How Speedrunners ALREADY Completely Broke Mario Wonder
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Also, Zimbo made an excellent video that gives some more details on the early hours of the holy grail trick. Check it out!
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cool
nah
if i get the physical copy will it also have the glitch fixed? and if it is is there a way to downgrade the game?
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i think someone needs to remake the original super mario brothers games were if you beat the level the next one fluidily loads. or not.
As a wonder runner, it is insane to see how fast this game has been ripped apart. Most of us literally woke up to this overnight out of bounds discovery. It's a shame that Nintendo patched this, forcing many people to avoid updating and even factory resetting. Great in-depth and accurate explanation, and I can't wait to see how Wonder speedruns evolve in the future :)
Yes, what a shame that Nintendo removed an unintended exploit from their game, making the game more stable for 99% of the playerbase. Are you really suggesting they shouldn't have?
@@denny141196 This isn't the kind of thing you can exploit accidentally, so it really didn't have any effect on non-speedrunners.
@@top5g04t BurgerandFreys actually found it by complete accident while playing with a friend who would change characters a lot. Suddenly he fell off the map, and then tried to figure out what happened later. That being said, it won't affect most players and doesn't cause any permanent harm.
Yeah that night was crazy! One of the best night I ever had.
@@denny141196 Glitches are a endless beauty,
A cringe for the developers
A delight for the runners
11:11 The Diamond and Pearl remakes didn't check for any gym badges because the originals didn't check for any gym badges. The code was literally copied and pasted straight from the originals, and we know this because the remakes have the same bugs as those original games, including a bug where Fire Fang hits through Wonder Guard (when it's hacked onto a Pokemon that isn't Shedinja that isn't weak to Fire).
My favorite "holy grail" skip that doesn't exist yet is the Long Hallway Autosave Skip in UNDERTALE. It's almost useless in most categories but would save over 12 hours in 100% and we are tantalizingly close to finding it.
The thing about implicit/explicit checks reminds me of how in Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, the game apparently only checks if you have the sixth badge at the mandatory Pokemon League badge check thing. It's the only badge in that game that you don't need to progress in the overworld, since it just allows you to use Fly.
Spot on! I almost went on a whole tangent about badges in every pokemon game
While this is true, a minor correction: you also don’t need to beat Brawly in order to progress in the overworld, if I’m not mistaken
@@ChongoShow You actually kind of do. Norman refuses to fight you until you have four badges, so you still kind of need to defeat Brawly anyways to advance in the overworld, even if the roadblock doesn't show up immediately.
The Jet Run vs Fast Dash debate reminds me a lot of the Hammer Suit vs Fire Flower route in SMB3's longer categories.
For 100%/All levels runs one is clearly better, but for the basic warpless category they'll keep switching back and forth as new strats are found!
That’s very cool! SMBW is very similar in the sense that Fast Dash is clearly better for Any% and Jet Run is clearly better for 100%. ARS is the “middle child” where either route is viable!
Frog suit, obviously
A video breaking down the jet run vs fast dash routes would be quite interesting.
It's really impressive how quickly this game is being torn apart by speedrunners, though I guess not all that surprising.
Could you tell me, please, what happens when you ground pound a Mumsie?
Great video! Most thorough breakdown of the out of bounds shenanigans in this game I've seen on youtube.
The legend
The myth
Yeah Kosmic did a great job on this video. Been waiting on it impatiently since he DMed me he was gonna release it this week, and it was worth the wait!
@NiftyNova Yeah, it was a neat surprise! I liked it :)
Hey now, with that thumbnail font, I expected to be called an "absolute legend" at the very start of the video.
I'm probably too late, but the reason that programmers like the "implicit" checks is that it makes testing easier: You can just load into the game at any point you want and finish it from there. If you did explicit checks, you would have to play the game from the start every time, or laboriously manually craft a save file.
