Ex-Muslim Drops Hammer on Reza Aslan, Conservatives, Liberals
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Sarah is a reminder that the Islamic veil is not just about covering up women's faces but their intellects also. Amazing woman.
+Alex Smith Ah, that is an excellent point.
+rencrow Psychological oppression is a thing.
+Alex Smith Excellent point: Within "traditional ways" of the Abrahamic religions, one of the first rules, written or understood, has always been to severely limit women's access to knowledge. I wonder why...
Peace Harmony Not just women. They certainly took advantage of people not being literate for much of the life of the religions.
Jeff C
That's true as well.
good on this lady for stepping out of the norm of her culture...i wish her well..
i do too.
I'd do her too!
it makes it easier because she is culturally American, she was raised in America. Her family came here from Pakistan when she was very young. (8 years, I believe she's said.)
Justin Ashman even still it must have been hard for her to come out and publicly declare what she has! And Risk the abandonment of her community and family!
Jamie Grieve as you all perverted whatever the messiah or Moses came with.
I admire this young lady for her guts !!!
My favourite is her spleen.
Please please all progressives listen to Sara! We should all be supporting her organization, Ex Muslims of N. America. It's not wrong to criticize the terrible ideas and values of Islam, it's our calling in fact, and it's the compassionate thing to do for the sake of the people of Islam
Again no going to war, there has never been anything or one worth (except me, maybe) fighting a war for, this I feel deeply. No to war.
Judaism is worse they hide their hate from view
Ex Muslim of a country that funded and trained extremist in her country of origin
"It's not wrong" , no , it is REQUIRED to FIGHT religion in order to be progressive , any tolerant towards religion should be unaccepted .
I agree. I have the utmost respect for Atheists in Muslim countries.
Considering the kind of danger she puts herself in by being so vocal against Islamic ideology, she's the embodiment of the word "heroic", in my opinion.
She's kinda cute
+Bad MF KINDA? Get the fuck out.
+RpgDestiny why are you so angry
Joziah Montalvo Is English your second language?
+RpgDestiny yes kinda, shes not 10/10.. get real idiot..
FroztDrake Don't be mad just because you don't even rate on the scale, bitch.
David, this channel is one of the few bastions of reason left in my opinion, and your position on this issue is the main reason for that. The feeling of abandonment is all too real, although it feels surreal. To see people with whom you agree on nearly everything, somehow pull the wool over their eyes the moment Islam is criticized is both baffling and quite depressing. But.. there are glimmers of hope, and one is here, and I suppose all we can do now is continue to spread the truth, and relentlessly hope that people start walking up.
Undoomed, Sargon of Akkad, Atheism-is-Unstoppable-4, Rubin Report. Check here.
+Daniel Korolev He said he was looking for bastions of reason on the left. Most of those channels don't meet both criteria, let alone one.
Alex M The dude who hates on liberals with every episode of his show?
+Rob McCune He doesn't hate on liberals. He defends liberal values. He criticises liberals who don't defend liberal values in order for them to be politically correct. In other words, he just doesn't like double standards.
Raphanne Defending liberal values is attacking liberals constantly. War is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength.
i am an ex muslim and while you are muslm, it is very difficult to see the odd parts of the religion. sometimes you notice it, but then you remember hell fire and you try to justify those things in your mind one way or another. and if someone criticises it, you feel some sense of duty to defend it. it is very blinding.
great explanation, and that is exactly how religion works in general, It's like you are being treated like a child when parents used to scare their children with "boogey man"
My friend tell me. Please . What are the odd parts.????
@@adithyavarma.k6920 saying homosexuality is an abomination. Why would someone choose to be gay if they could live an easy life being straight?
@@idreessaleem4722 brother I was addressing the ex muslim 's reply. To answer his misconceptions.
@Winston Grettum Don't think people need the bible to tell them that the dead do not feel pain. Since the brain is not working, they are not gonna receive any feeling of pain. It's a simple logic!!
it makes me glad that Dave is sensible about this issue. unfortunately the rest of tyt aren't, its pretty frustrating.
We are not part of tyt
+David Pakman Show oh, I thought you were apart of the tyt network along with secular talk.
