How to get troops to attack
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Getting troops to close with the enemy can be difficult. It's almost as though some of them don't want to kill or be killed.
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left click on the troop, right click on the enemy
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Step 2 on mine is double Left click the enemy. Single left is just engage kinda half-assed. ;)
Words of wisdom.
Very nice
And click and drag a box over the army to order them all at once.
-Age of Empires Gang
I asked my father how he could actually attack the enemy( he fought in Burma against the Japanese). He said he was more scared of letting his sergeant and mates down than he was of the enemy.
true that tho.. the 'comradery' is one of the most useful and thus most exploitable bond, that almost all, I dare say, SPECIES, uses to strengthen themselves and advance towards survival/evolution.
This was my experience too not in Burma obviously but the modern wars
Your father was a true British legend!
That's pretty much true in today's military, too. There's a saying in the modern American military, "Don't be That Guy", or "Don't be a Blue Falcon" (Blue Falcon being the polite word for Buddy Fk'er). Basically, it means don't let everybody else down. When you're in service, it's the worst possible thing you can imagine doing, and you get that lesson drilled into your head _literally_ from day one.
Anybody here seen Full Metal Jacket? You guys remember Private Pyle? That's not Hollywood; That Guy exists in every unit, That Guy gets every unit in trouble, and the cadre make SURE everyone knows to blame That Guy when it happens.
Drew Insur ants don’t use comradery. They are playing an RTS. Literally pointing towards the enemies and executing commands.
"If you just have a load of privates there, they don't do anything." That pretty much sums my military career right there.
yeah, bc all the nco's are shamming.
As someone who served as a soldier for a bit, I can attest to the stupidity of Privates
Its crazy hearing about privates in ww2 doing extraordinary things and then looking at the privates in my company barely understanding simple tasks
@@ronin6158 An unfortunate reality that will be rapidly, and tragically, solved in the next conventional war.
@@tylerbryanhead marines ?
Lindybeige's childhood must've been hella violent. Every sentence that starts with, "remember when you were a lad on the playground..." involves fighting, bullying, or threatening characters lol
Lindybeige probably went Ender's Game on their asses.
You are confused. He has not been involved in fighting, bullying or been around threatening characters, he has just been character building.
It’s partly a factor of age. Fighting and dealing with bullying were a regular part of my childhood as they were for all boys my age at that time. I never complained to my parents or adults because my father would have just told me to toughen up and fight my own battles and whining to teachers would have just marked you for more bullying when they weren’t around. Now there is much less tolerance for it and more support for victims of bullying.
@@michaeldebellis4202 im of this generation too Can confirm this.
Those were the days real men were made, not like today, they faint if someone don't remember they have some kind of mental illness
Mom, angrily: "If your friend told you to jump off a cliff would you follow him?!"
Me and the boys going into combat together:
Except jumping off that cliff WILL kill me.
@@tincano-beans2114 But doing so would crush the enemy with your corpse....
@@tincano-beans2114 >imagine not wanting to jump off a cliff and ultimate powerslam your enemy with the boys
I am the one who jumps!
Most people would if the friend was a government official or a government approved "expert". The last year and a half proved that.
Imagine being Lindybeige's neighbor and just listening to the man talk none stop for an hour about ways to get someone to kill the other for an hour.
In between seeing him wearing authentic armour and wielding ancient weapons.
My god.
They must'nt be able to see the camera either.
And occasionally hearing him play ukulele and sing about how audible he is.
neighbour*
I am pretty sure with their current laws on knives and thoughts he is monitored around the clock.
@@JohnyG29 believe he just spelled it like an american... nothing wrong with that.
Its always damn impressive how you just talk to the camera for so long with so much knowledge without cuts
The art of ranting
@@LankyAssMofka lowkey lmao
@@LankyAssMofka lowkey lmao
Teachers in classrooms
@@LankyAssMofka lowkey lmao
"Leroy Jenkins!"
- Leroy Jenkins
"32.333_ % of survival. That's a lot better than we usually do." - Abduhl
Ah, Alexander the greats battle cry.
Someone explain please.
I had no idea what that was. Googled it, saw the vid. It hilarious.
Did you mean "LEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY JEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIINS"?
“The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he is on.”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22
Fucking TRUTH.
One of the advices we have from back in the Viking ages is to seek friends, long time friends, when you go to battle, fight with them, they are more likely to back you up, they are more likely not to sell you out for their own benefit etc.... It was written as the 11th. rune, Jara or year in English, in Odin's Troll songs.
"If I am going to unpeace, look for long time friends, under the shield I scream and they go to battle with strength, unharmed to the fight, unharmed from the fight, unharmed all the way."
Jocko Willink, a retired SEAL commander, described their system much the same way. He said the most important virtue to instill during training was reliance on fellow team members, especially a particular "buddy" pair who were always together and looking out for each other.
This keeps people focused on the team goals and activities during an operation, because they are most concerned about protecting / not letting down their teammates, so they execute each step as effectively as possible. It prevents individual loss of focus or indecision by having another powerful motivator running at all times, and someone particular to relate it to.
Of course, this doesn't guarantee that such a system would be usable in an entire army. In both cases of elite vikings and seals, these are already the best / most experienced volunteers drawn from the pool of the generally best of the volunteers.
That's how the British recruited conscripts during WW1; you fought in units from your town/village so these young men were fighting with school friends so they would be more likely to die for their comrade than had they met at basic training 6 week previous. Not sure how successful it was as this was changed for WW2
@@MkNasty911 I believe it was actually changed *during* the First World War - although it helped recruitment by encouraging communities to join up together, the horrendous casualties meant that whole communities (small towns, factories, sports teams) were also wiped out together at the same time. County regiments (with an affiliation to a larger geographical area) remained.
Barbarians without culture or history
22:00 I think the greater willingness of Elite Units to engage is also partly because the troops in these units consider themselves as Elite as well, and thus the esprit de corps encourages them to initiate violence.
motivation, they understand better the objective.
they have an achievable goal.
most soldiers just want to survive.
playing poker, there might come a time where you would stake everything to win.
the soldier mostly feel like forced at the table,
he plays to just lose as little as possible.
morale is a good part of battle.
And possibly the functional psycopaths are attracted to those units.
Also those units are after a while probably somehwhat desensitised to the stuff which makes other units less willing to fight.
You have jobsworths in every industry.
