Super Mario Wonder vs. New Super Mario Bros. U
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It’s really a night and day difference, this game is so expressive.
Mario as a series being this expressive and less *vanilla* than it's been for over the decade is the most exciting time for the series. Especiallly with this, Mario RPG, and Thousand year door.
im sick of these cold ass takes man youtube comments suck
BOORIIIINGGG
He was expressive in Odyssey.
@traviscunningham7062 sorry, I should've said aside from 3D Mario
@@jashi7729honestly yeah i don’t see why everyone is making these comparison videos for, it’s a 12 year old game of course it’s not gonna look the same
Ground pound now does a drum roll when you're falling, and finishes it with a cymbal when you hit the ground.
EDIT: The BGM's percursion only plays when you're moving.
Sound gets muffled when you're burrowed using the Drill Shroom or when you're a ghost. (tho I think they might be different)
Elephant swaps the main instrument from whatever it is to brass, but the other power-ups don't seem to.
The note blocks plays notes according to the melody so they're never out of tune.
In some of the "musical" stages where the enemies sing or play a song, they're not playing pretend there, if you interact with them, like killing them or stunning them, it'll change the song accordingly.
There's instances where if you time your jump to the rythm of the song you'll get a special animation along with a cheer from your character (it's also required for some puzzles).
Exactly! That's such a perfect for for the ground pound. Though hardly anyone seems to notice it. I also like how the instrumentation changes to brass (or something) when transformed into an elephant.
@@cube2fox what really, how can you not notice that.
@@cube2fox Yeah, that's pretty cool as well. Tho, I was hopeful that the other power-ups would have different instruments as well, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Unless they change something less noticeable and I didn't catch it.
They neeeeed to continue this for the future. I want to see more 2D Mario games that are just so colorful and full of lively expressions. I hope that they keep pushing the boundaries for future 2D Mario games.
So you want wonder to become the new new?
@lanceran8964 Well, maybe not to the point where it gets stale......but I wouldn't mind if they build off wonder and maybe explore new different kingdoms possibly. I do want them to keep a really good roster of characters and the unique expressions for the characters and enemies.
Everything in Wonder is just so much more, what's the word, magical and whimsical and alive than anything in the "New" series for me, a massive improvement
@@NintenDub i think i say that because of burnout with every entry after being in the same visual style and same gameplay as all the others
@@James-gj8rnI'm pretty sure that's how everyone else felt. This is also why I think the one on DS is the best. Every subsequent title is bland by comparison.
it reminds me of nothing more than a new new super mario bros title. ive only beaten world 1 and 2 so far though.
Noo old one musics are better
Wonderful?
It’s crazy that now that we have a Mario game with actual expressions it REALLY shows just how lifeless the past games were.
He was expressive in Odyssey.
@@traviscunningham7062 Past 2D games*
2d Games. 3d one have been creative
Just because Mario himself wasn't so much expressive in older games it doesn't makes the games themselves soulless.
@@Vetusomaru I could not disagree more because it’s not just Mario, it’s everything, even the enemies. Wonder has soooo much more personality to it especially when you compare it to the past New Super Mario games
The New Super Mario series seemed like it was holding on to the retro games too much. Everything from sound effects and the visuals. Wonder seems to want to go past the old games
It was Nintendo playing it safe, fear of change
Whats ironic is they failed even at that. The changes from 1 > 2 > 3 > world are astronomical. You got different kinds of games, none of them were clones (except for OG mario 2). Same can be said for mario land series. It was such a huge misstep to continue the new series the way they did, when the precedent was already there to do completely new thing each iteration. Makes me wonder what the corporate structure was like, who made those calls and why.
At least 3D Land and World were creative compared to the New Soups. Both games had a lot of interesting level mechanics.
That is the reason Nintendo has worked for so long. They kept what made it loved. They kept the old fan base so they introduced it to their kids. More entertainment companies should follow.
It feels like they finally remembered that Mario is a jolly, expressive character instead of some cold lifeless robot with overalls and a hat :D
The only time mario even looked remotely like a "soulless robot without expression" was in the very first game because of the technical limitations giving him a basic design and animations.
