Should I Buy A Large, Powerful, Dog? Some Things To Consider
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Today Uncle Stonnie is working with Taji, a Central Asian Shepherd, and discussing some of the issues one should take into account when thinking about buying a large, powerful, Livestock Guardian Dog.
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I appreciate your realistic approach to dogs and people. I adopted an Anatolian when she was 2-years-old because she really needed a home and I was living on 10 acres. She was not great at livestock guarding because she was afraid of the dark and ended up being abused for it. She was then severely neglected locked in a dog run. She was a real mess when I got her. I have helped her become an amazing dog, but my life changed and no longer have 10 acres for her. Some might argue that I’m doing her wrong to keep her in my current circumstances, but she has been through so much and I think it would be more harmful give her to another person after 4-5 homes already. We understand each other even if life isn’t perfect for her breed. Thanks for not judging folks :)
Of course keep her anyways if you love each other.
I am glad you kept her!!! ❤
People seem to forget that dogs have individual characters and minds of their own. This dog loves you and is happy with you and if she were to choose, she would choose you over "breed perfect circumstances". A good, engaged owner is majority of success because you can stimulate most of dog's needs even if you live in a studio - there's so many things one can do outside with a dog for mental stimulation. What's important is that you understand her needs and aren't trying to change her nature.
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I agree. A lot of the same qualities required for one is also required for the other.
I had to put my Kangal mix down on my b day 2022. He was part Boerbel, Kangal, Dogo. Called an Olympic 3.
It is hard to explain to people the difficulties and responsibilities of owning these powerful breeds. I recall telling the breeder I had owned many rescue pit bulls. Looking back I can tell you a good little pit is light years easier than a true LSG. The only similarities are the social responsibilities required to protect your dog and yourself from liabilities. There is not much socializing you can do with these dogs. They are purpose driven and thank goodness they have not been ruined by American breeders yet for looks. It took me a year to decide if I wanted a new dog. I’ve never not had one. I am 46 and from age 14 I’ve always had a dog. Usually an adoption of a young adult aged dog. My mastiff was so hard on me it aged me. It took me a year to reach out and adopt. I loved that dog with my whole heart. But the only reason with all the trouble he caused me that I kept him was my sense of obligation and love. You have GOT to be the right owner for these breeds. If you are dead set on a giant and do not have land and a job, go with an English mastiff or a well bred Dane. I promise you that’s the best route.
Short examples…
I had a vet office in WY that was used to seeing true LSG type dogs. They also services livestock so they had a scale that could weigh him. Most vets, good luck on something as simple as a scale. The WY vets understood the personalities of these types and how to handle them, moved to another state and spent thousands looking for a vet office that could even understand what breeds he was let alone not panic if he bullied them, and bully people these dogs will do. They are highly intelligent all LSGs have to be competent and capable to deal with wolves without humans aid. You think the shaking 95lbs vet tech who thought a German Shepard was huge is ready for these 145lbs plus man stoppers? So what are some vet offices answer? Make us spend hundreds to knock the dogs out so they can examine them while unconscious. Super bad for the dogs, and about $400 a pop at many vets.
Boarding houses won’t take them if they do it’s a double charge, I’ve paid $450 for 3 days because they forced me pay for 2 pens because he couldn’t be boarded with a male etc.
My baby was a good boy. Never hurt anyone, but he was well aware of his ability to discourage people. Getting a strangers finger in the butt isn’t exactly most creatures idea of a good time and he let them know it. Even with a muzzle and me there so many offices just couldn’t handle him.
And the public? I caught kids shooting him with pellet guns, I’ve had people at parks yell at me that giant dogs don’t belong around dog parks.
Mostly Karen’s and flip flop wearing retired chads but it happens.
And just like a pit bull, even if your dog is innocent or doing its job, you are ALWAYS to blame.
I’m a large physically capable man and often we are called gentle giants.
What people do not realize is like certain dogs, we as large men are vulnerable to bias in self defense cases, sports, anything really. I’ve fought three guys at once who attacked me and I am the one who got sued. Even though they got arrested and even prosecuted, I was still sued for their injuries despite camera and witness evidence etc etc.
And the attorneys number one issue with me… I was bigger and stronger than the more average males who attacked me leading to one guys injuries etc.
Your dog, they will simply kill
Him.
You have loud teenagers? Cops come, they may shoot the dog just for being scared.
I called a deputy in WY on a neighbor who was clearly breaking laws. After the mess cleared a female deputy came to explain what happened. I invited her into my very nice and clean home. She came in, my baby boy only 1.5 at the time wagging his tail scared her so badly she grabbed her gun and gave me “advice” that he needs to stay caged or deputies will shoot him.
I reported her of course. Little did she know that I was EMS and had troopers and EMS friends with big dogs that would come to my property for doggy play dates.
