ASUS ROG Strix Z790 E Gaming WiFi Motherboard Overview Slots and Storage
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- Today We're Answering a Subscriber Question! The ASUS ROG Strix Z790 E Gaming WiFi Motherboard Overview of Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations! The Specifications will be Our Outline. Using Four pieces of Documentation this time, Motherboard Manual, Bios Manual, ASUS Thunderbolt 4 card Compatibility support and ASUS Bifurcation Chart. We have Three Slots, 5 M.2 Connectors and Four SATA Ports. There will be give and take with Shared Resources. We'll separate CPU Lanes from Chipset Lanes.
Notes:
1. 20 CPU PCIe Lanes - PCIe 4.0 & 5.0
2. Bios: PCIe Bandwidth Bifurcation Configuration
[X8/X8]
Split up PCIEX16(G5) that runs X16 into X8/X8.
3. 28 Chipset PCIe Lanes - PCIe 3.0 & 4.0
4. Thunderbolt 4 - PCIEX16(G4)_2 slot only!
Links:
1. ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WiFi
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2. ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO
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3. Intel Core i9-13900K Processor
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4. ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 with Intel Thunderbolt 4 JHL 8540 Controller, 2 USB Type-C Ports / USB4
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See: ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 Card Compatible Model List - 14-1 Pin Header
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5. Intel Z790 Chipset
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6. ASUS 2 [Motherboard] Compatibility of PCIE Bifurcation between Hyper M.2 series Cards and Add-On Graphic Cards - Official Support -
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7. AVerMedia GC573 Live Gamer 4K, Internal Capture Card, Stream and Record 4K60 [X4]
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I've been in tech for 37 years, nowadays you don't hear people discussing the bus architecture or understanding it. Great instructional video covering data movement across the motherboard!
Hi Jeff,
Welcome! You're right! Most People are not aware of what they are Buying by accepting what is being Marketed and Sold. PCIe Resource allocations are always limited where there are Shared Resources. And Motherboards such as this, with this Chipset, are all hype. Not enough substance. We cannot afford to be losing PCIe Lanes! Appreciate Your Comments!
That's because 90% of the CZcamsrs who make PC review and build videos don't have this kind of technical knowledge. The fact they have millions of subscribers doesn't help them know anything useful about computers. All they are good for is making RGB porn.
@@BuildOrBuycan you advice the best z790 board which is Bang for buck?
Hi@@JosephKarthic,
Welcome! Touch call. We do not care for that Chipset. From Our perspective, that's a neutered Chipset due to the way that Chipset allocates PCIe Resources. Especially when Bifurcation is required. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy ok, the last time i bought a motherboard is in 2010, an asus p7p55de, now i want to upgrade, im a casual gamer and chosen the i5 13600k, but i welcome any good suggestions for my upgrade..
Man, where did Gill go? 7 months, and no new videos. His videos are focused, direct, and informative. I hope all is well in his world, and he comes back with some new content soon.
NM, sorted by newest and saw the responses. Looking forward to some awesome new videos. Keep it up!!!
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Been extremely busy adding new Production capabilities! And that aspect has taken on a life of its own. Always Answering Subscribers Questions!
Hello Eric,
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Finally deep dives into the technology. There are too many channels that just skim along the surface. Thanks for the hard work you do.
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Now this is amazing. I'm learning without getting frustrated. Thank you for such an educational video without jokes, nonsense or a cat walking around.
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Thank you for making this so many people in this new pc hype generation don’t understand why we bought HEDT back in the day pcie lanes were one of the main reasons , really enjoyed the video straight forward and to the point will be subbing 💯💪🏼
Hi Josh K,
Welcome! Great point! Spot on! What Intel brought forth with X299 then AMD X399 was amazing! Why would anyone settle for less. We know better! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support!
This guy is the best. Even though I bought a new board I’ll still be watching all the videos to be more informed about all of them.
Hi Luke Braddford,
Welcome! I'm honored! Very much Appreciate Your Comments! PCIe allocations are absolutely fascinating! We definitely need more PCIe Resources! Intel is lacking on that front whereas AMD is stepping up and raising the bar! Think about this, allegedly 20 CPU PCIe Lanes whittled down to actually 16 useable CPU PCIe Lanes vs 24 usable CPU PCIe Lanes plus 4! The edge with Intel is the 8 DMI Lanes from CPU to Chipset. Whereas AMD uses 4 CPU PCIe Lanes from CPU to Primary Chipset. AMD is still the better value. And none of these Motherboards should cost over $500. The AMD 7950X CPU has been very aggressively priced! Lots to keep up with!
Technical, detailed and precise !!! Well done !!!