The irony when you are a Minecraft fan. The characters in that game are the most soulless robotic looking things I've ever seen in a game from the mid 2010s. Mario bros 3 from 1988 had more expression in the characters than that game.
@@Gameprojordan
Woah I wasn’t attacking anybody 💀
Anyways I agree that Minecraft is lifeless which is why I got bored with it years ago 🤷♂️
I’m glad to be hyped for 2D Mario again.
I love all the visual upgrades in Wonder, it adds so much more characters and personalities to Mario and the crew (as well as the enemies!). I especially love the fire flower power-up animation!
I'm also already looking forward to a new Mario Maker game with Wonder style visual. XD
Seriously! Even if it was only one game style, I would TEAR THROUGH a new Mario maker like this. Heck, throw in some retro power ups to round it out and you’d have the greatest level editor ever made. Nintendo has infinite potential with a wonder-maker
Wonder makes U look straight up unfinished by comparison wow! the animations really do add that next level of charm that makes it so much more enjoyable to play
DistantKingdom I haven't seen you in forever on CZcams, how's it been!
When's the Pokémon SV review and High Quality animation videos 😂
As much as a massive breath of fresh air Wonder is, it’s import to note that the time of its Switch re-release in 2019, NSMB U, when nearly a decade removed from the frequent release schedule of NSMB games that it was originally released under back in 2012, effortlessly outsold not only its Wii U version, but the Wii U console itself.
A game can’t do that by being undeserving of existence in the first place. Nintendo do basically mishandled the NSMB series in a way that made its most thoughtfully crafted game come off as completely unremarkable.
I would give any kid new to games NSMB U as their first 2d Mario, it’s a great game and makes the new aspects of Wonder all the more thrilling.
They really made the 3D models in Wonder capture the energy of the sprites in SMW.
And Mario 3
Everyone says the music this time is very forgettable but I honestly disagree, I really love the new music, it’s such a breath of fresh air.
The underground and castle werent my favorites
A lil dull
But the rest so far has been great
the new music is pretty memorable but the remixes of previously heard themes are rather lame.
@@andrewoliver1330castle is whatever but I’m extremely hooked on the underground, it’s fire af
It's really enjoyable. But the music from Donkey Kong country tropical freeze is just outstanding!
@@Kingpapermario glad you like it
That short loop has me 😴
The 2D Mario platformers between World and Wonder always felt so soulless. Having grown up with SMB 1 to World, Wonder feels like a return to form.
This breakdown really helps sell just how much time went into making these characters feel alive and full of life. It really makes me want a Yoshi's Island game made with this much care
I went into Wonder without expectations really, I didn’t feel the hype for the game but I am a Mario fan so I was gonna buy and play it anyway. Finished the first world today and my gosh, it’s so much fun! I did not expect this quality for a 2D Mario game at all. It is creative, it’s visually pleasant to the eyes and the quality is (at least in the first world) consistent. This game is such a surprise and I love playing it a few hours after a long Spider-Man 2 session to relax and just have a good time
I was happy to see a 2D game that doesn't force you to play as Mario, but seeing how expressive and personality-loaded he he is in this game makes me actually WANT to play as Mario!
Feels like 2.5d mario finally finally caught up with wario and donkey kong in this space. The new series was novel at first but I thought it was crazy how they just kept churning them out, the same one after the other. The NES, SNES, Gameboy series were never like this, every entry was unique, so I have no idea why they did that. Meanwhile wario and DK just kept getting better and better, experimenting with new concepts. It's cool to see mario go back to trying something for a change.
The animations and new art style just look plain fantastic. Can’t wait to be playing Mario Wonder soon.
I just hate 2 things in super mario bros deluxe, the sliding after jump and saves, you just cannot save after every level it's just horrible
My personal favorite: a drumroll every time you do a ground pound. 🥁
We're finally past the dark age of 2d Mario games reigned by the "New" series for 20 years
they still haven't brought my Mario vs Luigi mode 😠😠💯
The actual gameplay in the New series was very good, feels inappropriate to call it a “dark age”
What I find so exciting about this astounding upgrade in all aspects of fidelity is that nothing about it is due to an increase of performance, it's all just more time, craftmanship and love put into it. I hope that the team had fun, that the project was associated with unusually low levels of stress and that it sells exceptionally well so that labors of love become less of an anomaly in this industry. It really feels like the Link's Awakening of the Mario franchise but better in a lot of ways.