Doesn't apply to the praetorians
@@darren561 just like rules
During the siege of fort Eben-Emael, the pistol armed paratroopers managed to disable and capture europe's largest fort outnumbered 8 to 1. Their leader was not present at the battle but they never deviated from their plan. These men were selected for their bravery, guess it payed off.
Then, these 78 men defended the captured fort against another 500 for about 24 hours straight until reinforcements arrived. All of them received a medal except one guy who was found having hard liquor in his water bottle.
Here were the odds:
The 700 or so belguim soldiers knew about the attack ahead of time. The 78 paratroopers had to use glider planes that were never used before in the history of war. They had no escape plan and carried moslty only pistols because they had to carry explosives to disable the fort. It's like you and your buddy trying to take a police station hostage for a whole day by landing on the roof. If you would ask a regular soldier to undertake this mission, he would think the joke is bad.
Being prepared to die was the key factor here. No soldier that was still afraid of death would have accepted that mission.
That’s some gurka level shit right there
"...and I did it while half drunk." Said, the one soldier with an honor higher than a simple medal.
He still should of gotten a medal
@@zubbworks Him in the glider: "Won't be around for the hangover lads... See ya on the ground!"
Post-battle: "HAHAHA AND.... Fuck. They shot me bottle. Bastards...
“They stand for everything we don’t stand for. Also, they told me you guys look like dorks.”
"Also, that guy that you hated in high school. He supports these guys"
Surprise!
You want them to charge not laugh at your impromptu stand up routine......
THEY LOOK LIKE DORKS *sounds of struggle*
You'll be able to make your bed in your sleep
16:24 As a former paratrooper, I'll explain the concept of how stealing air actually works in layman's terms: Parachutes create air resistance by trapping air in the canopy. This creates a low pressure zone directly above the canopy, so the lower jumper always has the right of way. When a higher jumper enters the lower jumper's right of way, they will steal the lower jumper's air because the higher jumper's canopy will collapse, causing them to drop and become the lower jumper, and this process will repeat itself until one jumper manages to pull a slip and get out of the way or until both jumpers hit the ground at higher than optimal speed, potentially causing serious injury. If both jumpers are nearby at the same altitude, they won't steal each other's air, but there is a risk that the canopies will become entangled. If the canopies become hopelessly entangled, then the procedure is for the higher jumper to climb down to the lower jumper, because military parachutes are designed to carry two jumpers 'safely' to the ground.
There is similar concept in sailing, though with far lesser consequences.
As a
@@oldoddjobs Except it's in reference to have experience with old fashioned parachutes not as an identity.
Brilliant piece of knowledge 👏🏼
This gave me sweaty palms hahaha
An important piece of information about the Milgram experiment is that the instructor didn't just say: "carry on, it's perfectly safe", they actually had to threaten people and get quite loud and angry to make sure that most continued. I believe only around 15% percent went to fatal on their own, the rest had to be coerced with increasing levels of intensity
Was looking for this. The Milgram experiment is a perfect example of cherry picking your research to "prove" a hypothesis no matter what because it's so well known and the conclusion straight up contradicted the data. The majority of people didn't go fatal in the overall study even with coercion and threats. Replicated attempts proved this to be true.
People *don't* just do what they're told easily when it's against their principles unless they feel strongly about what they're doing or are indoctrinated into it, e.g. stanford prison experiment.
Complete nonsense. The responses required were very bland.
@@hopelesslydull7588 please cite a single study that people don’t behave as the conventional description of Milgram. I have heard the Milgram experiment has been nothing but corroborated. It certainly continues to happen in real life, although I can’t say at what percentage.
@@ED-es2qv @E D When the participants could see the victim in Milgram's experiment, far less than half conformed. When the scientist stood too far away, the number dropped. When the scientist put his hand on the subject's arm urging them to persist, the number dropped dramatically. These are just from Milgram's original experiment, but the number that's always thrown around for obedience is the round that was most successful for the hypothesis.
In replications; when studies were performed outside of a university setting, the number also dropped. Where people were told they "had to continue" or various forms of commanding language as opposed to impartial persistence from the scientists for the sake of the experiment, less than half obeyed. Meta-analysis of replication saw a range of 28% to 91% willing to administer a lethal shock depending on the study parameters.
And since CZcams won't let me link anything
The Milgram Paradigm After 35 Years: Some Things We Now Know About Obedience to Authority by Thomas Blass
@@hopelesslydull7588 The Stanford Prison Experiment famously shows that the sort of (predominantly white, university age, male) people who actively sign up to pretend to be prison guards should not be allowed to do so
"The World smells of 'paint"? That reminds me of the military dictum, "If it moves, salute it. If it doesn't, paint it."
MS paint?
If it moves, OK, if it doesn't, oil it and then it is OK. If you are an engineer , oil it and then divide by 9.81.
Chieftain tanks must have been very well painted.
I think you forgot an element; 'If it moves, salute it. If it doesn't move, pick it up. If you can't pick it up, paint it.'
That ""2-part dictum" is the U.S. Navy version.
What I took away from the video:
How to get troops to attack? Simple you need someone who's a good leader.
Who is a good leader? no clue.
And all those times where the actual fighting done by the entire company was the captain, a lif-tennant, a sergeant and maybe one more guy - why even bother with one or two hundred men you have to train, equip, feed, pay, and yell at, when three or four men would do? Just thinkin' out loud . . .
One with nice thingies on his shoulders
Actually, "Who is a good leader?" is easy. The hard part is finding and/or training new ones as the existing stock of good leaders die off from inevitable lead poisoning (or iron, or bronze, or flint, or fire-hardened sharpened wood, or DU, as the case may be).
Even more importantly, most people don't like fighting. Amazing discovery.
Good leaders are damned easy to spot once you run into one though. _"I know I've only known this man for 4 minutes but, for some weird reason, I feel like it's to my benefit to do absolutely everything he says"._ And, once found, a good leader's men will protect the ever loving shit out of him. I've only had four of them in my entire lifetime, and I think the most important thing I learned from them was... loyalty runs in both directions. Every single one of them obtained my loyalty, by demonstrating their loyalty to me.
"I am your king, you are Frenchmen, there are the enemy: let us charge!"
(Je suis votre roi, vous êtes Français, voilà l’ennemi, donnons!)
- Henry IV, Battle of Ivry, 1590
French only charge away from the enemy...
