Peter Baker and Susan Glasser: The Donald Trump White House Years
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- From its chaotic beginning to the violent finale, the Trump presidency was filled with moments ranging from the unthinkable to the deadly serious. That has continued until these past several weeks, and the man at the center of all of this could announce he is running for president again. That makes understanding his presidency even more important today.
Veteran journalists Peter Baker and Susan Glasser chart the ambitious and lasting history of the Trump presidency, drawing on unprecedented access to key players from President Trump himself to cabinet officers, military generals, and more. Based on these exclusive interviews, Baker and Glasser reveal moments both tense and comical, from how close the United States got to nuclear war with North Korea to whether Trump asked Japan’s prime minister to nominate him for a Nobel Prize. They also explore the moral choices confronting those around Trump-how they justified working for him and where they drew their lines.
Join us as Peter Baker and Susan Glasser return to the Club to discuss Donald Trump's presidency and what a second term could mean for the country.
Baker and Glasser photography by Doug Mills.
September 20, 2020
Speakers
Peter Baker
Chief White House Correspondent, The New York Times; Co-author, The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021; Twitter @peterbakernyt
Susan Glasser
Staff Writer, The New Yorker; Co-author, The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021; Twitter @sbg1
In Conversation with Adam Lashinsky
Journalist; Author; Twitter @adamlashinsky
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All I want for Xmas is the Trump's behind bars for 20+ years period
The Republicans are already getting ready.
'Well the Constitution doesn't say the president has to be a free man, so it's okay for him to be president in prison! We can just make the cabinet meetings on Tuesdays. That's visiting day!'
And a GOP minority in both sides of Congress
You HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!
Oddly that is on my Christmas list!
It will never happen. Too many wealthy donors give to the Trumps.
WOW!!!!! I'm so glad I'm not the only one who figured out about Donald trump!!! (Just wish people that I know personally would know this !!). Thank you "Commonwealth Club of California!
The symbol of the Republican party should no longer be an elephant. Instead a wrinkled boiled frog should be the new symbol.
Thank you Susan for not pushing both sideism
My mother was a narcissist and divided family members behind the scenes just like the person this book is about. I actually learned a lot about my own family just by watching those 4 years of the last President play out
It's been an education worth a degree, hasn't it?
Hell of a good job, Joe.
Here is the only way this era ends,to vote every republican out everywhere always forevermore
Whoa … i loathe Trump and have only ever voted Democrat but Its really narrow minded to discount the entire republican party. I live in Texas and both of my parents have always voted Republican until the last election. I was very proud of them for being open and balances enough to vote for Biden despite them never having voted for a Democrat but I understand that this does not mean they always will. Surprisingly the majority of Texans are actually quite rational despite the current morons running our state. Not all republicans act like Trump or Cruz There are still decent, fair and balanced republicans left. Debate and discourse leads to compromise and growth and we cant legislate fairly without both sides being represented. This is foundational to why our democracy works so don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
You sound like a leftist Trump version.
I absolutely enjoyed this very informative conversation! I just wish the whole United States would be forced to sit and listen!
To get a grasp of the depth of chaos in the Trump administration you must read the book, /Divider/. Very complex. and scary.
31:30 criminal investigations should make you INELIGIBLE to run for office (and especially hold any office, elected or appointed). Running for office shouldn't give you protections from any Criminal or civil investigations.
Exactly, it should be law any person who runs for political office be vetted! These are incredible positions of power, and it is impossible for the general public to know the history of those running for office. This must change so we can avoid the nightmare we continue to go through thanks to TRump and his minions.
That seems very misguided. What about the presumption of innocence?
Need a conviction first or for voters to vote against him,
9:35 he treated the Presidency like his family business: no board, no shareholders, no accountability and to make everyone carry out his personal orders to achieve his personal goals; weaponizing the DoJ to go after perceived enemies, pardoning those who did crimes for him, etc
Yeah how many arrests and investigations did tyrant dictator order after the #bunkerbaby White House arsonfest?
Oh
Thanks for helping America heal !
I have not finished reading their book /Divider/. So far it explores the terrible cancer in Trump's administration, chaos.
Jeezus - these authors are describing a sociopath.
Listening to their book - mind boggling and very informative.