It's usually done, because it saves on coding, there is just no reason to have 6 lines of code running, to check for, in this example, the seeds, when only 3 of them can be picked up in any order. Devs generally have tools for something like testing.
@@neros_soren I mean it's both really. Depending on how you have the code set up, it might actually be less code to check for the item than not to check. And sure, ideally you'd have nice dev tools for this, but in reality that's not always the case and dev tools lag behind what's in the game. And for that matter, the item you collect may not even be implemented by the time you're testing the rest of the game. And you don't want the QA testers to have to stop their session if collecting the items doesn't work. There's a ton of practical reasons for doing it this way.
@@squelchedotter Progression checks are usually not randomly implemented, tho.
You make it seem like, they make a game from start to finish starting with world 1-the last stage.
That's not how this works tho.
That's why progression checks are also generally not implemented early on, because things change.
And what I now from people working in QA, that doesn't usually start until alpha states.
And I can guarantee you, 99% of dev teams within Nintendos lineup, have at least dev tools allowing to jump to certain points in game. Because it's how you build a game. You don't build dev tool into a game, you build the game around those tools. xD
@@neros_soren Yes of course you have tools that let you jump into the game at a certain point or certain level. That was my whole point. It's easier to just remove the item checks than to constantly figure out what exact items you should theoretically have at this point in time and add them to the level.
@@squelchedotter That's why I told you, that those checks aren't in palace at that point. You are not building the game as a player experiences it. Those checks are usually placed around the alpha/beta stage. Except for testing purposes.
That was the smoothest transition to a sponsor i have ever seen lmfao so unexpected aswell. You deserve a clap and a half for that one.
@@luciusdebeers6176 That just means the game is gaining popularity and if you don't like that, then ngl that's kinda hater behavior haha.
@@luciusdebeers6176The only thing I know about the game is that normies get triggered over the anime tank skins, and it’s funny to watch sometimes.
@@luciusdebeers6176 Actually they might be skins for the planes in the game… or both. I don’t remember which.
I did see the promotion ad for the anime skins, and I liked how they did it in the video.
Yeahhh it was smooth and now I miss that tank game from the n64 now.... There was a hover one that I use to always use.
@@JamesP7well, back in the day there was nosecone art ... although I doubt an WWII era planes would have anything resembling anime on them.
I have no doubt that they had speedruns in mind when putting such a large time investment in front of the Jet Run badge. The two runs having near-identical times might have even been specially tuned to allow either to be viable
Doing side quests for better abilities is just a generally common video game design.
Unlikely. If you play normally, Jet Run is basically on the normal route, it only becomes a detour if you skip W1 using glitches. That would imply that Nintendo knew about the glitch AND scpecifically tested speedrunning the game themselves AND THEN decided where to put the badge.
@@angrybirder9983Yes, that is how good game designers design games. That's the *opposite of unlikely* since we're talking about Nintendo
@@karmabeast No. Good game developers usually don't deliberately leave glitches in the game and spend time and effort (and money) trying to make the game more interesting for glitch speedruns.
Nintendo especially doesn't do this because they don't like speedrunners. Since they patched out the OOB glitch after speedrunners found it, it's very unlikely that they knew about it during development and designed the game specifically for speedruns using this glitch.
@@karmabeast this is one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever read about what people think game development is
I always love a good game-break but I can't help but feel kind of sad when they happen so soon after release. It's really fantastic work from all the speedrunners and glitch hunters, but it's sad to know that most likely it'll get patched away far too soon
4:51 hey, that's me! 17:46 and that's me again! :P
Amazing video Kosmic! You explained everything amazingly well. Keep it up!
For those seeing this comment; me and the glitch hunting crew are still working on the World Bowser skip. It's not easy, but we have a bunch of things to work with. Don't expect it to happen anytime soon, but it might just happen in the future!
wowie zowie that's you
Still think calling it the "holy grail" so soon is a bit dramatic, but doing all this in a month is still wildly impressive even with all the people theory crafting
Yeah, it does feel a little too soon to declare a Holy Grail for a game that hasn't even been out a full calendar year yet. But it does feel like what a Holy Grail skip should be.