I'm freaking loving this game for its bite sized levels that are perfect for a quick fix or just binge playing an entire world trying to get all the Wonder seeds in that area. I can see myself playing it over again once I beat it.
I am like four levels in and i'm absolutely blown away by this damn game.. so far Wonder is literally coming across as the ultimate evolution in 2D Mario after 30 years.. the wonder effects, singing piranha plants blew me away.. the diversity so far, the aesthetic... the talking flowers are fun.. everyting is landing.. everything.. and the visuals, level design, and animations up close on a good hd tv is mind blowing.. even the soundtrack is on point, 4 levels in.. the developers are also making me do things they knew I would do when playing.. thats how well designed each level is
Mario's crouch is really reminiscent of Super Mario World where his nose and mustache stick out.
Dude, it's not just that the ground pound now has more expressive animation, whenever you ground pound the music adds a cymbal crash! It sounds like someone is actively playing a real drum kit too, just like how the orchestrated music sounds so organic as well.
Am I crazy or do fire flowers make you grow just a little bit in Wonder? I keep seeing Mario shrinking just a bit when I get hit as Fire Mario
I was wondering that, too. I think they're the same size, but when you get hit, Mario's model size increases at the beginning of the animation by maybe 5% and shrinks back down to where it was just to give a visual representation of losing your power.
Fantastic comparison. Thanks for the video. Have been playing Wonder and loving it. Interesting to see the differences!
It’s so weird how everyone wants the narrative to be dunking on the New SMB series. New SMB U came out ELEVEN years ago. Yes, there’s no question that Wonder is a more daring and impressive release, but why can’t we just appreciate the fact that the New SMB series were fine 2D platformers during a time when that genre was in a lull, and now we’re seeing the next generation. I personally loved seeing New SMB U most of all because it was the first time a Mario game was presented in HD, which was amazing in itself.
Rayman origins and donkey kong country returns came out before NSMBU and were a lot more daring than the latter. They also both sold very well considering that they were the return of basically dead franchises.
And then, both games got an even more bold and creative sequel on the same console as NSMBU.
Wait, there's still so much more to explore about this game. I needed more of this analysis 😂
funnily enough, mario wonder is so stupidly pleasant and cheerful and wonderful that it actually makes me feel bad for all the random creatures we're flattening into goo. the goombas were easy to stomp and forget before because they didn't feel like living beings. now they're just like.. chilling, sleeping together, wandering around, and get visibly terrified when mario gets near or kills one and i'm like. i'm so fucking sorry you don't deserve this. the more alive the enemies feel the more mario feels like a genocidal maniac
I love the game so far. It really plays more like Super Mario World than New Super Mario Bros. And thank god the soundtrack is sooooo miuch better. At the end I couldn't stand the New Mario Bros. soundtrack anymore. The sequenzes from older games in Wonder are great as well.
That downtime between death and getting back into the game is what stopped me so far to finish Luigi version of new super Mario bros u deluxe (as I die more there). I’m so glad to see it fixed!
The difference is so stark and significant that I had to watch this video twice.
Thanks for the demo and info, I was wondering the differences, and this video is a great breakdown
As much as I appreciate the extra detail in the backgrounds, I still would've liked to see more 2.5 D effects like in donkey Kong tropical freeze or rayman legends. I'm surprised they still haven't experimented with this given that they tried similar ideas in super mario 3d world.
You made me realise I never took damage from a goomba during my 100% completion of the game, so I'm discovering the animation here lmao
Inject that creativity right into my veins.
As much as I love how full of fresh life wonder is, I have to say I prefer the stage designs in NSMB games, they're longer and harder
Unpopular opinion that no one is acknowledging during this honeymoon stage. I agree though. NSMBWU gets a lot of flack for not being visually inventive, but the game itself is pretty excellent.