Even though she turned out to be an idiot and had a record of poor conduct, the point is I’ve seen cops panic over a lab let alone a Kangal.
I’ve typed too much… I just want Americans to comprehend the best I can help them by articulating to you, stick with German Shepard’s and boxers for family guard work or maybe a great pyrenees for most ranch work. Only if you have wolves and bears should you consider a Kangal or its cousins.
That's a lot of grandstanding to just call an entire country weak and ignorant.
I lived with a working german shepherd crossed with Timber wolf. You are so right. I have been attacked by off lease dogs and because of what Kali was we caught all the blame!
Most people have no need or business owning these dogs, that's true. They don't get them for a purpose they were bred for, they get them as an ego boost even if dick enlargement surgery would probably be cheaper in the long run. People like me - chill, low energy, no 10 acres, dog in bed type owners - should own English Mastiffs, Irish Wolfhounds, Newfoundlands. We have no business having Kangals, Cane Cordos, Caucasian Shepherds, CAS, etc. You just gotta match your energy, character and circumstances. Getting a dog for how they look and trying to mould them into something opposite is unfair it not downright cruel.
Funnily enough, regarding bias..
I've been charged for assault on 3 men as a single woman defending myself just because of the injuries they suffered, even after gas station camera caught how they tried cornering me after I asked them to stop firing illegal fireworks near my property. It turned violent after three of that group tried following me to nearby gas station. They wanted compensation for ruined clothes and teeth and one tried a civil suit later. Fortunately the judge threw the case out despite weak self defense laws in my country...likely because I put on a white floral dress and heels for preliminary, maybe you should have tried that,too 😂 The disbelief on the judge's face let me know that if I were a huge man, it might have turned differently.
I hope you didn't suffer any consequences for defending yourself, it's franky insane that you have to consider laws when someone is threatening you, much less physically attacking.
Irresistible dog owners are likely the reason why cops fear dogs, and knowing that even calm dogs can become aggressive when their owner is severely stressed, I can't blame first responders for being cautious. That being said, people with irrational fear of dogs have no business being first responders,- sooner or later they will get someone, someone's dog or their own partner/team - killed. I hope that cop got fired or at least disciplined and transferred to a desk job after how she behaved in your home.
I took my chances with a XL Dogo Argentino and had my hand ripped apart and a tendon permanently damaged, two layers of stitches and some surgery...Because I thought I could handle myself with a giant high-drive breed, kinda like a Taji. But I was not capable of it, not back then. I learned that the hard way, that dog and I are doing GREAT now, he listens now. But, I have a permanent injury from when he did not listen. Remember, a bite from a Chihuahua hurts, a bite from a big dog is like getting wounded in battle, it isn't OK or fun or cool.
How did the bite happen?
I've heard of and read about the Dogo Arentino,but not an XL version of the Dogo Argintino. Is that a sub group or just a description? I would think a 80-100 pound Dogo would be plenty big enough. I know if a dog that size was telling me to stay out,I'm not likely to call its bluff or check and see if it can back it. I will probably assume it has the ability to hurt. And for hunting that seems like a nice size. Now if it was my dog I would have to figure a way to get some control. I guess I'm speculating or thinking out load,whats the point of an EL version. (assuming that's what you meant and I didn't miss something)
Same happened to me with my first Argentinian Dogo except the damage is nerve minor nerve damage and reconstructive surgery on my thumb. She was my second favorite dog. I miss her a lot. She was also my most expensive and difficult dog. Lol she never backed down from a fight. Even when it was multiple dogs against her. At the time in my neighborhood, a lot of people had gladiator dogs, large poorly trained powerful aggressive dogs. I include myself in the large poorly trained part. My dog was not initially or overtly aggressive or dominant but she was never submissive ether. The injury was caused by a cane Corso she got into a fight with when I tried to break it up.
That was 18 years ago im a much better trainer and dog owner now I have less ego and avoid the places with the poorly trained dogs. Since then I have had another Argentinian Dogo a pitbull, and I currently have an 11-year-old Turkish Kangal. After stepping up my training and changing my attitude, I’ve had zero fights happen with any of the others.
I love big powerful dogs though as pointed out in this video I am getting older now and I want another powerful dog but I’m unsure if that would be the smartest move I’m not a strong or is agile as I used to be.
@@alexbanks7115There's plenty large breeds with less drive and less dog aggression/dominance issues. English Mastiffs, French Mastiffs, Saint Bernards, Newfoundlands, Bernese and Swiss Mountain Dogs, Irish Wolfhounds- all giant breeds that require much less physicality from owners, all with more cooperative, gentle, submissive nature. Hell, I've known rescue Pitbull type dogs that would be suitable for elderly owners due to their individual character.