@@robinderoos1166 Never said they were charging *at* the enemy
@@robinderoos1166 zut alors! In WWI the French were known for repeatedly charging the enemy (in bright blue uniforms) and being mown down by machine gun fire. You can hardly blame them for being a little circumspect since then.
@@stanleyrogouski All wars are civil wars because all men are brothers, friend.
Actually, it was a sectarian war between religious factions. The Battle of Ivry was fought on 14 March 1590, during the French Wars of Religion. The battle was a decisive victory for Henry IV of France, leading Huguenot and English forces against the Catholic League by the Duc de Mayenne and Spanish forces under the Count of Egmont. Henry's forces were victorious and he went on to lay siege to Paris.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ivry
@@stanleyrogouski What, do want an argument about semantics? I guess wars that result from popular upheavals from the lower working classes (the general populace) are insurrections and revolutions but war between powerful factions (states, barons, parliament vs royalists, warlords and generals against the rulers, etc.) are civil wars. It's a class distinction that distinguishes revolts from civil wars.
Imagine having Lindybeige as a history teacher in school
I would never miss his class
Come hours late to your next class because someone dared to ask a tangential question
I wonder, why bothering sending kids to school.There are so much better teachers and more interesting stuff on CZcams. So just put them in front of CZcams...ah, I see the problem.
My kids will, I'm making sure to show these videos to them.
Lmao this man is not a substitute for a teacher. Most of what he says is completely subjective and when he ventures into firmer ground, at least judging from this video, he mucks it up so bad he falls flat on his face with statements like “it was actually a successful gun at least judging by hit rate” about a weapon that was ALMOST NEVER FIRED IN BATTLE! Your teachers are heroes, this guy is a gyro
Got out of the Marines as a Sgt, what exactly makes a good leader or a good team is super interesting. I convinced there will never be a correct answer. All I know is you don't need the strongest/biggest guys or the best gear. You're always going to be better off with a group of average joes who have a genuine concern for each other and the task at hand. It sounds funny but caring about what's going as opposed to yourself is rare.
Daniel L - As an oldish, British Bootneck Officer, I remember being given the best advice of all - always trust the NCO’s, especially as they are far more experienced. Once you’re seen to be listening to their advice/observations the top brass wouldn’t criticise any decision I made unless I ignored the NCO and my men/mates were injured as a result.
As a sprog 2Lt. I remember thinking, whilst being advised by the Sgt who was several years older, wtf am I doing here when this older guy is so much better than I thought I’d ever be?
As time passed I finally started to realise that his job was to ensure that new, raw, RM officers like myself, wouldn’t be overconfident or too proud such that we’d ignore the Sgt, as that doesn’t instil confidence in an officers ability to avoid unnecessary injuries/deaths of those he’s meant to lead.
Upon recollection of as much of my memories as I can access through the morphine fog, I’m left with one particular thought - thank god for every Marine NCO that I’ve ever met or served alongside. Without them, or the likes of yourself, I doubt that I would have lasted quite as long* as I have and with so, relatively few injuries - even my guys can’t stop terminal cancer, or a bad parachute landing.
*every conflict between 1978 - 2007, that you’ve heard of, plus some stuff that didn’t have journo’s attached. Shakeys was enormous fun, and there are plenty of colleagues that wrote about their exploits, something that had never been allowed as the Shakeys prefer privacy and leave the 007-type stuff to the lads of 22 SAS.
Left click
Hold and drag then release
Assign to army
Select frontline
Create an offensive order
Click the arrow that appears above the generals portrait
You should see lots of green arrows as your units move towards the border, you should wait some time to allow their organization to build up before attacking
You the one guy on earth who understood how to do HoI?
I thought it was like a call of duty mission where we press x to reload and respawn. While we jump around getting quick scopes and calling in warthogs
Lindy: "If your British, you'll get that gag, if not (and there's a chance of that maybe you're no-"
Me, A British: Good heavens *monocle drops into tea*
@@NotMarkKnopfler Nah fam, more of an English breakfast tea fan, innit
I saw Life Of Brian yesterday. I might make it.
@@edgarbanuelos6472 Haha, pretty much half the job tbf mate
Huzzar three cheers chaps
you're**
Good to know its not just Americans who make this mistake
Lindy, this is exactly why modern troops are still trained in bayonet drill,
"How do you get guys to close with the enemy?!"
Meth.
You give them Meth.
Hitler agrees
That why I prefer a .40, 45 or 357. 9mm don't kick like a mule.
@@martyshannon7542 FURTY FIFE-UH AYY CEE PEEE, MUH STUPPUNG POWWAH
so this old myth again.. its getting pathetic now
@@vargenfenrisson1164 Something has to be false to be a myth dude
Now watched 6 videos in a row, learned a lot and then I noticed something incredible. How much talent and passion do you have to deliver this 50 - 60 mins without much editing. Chapeau from Germany for that.
"Closing with the enemy" was what I called my evening shifts.
THAT IS FUNNY!
what job?
Lmao
Spoken like a true food service worker
LOL yes know exactly what you mean. "Been there, done that, starred in the video."
The last in the trenches are going to GULAG
empty threat... Might shoot the one saying such a thing and pass it off as just being in the wrong place at the wrong time...
Second in the trench gets goulash. Third in the trench gets a good lashing.
Red army in ww2 had party members who had the job of rising first and lead the charge as soon as the signal came.
*Shtrafbat
The gulag was a very big castle with lots of secrecy
How do I get AFKers in Mount and Blade Warband: Napoleonic Wars to fight?
Nice
On BBG Bot Survival just start chat spamming until they move or get kicked
lmao I love that game. Is the roleplay server running? I hate it when I log on and it's not up.
イアン I’m afraid there’s no hope for that one
You shout. Preeeesent arms!
"A good leader is someone that people want to lead them"
Has Lloyd ever been in a group project?
My teenage daughter as an AIr Training Cadet (ATC) was the one where everyone wanted to be in her team. I’m sure she’d have gone far in the RAF but was persuaded by school (and no doubt peer pressure) to take a history degree.
When I was a young professional soldier and a lowly PFC aspiring to become an NCO some day (Austrian Army, that is), I went on a course where our platoon leader told us one of the wisest words I ever heard in all of the NCO courses of my career (1992-2004 with stints in mountain infantry, airbourne and ultimately SF, and technically still not being over du to the fact that I'm nowadays an Army Reserve SFC who should be leading a squad of snipers - which I would do if I wouldn't be the single sniper left in my reserve batallion).