@@booski1865 NSMBUs only stage design flaw is that the levels have poor space management sometimes (lots of the levels only take up a small part of the screen ) and the hidden stuff is often randomly hidden behind a fake wall with no indicator it's a fake
But yes.. NSMBUs levels are pretty excellent. I struggled on some of them way more than any wonder levels
@@Dilopho I vaguely remember that. One thing I generally love about 2D Mario stages is when there's a spot that seems unnecessary to the layout there's usually a secret there. But I've been replaying Yoshi's Island kinda off and on with Wonder, and I still think Yoshi's Island is the better game, and probably my favorite 2D platformer in general. But like you said, glad to see the spark Wonder has.
Nice comparison. Lets us appreciate how far we've come.
I love how this now animation stile weve been seeing in animated movies is finally bleeding into games.
Although it kinda started on games thanks to Guilty Gear Xrd and Dragonnall Fghterz.
Thanks arcsys.
Did anyone else notice this game uses a lot of Yoshi's Island sound effects? The 1-up jingle and the red coin sound effect are the big ones I keep hearing, but maybe there are others. It makes me a little happy
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The old "New" Mario's looks and animations are just a bit plain. Mario felt behind when looking at things like Rayman Origins and Legends, so happy to see that Wonder upgrades so significantly!
For decades I stopped caring about 2d Mario because it just felt stale and lifeless with the "new" series. Wonder finally changed that. It's simply night and day.
Have you tried 3D Land and World? Those have lots of similarities with the classic 2D Mario games.
I swear the new p switch song sounds like a song from the Interstellar score
That’s a great comparison!
There is no comparison, this game is way better
So this is why we can walk in a straight direction on the world map
The visuals remind me of Allstars. Especially in levels with background and foreground sections. Allstara added rich pipe backgrounds in certain stages in 3. You could even make the argument that the background play resembles Mario's ability to go backstage in 3
Really hope Nintendo learns a lot from this game and it’s success, and not just in a ‘let’s do more Wonder games!’ way. More new ideas and fun new stuff learned from past games, please!
Good idea for a video !
They took the smash ultimate queue of making the characters face the screen instead of forward, and for that alone it made a HUGE difference especially at first glance.
Seeing them side by side is a world of difference.
i just played the wii and wii u and 3DS new super mario bros games to prepare for this one. I hadn't played them before this year, aside from playing the DS title 14 years ago.
I see this wonder game, which ive played the first two worlds of, as a sequel to the new super mario bros games. from an extremely fresh and undiluted and unaffected perspective i don't see or feel a "world of difference".
Wow good video wouldn’t have noticed these things
One thing to remember is that NSMB DS was built off Mario 64 DS, so stuff like the jump is taken from that game and well, it isn’t the best
That nes mario sprite uses right hand for fire flower, at least facing that direction.
excellent analysis
The music often feels very Dragon Quest in the best way possible
Where can I find the developer behind the scenes presentation on how the game was made?
We played enough New Super style-we deserve this!
mario broes 3 SNES ver had rain
This game is beautiful.
Wonder is Definitely my fav Mario bros game yet it’s just such a big improvement and so much more visually appealing
Nsmb is like fast food while wonder is like a 5 star meal
There was actually rain in Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 during ship levels
That was classic mario, not NSMB
They basically gave the new 3D models the same treatment that Arcsys has been giving to their characters to give the illusion that you're looking at hand-drawn animation as opposed to 3D models. They also did this with Link's Awakening, but from an isometric view, so I'm not quite sure why so many people are acting like this is groundbreaking...
Dude this game has a world that’s just the magicant from earthbound it’s that good
Wonder is the Super Mario World of modern 2D Mario
Now that wonder exists, U. And the other NSMB games just feel souless, specially the character expression just look at mario doing a ground pound in U. Compared to Wonder, in U. Mario has a souless stare is his eyes, but in wonder Mario has expression, you can see the pain in jis face from hitting the ground at such high force
This game makes me miss that cool thing they did with the music whenever you jumped on a Yoshi in Super Mario World.
That’s also in Galaxy 2 and Sunshine.