Look 👀 how EASY Taji went thru that tire!!! 👏 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👊
Excellent progress, Stonnie 👍
Taji has definitely made some progress in the past few weeks "trying" to blend in with the pack. It's easy to see that he just doesn't feel the need to focus on what he probably thinks is mundane, repetitive. He's not the kind of dog that eagerly waits for someone to pat him on the head and tell him he's good - that dog rules his own kingdom. Should an intruder come into that yard, centuries of breeding would kick into high gear and Taji would show what his true purpose is - the ultimate guardian of his flock (dogs or sheep), Taji would win. Would I want a Taji - no, but I can appreciate his beauty and purpose from afar. In his own way he is a good boy.
The responsibility of a large breed dog is tremendous. I hope many people see your video and think about it.
These dogs are beautiful. But you have to think, that if you are injured or you want to go on vacation, this kind of dogs are difficult as travel companion, because they need much space, are sensitive to changes of place and you have to find a location that is willing to accept you with your giant dog.
If you don't take your dog on vacation with you, it is also difficult to find a caretaker. You can't easily integrate such a dog in a dog group of a professional dog walker and friends and family are mostly not able to handle such a powerful dog. There are many things to consider before getting such a large dog. 🐶
There are many people who get Labradors and then expect them to sit at home all day maybe even in a crate with no walks, no clean water and the cheapest kibble day in day out. I had a friend who kept her big labs in crates for many hours a day and was too obese to walk them, ever. And, the ironic thing was that she thought she was a great owner because he had trained the dogs to sit and stay reliably and took them to the vet when they got the expected ailments from lack of mental and physical exercise, early spay/neuter, excess vaccination and lack of good nutrition.
So, my point is that the problem of people getting dogs that are way out of their league is epidemic and not just the case of city folks buying large herd guard dogs.
I recently adopted a “German shepherd” when we went to meet him at the farm, we were shocked by his size. They had German shepherds and he was the size of a Great Dane but looked shepherdish. Turns out he is a Turkish Kangal/ Belgian Malinois mix. His name is Poaton. Poe for short. We are having some serious reactivity issues. He is absolutely wonderful with my daughter..I trust him fully with her. He is her guardian. He gets along really well and is gentle with our beagle. However, he has hit the two year mark. Serious prey drive and territorial issues with any stranger if not introduced and other dogs. We live in the Midwest so we have the proper home for him but finding a trainer has proven to be difficult. I wonder if he can even be trained because that’s just his nature given the breeds he is.
We run GP, Anatolians and Komondors and occassional crosses of those on our sheep farm. Absolutely phenomenal. I would not buy one to walk around town with though...We need to remember to get the dog that fits our lifestyle...and fits the job that dog may be intended for!
💯 Yes! This! They are working dogs and phenomenal at their job- that’s where they’re sense of pride comes from 😊
I've owned 2 great danes and will always have an XL dog in my life. My dog Duke climbs into bed with me and my wife every night, and I love when he flops down next to and on me. I love when my friends and family come over and are blown away by how big he is, and the joy they get from petting him and seeing how affectionate he is. I took him with my kids to the park yesterday and a little girl there around the age of 4 was in love with him and spent 15 minutes just hugging and petting him. All dogs deserve to be loved and there's a dog breed for every person. (At least one breed)
Love your LGD advice. My 7th year with a suburban pet 140 pound intact male has been an awesome experience! Wouldn’t recommend it to anyone else though.They have thousands of years of genetics that you can’t go against and prevail. We have zero behavior problems but we didn’t try to make him into a lab or a malinois. That move Taji made toward the squealing dog was his protective instinct kicking in.
I come from a different perspective than most folks. I hunted hogs for long enough to learn that you don't want a bigger dog than you can carry out of the bush. But there are many times other than hunting that this is an important consideration. Can you get the dog in your vehicle if it is unconscious or injured? Can you control the dog if it goes after the wrong thing. It is no surprise to anyone who knows me that as I age, I prefer the smaller working breeds. A 15lb terrier is a lot easier to work than a 35lb Heeler NTM a 55lb curr.
Yup, I wanted to stay below ~75lbs. Just in day to day life it's a huge advantage to be able to lift and carry a dog without a huge struggle or potentially injuring myself.
I've since wound up with a couple stray/rescue dogs that are around 90, and I manage, but even that is significantly more difficult for me. Would have to totally change strategy with the REALLY big dogs that can be double that.
Great video Stonnie. I have an Ovcharka, I imported him, knew exactly what I was getting and what to expect. I'm a former trainer with a lot of dog experience. I have put a lot of effort into his training, and sometimes he just decides "nah, I don't want to do xyz", and that's life. He's a gem, but I have to explain to literally everyone who meets him "please don't get a dog like this, you won't have this result". There are a very very small number of people capable of owning these dogs day to day. It will never be a normal pet experience. It will always be a challenge. You will always have the greater liability. You will always have to be on top of your game.