It's not, tho. Generally, a holy grail, is a skip that cuts a lot of the game out of the run. Doesn't mean it has to take years to find to be that.
@@neros_soren true
@@neros_soren True, but calling it the "Holy Grail" implies that it's not just a skip, but THE skip. I can see what you mean, though.
Oot actually checks for the emerald thing for opening the door of time, so even tho you *should* have it any time you exit the forest, skipping it still locks you out of the master sword until you get it, or just, door of time skip.
Funny how Nintendo put that much faith in like 4 polygons of level geometry lol
Man I love your scripting. Everything is conveyed super clearly and the fluff in-between is always relevant and ties together
i wish we could have a new game+ w/ all badges unlocked. would love to see runners do the whole run w the jet run badge!
kosmic i love you but i’m begging you to change the font for your thumbnails i always think you’re karl jobst uploading when i get the notification
it’s not even the same font but it’s so tiny in the little notification image it tricks me every time
I thought the exact same thing.
Which came first, though? I actually don't know.
MitchFlowerPower uses the exact same thing too.
@@YakushiiI guess there's a Karl Jobst in all of us. ❤🎉
Lots of people use the yellow text to get your attention. It's a marketing tactic
i love karl jobst but everytime he uploads i think its kosmic :(
"What happens when you try to fight Bowser without the Royal Seed? Well--" *OOT title screen*
all my training has led me to this moment..! I knew exactly where this was going
My brain broke when you showed Mario bouncing on bubbles during the Jump to the Beat level. No. NO. You don't understand. That level BROKE ME. LMAO.
Omg we need a summoning salt video on this!
I'm so old.
The first mario I grew up with was super Mario Brothers. Super Mario bros 3 was a HUGE deal back in 1990
Kinda sucks that at this rate they’re barely gonna actually play the game it’s all over world movement
This video turned out great! This isn't the first video which covers the topic, but it's by far the best.
Great work on the script, storytelling, shown scenes, music and video in general.
I've been waiting for a video like this to finally show my friends how broken Wonder actually is. It is not only informative, but also entertaining.
I would absolutely be interested in a jet run vs fast dash video. I already spend most nights going through and watching your huge backlog of videos
Keep it up Kosmic! I'm happy to see you're getting sponsorships again after what you said a couple of videos back - wishing you all the best sir!!!
I know you mostly do Mario vids, but you should really check out the speedruns of early Zelda TOTK versions. I have a feeling Wonder will follow the same recent trend (of early, non-patched versions being preferential to later versions for speedruns)
"Are you my Master?" - Mario, probably
wonderful video! informative and accurate on the main points
this game truly evolved super fast, it's been super fun to play with for the last month
Amazing! I absolutely love the community work together to figure out all this sick speedrun tricks!
Me about to comment over my lunch: This is Nintendo, watch this get pat-
Cosmic in the middle of me saying the sentence: 14:34
Amazingly told. Def the best wonder speedrunning analysis out there
If they give us a Mario Maker with this game as a style, the Jet Run kaizo levels are gonna be absolutely crazy.
So nice to see kosmic talk about games besides super mario bros and 2j, such a breath of fresh air
What's interesting about Jet Run is that you can get a Jet Run 2 badge in World 6 without having ever collected the first Jet Run badge in World 1. And remember, Any% has a World 6 OOB, and you can do World 6 before 4 and 5. So i think the chances of this 2nd Jet Run badge getting routed into Any%-along with a World 6 first route-sometime in the near future are very likely.
I think that’s impossible unfortunately since the one that needs 25 wonder seeds is the Jet Run batch.