+David Pakman Show Sweden is having trouble with regard to the formation of a 'rape culture' among their Muslim immigrants, based on the country's rape statistics. Yet when the Democratic politician, Michael Hess, pointed this statistic out, saying it was a function of how the Islamic religion views women, he was fined and put on probation for 'hate speech', those administering the punishment stating that what he said was not part of 'factual and responsible discussion' _regardless if it was true or not._ Apparently Muslims are higher up on the 'oppression hierarchy' than women are in Sweden.
+David Pakman Show Also there are tonnes of Pew Research and other poll statistics that paint a rather alarming picture of what Muslims believe:
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide
bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24%
overall).
*42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35%
overall).* [consider this in the context of the latest Paris attack]
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13%
overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25%
overall).
It would be better if we had similar western polls to compare to. I'm sure if you go out to backwoods Alabama, you'll find people that probably agree that we should detonate nuclear weapons in the middle east to kill ISIS.
+Joziah Montalvo There is absolutely no difference between what is described in this video, and the stance at TYT.
The ex muslims are heroes.They risk rheir lives,first by leaving islam,and even more so by goung public about it.We have to embrace them and protect them.
Thank you. I feel better knowing there are people like you. I hope you join our fight to make others realize it's not the people. It's islam itself
Anti-muslim bigotry/generalizing Muslims , puts Arab ex Muslims in danger because any ex Muslim can be mistaken to be a Muslim , why won’t you people understand that?
I am an ex Muslim too, turned atheists. There has to be an honest open discussion on the this faith as there should be and honest open discussion on any faith.
I agree wholeheartedly with Sarah. In UK where I live, a Muslim woman divorcing gets a fair deal under British Courts but she remains excommunicated and ostracised until she goes through a Sharia Court and abide with their unfair decisions.
Oh my gosh, I experience this every time I criticise extremist Islam. I don't criticise muslims, just the idea of Islam and the sexism and oppression that results from it. I've been shocked by how regressive the left has become. I consider myself to be somewhere between a socialist and a social democrat, so I'm probably as far left as an American is going to get. However, I no longer feel that I identify with the American left. We shouldn't tolerate sexism and oppression under the guise of inclusivity, and I find it shocking that these people actually attempt to justify such bigotry. I've lost faith in America's future. I expected this of the right, but it saddens me so much that it has become a regular part of the left. I really don't think there's any hope for the US, now that both sides have become so regressive.
I think 'bigoted' more accurately reflects the leftist reflex to automatically label, tar and feather anyone who critiques Islam. I think you all give yourselves latitude you won't give to differing views.
The explanation for the enlistment of the Left in the defence of Islam is what one might call the neo-Bolshevik bigotry of the lost believers of Marxism. Having lost everything-the working class, the Third World-the Left clings to this illusion: Islam, rebaptized as the religion of the poor, becomes the last utopia, replacing those of Communism and decolonization for disenchanted militants. The Muslim takes the place of the proletarian.
@Lena Bean But most liberals I've seen do and also in twitter or other social sites, the public speakers too. I used to identify as leftist. I don't anymore, because of that.
Their hypocrisy is unbearable!
@@user-mc6zk8tc8c Similar here. I've had to abandon issues that have been paramount all my life, with deep unease, since apparently in my home of Sweden you need to be a cultural relativist open border fanatic in order to take climate change really seriously and care for maintaining the Swedish model. Put aside that those are demonstratively incompatible as current affairs increasingly demonstrate.
Prominent voices of "the left" of the modern west care little about the aging native working class. It's a movement that cares to no small degree about putting those simpler people and their simpler thoughts in their place, with its disdain for the reprehensible straight white male (who like it or not founded all these progressive societies), its trigger warnings and grammar advice whenever arguments fail.
Wasn't it an adorable prank Dem Claire McCaskill pulled when she bucked up the "legitimate rape" GOP candidate to trick the base of her opposition out of a moderate alternative for the GE? Rachel loved that one. You'd think she would have had a sense of humor about some Russian confusion campaigns too?
Given that "Latino" can't be pronounced with English accent anymore, why don't members of the sensitivity-trained left pronounce Dem Congressman Cicelline [Chichelline] and GOP strategist Norquist with accurate Scandinavian pronunciation? I'll volunteer to teach both. Some animals more equal than others there, Melissa Perry?
I don't know.. I think you as a non-Muslim it would be better to tread very lightly. we do not know the history and nuance that led to where we all are now.
Is it weird that I feel relief that there's someone out there who has finally put in words what I've been feeling all along? I am getting so sick and tired being slammed down a bigot the moment I speak out anything mildly critical of Islam. and my heart goes out to this girl. Keep up the good fight! Don't back down on enlightening people!