Those wise words of our platoon leader were:
"Always remember: if you're in charge, you'll always have to know and show that you know and can do at least ten percent more than your subordinates to be able to do your job". And he was perfectly right.
Because that way, you'll earn the trust of the men and women you lead, which means if they're worth their salt, they'll follow you almost everywhere and do almost everything you ask them for. Because that way, you'll earn their trust that you're right, doing the right thing, and strive to bring every one of them home safe and sound if you can manage to do that somehow.
So essentially, I'd say the most important virtue of a leader ist trust:
On one hand, the trust of your superiors that when tasked with something, you'll do everything in your power to make it work if it is possible - as well as the trust of your subordinates that you'll do everything in your power to make the mission a success while doing everything in your power to bring everyone back safe and sound.
And yes, that's a _really_ tough job - but it is also _really_ rewarding if you manage to pull it off in a way so that your troop _and_ your higher-ups are satisfied (whereas you also must never shy away from pissing off at least one of those groups if it helps to make your current mission as well a success as a long-term strategy).
@Viktor Samoja/videos/videos
> You are also 10% (or more depending on the situation) more likely to get shot.
Yes, that's one of the occupational hazards of being in a leadership position in the military. Been there, done that, lived with it.
That's why it is important for a leader to not always lead from the front, but from the position where you can do your job in the best way.
Sometimes that's leading from the front and sometimes it's not - and one of the traits of being a good leader is to know the difference.
@@TheTutch/videos/videos
> Did you know Austria still has a navy?
Actually, I do know from hands-on experience that we don't have a navy anymore since 1918. The Austrian Army did have a few small patrol crafts for patrolling the Danube river, but the last two of them were decommissioned in 2006.
TheTutch
The windsurfing patrol on the Neusiedlersee looking for recruits?
That's a very good piece of advice, and a great story. Thank you.
I would alter it a bit though. What one must do is to ensure that one's subordinates to BELIEVE that one is smarter/stronger/wiser/etc.
As long as they BELIEVE it, the truth of the matter is irrelevant.
@@Amateur0Visionary/videos
> As long as they BELIEVE it, the truth of the matter is irrelevant.
Nope, that doesn't work - because when you're in command and fail to deliver when the fecal matter hits the rotary dodaah, you'll be screwed thrice:
First, it's very probable that you'll fail to successfully complete your mission or the tasks given to you,
second, the enemy (and quite certainly also your higher-ups) will hurt you,
and third, you'll lose the trust of your subordinates - which is a sure-fire recipe for disaster.
In a nutshell:
If you fail to earn and keep the TRUST of your men (and maybe women), you're not a leader - you're fucked.
47:02
"They've got bayonets!"
"You idiots! We've all got bayonets!"
Ted: Ooh right-o guys, I was using mine to open canned spaghetti and left it in the canteen. Carry on without me.
"bayonet-y" is officially my new favourite adjective.
Interesting. There's a ruleset for longsword tournaments at a nearby club, they have rings that are maybe 15x15 feet, but they start fencers 6ft apart. The rationale is that in other tournaments where fencers start in opposing corners, at the start of each exchange both fencers will walk forward until they get 6ft apart, when they will stop. One thing I noticed about this ruleset is its added brutality; people would ram into each other instantly after the exchange began. The last time I fought the ruleset, I noted that this was happening less often, but also most fencers weren't starting at the actual starting lines, they were instead standing one or two feet back, literally backing themselves into a corner rather than starting the fight too close together. This seems like a good example of LSP in action.
My great grandfather was doing the "Kirk Douglas in Paths of Glory" part in the Finnish army during WW2. Armed with a pistol, commanding the charge. He survived the war, but not cigarettes. My great grandma was also involved, through Lotta Svärd.
*most of the army runs away
Cavlaryman:"im on a horse, thats handy"
Step one: convince them the opposition is french
XDDD
I’m offensive and I find this French
Is this one of the reasons why many say the French flag is always prepared to surrender?
(just remove the blue and red field).
Ok american boomer
Then i'd tell the officer: shove this bayonet up a french arse, give me a chainsaw and i'll charge the bastards!
Not gonna lie, Lindybeige is the only youtuber who I don't skip the sponsorship sales pitch. He makes it entertaining enough to keep watching.
Lindybeige and Internet Comment Etiquette are the GOATs of ads.
47:40 bold of you to assume I had friends in school.
“The Queen thinks the world smells like fresh paint” is soooo true. On her visit to South Australia in the 1950s she travelled on a train passing through a town called Gawler which the council had freshly painted the houses along the railway line (only, no other houses in Gawler itself), so I guess that had she had the window down she would have indeed got a whiff of fresh paint! lol.
>How to get troops to attack
Shout "FOR THE EMPRAHH"
And put some inquisition guys on the field, it does the trick
For the Emperor!
It is better to die for the Emperor than live for yourself.
If you will not serve in combat, you will serve on the firing line!
'Death to the false Emperor!!'
@@kint87 *commissars. Inquisitors are too busy to notice or care what an army does.
Tell them the enemies are using flaming arrows.
"Fear not, men! They're all healers!"
@@thetrippedup9322
Ooh, with female characters, too.
I was in army like you before I got an arrow to the knee
The Obelix method. A bonus for every helmet taken from the enemy.
Step one: be invincible
Step two: don't be vincible
Look Asterix! Heaps of lovely Romans to bash!
Very interesting video concerning the invasion of ukraine. Many armoured vehicles abandoned by crews. This is predicated by modern anti tank weapons being extremely lethal.
Zelinsky or however you spell his name. He is a great leader.
@@Estalarki youre a stupid sucker believing the propaganda. A great leader would have disarmed azov in 2019 and secured peace.
Hes weakling and a puppet.
i’ve been thinking of this war a lot recently and how it may evolve and thought that if there was any man i’d want at my side if i had to, for whatever reason pick up a weapon and fight i’d want it to be Lindybeige since he seems to have quite a head on him
well, comments about Ukrainian war 2 years old now
@@user-ou9qd9no5n 10 years old if you look hard
In Reserve officer school we had an exercise, where we were(platoon) allowed to choose the leader. 24 h run with all kinds of tasks. He did collapse mentally halfway and others have to step in his place. It was very humiliating to all of us, we all had failed. He was a very handsome guy, tall and fun. The best student leader we had was 170 cm and had pimples on his face. (...the book by the cover...)