Was really looking forward to the speedrunning scene behind this game when I saw the trailers for it. The games release and subsequent community went almost entirely over my radar, so this video is a godsend. Would absolutely love to see how people blast through the game with the jet run badge, I only briefly heard of it and didnt know it was simply in the first world; my favorite kinds of speedruns are the type that involve actually playing the game as intended whilst still shaving seconds with routes that the devs never saw coming. Overall great video, would love to see a second part : )
Man thank you kosmic for all of those video.
Its really amazing what Mario became after all those years.I still tear up remember how i and my parents played super mario bros.Now after some years i will play with my parents and my kids again.Mario for life !!!
Wonderful video Kosmic! It was a fun time to watch :) Thank you. ❤
Perfectly explained! As a Wonder speedrunner, yes I can say the World 1 skip is so hard 😂😂
It took me like 2 hours to learn how to do it without falling off rofl
@@Kosmicd12 i still can’t do it 😝
18:54 it looks like the teleportation glitch has the same effects as a rail system, like for selecting levels. Maybe the game didn't always have an open world, so all of them have a "rail," but it is invisible and mostly unused, under the map. So when you fall underneath the map and hit a rail, it will bring you to the next level, depending on what direction you are inputting. I can't see how else they would travel in such a deliberate way when that happens, directly towards a level with no rails for it in the first place. However, I wonder when they decided to change it to a 3d overworld since that would influence how much actually has that unused railway mechanic. It did seem like it happened in the last world, but there has to be a specific spot to fall into that would detect you as on the path. I don't have the game myself, or I would be testing these ideas personally, but I can just throw the idea out there as is, lol.
Oh my god the transition into the sponsor was great
Updates like this one is why I get physical releases whenever I can. I can always (delete my saves to) downpatch Mario Odyssey, Tears of the Kingdom and Mario Wonder to play with 1.0 glitches.
Super interesting and informative video! And I love the thumbnail with the left-aligned title. :P
Also, yes, please, I'd like a video about Jet Run vs Fast Dash!
Great video, Kosmic! It was nice seeing those monumental skips before Wonder, let’s us know we’re about to see something juicy!
Do the all royal seeds jet run vs fast dash video! I just love watching jet run speedruns particularly, so I'm glad it was determined to be viable.
Fricken LOVED that battletanx reference into the sponsor, I grew up with that game as well[never played the sequel, but have been intrigued]
For Pokemon checks, the games got progressively worse at checking for badges, at least for the first 4 generations. In Gen 1, each guard checks for a separate badge, and even with out of bounds tricks, only the 1st and 8th guards can be skipped. In Gen 2, the guard checks for all 8 badges, though the trigger is only one tile big, so if you glitch the map, you can walk around it.
In the Gen 3 Hoenn games, the guards only check for the 6th badge. This is because you need the 8th for Waterfall to get there, the 7th for Dive to get the 8th, the 5th for Surf, and the first 4 to get the 5th.
In Gen 4, I don't think the guards check for anything. I know the guards in the Gen 2 remakes don't, because speed runners will use out of bounds tricks to get there early. (Diamond and Pearl speed runs just bike to the hall of fame, so they don't even see the guards).
My main belief as to why Wonder doesn't have warps is the fact that it is a Yoshi's Island tribute, which also doesn't have warps.
Huh. Do you mean because of the overworld structure? Or because Wonder flowers are like touching fuzzies? what is your reasoning for that
Okay but can we appreciate the shift into the ad? One of the smoothest transitions into a sponsor I've seen tbh
The way some youtubers transition into sponsors are so seamless and clever that I'm not even mad i have to watch an ad
Hahaha, just when i was thinking about typing "They'll most likely patch it", Future Kosmic in the video said it XD
11:11 You should've said "Kosmic from the future here, it's true!", as a random joke, haha!
Pretty cool, even with the huge loss from the update, to see speedrun strats and changes!
That AD transition was just ridiculously smooth. Good job.
Bro, Istg speedrunners never fail to amaze me lmao increedible!! New sub
That was fast it’s soo cool watching Mario speed runs
In your video with the parts, the little music that plays reminds me of super paper, Mario
Aaaaaaand, Nintendo patched all the good glitches.