Sarah Haider brilliant and beautiful as usual.
As a south asian (but not muslim, although I am familiar with the culture) woman, I am so glad to see her speaking out! It is not wrong to be critical of religion in general, and especially critical of Islam which seems to hold an appalling amount of fundamentalists.
The worst is when ignorant "liberal" white people call people like us Islamaphobic, despite the fact that I have nothing against muslims and do not think the muslim population should be blamed for terrorrist attacks and organizations. They don't realize that their fabricated ideas of political correctness DOES NOT and WILL NEVER trump the experiences of ex-muslims and any of those who have lived in and around Islamic culture and have seen the injustices committed all their lives.
It doesn't help that these apologists constantly try to conflate criticism of a barbaric Abrahamic religion with hatred for over a billion people.
r f Abraham barbarian death cults !
True
More importantly, intelligent.
Crikey, the least you could do is put Sarah's name in the title here eh? Why omit that?
Here, I'll help you out.
"Ex-Muslim Sarah Haider Drops Hammer on Reza Aslan, Conservatives, Liberals"
+Talladega Tom Probably best not to draw that much attention to her name...because...you know.
Seann Hould Pfft. Cower to woo woo much?
+Talladega Tom
In case you're not aware, ex-Muslims already receive too much of the wrong kind of attention because being an ex-Muslim carries more risks than being an ex-Christian.
No woo-woo involved.
TurboDally Think that through a bit Turbo.
She gets introduced in the video, is IN the video (as opposed to being anonymous), and is in no way someone who wishes to remain secret about her beliefs.
And rightly so imho.
She is an intelligent woman.
Is that little bit of attention more is going to make any kind of difference? Of course not.
Why should it anyway if not for the woo woo?
I's time to stop cowering from this shallow thought.
Stupid ideas like the one(s) you are eluding to are to be shown for what they are. Stupid.
End the woo woo.
+Talladega Tom Yes, that bothered me a bit when I saw the title too.
She's so beautiful :)
She's hot!
+Bruce Leeroy
Go watch some fucking porn.
.....because only porn actresses can be attractive?Or because he's not allowed to make the point at all? The Internet saddens me.
Courtney Valdez
Because I am annoyed by his comment.
Anything else?
+Titus Orelius for what reason would his comment annoy you? I agree she is pretty hot
+Moist Pandaa I think he is the guy who went off on a rant against women on a video about Trump supporters beating up black protesters the other day. There seem to be some issues with women with this guy.
I applaud this young woman, who was able to think clearly despite the brainwashing
she endured as a child. Would that more Muslims had this ability, but apparently this phenomenon is rare.
She may be the prettiest girl I have ever seen
Best looking women alive today. Smart too.
God she is hot
I totally agree. Every time I see her speak, I think that. Very beautiful woman.
Between you and I, I'd tap that but I wouldn't want my best friend to find out.
Coyote ugly is when you would rather gnaw your arm off at the shoulder than to waker her up.
derek..you show how SICK you are...clearly you are one very immature and `INADEQUATE wimp of a male
the problem is that most liberals I associate with (I am one myself) view winning against the American right and the western right in general more importantly than they view human rights in the middle east and Muslim world. I take David's stance. I have individual Muslim friends, and I am always the first one to push back on things like Trump's Muslims ban, because it's wrong and counter-productive, and I have read the Koran and understand there is a lot of context to some of the more troublesome teachings that often gets glossed over. but I can't even bring up the fact that something like a 1/3 of all Muslims believe apostasy should be punished by death. yes, 2/3's don't, but a 1/3 is a lot of people. And unfortunately, It seems like most liberals will not take any stance that puts them on the same side as people like Glenn Beck etc.
Sarah, I've selected you to join the list of people I most admire. They include Bertrand Russell; Darwin; T H Huxley; Mark Twain; Bach; Louis Armstrong; Richard Feynman - oh, and Sarah Silverman.
Wow, what an honor.
Now who the fuck are you?
i also want to call some names, the guy from Vendetta, ezio auditore, gaddafi, starlin, hitler, crowley..., gandalf, the guy with from movie mask... the spooky one that turns people into party monsters.. i want you to know that im serious about this.. as serious your comment looks to me..