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Awesome videos, sir! I like that you take your time to explain stuff and make everything clear. Cheers from Romania!
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Love this content, no bs just hard details. My other pc sites get way to distracted. Thank you for a new subscriber.
Hello Johnny,
Welcome! I'm honored! No Bovine Scitology here! Just the layout of PCIe Resource facts! You'll never look at another Motherboard the same way again! Solving Problems and Providing Solutions! Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Speaking of which, working on a DDR5 Video. Too much obfuscation from Vendors!
Wow! I’m just getting into building gaming pc and this video has been the best video I have found. The educational information! Fantastic, keep it up ! 🙌🏼
Hi ImRoss,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! An eye opener on what We're expected to tolerate. Crazy, right! Keep it Simple and Make it Work!
Hi Gill, I can't wait for this to start.
Hi JayzBeerze,
Excellent! I'm honored! PCIe Resources on this Motherboard are Shared and somewhat obfuscated. Fascinating how that's done. And says a lot about the Z790 Chipset!
Great explanation. Watched the whole thing. Thank you for taking the time to produce such content.
Hello Mario,
Welcome! Excellent! Appreciate Your Comments! You'll never look at a Motherboard the same way again now that You know!
Love this, I'm slowly learning how to follow these! Great teacher.
Hi E S,
Welcome! Essential to understand Resource allocations for Slots and Storage. Especially when said Resources are Shared vs Dedicated. Appreciate Your Comments! We like to Keep it Simple and Make it Work! We think doing a Motherboard Overview as such is essential before moving forward on any Motherboard Reviews! This is like hiding in front of Us and once We realize what We're looking at and trying to use, We now understand the What, Why and How of what's right and what's wrong! Hence, not enough Resources! Hope that helps!
WOW!
Thank you for the video!!
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Absolutely outstanding information - credit to you sir for spending the time and effort on explaining more clearly what I'm reading in the manual.
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Welcome! Excellent! Appreciate Your Comments! Clarity! Solving Problems and Providing Solutions!
EXCELLENT video - many thanks :)
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Welcome. Appreciate your comments.
Very insightful as always - thank you
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Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Thank You for Watching! Interesting Chipset. Intel can do better!
Another amazing video and again, thank you. I have the Z790-F with 4 Samsung 980 Pros being utilized.
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Welcome! Outstanding! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Success with Your Build! That should tied You over until We can get PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe Drives!
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Great instructional video, Thank you
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man!...this guy is awesome!
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The contributions that you give to the Tech community are EPIC!!! You are a treasure to our community. I've learned so much watching your tutorials on bifurcation and express lanes. I have the Asus Z790-F motherboard and I'm truly enjoying its capabilities. The only gripe I have is my download speeds being slower over Ethernet for some reason. My older systems have much faster download speeds. I have the latest BIOS.
In regards to storage I'm using 4 Samsung 980 Pro NVME M.2 drives. In the BIOS I enabled XMP II to take advantage of the memory which is Gskill Trident Z DDR5 7200. I also enabled the A.I. Overclock which does an amazing job on its own for overclocking. The 13900k runs extremely stable and very cool with the NZXT Kraken.
Hi TheDigitalJedi,
Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! The issue You're having could be an issue that was suppose to have been resolved or exhausted due to the Intel 2.5Gbps Chip. Nothing about the Z790 Chipset, yet!
ASUS Motherboards with Intel I225-V 2.5Gb NIC loss/disconnects/no connection to router/NIC not showing in device manager. This is according to an article on Reddit. Link below:
www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/kppyoi/psa_asus_motherboards_with_intel_i225v_25gb_nic/
This goes back 2 years and to reiterate, should have been resolved by now. Odd. Check Your Intel 2.5Gbps Chip for the Stepping / Revision. If that's not the issue then I can't help but wonder about Chipset PCIe Lane allocations. That should be 1 Dedicated PCIe Lane. However, I wonder if it's Shared. Without a Block Diagram, up for conjecture. Hope that helps! Keep Us informed on Your Chip Revision. We need more Data on this! Odd ASUS does not mention which 2.5Gbps Intel Chip they are using. That would help.
Tell Us more about Your Router Brand and Model.
Bifurcation and PCIe Resource allocations are extremely important. Neither of which is going away!
Yes, ASUS makes Overclocking easy! Enjoy Your Build!
@@BuildOrBuy Oh wow I can't believe I missed your wonderful reply. My apologies. I'm working alot of hours LOL! I have the 1226-V on my Z790-F. I changed my Speed and Duplex setting from Automatic to 2.5gb Full Duplex and it helps. My download speeds have increased to an average of 750 - 800mbps down, whereas before the speeds fluctuated from 133mbps to 550mbps down.