I kind of think runners should hold off on revealing glitches for a couple of years, so Nintendo doesn't patch them.
I would definitely like to see more about using different badges. It's great to see how quickly speedrunners destroy popular platformers like this
Those Jet Run plus Bubble Flower moves are slick.
Thank you for sharing this!
Awesome video! I love this game!
It's a big shame that the glitch was patched, but I don't doubt that another glitch will be discovered that will allow us to skip the first half of the game again.
21:20 YO CHAT THATS ME DUDE
ive actually beat that run by 4f LMFAO
BATTLE TANX! I haven't played that game in so long. Me and my sister would play that game for hours. The good old days of split screen.
Jumping out of the world edge gives the definition “platformer” to a whole new level with this speedrun.
bro I LOVE how you did your sponsor
kosmic your almost at 200k subscribers, nice!
Thank you for making the video!
Dang this is so sick! Thanks for this video.
Just wait until I start running this game then you’re gonna see some amazing stuff, I’m well good at it, like wow
Would love to see a video on jet run vs fast dash keep up the great content.
That sponsor transition was seamless I laughed so hard
That is absolutely amazing!
You almost had me with that Battle Tanks footage
I remember the "You can get on M64 castle to get a yoshi" as the holy grail of trolling
That Battle Tanx shoutout. I felt that nostalgia
1:45 One of the Battle Tanx games! Someone else remembers them? Don't know which one, since I most remember played the Ps1 Global Assault but that ammo icon is distinct
Very smooth transition to sponsor haha nicely done!
9:18 CountLG and GSR (AKA No IM/WW) recognition. Ya love to see it
That is insanely impressive that the title was completely broken all within a month :0
You going to make a new mainline shirt with wonder on it? I’m rocking my hoodie now and it’s missing a game! Love the content by the way!
Mario speed runners: “I *wonder* how we’ll break the next game…”
Super Mario Wonder: “I got ya covered”
3:38 wait hold on, is that SilentWolf? The Melee legend?
yet another certified banger from mr kosmic
Me and my brother were not prepared for Jet Run's absurd power.
Yes please for fast dash vs fast run route!
There is a reason for developers not to explicitly check for key items. If a player gets the later McGuffins but not the former, then that doesn't necessarily mean that the player managed to skip getting the item, it just means something went wrong. It could just as well be that the player got the McGuffin, but that it somehow didn't register, or was somehow un-gotten. In this case the player would be hard locked into not being able to complete the game as key items can't be gotten twice. And it's more important to prevent a lock than it is to keep canonical consistency with the story, ergo players should pass with the minimum requirements.
Also, it probably makes the code look better, nobody likes if statements that go off the page or onto a new line. Two checks just look better.
It's funny how people try so painstakingly hard to do so little in the game to beat it instead of actually putting in the work and beating it
so cool!
speedrunners really break games apart! lol
Speedrunners are insane, they are a different breed.
8:00 IT'S MARIO ODYSSEY FMS ALL OVER AGAIN
0:06 that trophy is so retro...
Great video, bro!
normal wonder speedrunning video where jhays chat is blurred 👍
this game has many layers it’s kinda nuts
My brother and sister gave me a Nintendo switch for Christmas with Mario wonder, it’s a beautiful game, I might try to speed run it someday 😏
Great video!
Alright I have to admit that was a very smooth ad segway.
more wonder videos please!
one thing I've noticed is that the "final" world in the game technically isn't its own world. When you check the course menu, it's considered part of petal isles. Does that mean it's always loaded? and if so, where? And if the final level is always available, does that mean you could skip world one, then teleport straight from petal isles to the final level, beat it, and end time after only playing four levels? (unless the first three are skippable, but I haven't heard anything about that)
New speedrun categories are going to be made because of this.
Sweet Battletanx cameo!