Don’t put Mark Twain, Darwin, and Bach in the same category as Sarah Silverman you philistine.
Sarah Silverman supports pedophilia.
Mcderple Berry straight facts bro!!!!!
Obviously Sarah is racist against Islam...jk. She's beautiful and very intelligent. There is something to be said about how intelligent non-religious people tend to be. I'm not saying there isn't idiotic agnostic/atheists out there but there certainly are fewer.
+Raghnall MacPhadraig No, you're an idiot. Your post demonstrates it.
" Islam is the filth of the species and is about to be taken out...it would have been sooner but they have oil"
Islam/muslim isn't a "species", its a religion. And how did oil save Islam? Does it have magical powers that I'm not aware of?
and btw, I'm not black. but that is neither here or there
+matt w It seems to me that more and more people "on the fence" are realizing that too. Hence the atheist community is growing in the US.
+matt w you can not be racist against Islam as Islam is not a race.
you know you might be on to something
+matt w would that be that you are a bigot?
Just listening to her speak you can tell that this is an intelligent person. It doesn't surprise me that she thought critically about her beliefs and shed what didn't make sense. Great video.
Smart and Beautiful!
dumb and ugly ....you to
There are smart and beautiful orthodox Muslim women too but they choose to be the unsung heroes of history based on the Hadith that God love pious people living in anonymity.
David R. Yeah because she's an ex-muslim it automatically makes her Nicole Kidman XD
@@krabbykat9918 Because it takes strength and gutsy move and intelligence to leave an ideology that has been pushed by a family and the society around from the age a child start to have memory and start thinking. Why do you think all the religions flourished around the world? No bcz they found gods, only bcz they were taught, just like language. The mother tongue will aways be on their minds, like a religion that has been pushed inside their minds.
What you consider beauty is on the outside like you said Nicole kidman. Not everyone thinks the same as you.
@@user-ez6wr1cz5o I notice one real simple person on this site, and it's not her.
Sarah Hader is awesome. Thanks for haveing her on Dave.
Sarah Haider is obviously a smart, insightful young woman. What a great interview!
The #1 way believers become non believers, it's by actually reading their "holy books".
UncleAL it was the opposite for me.
all the support to this woman and people like her, it takes balls to leave that religion, we should have great respect for these people and protect them.
David thank you for having Sarah Haider on your show but as an older person all I can say to both of you is keep up the good work.
People like her are heroes, you have to look back decades or centuries to see people facing similar uphill battles for criticizing Christianity, yet regressive leftists are so bent on hating the west that they somehow see people like her not as heroes but instead as "uncle toms," as one piece of shit regressive called Maajid Nawaz. It's like the whole world has gone insane. One thing that reaaaally sticks out with the regressives, is that if you believe in the right things for the wrong reasons, then that's hardly better than believing the wrong things for the wrong reasons. You can't have the moral high ground without the intellectual high ground yet these idiots cede both and then have the nerve to condescend to the few sane, reasonable people left.
She's a doll. What a beauty.
Shes my fave
She is adorable. Those eyes are so soulful and pretty. She makes a great poster child for leaving backwards Islam. Intelligent, independent, articulate, and beautiful all at once.
I'm seeing more and more evidence for "Horseshoe theory" political spectrum. Her experience adds to that. (The far right and far left are much closer to each other than they are to the center)
is great to hear someone who is honest and with clean mind talking to the subject, also to willing to help others in the same case like her. good Job.
For all the Trumps and Cruzes (?) and Jerry Falwell Juniors and Sam Harrises and Osama Bin Lunkheads out there, all it takes is one person like this to restore my faith in Humanity.
+LTrotsky 21st Century Same here, then the Pakman comment section takes it away again.
Rob McCune You forgot to add, present comment excepted of course. ;)
LTrotsky 21st Century Very true.
+LTrotsky 21st Century She says the exact same things as Sam Harris. But I guess regressives only take brown skinned people seriously when it comes to criticizing Islam. You regressives are worse than right-wing conservatives.
Ryan E Really? Does she say we might have to use nuclear weapons on Mecca?
Sarah you have won hearts and minds. Never give up.
WoW! i had not heard of this intelligent young woman before! thank u. As a result i have been following her since less than a week ago . i listen to many debates on many issues and this is fresh , new welcoming side to the arguments.
Sarah is wonderful.