The router I have is the CGM4331COM from Xfinity. My package is 1200mbps down and 50mbps up. My older Alienware system has the Killer E-3000 which is phenomenal. My download speeds are always 1000mbps to almost 1200 mbps down.
I truly hope a driver release will fix this issue on the Z790-F. I'm praying it's not the hardware. The board is awesome otherwise.
@@BuildOrBuy I used Ookla Speedtest and selected the nearest server locations before conducting all test. Sometimes while downloading my games from Steam I have noticed a disconnect and then the download resumes.
Before I changed the setting from Automatic to Full Duplex 2.5gb my test were all over the place. I noticed my speeds would start high around 900mbps and then drop tremendously to 450mbps or below before the Speedtest is completed.
Hi@@thedigitaljedi3243,
All good. Glad You found a partial Solution for now. Yes, a Driver Update would be nice. Thanks for Sharing!
Hi@@thedigitaljedi3243,
Very sporadic fluctuations! We always must Test and Verify!
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Nice video. Instantly subscribed. Thanks for breaking that down and saving me a brain hemorrhage
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Welcome. Just now seeing Your comment. Thank You. Much Appreciated. Lots to ponder.
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From the Dark Side of the Moon... Welcome! Excellent! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Keep it Simple and Make it Work!
This was super helpful, I am buying this board and a Gen5 nvme this weekend and this helped me better understand what I was getting into when planning my other storage options.
Hi SPQRpraetorian,
Welcome! Outstanding! Of the 5 We know of to be Released, which one were You able to Source and from where? We've only seen one in Japan. Otherwise, crickets.
@@BuildOrBuy My Micro Center in Yonkers NY has the Inland TD510 in stock, I checked the stock of other NY Micro Centers and they all had stock of that drive as well. We might finally be seeing the drives in the wild now.
My plan is to install the TD510 in the Gen 5 M.2 slot and my currently owned 3090ti in the GPU slot. I have 3 other nvme drives that will go into the chipset M.2 slots. This is amore of an upgrade than a full build, the back panel on my current motherboard has failing ports.
Hi@@spqrpraetorian,
Thanks for Sharing! That Inland TD510 appears to be exclusive to Micro Center! Most interesting.
Failing Rear I/O Ports sounds like effects from ESD. Not good. Any other random issues? Any Power Surges lately?
Almost 10k subs im supriced that you know these stuff as people dont even know a pc is i just discovered you wish you good
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Welcome! Seems not many realize the relevance nor implications! Thank You very much! Appreciate Your Comments!
Fox noose kills. Great video btw!
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Great channel. Your review and opinions on the new Threadripper Pro and non Pro would be great!
Hi Peter?
Welcome. Thank you. Just now seeing Your comment. Great question. Most definitely. That's where we're headed, HEDT or Workstation. A Consumer Desktop Motherboard just does not have the Resources to do everything everyone wants or expects. A difference in building a maybe 2 year computer vs a 4 or 5 year computer. Either way, options and choices whether a little or a lot.
Собираю очередной компьютер себе, и как раз столкнулся с описанной вами проблемой - раздвоение. Спасибо за отличный обзор! Долгих лет жизни и здоровья вам!
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Translated for anyone else reading Our Comments!
I am assembling another computer for myself, and just ran into the problem you described - a split. Thanks for the great review! Long life and health to you!
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Thanks interesting info.
Hi james wubbolt,
That's a mess! Most Viewers don't realize how that plays out with those PCIe Resources and Shared but losing 4 CPU PCIe Lanes when We need more not less! More obfuscation! Crazy, right! Thanks for Your Comments and Watching!
I appreciate this, I see a lot of builders using this MOBO and splitting the lane between the GPU and an SSD M.2_1 and no one addresses the issue.
Hi Temp File,
Welcome! Thank You! We Appreciate Your Comments! Tsk, Tsk on Everyone else. Know better, do better! If one knows the consequences, fine. But to blindly follow the crowd, not fine! Everyone should know their Lane count and where those Shared Resources are going and why that works the way it does. Know the Plumbing! All about Slots and Storage of PCIe Resource allocations!
And what’s the problem with that 8/8 config, if no modern GPU uses the bandwidth of 16? Not even a 4090 as far as I know.
Hi@@tannhaeuser,
A choice made for Us or an Option to choose. We're reading Reports of a 1% to 2% Performance hit. One User Reported in a 4K configuration without details of a 20% Performance hit using X8 Lanes. As always, this is something else everyone should Test and Verify. Your Results may vary. We definitely need more quantifiable Data on those Stats. A concern to be aware of if not already. Appreciate Your Comments!