Oh no. You have to read their book /Divide/ to get a real idea of how dysfunction the Trump adminstration was.
I can't wait til when someone says trump & everyone's thinking about a card game & not the bankrupt game show host.
Never happen
@@louisesmalling Yup, ex45 wrecked the word.
It's not over folks.
No, Sadly, it's NOT OVER. We have millions of delusional Americans who are MADLY IN LOVE with Donald Trump,. a known sociopath and criminal. Trump belongs in JAIL.
Fantastic interview. Thank you Susan and Peter.
Why am I NOT surprised? Trump did ALL in his power to destroy America. He's a TRAITOR!
Agreed, very good discussion by both Susan and Peter. The most shocking and concerning comment was that even intelligent republicans like James Baker voted for Chump in both 2016 and 2020. Party over country, party over personal values and personal morality. This is despite the fact that Baker and intelligent republicans clearly know what a criminal and incompetent that Chump is. Bill Barr said the same as James Baker. This seriously calls into question the character and honesty of intelligent republicans like Baker, Barr, and many others. There are plenty of intelligent republicans such as George Will, Bill Crystal, Michael Steele, and others who left the republican party because of Chump. Thus demonstrating a degree of honesty, integrity, country over party, morality, and personal values. What is so concerning is that far to many other republicans like Baker, Barr, and others are so partisan that they are willing to ignore their intelligence, so called values, and personal morality in order to continue to support a danger to the country and the world like Chump.
So glad I finally found enough time to listen to this extraordinary story about how they were able to write this book.
You need to read their book /Divider/. It is very complex and you probably need to have a college education.
you make me think of that famous white house photo of speaker pelosi confronting trump from across the table. seated next to trump is gen. milley looking down and clenching his hands and appearing to be extremely upset and maybe to the the only trump person in the room to have a conscience.
Ann sans E: The total absence of punctuation means that the meaning of your message, is completely lost.
@@frankdsouza2425 no caps and i dropped the word "be." but it looks like 20 some other people understood.
@@frankdsouza2425
Re-read and you will find three periods.
Here’s your Kewpie doll, Frank.
(And do have a look at that photo. The look on Donald’s face is priceless.)
Millley is thinking about a hammer contest with Pelosi's stylist.
@@1247.cccccc triggered! HAH!
Thank you so much Susan Glasser and Peter Baker of the New York times for your service! This is a very important book! I suggest we put it in the #newnationalcurriculum, along with documentaries about jonestown and cult of personality!
And Howard zinn's peoples history of the United states
....he did not know,
The meaning of 'apprenticeship' 😅
I wonder if Italy found Mussolini this amusing? (Like, until they hung him up by his heels.)
Most Italians became "true belivers" when the trains ran on-time & prosperity was restored.
Excellent show, very informative
Trump still doesn't deserve all this attention. He hasn't changed in 40 years.
His whole existence including his presidency has been vicious psychological abuse.
Perhaps since age 2-3.
Enjoyed this talk very much.
However, it is helpful to include the personality disorders that are associated to Trump and drive him.
NPD, anti-social personality disorder and sociopathy. There are more!
The Dark Triad is eminently present. Cluster B infested character. In my opinion.
Yes, but that is no excuse for his
criminal behavior.
@@annebalderston2520 With you on this, don't give him an excuse, ho knew damn well what he was doing.
@@annebalderston2520 Antisocial Personality Disorder IS the Criminal Mind. Within APD is both Psychopathy (biological) and Sociopathy (made). It’s Nature vs. Nurture, though Psychopaths are found to poorly nurtured as well. The first 5 years of a child’s life are the critical years when one’s foundational Personality is laid. Without early intervention, the abused become abusers, and it’s extremely difficult, if not impossible, to change one’s Personality later in life.
The worst crime in the world is child abuse and neglect, for it leads to other bad behavior, criminal behavior. Raise healthy, happy children with love and discipline, backed with love, and in doing so, we could virtually clean out our prisons, saving taxpayers billions every year.
I clocked Trump at 36 out of a max of 40 on the Hare PCL-R, the Psychopathic Checklist Revised. It is the gold standard toll Used internationally in the assessment of Psychopathy. It’s a list of 20 Traits of a Psychopath. One need to score at least 30 to receive such a diagnosis from a Psychiatrist, and MRI brain scans are taken as well.