Yeah, there are issue with choosing a leader too. People often will pick the worse leader but who mixes physically intimidating looks with a charismatic demeanor (so he looks scary, but not too scary) and also tend to choose someone who is too easy on them even if that's not what they need.
When will we get a graphic novel about Lionel and Neville, the hunter-gatherers?
I'd be happy if the Carthage novel came out.
Lionel and Neville? Clearly friends of Rupert... sorry Wupert!
I see that only the real questions worry the minds of true men of culture.
I'm getting a feeling Lindybeige is gonna start his own army lol.
Just tell me where. I'll be there.
He's got my axe!
Well, there's almost million of us...
'Lindybeige, donning his Victorian officers kit, marches on parliament with 900,000 marching behind him'
Armed with Gambesons, spears and anti tank guns.
The leader's job is often done before the action is joined. It is training. George McClellan was a poor battle commander, very timid, but his men loved him because he trained them well, and acted as they supposed a leader should, with pomp and ceremony. Grant earned the respect of his troops by success.
Surprising given the way he achieved his success.
@@jonathanh761 Well, here is what Sherman had to say of Grant: "I am a damned sight smarter man than Grant. I know more about military history, strategy, and grand tactics than he does. I know more about supply, administration, and everything else than he does. I'll tell you where he beats me though and where he beats the world. He doesn't give a damn about what the enemy does out of his sight, but it scares me like hell."
And here is what others had to say about him: libguides.css.edu/usgrant/home/quotes
Lee, in desperation, occasionally achieved brilliance. Grant was never desperate. "Lick 'em tomorrow though." (Grant to Sherman after the disastrous first day at Shiloh.)
@@hisxmark First off, you show your bias by stating that Lee, in desperation, sometimes achieved brilliance. And countering that Grant was never desperate. This has no bearing on their qualities as leaders. Grant did not have to be desperate because his country wasn't falling apart, his troops and horses weren't starving to death, and he wasn't outnumbered two to one.
Second, I think it is telling that none, perhaps with one exception, of the favorable quotes about Grant in the resource you provided came from any soldiers that actually served under him.
His strategy for 1864-1865 was to throw bodies until the South ran out of bodies to throw back. He was saved from being utterly destroyed at Shiloh only by the superb conduct of some of his subordinates, which included direct disobedience of disasterous orders given by Grant.
The fact is, the only thing notable about Grant from a military strategy standpoint is that he was the first one to be willing to brawl until it was over. Maybe you find that impressive, I certainly don't.
@@jonathanh761 I admit bias. Lee fought for one of the worst causes in history. He was convinced that the "Negro" was better off in slavery.
A leader's job is one: Win! Whether his troops love him or not, he must win. His Vicksburg campaign is still studied at West Point. He led in the defeat of three Confederate armies. In his Virginia campaign, he kept Lee's army so engaged that Lee could not send reinforcements against Sheridan, Sherman or Thomas. He made a terrible mistake at Cold Harbor, but then, Lee made a terrible mistake at Gettysburg. The defenders had a huge advantage when entrenched. But after a tactical defeat Grant continued to advance.
Grant used all his advantages, numbers, logistics. He also appreciated that winning would cost blood, and the longer the war lasted the more blood would be shed. So he kept Lee engaged while Sherman and Sheridan ripped the guts out of the South.
See this:
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Ulysses S. Grant was neither a magnetic leader of Soldiers (such as George McClellan or George Patton) nor a military genius (in the mold of Robert E. Lee or Douglas MacArthur). Yet his qualities of command mark him as the best general in the Federal Army and one of the most successful generals in all of American history. Most significantly, he understood how to convert advantages into achievements. Our February program analyzes the generalship of Ulysses S. Grant, identifies his many strengths as a military commander, and yet also acknowledges limitations in his leadership. The presentation proceeds to place his generalship in the overall context of the American Civil War." -- czcams.com/video/FgSg7qwScU0/video.html
@@hisxmark I clearly don't disagree with any of the facts of his campaigns or battles. It's simply an opinion whether or not one thinks he was an exceptional general or "the best general in the Federal Army and one of the most successful generals in American history," as your source states. It's just my opinion that he was not the best general that the North had. I think there were several better generals than Grant. The fact he was in command when they won does not make him the best general by default in my opinion. He was dealt a far better situation than his predecessors.
I think it's important to examine generals within the context of their situations and knowledge. For example, McClellan is lambasted for being too cautious but most do not like to acknowledge that the federal cavalry arm was dreadful early in the war and McClellan was forced to rely on the Pinkertons for intelligence. The Pinkertons gave him horrible intelligence, including grossly overestimating the Confederate army size.
McClellan's fighting withdrawal during the Seven Day's was brilliantly executed and inflicted far greater losses on the opponent than his own forces. His skills were clearly not limited to drilling.
As I said before, it's just my opinion that Grant is far less impressive than many Generals on either side of the war.
It would be interesting to see things like this being effectively modeled in a video-game, though I do suspect many would find it quite frustrating if the unit of men they've just ordered to charge the enemy most of the time suddenly comes to a halt 20yards away and begins a firefight instead.
Unfortunately, those being led do not always choose wisely. They do sometimes, but their criteria are what is good and comfortable for me. In the US Civil war, McClellon was extremely popular with the troops. They loved him and he loved them, but he was a completely incompetent general because he was unwilling to risk his men’s lives and fight.
A lot of the things in this reminds me the movie "Black Hawk Down" and the character of Hoot, he has some of the best lines in the movie and was if I remember correctly something of a composite of several real life soldiers involved but they were made into one character for the movie.
"When I go home people ask me, "Hey Hoot, why do you do it man? What, you some kinda war junkie?" You know what I'll say? I won't say a god-damn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that it's about the men next to you, and that's it. That's all it is."
" Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit just goes right out the window."
"See you're thinking. Don't. 'Cause Sergeant, you can't control who gets hit or who doesn't or who falls out of a chopper or why. It ain't up to you. It's just war."
"Sergeant, you got your men this far. You did it right today. Now you gotta start thinking about getting them out of here."
My favorite line went something like:
A hiss means a miss. A pop means-(Gets interrupted by a bullet hitting the ground in front of them)
NOW THEY'RE SHOOTING AT US!"