Religion is something personal... I am a Muslim and I am proud.... But the problem with most of the followers oof any religion today is that it is followed by most as a tradition. Every religion or belief is personal and before one claiming any belief shld investigate what he is following. Sarah Haider is an example of a person who found her way out of a certain belief to another belief that is closer and personal to her, this should be respected.
Rehman Bhatti I think the dirty little secret among the global religious community is that most have largely secularized themselves when it comes to how literally they follow their holy scriptures. Many who find themselves in a mosque, synagogue, or church leave religious services feeling that they’ve fulfilled a general spiritual obligation but don’t apply the actual scripture to their daily lives. Obviously, there are plenty of zealots who do apply literal interpretations to their lives and in the West we’ve mostly weeded them out of our political system and although our politicians still pay lip service to religious communities their policies are very much based on secular rationality. Like I said before, there are always outliers but we’ve come a long way from where we were. Unfortunately, there are still countries in the Middle East who haven’t had such luck.
Oh so u follow Muhammad a man who married a six year old. No matter how u slice it u praise a child rapist.
David did the bit by bit of Aslan's misleading arguments. Aslan could be good at something. Shame he is good at deception, really good.
Very very smart and well spoken. Kudos
She's great and very brave!
She is an exceptional human being for her immense courage plus simple modest level-headed thoughtful analysis. I love how her message is so powerful, while her manner is that of an adorable huggable rabbit who is slightly nerdy in the most positive way.
she is so god damn beautiful to her very core, radiant I believe is the word.
people like Sarah give me hope, hope there are people that can think for themselves in spite of coming from cultures steeped in ancient superstition
buddhism is the true religion,why i say this?because it is,it starts with human and ends for human,not for god or rny supernatural being.
I would marry this girl.
And there is one thing missing... That is Reza Aslan. How about you have them both online and debate?
+rencrow I have seen Reza debate, he sucks. He rarely answers questions directly and downplays the rigid view of the Quran that most Islamic schools have.
+rencrow LOL . I do not think that Reza have the balls to face her in an honest debate .
+rencrow according to Aslan, scripture does not influence people at all, it is ALWAYS AND ONLY the other way around.
it should take one only a moment to think of cases that disprove his statement.
Sarah Halder, you are a brave young woman to express your apostate revelation openly. Thank you for sharing your story and insightful opinions. I commend you for your courage and devotion. Your voice is liberating and empowering to others who might be considering to leave islam. Your message is on point and powerful.
Good job David and Sarah!
Sarah is so cute. Am i even allowed to say that anymore lol
I want to see a conversation between Sarah Haider and Reza Aslan
I love my ex Muslim Pakistani. She's been Atheist for about a year now. It's hard for me being a Westerner seeing the effects Islam had on her. It's made her afraid of so many things. We plan to marry soon, but her parents still believe she's Muslim... Which is unfortunate, but thankfully, her family aren't extreme with their beliefs.
Dave, thanks for introducing me to Sarah Haider. Smart, articulate, reasoned, and attractive to boot! I hope she (and you) will continue to be active social educators for many, many years to come.
What a wonderful interview with a truly interesting person.
it's just soooooo nice to hear two inteliegent people talking to each other in a respectful and competent way...... thank you!
Sarah Haider is a smart and brave young lady. Love hearing her perspective. We need to hear from others like her.
I love this chick. You should interview Gad Saad
Her liberal Muslim parents chose to reside in Texas of all places, where both those words are anathema
It sounds like you have never been to Texas.
she is so beautiful mentally and physically! she should never HAVE to cover herself or suppress her thoughts
Great interview!
Can you name any liberal that is against criticizing Sharia Law?
+Jesse Daniel why not reject all of it?
+Jesse Daniel Unless Mohammed was prophesying 24 hours a day all his life, he was just a normal man who, most of his life, did normal things for that age and location. So the extra-quranic narrative, explanations, biography and apologia are irrelevant to the supposed words of allah. Unless muslims think that Mohammed was god incarnate; that is the only trick that allows for a 'prophet' to have his personal actions and views to be considered as coming directly from god/the divine.
If one is to believe any of that superstitious dogma.
+JE Hoyes warfare and pillaging caravans was normal life for a bandit.
As a former Muslim myself, neither Sara Haider or Reza Aslan speaks for me. Coming from a liberal family myself, my dad encouraged us to attend uni and work, didn’t like the idea of arranged marriage and even dropped me to my first dance at school when I was 12 years old. However there were sides of my family who were more strict and sides which were even more liberal..ones that would make liberals in the West look conservative!