Yes, he also has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Paranoid Personality Disorder, in my opinion. Dark Traid, yes. That includes Psychopathy, Narcissistic PD, and Machiavellianism, the latter of which is not a clinical diagnosis…just a Control Freak, if you will. At the heart of all abuse is the absolute need to control. Above the law….the God Complex….”I alone can fix it.”
@@bliss4383 Thank you. So, 36/40, so: At least in theory, that implies that we could actually do WORSE than TFG Agent Orange?? SCARY!! Let's remember all this and VOTE!!
I feel some sanity returning to my brain listening to this interview, especially the last part regarding equivalency.
Thanks you for an interesting and informative interview 👍Cape Town South Africa
Good conversational interview, the only surprising thing I learned, was that I wasn’t surprised…
When I started reading their book, I was more horrified by the path he was taking us.
The Gonif-in-chief is well described in the book‼️
Excellent conversation, Thank you!
Fantastic and scary book.
It's been said that Putin also can identify a weakness and exploit it.
Dictators are cut from the same cloth.
Insightful and professional. Will share for sure. Look forward to reading their book.
Please don't get it twisted!!!! Please don't give him the credit of having skills to find or test
the weakness of others or situations. He was schooled by his relationship with his father.
That's what his father did with his family! Strong men issues equal "Daddy issues, plain and simple!!!" And the end of #45 watch the "Omen Trilogy!"
Well… Roy Cohn was a huge influence, though didn’t daddy introduce them? He remained the template for what trump lawyers should be, unless they are gorgeous women or appear well on TV.
This is terrifying.
"This is work!"
"I don't like work!"
(Trump, in the beginning.)
Hint! Hint! Hint!
I have been watching your Interviews. Thank you!
Great program very informative discussion.
Can we just be United in our division?
Fantastic interview! Book sounds very interesting!
These two superb journalists are fascinating and so accomplished. Superb reporting. Note to host - you should have put Susan, not Peter, in side view. Very unflattering shot of her, filmed head on.
Very interesting and informative interview. Thank you.
What this reminds me of is the Simpsons episode where the family visits Australia where they discover that the US embassy there has a special toilet designed to flush the American (northern hemisphere) way despite being in the southern hemisphere. The toilet is barely recognisable because it is surrounded by so much technology.
And so it was with Trump. The surrounding technology to filter his interactions consisted of the entire staff of the WH working hard to contain him and prevent him de-railing anything important. Like a 3-year-old emperor whose every word must be obeyed simply because he is the emperor, but all kinds of creativity is used to forestall consequent disasters.
The idea of having a person so debilitated by his own ego and ignorance and unwillingness to listen, in a position where he has control of a nuclear arsenal, is frightening. We recognise that with Putin at the moment, and it makes people very uneasy to see the old fears of the Cold War era flooding back. But in the previous presidential term that is exactly the existential dilemma we were in with Trump because it did not take much of a sleight to set him off leading to outbursts he was unable or unwilling to control.
We are still handling this mental illness as normal but it is far from it . When you use stable genius as a front for this illness you are side stepping the real issue of mental health .
Over and Out ! Peace on Earth !
If one accepts that the primary motivation in life is to seek advantage, advance the genes, and stay alive then narcissism is a developed skill. Just not one others like. In a free society it is useful. In a very real, basic, sense almost all (if not all) humans have mentalities which could be called an illness. I am a devout liberal who tries to expand my awareness of others as well as myself.
It all boils down to his Malignant Narcissism!
Thank you.
I just listened to the story about their invite to dinner and what that entailed. What a sad man and a sad life.
Excellent!!
Fantastic job guys … its so important that these situations are well documented and available and you all have done our country a great service by working so hard to ensure this type of information is available in the future. I am a bit disappointed about the tax bill :( i think “The cut cut cut bill” might have been the best decision he would have made as president, he should have kept the name.
Book is excellent. We will need decades to recover from that maniac’s administration. Without hyperbole, hopefully the republic survives.
Trump and Putin went on a romantic horse ride together❤
Homophobe!
No doubt a fair analysis.