Hey Gill! Love the channel, learning heaps from you. Keen to hear your thoughts on latest AMD Threadripper HEDT offerings when some motherboards surface! Keep up the awesome work 🙂
Hi Nathan,
Welcome! Outstanding! Announced 5 hours ago! Any fresher, We'd have to Slap it! Two Chipsets! WRX90 and TRX50! This will be fantastic! Stay tuned!
Best damn explanation and video ive seen in a while. No gimmicks no bull shit.
Hello FastLikePuma,
Welcome! Amen to that! Definitely Appreciate Your Comments! Thank You for Watching!
will using gen 4 m.2 affect gpu preformance like it does with gen 5 m.2? sorry to spam
man this was excellent.
Hi Scott,
Welcome. Just now seeing Your comment. Much appreciated. Have to do an Overview before going any farther. All about available Resources.
Hi @BuildOrBuy,
It's been awhile since we've seen one of your awesome tutorials. I hope all is well.
Hello thedigitaljedi,
Welcome. Yes. Thank You very much. Been busy. Added to production capabilities and that has taken off. Bills to pay. Working on future videos for BuildOrBuy. Hopefully soon. Right now, I answer questions. We don't always get notified of comments.
Your videos have helped me so much back when i was using the gigabyte designare trx40 board. I am now using the Asus wrx 90 board with the threadripper 7000 cpus. What a can of worms that is! I hope your well and thanks so much for the great videos and help with these more niche professional focused issues. Make more videos ! Were are you!?
Hi MNPKN,
Welcome. Appreciate your comments. Planning on it. Been busy with Clients. Added to my Production capabilities. And that has taken all of my time. Congrats on your new Build. Smart move.
I'm starting my build tomorrow with this board, I was confused whether to install my 980 pro 4.0 m.2 boot drive on the gen5 m.2, but after seeing this I'm definitely not doing that. Thank you!
Hi Vick,
Welcome! Good timing! All about Clarity! Glad We could help! Enjoy Your Build!
@@BuildOrBuy I can still use the PCIEX16(G5) slot to connect my 3080ti and run it at its full x16 bandwidth correct(? The configuration I'm planning is M.2_2(socket 3) for my boot drive, M.2_3(socket 3) for my game drive. I appreciate your help and reply! I'm glad your video showed up on my recommended list, a true godsend! :)
Hi@@vick7490,
As long as You stay away from M.2_1, GPU will be X16! Crazy what We deal with regarding Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations!
To reiterate,
1. M.2_2, to CPU, Dedicated.
2. M.2_3 through Chipset, Dedicated.
Thank You! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments and Support! Success on Your Build!
@@vick7490How is your motherboard behaving? WiFi connections, network, booting into Windows?
nice video, gave me a clear answer if I should buy it and what to do when I do buy it.
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Great vid! I haven't been a part of the comments and your vids in a while. I see that you haven't done any other vid in a year. Hope you're doing well and Merry Christmas.
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Good to hear from You! Added Aerials to Our Production capabilities. Wow that's taken off. Been very busy with Aerials. I'm now FAA 107 Certificated. Fascinating!
We're working on more BuildOrBuy videos, DDR5 and HEDT. Stay tuned! And Merry Christmas!
@@BuildOrBuy
Yes but you could have said it! A 30 sec vid where you say: "guys to much to do! See you in..."
I was very worried. Luckily you're fine! The new HEDTs are out!
Your review is urgently needed!
You Are The Number One! 😃🤗
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great video , as always 😊
we need more nvme coolers gen 5 😅
have u ever heard of the
ThermalRight HR-10 2280 PRO SSD heatsink?
Hello DevilsCut7564,
Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! Heard of it. Have no experience with it yet. Yes, We definitely need more Cooling Solutions! The faster We go, with current Designs, the hotter We get! Thanks for Watching!
I've been watching HOURS of your M.2 Heatsink and Thermal Pad testing. I hope you start making video again soon. May I suggest videos on PTM7950 PHASE CHANGE THERMAL PAD, you can buy them from the LLT store, would love to see if they work on M.2 but also would love to see you test them on CPU and GPU. Just found your videos a couple days ago and love how you test stuff and hope you return soon.
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Fantastic video with a great walkthrough, liked and subscribed.
What would your recommendation be for maximum gaming performance regarding where to install the M.2 drive? the SN850X runs PCIe 4 only so is there any point in using the M.2_1 socket at all?