Seems since COVID more Americans are looking for homesteads so I could see the value in LGDs making a come back in that regard. But I fully agree for a non-working role, LGDs are not really optimal options for most people at all.
@jfkst1 I don't have a homestead, mines more a guard dog honestly
I fully agree with you. They have a mind of their own and everybody should be aware that they were breed to be independent and make their own decisions. So 100% obedience is, at least in my opinion, not in the nature of an LGD.
Btw. by "Ovcharka" I think that you refere to the "Caucasian Ovcharka", there also South-Russians and others (Ovcharka meaning only "shepherd dog")
I dont have an lgd but I do own a 140lb Bullmastiff. To me this is the greatest breed ever because despite their size they are extremely practical while still being capable. You get the benefits of having a guard dog while still having a dog that is very low energy and has no problem living in apartments, is very friendly towards friends and family, is extremly gentle and loving, and doesnt bark! Large dogs are my favorite, you just need to pick the right breed of large dog for you!
I feel like 1/2 your total content is leading people to choose the right dog for their life. We tried to do this with trees, when I was a tree pruner. Otherwise people were constantly trying to prune the tree to fit their yard. Can be very hard on the tree, often shortening its life significantly and ruining its looks, its natural shape. Best always to spend time researching the natural size and shape and sun, water needs etc.
I say this as someone who one day out of the blue was given a Walker Coonhound and had no idea that it was going to be different than my mom’s chubby English lab😂
Sure is doing better going through that tire. The last 45 years I took large aggressive dogs nobody wanted 2 at a time, mostly one to two years old. My last passed away Jan. 7 at 16 years old, in my arms. Then farm lady I know has many LGD for her sheep, needed home for 2 females, same age different litters. But I don’t have to do a job, they are my life, endless walks, I love walking & hiking, happy as ever & found this channel!!!
Well, I would venture to say that a majority of people get dogs as pets and not to work for them. So, a lot of people are getting dogs based upon their appearance. The positive of the young guy who sent Taji to you is that he cared enough to get some good training. I’d rather see that than someone getting a dog or dogs who are left untrained and unsocialized, no matter the breed or size. Hey, he’s made a lot of progress going through that tire!
I am 59 yrs old and have had GSDs all of my life - not as big as what I am seeing in your post, but I work my land along side with my husband and GSD every day - he’s unaltered, energy through the roof. So much fun - He’s Czech line solid black
Ahoj I tried to get a Cesky fousk put no one breeding near me. I grew up with them nice dogs.
This is such an important conversation to have.
It’s been two years since I (120lbs) took ownership of a malinois mix (11 months, 70lbs, green as they come). Every single day I have had to be mindful of my expectations. The management protocols cannot fail, because I do have the greater liability.
He is a great dog, and I am grateful he is here lying on my feet. However, it is so much hard work.
Education, like Stonnie offers, is the only way I was able to raise this dog. But it never stops. He’s three now and we still attend classes, use a relatively high rate of reinforcement, training tools, and practice the basics every single day.
He will never be the dog in the crowded cafe. But he will be safe and fulfilled.
And I might find a nice little cattle dog next time 😂
You've made good progress with Taji. He's now confident in his ability to navigate through the tire. He may not be a ballerina in his execution, but he's almost big enough to just move the tire out of his way and expend about the same amount of energy. He's also a breed who's intended function is to make decisions while working independent of a handler, but to coordinate with fellow pack members. If I had a small farm and needed predators kept at bay, I'd LOVE having a dog like him. But if I lived in a studio apartment in an urban setting a drove a "Smart" (oxymoron term) car or a mini-Cooper, I'd probably be in need of having my head examined for such a choice of dog. I believe the biggest benefit Taji and his owner take away from your training is the socialization skills he's acquired. He appears to be a very good boy with a pleasant demeanor. It's gotta be like teaching a bull how to navigate a china shop without getting himself into trouble. LOL
If you look back on your earlier vids with Taji, you will see your progress and his improvement. Not exactly glacial rate, but dear heavens you are patience incarnate.
Give me smart, sturdy and bred to please....😊
I wonder if something similar is happening in America? There is a problem developing in South Africa with the increase in popularity of the Boerboel as a guard dog. I am 71 years, all my life I never saw one these dogs that was not on a farm. Now they are being acquired by first time dog owners, closed up in suburban yards without exorcise or training, with owners who cannot handle them. Because of popularity there is indiscriminate breeding going on. I have a Bullmastiff that I walk regularly, often a passerby will mention that they have one or even two Boerboel, if I suggest they should walk them they think I am joking, it is common for them to control the dogs with the use of a sjambok (short hide whip), recipe for disaster. BTW my Bullmastiff was a rescue, it took a year with the aid of a Dog Training Club to convince her that a stick is for playing and a raised hand is going to pet her.