DJT is happy as long as he’s being noticed. When he decides that he’s not being lauded it’s over. The only thing that matters is ME...".......................
"Meet John Doe"
(Gary Cooper and Barbara Stanwick)
Kind of like that...!
"We...", who love life, responsible liberty, accountability, no borders or boundaries, happiness, living the art of kindness; and, serving our "duty", to set loose, every deadly beast within us, to keep it thus...!...?
... (I.e., WW-2, Slavery, Ignorance, Fear...).
"We...", has no borders or boundaries...!...?
...Semper Fidelis...!!!!....
Yes true and nobody took him at his words must white Americans like a lot of what Trump said can you ever imagine of if he was PRESIDENT OBÀMA ? Saying and àcting out with no restrictions at all as if he was king I think the bad thing about our American voter are is there are many Americans who àll way wanted other Americans punishment so they said let loose let him give it to those other ones and that is not good for our country we got to think we're in this together as Americans start loving and not hating
wow that is scary at 22 minute mark.... you know...he could have done some good things with just a little bit of humility aand humanity and left a very diff legacy.
Of course he could have - whether you like him or not ( I don't) he has certain talents. I am an American citizen so when he became president - I certainly wanted him to succeed. Unfortunately he is bereft of those humanity or humility
@@pjpredhomme7699 Im native born 65 NY. Unfortunately I had many friends with small business's not paid and put out of business by him as well as family members thrown out in the streets with fred built trump towers. I was also born in coney island and saw the deliberate destruction of steeple chase and coney Island turned into a slum because of dear old dad. I was down and depressed . While i hoped for the best I knew he was just a mafiosa conman and would destroy our country. Even with that I still cant believe what he has done to America...because he's not a bright man...Just a ruthless idiot.
@@stephrainspirite9985 👍👍👍Keep talking about it, Steph- everyone needs to know who and what we're dealing with. Reminds me of when he built that freaking golf course in Scotland and messed up people's home water supply; I think they were farmers who had lived there for generations, not rich by any means. This is what these narcissistic autocrats do- build these imposing monuments to themselves, such as golf courses and huge buildings, regardless of the harm to others, and be proud of their "legacy." Actually, he seems to get oFff on screwing with people and screwing up their lives. In any event, screw you, TFG. You're more morally bankrupt than your airline, any of your failed businesses. Just admit that you're EVIL and WRONG, tell your violent minions to STAND DOWN, serve your time (I can't even count how many lifetimes that is at this point), let the Secret Service protect the world from YOU, and get a team of shrinks in there to straighten you OUT.
@@flash522gp I totally forgot how he screwed over those poor people in Scotland ! Im 65 from NYC and know many people hurt by him and his hateful father Fred! Ive been screaming this since the day he decided to run.
@@stephrainspirite9985 PS I believe this is an important story, Steph- are you thinking of writing a book?
Power Couple! ❤
I respectfully disagree with Ms. Glasser: being able to identify people’s weakness and manipulate or exploit them is NOT a gift. It’s a weapon and immoral
A gift isn’t necessarily a benefit.
It's real basic survival and what 45 was taught to develop. It seems he honed it into a real skill.
@@rainmanjr2007 We no longer live in an age where survival of the fittest is a reality. Darwin made competition good, when in fact co-operation is how human beings do well. Darwin believed that we were descended from apes, but history is proving that was complete BS. We are conscious animals are not, and when we’ve gone from Earth they will remain here without our interference and love of killing.
Hi. PBS...
... "Half the Sky"
FET... In Part II.
Shared.
Great job 👍
Your loophole, through "their" front door, for comprehensive contingencies-management capabilities, bring true "active and passive civil defense" back on-line.... Huge possibilities!
Utterly delicious...
I think that it is important to understand the Trump administration from the point of view of all of history.not only the Obama administration. The roots go deep. Back to people's interpretation of the Revolutionary War and before; to the French Revolution.
Remember the entire voter file which was given to Cambridge Analytical which gave it to IR into St Petersburg . That file can tell you every thing at micro marketing levels to find R votes and D votes.
Donald got the bread and we got the circus clown who was clownish irreverent like we all want to be.
To really make a diff... Restore your true active and passive civil defense, for comprehensive contingencies-management capabilities...Huge Possibilities...! A loophole, through "their" front door.
tRump + Grifting equals today.