LB has another vid about upping the percentage of soldiers who actually do militarily useful things and uses Blackhawk Down to illustrate a point. When most of the Africans are shooting but missing almost always, it's true to life in that most people are just averse to killing. One "success" of modern army training is upping the percentage of soldiers actually trying to kill the enemy. Mainly this is done by training them to react in lethal ways without thinking. Later, when all these guys naturally averse to killing get home and have time to think about it, we get all these suicides... and the war machine does not give a fuck.
@@jamesdewane1705 Yes I saw the video, and the study.
However I don't think that it's just a psychological aversion to killing because the hunting community had a miniature version of that when they started using animal shaped targets to practice with.
I don't hunt personally because I think it's boring, but I've known a lot of people who've switched to deer/hog silhouette targets, and it's made it a lot easier for them to get good hits.
@@jamesdewane1705 Yeah his "Shoot to kill" video is good and in regards to your bit about the uncaring war machine there is a line, I don't remember who or where from, that went something like this "In war young people die for the old ones grudges", could have been greed instead of grudge. Point still stands, rarely are the leaders ever in the field...
I found him overly mawkish.
25:19 its adorable how Lindy does not get the telephone thing, he's so precious we need to protect him
I was hoping this comment existed. I wonder if he understands smart phones?
@Cpt_Sputnik I’m almost certain that the latest National Trust magazine said that there are plans for placing him on the Listed Building schedule or perhaps just as a NT Site of Special Interest. Either way he’s being recognised for that rare beast that is so rare nowadays - Genuine British Eccentric Gentleman.
Finally something from Lindy that isn't totally 100% about being scared and running away.
Shout: "Who wants to be first in the queue with the 72 virgins!"
or "The mead is getting warm in Valhalla!"
or "If you survive, you are the fittest. If you do not survive, then you deserve to die because you are unfit?"
“Let loose the wound-sea of the trees of combat!
Let feast the ravens on the chosen slain!”
ya know... they didnt specify the gender of those 72 virgins... Just sayin... Nor do they mention that they are particularly good looking either...
@Specter Guerin so there really is a heaven ;)
Specter Guerin We’ll then, I’d rather be last
By far my favorite quote in this presentation, “Follow the guy in front of you and don’t forget your stick!”
1:25 '...a pier rating system...' Southend must rate quite high, if only for its length.
Shame about the place attached to it thoug, that marks it down a bit
go for independence then, chop it off at the base, detach it and then establish a pier-to-pier connection elsewhere
It's no Wigan...
My home town! And I'd be surprised if it ranked high, thing keeps burning down
@@kwlostboy9731 not even trying, Brighton's West Pier has been a fire claim write off for 'investors' for yearss, when I lived there it burned three or four times, and it's been closed for decades to boot
best video yet! Granted you posted 12 seconds ago and im 4 seconds in, i do believe in you.
And yet you weren't even first!
@@AK-jt7kh prove it
Really loved that you brought up The Unknown Soldier, I thought no one outside of Finland had even heard of the book.
I think it would be very interesting to see a film where an army charges forwards, and then the charge loses momentum, because the people in the front don't want to die
eh, just attach an Imperial commisar to any squad and we're gold.
Soviet Troops: But what if we don’t attack?
NKVD: It’s your choice comrades, German bullets....or ours
You watch too many movies
Fortunately, I happened to come across this channel, because you Mr. are an incredibly good storyteller. Really inspiring to listen to you.
I disagree. The fact that people WANT to be lead by a particular person, especially in a military context doesn't necessarily mean that the person in question is the better leader.
This because the reasons why people give their vote of confidence in a leader aren'r always rational. They can appoint someone a leader because they are charmed by his charisma or convincing, cocksure attitude. But if the man they appoint is an absolute disaster as a tactician, then he will lead his men (confidently) to get slaughtered.
The difficulty of military leadership is that you both need someone competent in matters of tactics who also at the same time has the correct appearance and personality to inspire admiration and devotion among the troops.
You can have a brilliant tactician but whose personality is like that of a wet rag, and he will not make his unit perform well because the men under his command simply do not like him. It doesn't matter how competent he is when he can't get the troops to devote themselves to him and his orders.
The opposite is equally true.
So the difficulty lies in finding a person that combines both qualities into one man.
So far, I haven't seen that Lindy actually argues that it is objectively correct, or the best option for the troops to pick their leaders. But I still mostly agree with what you wrote. I actually think that suggesting any kind of democracy in the military is pointless, since any military is still an authoritarian structure. If armies used democracy on some level, but not everywhere, what is the point? Everyone would vote to not fight any war.
@@StopFear: No, democracy won't work.
However, the myopic promotion system could use some touch-ups.
Just because some junior officer is good at brown nosing the upper brass on a personal level, it doesn't make them fit for command. Yet they might be appointed to lead men in battle anyway, even when they don't have the trust or even a favorable view of the men.
When trying people out for command the testing should consist of two distinct parts. The first would be the tactical expertise.
Thr second would be a survey conducted among the men who've trained under the command of officer candidates.
And then you pick the people who can combine tactical brilliance with charisma.
But most militaries don't do this. They either appoint brown nosers or academic "wunderkinds" with zero personality.
I disagree. The Ukrainian Black Army was entirely democratically elected and saw one of the highest success rates of the early 20th century having fought the Austro-Hungarians, the Russian White Army, etc, etc. Also, the men of this army were usually from peasant families and had no formal military experience prior to their service. So it wasn't like these men were inherently exceptional compared to other standing armies. So it's obvious the democratic format works effectively. Also, charming screw-ups won't stay in a position of office long since, if it is proven in battle they have no clue what they are doing, then they will simply be taken out of office and replaced
@@austincummings3780 Democratically run organizations are an interesting topic to me, but in my understanding and experience democracies working effectively are the exception and not the rule, as it works more against the grain of our hierarchically inclined psychology than not, among other complications unique to a military context. If it did work for a military in this instance I'd like to see how and why. None of this is meant as a way for me to say I think you're wrong or misinformed, I'd just like a source to read if you got any on hand or from memory that gave you this impression.
Rambling aside, I'd appreciate if you found the time to share some information on the topic c:
You seem to think those voting are incapable of critical thinking. That may be true in the civilian world, but those who have been in battle and survived are generally very discerning.