Stonnie, even though my dog passed two years ago (15 year old Rhodesian Ridgeback) and I don't plan to get another dog, I love watching your channel. I'm a man of a similar age and to be very honest I've learnt so much from you over the years and lots of that is how you not only train dogs but also on your wisdom on navigating through life. Keep up the good work my friend..
Taji is so adorable. He’s going to be a recurring guest and personally I love him. This was very heartwarming because we had a Pyrenees who behaved the same.
The boy is to be congratulated for sticking with the large dog (and doing right by it). Thats strength of character. I took in an old blind manchurian pony that was going to be put down cause its care taker died. I reckoned it wasnt going to live much longer. Then the vet tells me the dwarf pony can live to 40 or 50. I miscalculated cause horse only goes to 25-30. 11 years later Im still caring for its hoofs. Cajun penance.
Uncle stonnie u just gave some of the best advice, "lecture before the mistake....." that also implies that you care to think. And also care to be better. And awesome dogs u have there with u.
I met 3 big guys taking [trying] thier LGD for a walk after midnight, each one plowing a furrow into the grass as their 4 month old puppy just walked over to me, with my 4 month old GSD puppy!! My dog loved him at first sight!!!
When your choice of companion animal is based upon ego; but not on skills, habitat space, financial abilities, and time to physically and emotionally dedicate to your new friend, the outcome can be horrible; for you, and your choice of animal. The best examples are dogs and parrots, although there are many others. Thank you Stonnie for covering another important issue in animal husbandry.
Poor Taji, he's just not designed for agility. But he is good natured enough to keep on trying, and probably the best socialised LGD on the planet. Taji's owners should be really proud of him! It's obvious how much work you have put in with him...but he sure is the square peg in a round hole. I'd love to see him excel at something and not have Labradors run circles around him - just once please.
9:18 Yay! He finally got a boxer.
Stony, you should write a book about life.
Great informative video Stonnie! Your channel brightens my day and keeps me motivated to keep on keeping on! Thank you for everything you do!!! Much appreciation!❤
Yes, if you have experience and know what you are doing, you should. I bought and currently "own" 2 GSD and 1 American Black Lab and everyone constantly compliments us when the pack is walking off-leash with total obedience without fear, no matter what or who crosses our path. Just super confident, physically and mentally healthy dogs. It's because of the "Contract" we have and we NEVER break our contract. But I always make the effort to point out how much work needed to be invested to work out that contract, so people noticing us don't get the wrong impression and think they should get one, too, when many shouldn't.
Stonnie,
Try working with the LSGs like the central or Kangal at night.
The Turks attempted to use Kangals for police and military work but obviously found them to be too independent. However they learned more success working with them at night.
The predators mostly come out at night is the theory behind that training hypothesis.
The curly getting in the way reminds me of my curly they just want to please when they want to but they take their time figuring out how to 😂
Does the owner have issues with break ins? Then making Taji friendly is a mistake. If Taji will accept a treadmill (can be a disaster without constant supervision) that will help. He might want to also look into an operant conditioning style trainer who works with wild animals. This is not just drop off the dog and have him ready to go, the owner needs to be trained as well. A schutzhund club with ovcharka experience may help. Lastly, my maremma and Caucasian both started listening around 4yo lol. Good job with him Stonie, it's been fun watching that beautiful creature learn how to be polite.
I’m not a fan of treadmills.
Wow. You are so honest in your critique. Thank you.
Two unrelated thoughts. Be interesting to work Taji on the small challenges at dusk or at night. Many breeds of LGDs are crepuscular or nocturnal - they sleep all day and do their best work in the dark. Second, I have known LGD breeders who send their LGD puppies home with a few chickens or goats so they have their own flock to protect from the start. It's just part of the package.
Still putting in the work with that big boy!
He's non stop work...
I have a one year old King Shepherd and the only drawback is the drooling ❤
LGDs thrive in a working environments large in part because of their ability to independently make decisions. They are not known for their discipline of commands like a border collie. Gorgeous pup!
When your assistant stepped on Taji's friend, Taji's protective and nurturing instincts kicked in. The owner has a gem if he has sheep or anything that needs protection.
I like the big powerful k9s. I have even kept a timber wolf working line German Shepherd for 18 years.
Big dogs poop real big. And if u r the owner, u need to pick it up. I used to have a 150lbs female rottie, and a 100lbs boxer. They could poop. Luckily, we had property and taught them to poo in the very back of the fenced yard. I had like a snow shovel thing and I'd go out there and just throw it over the fence into the compost area. Living in the city, mmmm. I don't know.
It makes me think of what you have said in other video's about dogs. Understand what you have and adjust your expectations accordingly. From what I've heard and read an independent nature is sometimes necessary for an LGD to do its job. Or at least it has been traditionally. If its out in the fields watching over and Protecting livestock without close human supervision it has to make some decisions for itself sometimes. Now I don't think that means they have to be uncontrollable. Just that they weren't developed for strict focused obedience. And if a Predator shows up they probably wont have time to wait for instruction. Personally if I was going to get an LGD type breed,I think I would want some Property of some kind for it to patrol. But of course that's alot of speculation on my part. And based on reading,not experience.