STOP APOLOGIZING FOR AMERICA'S GREATEST SHIESTER! PALEEEEZE!!!
Note: "active and passive civil defense are integral to national security [democratic] posture."
Versus: "hostage population."
Folks! To keep it from happening, again... Bring true active and passive civil defense back on line... for comprehensive contingencies-management capabilities... Huge possibilities!
Trump is Steve Martin in The Jerk
Peter Baker is adult Harry Potter
Trump doesn't give orders, he avoids blame setting on his shoulders at all cost. 😒
Project s: Voting, Infrastructure, Education...
With... Sub-Projects...
... Missions:...
(Who, what, when, where, which, why, how)
DES -SSS... Matrix NGO...!!!...???
Disaster and Emergency Services (gov.)...
..."Support, Systems, and Services" (NGO Operations)
While working with the other NGO Sections.
(Admin, Personnel, Operations, Projects, Tech, Finance, Memberships...)
All, are born "members"... of true "civil defense."
Thusly, your loophole, through "their" front door.
On any issue!
All the way to NORAD!
(Triple S..? To give "Ss" a better reputation. Lol.)
To mitigate, prep, respond, recover.
To "muster", again, from a device, to manage crucial issues.
Through our very own CCMC, behind a Desktop Icon.
Thusly, "active and passive civil defense are integral to national security [democratic] posture."
Semper Fidelis...!
Standing by...!
Donald "Dunning Kruger" Trump
Interesting interview, but nothing surprising in the author's findings.
To which they themselves admitted when asked what would the answer be to those who would accuse them of withholding information they had acquired.
He is a cardboard cutout. His public persona is what he needs it to be at any given moment.
👏
6:40- how much the military considered trppp the greatest threat to national security.
I think 45 likes strong men because they are the only people who can mock him. Maybe he enjoys the friendly joke (friendly because all of them have exactly the same ego)? That makes sense to me. For a CEO, everyone below that office is a peon and one needs to elevate themselves in order to remain a Dictator.
a rich guy with a circus barker ala Elmer Gantry with a power and mentality of a dictator--beneficial to the upper crust--i never
had an affinity for a guy baiting and switching and being a complete bore.....
Sounds, to be "Valkyrie".. 2016...
In reverse...?...
Note:. Find the interview, when Ivanka said, Daddy read [Hitler's Bio book], to her, as a bedtime story... During first campaign.
Duh...!!!!!!
And note, the movie, "The Odessa." ...? (w/ Jon V.)
I don't have a lot of money but would contribute. Their is no icon to make the one time small donation with my Google play $.
There are so so many parallels between Trump and Hitler
Interesting, to Susan Glasser the only thing Trump could do is to exploit the weakness of people. Then when asked why so many people still voted for Trump, Peter answered with a literary of things the voters liked about his presidency. These two versions of the story about Trump seem quite contradictory. It would be much more productive probably to look at the angle how Trump has been able to accomplish those things, instead of just focusing on his flaws or personal dislikes.
Do you think FLYNN should be returned to active military duty and court martialed for TREASON?
Court martialed !
It’s not right v left, but wealthy v everyone else. Legislators used trump to advance a hefty tax cut while many Americans suffer:(
best american president?.....FDR......worse american president?....DJT
Sure he needs attention and applause every night, because where his soul should be, there is a big black gaining hole, which he would have to feel if he were alone without attention. Really a pitiful person.
We sort of know how vulgar the ex-prez is, but you two know more. So, seriously: I have a home in London and one in the US. Should I move if he wins in 2024?
January 6 > 911
My favorite was when a President was slandered as 'racist white nationalist' over this-
"you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.. and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the White nationalists, because they should be condemned totally -"
No, this is false. You're shoving two different quotes together.
@@robk8463 same quote fool
@@russellm2555 Two different consecutive quotes. Fool.
Someone ask the "oh so unbiased" interviewer for an example of Hillary Clinton "whining" about losing the 2016 election to Trump/Putin.
Focusing more attention on what annoys or aggravates us is a pretty common human trait. Lib's are doing it with 45 but have the advantage of actual crimes to point out. There's nothing new about such personalities, we've had many (Carnegie ring a bell?), but they seem new and take time to unravel.