I think i've watched this video like 3 or 4 times already. I just put these videos on the background when im cleaning or cooking to have something to listen to. Its perfect for that because the story telling doesn't get old.
I went to combat as a Ranger, and I would say it’s much easier to be brave when you’re surrounded by brave men. Nobody wants to show fear.
It also helps a lot that we constantly memorize and sing things about completing the mission, though I be the lone survivor.
We spent a lot of time extolling acts of bravery too. I didn’t notice anyone afraid to die, but I guarantee a bunch of us were afraid to look afraid.
It’s also worth noting that we practiced for years and we really wanted to get to play for keeps, even at the cost of life.
I was wounded, as were two other guys on my squad, but it didn’t stop us from taking the position we were assigned and holding it until the gun jeeps went by. If I had been the only one that got to the guard shack, I believe I would have taken it or died nearby, or both.
I’m pretty sure most of my squad would have done the same.
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Corporal Jones: 'Going forward in a determined manner at the double Captain Mainwaring!'
"Look stupid, ask a lot of questions" story of my life Lindy
My Father was on a Cruiser in WW2, he said some of the same things. He also said most men will soil them self; their first time in heavy combat.
2 minutes in. I'm in the Army. I went to Senior Leader Course last year. We had to complete an anonymous peer evaluation to determine who we would want to lead us and then second, and so on.
It was really cool to be told (privately) that I was 3 of 16. To know my peers valued the information I had, my classes, character, etc. was very assuring.
Have you been to Ranger school? You’re thrilled when you don’t get peered out, lol. We did peer out the people that needed it most, and taught all of us about doing your best to earn respect.
I’m glad to hear you’re serving, and doing it well. Thank you.
I am a soldier, I find peace in war, and fight for peace. It is in me that violence and peace are married.
Imagine me as the bread in a PB&J... the substrate that supports and brings together opposites. That's what it is to be a soldier. The conflict and the resolution lives within.
If you are having to move from gun to gun, or from tank to tank, maybe the reason is you.
SLA Marshall wrote that even in elite US units, only 10% ever fired their weapons. Those that did fire were often crew served or manned by NCOs. However, although he claimed this was based on extensive interviews of the men, according to one of his aids, this apparently never happened. He had made it all up. In the mid eighties, when veterans began retiring, many decided to write books and began reading up to prepare. Most were shocked by what they read. It contradicted their own experience. This is apparent in The Men of Company K, by Harold Leinbaugh and John Campbell, and others like it. In Robert Engen's book, Canadians under Fire, the biggest problem was not getting the men to fire, but to get them to STOP firing. Marshall's theory is proving to be demonstrably false.
I think you might be conflating "firing" with "properly firing at the enemy". Simply discharging a gun into the air is easy
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Is that really the case tho? I mean it does make a lot of sense but my grandpa used to tell me that my great grandfather told him that whenever he charged the enemy lines in World war 1, he grabbed the cross on his necklace, thought of my great grandmother and closed his eyes while getting out of the trench before opening them again, shouting a battlecry (usually something along the lines of "Für Vaterland und Kaiser") and finally charging across no mans land.
He said that everyone was already on terms with their own mortality and that behaviour as described in the video was merely something you saw when naive recruits met the battlefield for the first time
WWI tenches were a place where naive fresh troops after the first battle were either dead, crazy, or had come to terms with their mortality. But most wars weren't like that.
Jan
This is just an idea and I've never been to live combat, only training, so take with a truckload of salt.
Before and during WW1, and to certain extent, WW2, soldiers had time to think. Attacks we're, in general, well prepared and the guys knew they're going to be in contact soon. This means that they would have time to question, and hopefully find the reasons, for which they're fighting for.
Compare that to modern warfare, where the bulk of fighting is very much unexpected. One moment you're thinking how much the heat sucks and the food is bad, next you're under fire. No time to think of folks back home, no time to think of the greater good. The issue at hand takes over. Of course there'll be lulls in the firefight, during which some people will think of afformentioned things.
@@mgsxx All wars are like this as a combatant you have to accept that you might not survive whatever fight your in. That is War!
@@Sakkehattu combat is 99% boredom 1% terror but that 1% is like watching 4K tv compared to 720p of the 99%. Once you accept that death is coming for all it is just when is the question. You also find yourself promising all sorts to your deity when you are not a believer just to survive. But that 1% is when the training kicks in and you feel nothing other than getting the job at hand done. Do you hate your enemy? yes Do you believe in the reasons for the war? yes otherwise you could not do it. I have been out 10 years now and only lately realise I was not on the side of good and my enemies at the time were not on the side of Bad. We were all in a bad situation because our political leaders could not keep the idea of the truth and lies straight in their heads. Sad really people die in wars not realising that they did fight for nothing but greed in the end!!
@@xilaithownage2453 I usually don't thank soldiers for their service because it pains me how they unknowingly offer themselves up for the greed of the corrupt. Thank you for seeing it and speaking about it. Real service.
I remember that one year in particular, my hockey team decided that we were going to all take votes for who should be captain of the team. We just went around the room and asked each guy to yell out the name of the person they thought should be captain, so it wasn't anonymous at all, everyone knew who everyone else voted for lol It was one of the most humbling and just over all great moments for me when as the coach went around the room, all but 2 other players voted for me. I remember the hair standing up on the back of my neck as I realized all my teammates looked up to me and thought that I should be their leader. What an outstanding feeling. I voted for yours truly, of course :p
Lindy! You're getting so close to 1M subs mate! Well done. Can't wait to see you hit that milestone.
US: Pick your own leader.
Soldiers: We want that guy.
US: REEEEEEEEEEEEE
"Look, sir! Pababababa, pababababa!"
This is how life works 90% of the time*, not only the army.
*citation needed
The Oh sorry mate! 😂
Well, after watching this entire episode, I can safely say that maybe the answer is battle droids. The droid should not care if it lives or dies, only that the objective is achieved. Ironically the brutality of it may save lives.
when you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do.
Cry
47:40 You pretty much described a famous Swedish ballad about the gang life in Stockholm around the turn of the last century, 1903 by the lyrics. All the scum of the city were assembling to fight, then at the culmination the ballad just describes how they just stood in separate alleys yelling and posturing for four hours before turning tail. The last verse talk about how they even today talk about the legendary battle which lasted for days.
Vilken är sången?