Probably would have one in my younger days. These days I know my limitations
There is improvement. Thank goodness his owner is young and presumably fit. He seems to be a gentle giant but am sure that’s due to your socialising methods.
I love the way you work the one dog while the "pack" is an active distraction!! The opening was classic, he stepped right over that puppy!!
I love big dogs! I like to walk them and love them. I wanted a Bernese Mtn dog but got an Australian Shepherd! I’m still sad about it even though I do love my Aussie.
short answer
hard no, unless you
are able/ willing to put in hours of work
bodily able
have ressources
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I did a spell of garden maintenance when studying, coming across some dogs in the gardens
one Madame had one small poodle, very little trained but all in all very sweet and good natured
no way this family could meet the demands of a large dog
more often then not large breeds are in the wrong hands
You are completely right about these LGD breeds unfortunately sometimes they end up in homes instead of pastures for whatever reasons your videos will help a lot of people that don't know what they really have. Wether unethical breeder's or shelters not allowing dogs to be adopted out as working dogs they end up as pets and many people need help with them.
Depends on the individual......but very few breeders will be able to sort out the puppies who will work from the potential urban pets. And even the ones who can may just sell who's on hand to make a quick buck.
There's very few experienced breeders out there. Most breeders are new with young dogs that they have only had a few years.
I own central Asian shepherd all my life I'm a breeder too.. I do not have goats or sheep. I also train dogs..my clients with pitbuls are not using them in fights, clients with huskies don't do mushing.
@@CentralasianshepherdAlabaiUSA so you are a kennel breeder, Im not I don't raise pets I raise Livestock guardian dogs all my dogs work they are born in the pasture and never removed until placement to their new jobs.
@@BadCompany_3 what happened to dogs if sheep flock sold and farm closed?
Luv how you work with the dogs and your wisdom! It’s very nice to see how well this dog gets along with all the other pups and dogs hanging out there. Your love for dogs is very evident in your videos !
God bless you!! INO one takes on LGDs. have 3 LGDs, NO ONE understands them like you've explained them in your videos.
Thank you, I have always had big shepherd dogs. (Once, a very hyperactive and muscular small dog.) I'm an old lady now and I can't lift and manage a hurt or misbehaving dog. I have to regroove my mental pet relationships.
Me too. It's sad.
But could you handle a senior big shepherd? This is what I'm wondering now because I see one languishing in the shelter.
@@sg639 When they are big, they are still quite strong if they tend to pull on walks, unless they are sick. And remain heavy if they do get hurt or sick, and need to be lifted.
@@texaspatty4697 Ah, I see. Thank you.
I have a Dane/Presa and she isn’t the easiest to train but if I put in the work she does come along.
I need a dog I can pick up to get over stiles. My 10 k cockapoo is just right.
I have a Catahoula leopard dog on the way!! The ultimate farm dog in my opinion.
Good stuff as always Stonnie. Every dog trainer I know wishes we could speak to people about what dog they're going to get BEFORE they get the dog. Keep the dream alive! 😅
Stonnie, the first video of yours that I watched was the trail walk with the Pyr and No Name. Our 105 lb. Great Pyrenees mix has all the characteristics that you mention. He is very smart, independent, and loyal, but the recall is limited and I wouldn't walk him off leash. He also has to hear commands three or four times before he even looks up. He has dog friends in the neighborhood that he loves to play with, but sees other dogs as a threat. Life would probably be easier with a lab, but he is what he is.
Thank you for another great common sense video! These are not even working dogs as we are used to them here. They are a little closer to being wild. That you have even managed to get him this far is a credit to you!
Lgd breeds are very capable for various training.
Stonnie Dennis,
Thank you very much for uploading the series of videos on Taji! I watched them all and enjoyed all of them very much!
Could you tell me the age, height, and weight of Taji though?
Thank you very much in advance for taking the time to answer my question.
Always great videos
Stonnie, I've moved up from Lab's to a Greater Swiss Mountain dog and he's definitely different than a Lab in being quite a bit more independent and likes to have a little think before doing what you've asked him to do, but a trainer friend of mine has a two year old female Kangal that he's put a LOT of work into and she's a good girl but my impression from spending some time around her is Kangals and the like are a whole other level than even a Swissy in intensity. Would you agree ? I'm finding my 9 month old Swissy male a 'nice' challenge so far but think Kangals and the other LGD's are a waaay bigger challenge !
I love your troop!!