The reason she doesn’t represent me is that she completely negates the vital role of US/UK foreign policy on radicalisation.
Read Mark Curtis and his book on the role of Britain in Islamic radicalisation across the globe. Keep in mind that Hizbut Tahrir, the extremist organisation that radicalised Nawaz, got over £100k from the British government.
Did I miss something? they didn't critique a single item which Rezza said..yeah fuck substance.. !
+Roger Black Go to Rubin Reports .
Had pakistan left Islam like her, they would have been in a better, safe and sound place.
India? a hindu extremist infested hell hole. Better to have remained under the rule of her majesty, the queen.
Fact is that women have a harder time over there
*in India
Still waiting on the hammer to drop when the video ended...
Cartoon eyes.
+Nunyo bis Smart, beautiful and extremely brave. I greatly admire her.
+Rand Central Station : How else could she make a living? Poor girl.
+amjad ali she is a hard worker...she can have good job with good hope...
MsArzoo1 agree with u....these Muslims are against with everyone
***** u are jealous... U are ugly...
I am a muslim, and I wonder......
1. If she (and even David) understand what shariah law is, forget about knowing, I wonder if they even had a book on shariah law (bcoz its not about cutting people's hands when caught for stealing or stoning when caught for illegal sexual intercourse, its primarily about giving citizens their equal rights, be it men or women ).
2. If she ever questioned that even when Quran talks about husband disciplining their wives, the prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) has never beaten, slapped or even inflicted any sort of pain to his wives ? Because its weird, when the the person who was thought to have receive the revelation himself never even practice it.
3. If she even know what 'disciplining their wives' meant ? Its not whenever the husband feels his wife has done wrong he resorted to beating, you have to go through several stages, the beating is a last resort. But even then the prophet didn't pratice and muslims aren't encouraged to. Even then the beating has to fulfill several things namely, mustn't be on the face, must not leave marks etc.
4. Why does she started reading the Quran critically after moving to USA, why doesn't she start reading it earlier? I mean, the Quran is not simply there for you to just read and earn blessings, it tells you dozens of time to reflect, to ponder, and to think.
5. If she ever contacted as many Muslim scholars to clarify her questions as she does in contacting as many atheists to ask them questions.
5. Why does she think it is liberal when you can move to college? Can't she see there are millions of female muslims studying in colleges and universities, and that there are more Muslim females in higher institutions in many of Muslim majority countries as compared to males? Where does it say in Islam that females are not allowed to go study far away from their homes? Just because there are muslims who don't allow their daughter to study far away, does that mean Islam prescribe that teaching?
The final one......I wonder if one day, all of her misconceptions are answered, will she become a Muslim again? or will she find one way or another to argue, to spin or to interpret what Islam tells her to do, even though they might not be logical, just to fulfill her desires.......may God show us the way
Iman Danial she will find an excuse to stay atheist and I believe it's best for her- she'll spread her cancer everywhere (though it's God's will so whatever)
I disagree that nuanced views only attract criticism from both sides and does little to change minds. In my own left wing situation, I now take a much more open view after watching David, Hitchens, Harris, etc., and also Sam Seder and other liberals knee jerkers with whom I often agree. Aslan is probably a large part of my more critical views as well after Pakman and Rationality Rules breakdown of his debate style and the fallacies he resorts to as well as his out right lies. So, I guess what I mean is, chin up, your work makes a difference.
THIS sort of awakening MUST happen a LOT more or there will be a major clash with Islam!!!!!!!!! There can not be any other conclusion.
Sarah Haider is great, thanks for this interview DP.
One of the greatest points she makes is that people often listen to what they want to hear, and turn a deaf ear to what they don't want to hear or they attack it. That is the appeal of FOX News and Rush Limbaugh and Trump...they articulate what their audience or supporters wish was true and what they want to believe. And, of course, they are very dismissive of facts or evidence that is uncomfortable or inconvenient.
great video, Sarah
allah saghir (god is small)
She's beautiful, and I wish I could marry her. I hate being so lonely.
Yep. That's the hardest I've ever cringed.
+THEDOWDALLMAN Why don't you walk a mile in my shoes? My parents and only sister died a few years ago. I only go outside to work, no one talks to me anymore since I didn't socialize with my friends and family, and I've battled with depression and thought I had a tumor on my brain, which turned out to be something less worse. Honestly, if I died...no one would even notice, until it came the first of the month for rent.