28:45 "javlins are their main weapons" has a new meaning in 2022
That's why soldiers are 17-18. If both sides had thirty year old solders they would all be sitting around together talking it out and choosing exactly how to use their weapons to insure that they had leaders that won't get them killed for something that won't matter in twenty years.
It’s like my prayers have been answered 🙏🏼!
Highlight of the week. Lindy video!
Instructions unclear: made the enemy attack
What makes your site so returnable is not your topics, not your knowledge, but you.
A. Don't sell commissions. B. Good bloodlines have little to do with making good leaders. C. Inculcate in all hands: 1. Dependability: Create certainty through proper performance and duty.2. Bearing: Create certainty through proper performance and duty.3. Courage: Develop a mental quality that withstands fear of danger or criticism and enables us to proceed with calmness and firmness.4. Decisiveness: Develop the ability to make decisions promptly and to announce them in a clear and effective manner.5. Endurance: Build a mental and physical stamina that withstands pain, fatigue, stress and hardship.6. Enthusiasm: Understand how to display sincere interest and exuberance if our performance.7. Initiative: Develop the power and opportunity to act or take charge without being told.8. Integrity: Build uprightness of character and soundness of moral principles including truthfulness and honesty.9. Judgment: The ability to weigh facts and possible solutions on which to base sound decisions strategically as well as under stress.10. Justice: Develop a concern for justice, peace and a genuine respect for others. Become impartial. Create a deeply felt understanding of all that is right.11. Knowledge: Competence in one’s position and organization. Understand how to become an active learner and develop a highly personalized learning strategy.12. Tact: Develop the leadership skill of dealing with others respectfully and in an inspiring, positive manner, without creating offense. Unselfishness: Understand the innate value of advancing and succeeding without creating damage or setbacks for others.13. Unselfishness: Understand the innate value of advancing and succeeding without creating damage or setbacks for others.14. Loyalty: Tolerate nothing less than these and you will make MARINES and you WILL WIN BATTLES.
Spent some time in the marine corps. Personally witnessed everyone from company commanders to PFCs happily initiate violence with no issue. Just relaying my experience.
Propoganda is a very effective violence initiator
When we’re you in a war zone? A lot of these studies are done on conscript armies. Getting a bunch of guys who joined the marines because they wanted to to do what they joined up to do is easier.
You don't hear a lot of war stories of guys saying they never shot their gun.
Short answer: make them angry, give them a target to vent it on.
MI5 bugged his place for entertainment reasons only :-)
A naval academy that had a pier rating system!!
"That's a big pier, that's a small one, this one is medium!"
"The Queen thinks the World smells of paint" is a Billy Connolly joke & is probably the Hawthorne Effect too.
Eisenhower filled the landing boats of the first day of operation overlord with the youngest (17-20-ish yrs old), greenest troops for the very reason you mention- the older troops weren't that keen on dying.
These boys, even after being told flatly that they, as a group/boat, would take 90%< casualties, they still went into their boats (and to their deaths) probably thinking that surely they'd probably make it; they would be the 1 in 10 or less to survive.
The first waves at Omaha had 100% casualties, NO ONE made it out of the water. Most died by bloody drowning. They were made to carry the nearly criminally stupid [on the part of the idiots who ordered those boys/soldiers to carry that much weight] amount of 60 lbs of kit and were dropped off way, way too soon/too far from shore. The drop off was a disaster [not even counting the botched night bombing over the defenses of omaha): some of the people driving the boats got off course due to rough seas plus a few of the crafts hit mines that weren't taken care of properly the night before, those things along with the curtain of machine gun fire and mortars they were running into spooked the boat drivers so they dropped the gates too soon.
Some of the young men in the boats also jumped over to keep from being hosed down when the gate dropped but generally drowned because of their unecessary 60 lbs of kit.
Eisenhower knew that the older soldiers wouldn't have climbed into those boats so willingly so he sacrificed the youngest. 😕😔😢
young soldiers or conscripta usually are pretty dumb and believe anything they are told of. sadly.
"How to get troops to attack"
I dunno, try ordering them or something, maybe right click will do.
"Last one in, buys the beer."
If you do that they will just walk into the enemy and die, u have to attack move or have them patrol into the enemy
disable skirmish mode
Enable automatic fire so that you don't have to tell them to fire at an enemy that's in front of them, ready to kill them.
Left-click would be more logical.
"Give me enough ribbon, and I'll give you an army of heroes!" - Napoleon (I think he would know a bit about getting soldiers to fight)
Rome solved it, in fact. As you pointed out near the moment of no return a average soldier realizes that he is about to be ask to fight to his death since he will have no retreat but victory, Sun Tzu death ground. Naturally most people do everything to avoid this. Some accept death ground easily, your few fighters. Rome solved this by training to fight by rank. This way in the back of very Roman soldiers mind, when it came to fight or flight, was this "I only need to kill one, maybe two, enemies and ill be switched out" THEN if he successfully accomplish this and he approaches the front of the group again he has confidence "hey one more time I got this". This massively changed the soldiers mindset because every soldier didn't just have a plan of attack, they trained for and had a plan for survival.
I was a second in command of a Platonon in the paramilitary and it was exactly my job to send 4 runners to each of the four squads either relying the orders of the platoon leader or making sure that each squad is set up properly and knows what they are supposed to do.
23:25ish: A lot of wargames which feature larger, less trained armies do have a "roll to activate" mechanic based on the experience of the unit, usually in combination with allowing a "leader" unit to give them an order to do something. It actually does a pretty decent job of simulating exactly the type of thing you're talking about, especially since the player controlling the army is less likely to even try to activate a unit with poor odds.
Originally when I read some of those rules I thought they were being overly harsh, but after watching this I'm thinking they might be unrealistically kind in a lot of cases... interesting video, for sure.
Telling them you'll shoot them if they retreat usually works.
At least in the short run. ;)
XD
Yip. And your chances of being fra... erm, of having a terrible accident increase astronomically.
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@@MarkusMahlberg I was in the ROTC in 1985-6. The state of enlisted discipline had never been lower, and the state of cadet enthusiasm never higher. The non-comms who ran the program constantly told jokes about guys who got fragged in 'Nam. ;)
@majtom58 Isn't that a myth?
My dad was a company commander in Vietnam and he said the Lts and platoon sergeants did most of the actual fighting.
Pikes were also used on naval ships, including frigates, by sailors to repel enemy boarding parties.
Lionel and Neville playing with javelins again... love it
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