Without knowing about lanes and just getting into it after watching this video, do i lose performance of the M.2 not using the M.2_1 socket? feel like the GPU for gaming should be allowed all lanes it needs, question is if it needs 16 lanes or if the gpu loses out running on 8X lanes
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Asus ROG strix z790 E Gaming Wifi
2GB WD BLACK SN850X NVMe
Asus TUF RTX 4080
Intel i7 13700K
32GB G.Skill DDR5 6400MHz
Samsung G9 Neo 49" monitor
Hi VictorLo,
Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support! Until We have an M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 Drive, no need nor reason to utilize M.2_1. And even then the PCIe Bus is no longer about the GPU. It's all about the M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives! Of which, PCIe 5.0 are still not available yet! To reiterate, Your GPU in a X8 Slot should be fine if and when We get those Drives! Nice Setup! You'll want that Drive and You'll be ready when the time comes. Our Point, everyone should know up front what's going on with Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations! Too much Obfuscation! Enjoy Your Build! But keep in mind the Speed differences, PCIe 4.0 to 7,200MBps up to PCIe 5.0 initially at 10,000MBps for the M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives! And beyond! Will that make a difference? Depends. Everything matters! And changing one thing can change everything! Tweak, Test and Verify! Just keep everything running cool! Faster is also hotter until Designs change!
Great info, so different than the normal tech reviews, excellent focus on the important details! So is the best config for a standard gaming rig with an RTX 4090 and a single M.2 NVMe drive to obviously have the GPU in the top x16 slot, but the SSD in M.2_2 slot? Or is it better to have it in M.2_1 and just have them both running in x8 mode? Will this matter at all?
Hi Scott,
Appreciate Your Comments! Excellent Question! A Choice made by Us or for Us. That's the rub. The GPU is no longer Driving the Bus. The M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives the Bus since PCIe 3.0. A GPU on a X8 Slot should be fine. Not a choice We'd knowingly make but it is what it is.
Hope that this man is alive and well
Hi imt558delux,
To reiterate, Welcome! Busy Answering Subscribers Questions! Going through really terrible sinus infection. Had to see a Dr this time around. What an ordeal. Thanks for Asking. If You have a Question, We do Our best to help!
Glad to know you’re doing well! I just got the notification of availability (finally) for Gen5 M.2 Nvme SSD’s from crucial.
Read and writes are around 11 & 12GB’s.
Retails around $180 for 1TB.
In the future do you plan on making videos on Gen 5 drives? My main concern is the amount of heat they’ll generate with that crazy speed.
Hello LM8,
Welcome. Just now seeing Your comments. Been busy since increasing Production capabilities. Bills to pay. Heat is definitely an issue. Based on current designs, the faster we go, the hotter we get. From our Test and Verify Videos we've experienced, Passive Cooling is more effective than Active Cooling. Go figure. Yes, that's the plan. And now PCIe 7 is in the works with insane speeds, comparatively. Has to be new Designs. PCIe 5.0 was definitely growing pains. Who knows how long PCIe 6.0 will last. That may be brief. As to our next Videos, we were working on DDR5 and M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0. But that may change quickly and drastically. None of the Consumer Desktop Motherboards can do what everyone wants and needs. Nest step, HEDT or Workstation.
Gil, hey thanks for posting these vids. Found your channel via search for "build or buy". Tremendous info and no BS! Like that. Earlier this year you posted a build for a gaming PC built around a GB Aorus Master MB, AMD 7950x Ryzen 9 CPU and GB Geforce RTX 3060 graphics card. I bought all the parts via you links you provided (thanks!) and am building it now. I've built machines before but it's been a long time and I'm back to newb status. Anyway I've put it together, it posts with a single beep and I get to the AMI screen with message to Enter Setup. I'm stalled here as, for whatever reason the 3 x 200mm Thermaltake case fans aren't running and assume they should be.
During startup I get a single red flash from LED3 on the top case panel.
I assume tAny idea why the fans aren't working?
Bill
Hi Bill,
Welcome. Thank you. Just now seeing Your comments. Where are you on this? What was causing the POST? Was it just taking a long time to POST? If so, memory Training. That can be turned off after the 1st time to speed up Boot strap process.
Thank you
Hi King Pettway,
Welcome! Thank You for Watching!
Wow’. You expanded my brain! Just got one of these and am a bit confused as to what slot should I use my 4 TB. PCIE M.2 card in? Also, which lane should ai install a sound card on? Realtek just doesn’t do it for me.
Hello White Wolf,
Welcome. Crazy, right. A different way of looking at Motherboards based on Resources. Do not use M.2_1. Your Soundcard, which one are you going to utilize? Those other 2 Slots are using Chipset PCIe Lanes. If Bus prioritization is an issue, suggest using Slot 2. GPU will reside in primary Slot using CPU PCIe Lanes.