I have a japanise Akita and is the best house dog I've ever had
will never do tricks and be perfect I don't need him to be I have him as companion and as a burglar deterent and he is so sweet to his family Dogs dont see size they feel life smell life
So enjoy you walking the pups thru their paces. So simply and easy. An your advice is so healpful
I love how you ask him to work with you with all the doggos and puppies milling about, some sitting casually in his way and all
great work, the results are not "flashy-impressive", but then I guess dogs like Taji are the polar opposite to border collies, so training & the result have to be different
I like how you phrase it, regarding buying a too large dog: not a good decision but now stuck in the uncofortable situation or some such
Not flashy? Give me an idea of something you consider flashy and maybe I’ll make a video about it!
@@StonnieDennis you know those border collies, and the trainer blinks with his left eye and the dog starts juggling or some such...
I guess those protection dogs really are more long term, no lightning speed action, therefore they look sometimes slightly bored or non-too-compliant to the untrained eye when moving (as you explained)
I really enjoy watching your videos and appreciate your common sense approach to life. Was that a boxer I saw for a second in the shot? I have a 2 1/2 year old. How do you find them to train? Please think about making a video of boxers.
i'd never get one of these livestock guardian dogs unless i had a huge property with livestock that needed guarding. they only need basic training in that environment and they don't do well with advanced training. they're a living fence. even among the more western white lgd - great pyrenees, maremma, polish tatra and kuvasz - there are big differences about how they go about doing their job. never mind the eastern european/central asian breeds and there are lots. some are big wanderers and others are more human aggressive.
if i had a couple acres and wanted a challenge i'd get a bouvier des flandres, or something like that. they have an innate protection instinct, with good sense, and an innate instinct to take direction (even if they're a bit hard headed).
Beautiful pup ❤
Thanks to your specific breed & be honest w/yourself videos. Todgey Definitely would not fit my lifestyle!
Thank you Uncle Stonie 😊
I have seen the video of your thoughts on a greater swiss mountain dog i think a thousend times. Would love to se more of this breed in your video's!! How do you think they are as a puppy and in their puberty? A lot to handle or are they ok? Thanks for your answers. Always love to watch the channel!!
He put his mouth on LeRoy's whole neck while you were facing the camera. He's getting better, but I would keep him a few feet away from other dogs, on leash and maybe a muzzle when he's ready to go home. Away from children and small or frail people. You're right, a very big commitment.
Yes he did it to two dogs, once near the very end of the video. I had a big German Shepherd do that once to my Boston Terrier. I don’t think he is thinking about killing or hurting the other dog, it’s just his way of saying “Who’s the boss?”
@@C.Hawkshaw Too easy a reflex with those big jaws, me no like.
I wish you were in Toronto I could use your help with my pure breed black lab he's tall. Loads of energy even as he approaches 3.
Taji is doing well! My cousin has a Great Pyrenees. Beautiful dogs, but not right for me.
Any suggestions on working with a South African Boerboel to stimulate them mentally?
Is there any particular breed of dog that would be the practical, well thought out choice for weaker, elderly people on acreage for their protection? (I’ve watched a lot of your videos for about 3+ years.) Thank you.
That's a pretty easy answer. For majority of people, no. and I count myself in the list of people who shouldn't. I can handle my German Shepherd with no problem. But that's different than one of those very large livestock guardian dogs.
Well said, on the subject of difficult dogs, why don't you have any videos on pit bulls?
I think he doesn’t train them.
Foster failed a Great Pyrenees mix years ago. I had him for almost two, and ultimately had to surrender him. He was mixed in blood but not in temperament. His affect was pure Pyrenees. Nocturnal. Impossible to contain. Aloof. Guarded the yard from my other dogs. I had to admit that while I had made great progress with him and reduced his food aggression and upped his recall, I was not the home he needed. He got rehomed to a farm with children, and I will never again overlook breed tendencies when choosing a dog. It’s unfair to a dog if you don’t have space in your life for their breed.
Do you think the same about a greater swiss mountain dog? If you are used to a big rhodesian ridgeback, would a swissy be good to handle?
I’m very familiar with the GSMD. I’ve owned some nice ones and had lots of them come here for training. I much prefer them to Rhodesian Ridgebacks, personally.
Here’s a quick link to my thoughts on Swissies: czcams.com/video/696RafpFqjs/video.htmlsi=hjiHbGX7M0J9X2Fs
Unfortunately, where I live, there are people that need and use legitimate livestock guardian dogs. But then there are also the people that just buy them because they're big and cool. And there lies the problem. and the dog is the one that ends up paying the price.