@@traviscunningham7062 yeah but it’s not the YOSHI one
I would really like to see the Mushroom Kingdom reimagined to be as fleshed out and zany as the Flower Kingdom. Make it a spiritual remake of Mario’s first adventure
I would’ve loved a ending to the new super Mario bros story with style and a harder updated koopalings battle even new bosses on top of that cause this game animation is amazing. I think the game looks amazing but I guess I’m always gonna have a soft spot for the new super Mario bros games but I also think the rom hack community showed me what those games are really capable of being if more time was put into the level design
Such a huge difference, Wonder is excellent
Wonder is a breath of fresh air and a loveletter to 2D Mario games. I cant believe we got such a great 2D Mario game in 2023, but it is very much welcomed.
I really loved the new Super Mario Bros games but even I admit that after playing Wonder I don't think I could ever go back and replay after how amazing Wonder has been
That's like saying you will never play the NES Mario games again because you played the SNES ones.
If that’s a the case then it just seems like aesthetics is all the really matters to you. Good platformers are still good platformers no matter how they look and sound compared to what came after.
@Vetusomaru The difference is that each NES Mario games and the SNES Mario games has different layout & designs and they introduced things that not only became staple of the series, but the games as an whole were new & different and they hold up remarkably well. Same with 3D Land & 3D World. New Super Mario Bros though, it's the same thing since the DS game. Nothing new, nothing incredible. Just the same game as we've already played before and that is tiresome.
@@cgk1276 Oh no, I still love them. I mean that combined with the animations, the graphics and all the new creative stuff it would be hard to go back and replay them because all this new stuff is so good
Daisy (and maybe even yoshi?) Have been recast as well
Hydrogen Bomb vs Coughing Baby
HOLY SHIT THE DOWN TIME IN U WAS CRAZY
The changes seem very minor/cosmetic when compared like this (the basic engine seems almost identical) but they make a big difference. Wonder is the first 2.5D one that I really like the look of
NSMB always felt like a budget cash-in to me, I stand by that.
Yeah. No doubt Wonder is gonna put the New Super Mario Bros. series into shame. It's what an 2D Mario should do. Evolved it into expanded those mechanics, gimmicks & hardware, while also still keeping it's source material or formula it's known for and also don't feel very samey, stale nor blandness as the New Super Mario Bros. games have. It doesn't have to change alot. Just expanded them as much as you could and Wonder shows.
The New Super Mario Bros Saga will always be better than that Mario Wonder Shit. Let it be clear to you
@@TheBlueMarioSmash Sorry. But I can't agree there. NSMB series ain't bad. They are somewhat good. But compared to other 2D Mario titles; especially Wonder, there average at best and mediocre at worst.
I never really noticed in previous “New” Super Mario games the fact that enemy faces don’t face the screen unlike Mario Wonder and much like the 8 and 16 bit games.
It’s not “an illusion trick”, just “an illusion”.
But how is the replayability in Wonder?
There is rain in odyssey and 3d world bowsers fury. Not sure if those count towards the point though 🤷♀️
How is the Super Mario Bros Wonder OST? Is it varied or is the music repetitive?
This game is a banger.
fam it's such a bop y'all. it's like poggers bruh. no cap it slaps. skull emoji skull emoji skull emoji mario be wildin. EVERYBODY MUST EAT
@@ianswift3521 at least you tried
Kind of weird that you drew attention to Mario and Luigi getting new voice actors but not Daisy
Just for looking the thumbnail I started to remember nsmbu like a ps1 game lol.
Zelda totk, astral chain,, Mario wonder , Mario origami king,Mario rpq, paper Mario remake , 3d all stars and the Metroid dread Game. I never beat any of them.... I have them all ready to be bought asap
I like both games so i will play both
Nice
The game is not trash it’s just a bit easier than previous entries it’s more vibrant and perfect for kids
i would appreciate it if could you make a video of just reading all the 'Meet the Developers' pages without additional commentary, thank you.
Mario in Wonder looks so cute! Mario in Mario U looks so soulless.
I really like all the nsmb games a lot, i will replay them still but Wonder is amazing! Its on a complete other level of.. well everything hahaha
the differences are in the names. "new super mario bros" is just a NEW super mario bros, like the original. it has the same level of spectacle as smb1 but with touched up visuals and models. super mario bros wonder is a completely new entry in the series, like smb3 or super mario world (officially recognized as smb4), so it feels different from all the other games that came before it
I will defend Super mario bros u till the day I die since it's my first modern 2d mario