Excuse me, but are you even suggesting that faux Republicans are not empowering this documented corrupt, immoral criminal ?
@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 We all empower him through the constant attention MSM pays him. Dems (Dems, women in particular since they are now most of the MSM) are enjoying every moment, as well. I'd say that, so far, he's winning and, if he dies before jail, he does win. Just a suggestion, here, but women should drop the "excuse me" before a comment. Just make your comment without worry of butting in.
Does the beautiful message of love proclaimed by Jesus Christ still guide his followers to the path of harmony & safety? If so, why did millions of Evangelical Christians in 2016 & 2020 allow a wolf to become shepherd of the flock & to surrender the fate of American people to the mercy of the malicious?
These two corporate goons are why the orange monster came to power
Ya lost me. They got the truth out.
Free to speak his mind now that he was no longer in Trump’s employ, on January 7, Bill Barr issued a public statement directly condemning his former boss. “Orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable. The president’s conduct yesterday was a betrayal of his office and supporters,” Barr said. In her resignation letter to Trump, DeVos wrote, “We should be highlighting and celebrating your Administration’s many accomplishments on behalf of the American people. Instead, we are left to clean up the mess caused by a violent mob at the Capitol in an attempt to undermine the people’s business. That behavior was unconscionable for our country. There is no mistaking the impact your rhetoric had on the situation, and it is the inflection point for me.” Former White House chief of staff, retired Marine Gen. John Kelly, said, "President Trump is the most flawed person I've ever known. The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it's more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life," Gary Cohn, Trump's chief economic advisor, said, "It's worse than you can imagine. An idiot surrounded by clowns. Trump won't read anything--not one-page memos, not the brief policy papers; nothing. He gets up halfway through meetings with world leaders because he is bored. And his staff is no better. Kushner is an entitled baby who knows nothing. Bannon is an arrogant prick who thinks he's smarter than he is. Trump is less a person than a collection of terrible traits. No one will survive the first year but his family. I hate the work, but feel I need to stay because I'm the only person there with a clue what he's doing. The reason so few jobs have been filled is that they only accept people who pass ridiculous purity tests, even for midlevel policy-making jobs where the people will never see the light of day. I am in a constant state of shock and horror." Steve Bannon told Michael Wolff, "I cannot tell you how many times Trump has looked me straight in the eye and lied to me." If you like, I can quote General McMasters, John Bolton, General Mattis, and General Milley.
Thanks for this excellent commentary and critique. As a gentle suggestion for personal and moral concern is that you have been using your birth names . To make your hard and important books as you might write in the future,you might want to use one name,and hopefully the husbands name . I never ever heard ,in all the years that Nancy Pelosi was in public life, was her fathers birth name mentioned . She obviously took vows of marriage before God and human beings, that they were bound in flesh till death would they part. Therefore when the mother of Their children became a public figure,she keeps her beloveds name.
The most important part of this book to me was your very first few first sentences. The general who was in top place said to Trump you are going against the constitution but I am going to stay and fight! I believe if you look back before Trump was a twinkle in anyones angry eye, Nancy Pelosi never moved from the constitution and never moved from her divine line to God.
By the way, “ The Commonwealth Club”. Which as far as I know I don’t belong to, has “Nancy Pelosi “ as the name across the screen BEFORE “The Commonwealth Wealth Club”…
The authors names are irrelevant to the content of the book, and your religious opinion of the choice of names is irrelevant. PERIOD.
Approach this, carefully
Note: private parties with back rooms, for politicians (i.e., add Epstein)...
Basic blackmail: Find the fetish, feed it, film it, force compliance!
Did you have a stroke?
Peter Baker and Susan Glasser, New York Times's favorite normalizers of Donald Trump, Peter Baker most of all? No, thanks And now they've done a complete 180 and are profiting from detailing Trump's many crimes and insults, after soft peddling them for 4 years. No thanks.
I can't count how many times I was frustrated at Peter Baker's soft language and almost excusing Trump's behavior and statements day after day after day. After a couple of years I had to mute him when he was on TV.
🤬🤮
Someone should ask the supremely unbiased interviewer for an example of Hillary Clinton "whining" about losing the election.
You aren't serious? That is so funny!