My brains just exploded. Thank You for sharing that information. I just also understood I got Z690 and all that information cuold be different. Anyway You are God to understand and explain all that. Still brains gone so...
Hi spacesnow,
Welcome! I'm honored! You'll never look at a Motherboard the same way now! Know better, expect more! Yes, Design vs Implementation. Every Motherboard allocates PCIe Resources differently. With Consumer Desktop Motherboards, Shared Resources. Crazy, right. Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
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Hello Jolly Green,
Welcome! Excellent! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
I am new to PC building and these videos are amazing. Question; If I have GPU in PCIEX16(G5) would that mean I do not want to use slot M.2_1 and use M.2_2 and _3 for two NVME drives? Thanks!
Hi Anthony M,
Welcome! Once You Build, You'll want to Build again! Anything else is less than satisfactory or acceptable. Great Question! Correct! Otherwise, PCIEX16(G5) will be utilizing 8 CPU PCIe Lanes! Crazy, right. And Yes, that's going to work. However, why accept that choice. That's the problem with Consumer Desktop Motherboards with Shared PCIe Resources! Not ideal. Remember the GPU is no longer the driving force on the Bus. Now, the M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive is the determining factor. We need more PCIe Resources for both CPU and Chipset Lanes! Hope that helps! Success on Your Build!
BTW: On a side note, the Intel Z790 Chipset does not allow for the CPU Lanes to be fully Bios Bifurcated. What is Bifurcation? The ability to Fork or Split. In other words, from X16 to X8X8 instead of X4X4X4X4 as is required. And to reiterate, Bios Bifurcation ony occurs on CPU PCIe Lanes! Not Chipset Lanes. Why does that matter? If installing a Quad card, We need those CPU Lanes! Each M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive requires 4 Lanes hence from X16 to X4X4X4X4. Fascinating right! Experience is the best teacher! Enjoy!
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In a nutshell, I have retired recently and now looking for a gaming computer. My main interest is flight simulation, racing, and some video editing. Could you possibly give your recommendation for CPU, GPU and Motherboard? I had chosen Intel i9 13900K, NVIDIA RTX 4090 Founders Edition, and ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WIFI, that is until I watched your video.
Hello Henry,
Welcome! All boils down to PCIe Resources! You want either a HEDT or a Workstation! And Budget! Appreciate Your Comments! Fascinating Topic!
@@BuildOrBuy The Strix Z790 E had many great reviews and recommendations. I'm glad I happened to find your review which exposed the limitations of this motherboard. Why does a manufacturer produce higher end consumer motherboards with additional expansion slots that, if used, inhibits the performance of the machine? My intention was to utilize a System Integrator as I do not have sufficient knowledge to make sound decisions. Also, a System Integrator would provide a warrantee as well as much needed tech support. I was willing to pay the extra cost for peace of mind. The system I had settled on was nearly 6k, and that, in my opinion, is more than enough for a great gaming pc. However, it looks like I would have received this inadequate motherboard. Now the process begins again and unfortunately, I don't know who I can trust.
Hello Gil Boyd! Another great and instructional video. Thank-you!. I'm a long time subscriber and even go back to your days at HALPC. I have a question. Is there any way you'll ever do another "If I Were To Build A PC Today" type video? I haven't seen one in forever and I'm getting ready to build or buy another soon and would like to hear your take on current computer build landscape. Doesn't need to be a live build; if all you did was recommend CPU/MB/PS/Case combinations at a couple price points, that would be awesome and I know would help out a LOT of folks. Much appreciate your work!
Hi fred ve,
Welcome! Definitely Appreciate Your Comments! Lots of memories! Excellent Question! Glad You've brought that up! Miss Our Live Meetings!
That series needs a new life! Great minds run in the same channel! Been mulling over that thought for some time. The problem and the solution. Doing Our BuildOrBuy Live was a different audience and a different format. Doing BuildOrBuy CZcams requires a different finesse. For CZcams every Video has SEO - Search Engine Optimization. I don't know nor expect a, "If I Were Building..." Video to have the same Traction according to the Search Algorithm based on SEO. Most of Our Viewers are not Subscribers but this might help that to change! A Definite possibility.
The other Aspect is the technology. We're undergoing remarkable fundamental changes right now.
For BuildOrBuy Live, We Specified and Built Business Computers for work. Those Specs were simple compared to what's possible now.
For BuildOrBuy CZcams We have 4 Categories to choose from.