+xbradx11 Man I'm really sorry to hear about that. I honestly think you should try to contact some Profesional who can help give you comfort and perspective. I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. Life is challenging and for some people more than others, but there are always ways to make living feel rewarding rather than burdensome. Take care man
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u should seriously consider some weight loss! sarcasm.
i sent the show a message asking if you had interviewed any ex-muslims from the group you mentioned. i am happy to see that you did. i love this woman. she is insightful, open , honest. i should have known TDPS would be on top of this!!
i love the way Dave deconstructs an argument and then carefully exammines all those bits before pulling the argument back together again.
She's so beautiful
Its Not Adultery if You Have Sex With Your SexSlaves - Reza Aslan
well well, thats a good part. i have no answer to it. its rly provoking bt im sure hellfire has enough space for those who act wrong with their rights.. that my answer, i belive and ye maybe will be rdy to teach you all one day.
Big thank you to dave for that, and to Sarah Haider.
You know what shits me the most about this issue? People like my strict muslim parents demand for their religion to be respected here in Australia, yet they feel they're entitled to criticise and judge everyone who isn't muslim. It's so fucking hypocritical and honestly makes me sick to my stomach. I hope that one day I can come out as an atheist to them and start living my life as the person that I actually am.
this girl is so pretty it's distracting.
Can I marry you Sara?
+WiseSloth ForBernieSanders : You would be her ideal partner. Best wishes to both of you.
+WiseSloth ForBernieSanders not if you can't spell her name properly ;p
+liberty indeed You cannot know that ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Mobin if u marry agian she will b Muslim u will apply sharia law
Thousands upon thousands of women are oppressed from clear thought , thinking for themselves , in between the fear of beatings , honor killings.....
As a Muslim American convert, I have to say I appreciate your nuanced discussion. It is not a simple discussion. Keep it up. I may not agree personally with everything you believe, but this kind of dialogue is what fights polarization and extremism on both ends.
a Muslim out of Islam is not a Muslim
That's why there is an "Ex-" prefix in front of it.
Michael Robles well, no shit?
Sympathy a Mexican that was raised in the US is an American, an African grown in Argentina is an Argentinian... identity is constructed through the environment.
Sympathy if you are raised in a specific culture you are going to have that culture's worldview
Sympathy I know it is quite sad I have to say it. But a Muslim in US is not the same than a Muslim in Argentina or a Muslim in Singapore. So people should understand it as a personal experience, and not draw general conclusions to encompass all Muslims.
Even though I live in the UK, I am still in the closet about leaving Islam because I am afraid I will lose my family.
you are an inspiration to women in the muslim community.
What an incredibly beautiful girl. Her eyes are burning with intelligence.
she should not worry at all. She has the support of 1.25 billion Hindus. After all her original identity was Hindu. Her family like most others in south Asia were converted by sword by Muslim invaders.
so, Sarah - welcome home☺🙏🙋👍
Venkat Krishnan umm...what? Honestly you and her belong together XD please keep her.
Okay, serious question, can people disagree with David and Sarah on this subject WITHOUT either of them crying about being called an Islamophobe or Zionist? It's such a straw man to say all of your opponents are mischaracterizing and insulting you. There are REAL disagreements in this debate and YOU TWO are ignoring the issues--the issues of geopolitics and regional stability and the degree to which those cause radicalism and acts of desperation rather than a book that most of them can't read or haven't read.
It's immoral and inhumane to look past the injustices people in that part of the world suffer and say, "What a minute, what religion do you practice? I think there are issues with your religion." The type of suffering people in that part of the world endure would make any of us a maniac, a radical, an extremist that clings to culture and homeland because their family and their land and their belongings were all lost forever. The damage that our bombs inflict is multi-generational. But wait, let's have more discussion and talk about poll results rather than try to stop the rollercoaster of complete instability that our nation had a role in setting up.