My ex-husband had a Siberian Husky/Australian Shepherd when I married him. He lived in a one bedroom apartment. We moved into a larger 3 bedroom apartment for 2 years, then bought a house with a small backyard. I hurt myself at least 3 times walking her, and couldn't work due to my injuries. My husband rarely walked her, it was mostly me who did her walking and exercising. She even drug me across the grass to get to the dog park. My ex husband still refused to rehome her. She eventually got cancer at age 12 and passed away. My ex husband wouldn't be there when she was euthanized, again it fell to me. My point is that these powerful dogs can very much affect your relationships too. And don't be a jerk and let your wife do all the work, get hurt, and still refuse to rehome the dog. Own your mistake, rehome it to a farm, and get a Black Lab! 😂
Besides, cleaning up after a 200lb dog is like owning a buffalo..
I watched when you trained your daughters Jack Russell, but I don’t see any other small dogs. Do you not normally work with them?
Hardly anyone sends them to me. Most people do not understand how important it is to socialize small dogs.
Could you make a video focusing on spitz type dog.
I have a Keeshond video or two
@@StonnieDennis thanks :)
@@StonnieDennishave u ever trained a Samoyed
Sir, think the dogs name tells you what breed it is
I love big powerful dogs. I have a very large GSD/Lab who I have trained to be very obedient. I know my limitations. I am a very small woman. I know that the wrong dog could hurt me through no fault of their own and I would not be able to keep myself or that dog safe if they decided to react. There is a woman in my neighborhood who walks 2 italian mastiffs and gets drug all over the place. I head in the other direction when I see her coming.
If you started training the dog like that, young and early, would it help.?
Imports need to be 4 months old to enter the US. As far as trainability, depends on the individual. The woman I got my Caucasian from knows how to pick puppies for the job they will do. Hers are titled and one had enough points to be invited to the akc national obedience trials. If you want a dog that listens, don't get an lgd. They're like big woofy cats. If you want a woofy cat, get an adult that meets your criteria, it may take a long time before that dog shows up.
no, thousands of years of selection for independent thinking went into these breeds. they're not 'pets', they're working dogs meant to fulfill a purpose.
@@blackberrythorns some can be wonderful pets, however, the seasonal shed and barking can be the deal breaker. If you're into fiber arts, chiengora is very warm. I felted some insoles from my maremma's hair. They bark whether they are on a farm or in an an urban back yard. But not for no reason. A lot of commotion in the city will cause a lot of barking. Pyrs are a popular choice here in Chicago for inner city guard dogs. Keeps the kids safe from gangs.
@@Barbara-te7xz that would be stressful for the dog, especially if it was from working lines. there are some great pyrenees and maremma that are toned down but they can be great escape artists and big time wanderers too.
@@blackberrythorns yes wandering is common. I'm not sure what you meant by stressful. Would it be more stressful than getting into it with a pack of coyotes or a mountain lion on a ranch? If it was about the urban guard dog, I personally put people in front of dogs. Cameras mean nothing and false alarms on the security system come with fines. Work is work.
I have Irish Wolfhounds. They are also a different kinda dog . People don’t understand that they are independent workers . I wish people could understand they are not for social status. Especially because of all the attention from movies . They take time and patience they are not labs or border collies.
Breaks my heart to see these Kengal type or even the smaller GSD and Aussie Shepards sitting in shelters when owner realized too late how much work is involved. These dogs have high energy to do a job on farms and too many are kept on 1/4 acre lots in suburbs, and owners away at work all day. Breeders should know better, and should council potential owners and see what situation dog is going to live in or what happens. Too many sad stories.
Short bear 80
Is it wrong that after watching these videos I think that getting a dog like Taji is a good idea?
Yes
Taji's back end doesn't look right and slipping all over the place on your obstacle course isn't helping. LGD grow fast and often have hip/joint stuff as puppies. My Great Pyr had problems as a puppy and I used a dog Chiropractor.
Most likely your pup needs more exercise not a chiropractor.
@@StonnieDennis She's six now, but while she was growing she had a lot of problems and then couldn't play, get on couch, etc. She was getting lots of exercise but growing like a weed every week. The chiropractic got her out of pain and kept her moving when she was younger. I see something off in Taji's hind end. At the very least stop making him do that course NOT MADE FOR GIANT BREEDS!!!!
@@blaiseaimee7098 it's how he build. No one is perfect
That’s why I’ve always owned labs.
I would love to know Taji’s breeder :)
He came straight from mountains in Tajikistan. There’s no breeder information for me to share with you guys, even if I wanted to.
I'm surprised he was able to came to USA. Tajikistan and 113 countries are banned by CDC for import from July 2021
why would you make a big dog go through a small tire
See the previous videos…
In other words you are saying I should get a Kangal? 0.o J/K i'm fine with my debes.
I think a toy poodle or a maltese is all I can handle, if I’m honest with myself 😂
I’ve had really good luck with Maltese for the most part.
@@StonnieDennis I’m really glad to hear that, because I’m seriously considering one of those two breeds, I have mobility issues after a car accident and I live in an apartment, so all I can handle is a small dog I can take for a couple of walks everyday and then relax at home. I like labs and golden retrievers but I don’t have the energy or space for one.