1. Consumer Desktop Motherboard
2. Business Computer
3. HEDT
4. Workstation
Our focus has always been about:
1. Technology
2. Best Value proposition of Price and Performance Quotient
3. Bang for the Buck!
The Categories are fairly Constant.
The technologies are in a state of Flux!
Two Timelines are about to collide.
1. Product Cycles.
2. Technology
What's coming will make everything else seem obsolete. Therfore How do We right now say one thing when in maybe 6 months that will be obsolete!
Two technologies to be watching:
1. CXL- Compute Express Link
2. NVMe Key Value Command Set
Now to Your Question, if I were Building a Computer today, the HEDT was the best Value foe longevity and upgradeability. However, both AMD and Intel have abandoned that Platform temporarily. The HEDT bridged the gap from a Consumer Desktop Motherboard to a Workstation. Intel may have new Chipsets for that soon. Expect AMD to follow.
For a Consumer Desktop Motherboard, X670E chipset. Probably Gigabyte. Everything now is about Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations.
1. X670E AORUS Master (AM5/ LGA 1718/ AMD X670E/ EATX/ 5 Year Warranty/ DDR5/ Quad M.2, PCIe 5.0/ USB 3.2 Gen2X2 Type-C/Intel WiFi 6E/ Intel 2.5GbE LAN/Q-Flash Plus/Gaming Motherboard)
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7. Boot Drive - M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive
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@@BuildOrBuy Gil Boyd! All I can say is YOU ARE THE MAN! Lots of info here to digest. Thank-you!
Hi@@fredve3984,
Certainly We try! Since PCIe 3.0 and the M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive, both have drastically altered what We're doing with Building a Computer! The GPU is no longer Driving the Bus. To reiterate, the M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, Drives the Bus! That's the Why behind the Motherboard Overview Videos which are focused on Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations. Consumer Desktop Motherboards have limited Shared PCIe Resources. Most Viewers are not aware of that fact. Due to that fact, not all of the Connectors can be used simultaneously. Hassle but workable. Hope that insight help! Appreciate Your continued Support!
@@BuildOrBuy Wow! This is fantastic info. Thank-you. What operating system would you recommend? Windows 11 or stick with 10? Again thanks for posting this!!!
Hi@@robertbeverly,
Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! Windows 10 is less hassle. Windows 11 needs more work. Keep it Simple!
So, 3 months passed since last answer. Hope this man is alive and well.
Hello imt558delux,
Welcome! Answering Subscribers Questions on a regular basis across multiple Videos! Currently adding to Our Production capabilities! I'm now a Certified Commercial Drone Pilot!
Fantastic video with just the information I needed. I'm trying to decide which motherboard to go with, and had no idea about how these shared resources with regards to PCIe lanes worked. Now that I know, it really changes a lot of things. I'm sold on getting a 13th gen Intel CPU, due to it's high single core performance, but trying to get all the connectivity in one PC isn't going to be possible. So I'm thinking I'll dedicate my old PC for capturing video and sending it to my NAS, and then loading those capture files onto my primary PC for working on them. Maybe not as clean as I hoped for, but with the current state of the Intel CPU/chipset, it simply isn't capable of doing everything in one system that I want.
Hi Aaron,
Welcome! Such essential knowledge is obfuscated! Only the WRX80 Workstation can deliver with Dedicated PCIe Resources. With Shared PCIe Resources, it's a mess! Appreciate Your Comments! Success on Your Build!
@@BuildOrBuy The problem for me with a WRX80 workstation though is that even the fastest CPU for that board has abysmal single core performance. I'm heavily dependent on single core performance for most of the applications I run, and I doubt few if any of the applications benefit much from more than four or so cores. So a Threadripper Pro is totally overkill with regards to price and a total underperformer with regards to CPU bound applications that I use. What I really need is a Threadripper Pro with fewer cores but with much higher performance per core.
I'm going to need to do a lot more thinking and researching to figure out what to do.
Hi@@aaronlee6821,
Understand. Trade-offs both ways. Sounds like You're back to this Motherboard and accept those Limitations of Slots and Storage for PCIe Lanes. Keep Us Posted on Your Decision! At least You know Your Options!
@@aaronlee6821 will gen 4 in the gen 5 slot affect gpu performance like it does with gen 5 m.2?
Great video sir! Atm im trying to return my z790 e and buy the hero, because the hero pci e and m.2_1 dont share as far as ai read on forums!