But you did just mischaracterize their views. They don't say that our bombs are a good thing. They have never said that there aren't situations in which geopolitics play a huge factor in extremism. It is also not at all an odd question to learn about the religion of people in these situations. If you spent some time learning about the contents of the Quran and Hadith you might notice that parts of both are literally a manual for martyrdom and in-group out-group behavior. We don't get suicide bombings committed by Jains and that's because the core ideas of Jainism are nonviolence. When you think that a martyrs death ensures you a place in heaven (higher than you would get otherwise) and also that all of the infidels you take with you to the death are saved from their unrighteous lives, it is no wonder that you might blow yourself up near as many non-Muslim people as possible. The Quran is being used to convince people of exactly that. Not nearly all Muslims, but it is happening.
amazing break down of the arguments. .just cos she is ex muslim doesn't give her the platform to speak you earn it..i watched the video and they didn't point out one fact of Rezza which was wrong..
Lodurr presents another idiotic pseudo-intellectual blame the west rationale.
The Turks ran most of the Mideast since the 15th century all the way to the end of WW 1, and they are Muslims too
All "liberals" do not think alike just as all "conservatives" do not think alike.
She is not only intelligent and well-spoken, but pretty.
She's so cute hnnngggg
there is nothing new or any stronger reasons than other available thousand anti-Islamic criticisms all around the world in different medias. this whole interview doesnt show a single point that can strengthen any anti-Islamic thought.. the verse she has mentioned from the Quran about bating wife has something more to say. again none of the verses of Quran will be accepted by anyone who reads it to find mistakes.. Quran is a book for believers.. being a believer or trying to become a believer is the very first requirement to seek knowledge in Quran. there are more atheists available in the google with super strong anti-Islamic ideas and thousand debates about different issues.. but ya.. saying something against any believe which is being practiced by a huge number of people will help you to get invitation from different medias ..
Nurmohammad Iddris. Also she lies about Pakistani Muslim women, that they don't get to go to college! What a liar she is!
@@krabbykat9918 you're a joke; your comments are laughable
Great interview! I have so many more questions I would love to ask her.
Very good interview. Thanks Dave. Well spoken Sarah.
When you reference that poll about Sharia law, you also don't *define* Sharia law... It's a misleading tactic.
Sharia law that IS enacted by specific countries, even in democracies; doesn't entail everything you *think* it does. As in: no death penalty for Apostasy, no hands getting cut off, no stoning's, etc. Now in other places, it DOES denote that, and it's brutal and insane.
If you look around the world at countries that enact some form of Sharia law, they all differ, country by country. I get that Republicans have turned the word into a boogie man, but as a Canadian, I smirk every time someone parrots that statistic, like they just discovered the devil.
Eqypt follows Sharia law, India as well, Israel enacts Sharia law on personal matters for religious muslims as well.
*It just means Islamic law.*
now I personally find any type of law being based off religious teachings is dangerous and butt-fucking stupid, but I can't not say anything, when you repeat a very deceiving statistic - well the stat itself isn't deceiving, it's how it's used.
Again, forms of Sharia law are applied in Israel to Muslim citizens on personal matters. I assure you, they're not dealing out hangings and stoning in Israel. *you should know this David.* I wish you would address this instead of repeating Sam Harris's purposefully misleading talking point.
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I'm not listening to any Canadian on this matter."
Great point!
+mangaas Brilliant point, Shariah law is not precise or the same across the world. But Shariah bodes nothing good anyways, if for nothing else non Muslims and women are automatically downgraded
+mangaas Weren't there also polls done specifically on the apostasy question? What were the results?
So you are against Shariah Law, but you laugh at western conservatives who use the Shariah Law as a boogeyman, because, what? The cons are too unsophisticated for a cosmopolite like you?
Shariah Law sucks and should be rejected everywhere, no matter how mild a particular version is.
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I laugh at people who think Sharia law (islamic law) is the same everywhere, and that it only entails hangings, stonings, etc. (it does, and it doesn't) Ergo, I bring up my example of Israel enacting Sharia law.
Most people don't know that. Does Israel strike you as an extremist muslim country?
Most people are stupid and get their news about Sharia law within the last 5 years from Republicans who are trying to paint an entire religion as "the other" so Americans feel like they are evil boogeymen that can be killed with drone strikes and bombings.
Islam has been around for a very long time, the RECENT focus on their religion and extremism is... I guess it's just a coincidence, right?
Christian extremism in Africa is never a focus, no matter how many people are killed. Yet countries like Iran are somehow a focus. There are a lot of fucked up places on earth, and not because of Islam. The FOCUS on Islam isn't natural. It's a concerted effort, and the motive is money and resources. It always has been.
So again, I LAUGH at western conservatives.
G'day!