KEOPSWHO,
Welcome! Correct. To reiterate M.2_1 is on CPU PCIe 4.0 Lanes. Dedicated. The problem is where to use the ROG Hyper M.2 card. If You go ASUS Z790 HERO, install ROG Hyper M.2 card in PCIEX16(G4) Slot. That's on Chipset PCIe 4.0 Lanes. The only way to get an M.2 NVMe on PCIe 5.0 x4 Lanes would be if used on one of the 2 Slots using CPU Lanes. Note: When ROG Hyper M.2 card is installed on PCIEX16(G5)_2, Hyper M.2_1 slot can support PCIe 5.0 x4 mode. A conundrum. Your GPU would then only have X8 instead of X16. Bummer.
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As always great information and your content has been hugely helpful over the years including my previous build TR3960x especially lane layout and add-in 4x.m2 card. Since you're focusing on ASUS here, wondering about a new system build using an ASUS z790 creator, 13900K with RTX 4080 and keeping my ASROCK Hyper m.2 card and moving it over. 100% video editing but love the speed of that hyper m.2 card for media storage (redundat of course). The creator has the 3rd x16 slot and thinking I can run with bifurication but maybe I'm missing something? Any recommendations apprecaited!
Hi pressplayvideo,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Interesting Questions. Glad You've brought that up. Since You have a Threadripper 3960, anything on a Z790 Chipset would be a downgrade from HEDT with Dedicated PCIe Resources to a Consumer Desktop Motherboard with Shared PCIe Resources. Furthermore since the Z790 does not fully Bifurcate, You would only see 2 Drives on any Bios Bifurcated Quad card. Bummer right. Suggest waiting for either Intel W790 Workstation Chipset (HEDT) or wait and see what AMD dreams up! We don't know yet if the W790 can fully Bifurcate. The Intel W680 did not. We had to contact Supermicro to find that out! If You jump over a HEDT such as You have now would be the WRX80 Workstation from AMD. Still PCIe 4.0. If PCIe 5.0 is what Your prefer, wait until this shakes out. We expect PCIe 5.0 to be short-lived since PCIe 6.0 is in the works. That is suppose to be a longer term Platform but 2 to 3 years away. Crystal ball forecasting. Thoughts? Where are You in the technology / product Cycles and what are Your needs vs wants. We need to prioritize! Top 5!
@@BuildOrBuy really appreciate the follow up and great detail. The last line says it all lots to consider maybe roll with a great this solid system I have and consider a future upgrade after some balancing. Keep up the great content!
Hi@@pressplayvideoCA,
Good idea! Absolutely! Appreciate Your Comments! Working on Research for next Video based on Questions We're receiving. Thank You for Your Support!
Hey Gil!. Starting to put everything together. Do you have recommendations for a Ryzen 9 CPU cooler? Thanks again!
Hi fred ve,
Absolutely! Noctua! Works well on X299, X399, TRX40 and WRX80. Will work well on Z790 unless You want Water Cooled. Black or Brown!
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sir we appreciate all this great info . ive had questions before im still deicing for my future board . what would be the best slots configuration on this board using a graphics card 2x ssd m.2 cards 2x ssd sata drives and the thunderbold 4 card? the price is lower now but adding the thunderbolt card will add 100 dollars more . asrock just release a new board the z790 Taichi lite with on board thunderbolt 4 for 350 maybe you can do a review
Hello guilladogui8259,
Welcome! Thank You very much! From Our perspective, We do not care for this Chipset based on PCIe Resources. As to Thunderbolt, that's 4 PCIe Lanes that must be Dedicated. As to a preference for Thunderbolt add in vs built-in, We have several Videos about Thunderbolt doing just that. There are Pros and Cons both ways. Think about Bios Updates and Thunderbolt Firmware Updates. Thunderbolt had a specific set of steps to follow to make that work. Miss a step, no Thunderbolt. Is Thunderbolt a need or a want? Every iteration of Thunderbolt makes the previous version obsolete or incompatible. Let that soak in a bit. Hope that helps!
Hi sir. I was going to buy this Motherboard today but after seeing your video im thinking about it. But since ASUS is the best I guest I can take it, if my GPU will have no probelm sharing lanes with G5 M.2, right?
Hello Gil, I have the z790E, running a MSI 4090. I just ran across this video today and I have had a really hard time finding a competent discussion on Thunderbolt for this mobo. My question, if I understand your video correctly (starting right round 11:30, but you really hit on it around the 17:00 minute mark), the onboard USB-C ports are not Thunderbolt compatible due to a lack of power. I think I heard you mention, I need to install a Thunderbolt Card into one of my available PCIe slots which then drives enabling the appropriate settings in the BIOS, is that correct? In order to maximize, which slot should I install the 4090 in and which of the two remaining slots should I install the TB card? I game and shoot photography (which drove this setup) and the sheer speed of Thunderbolt really helps in transferring very large RAW files. While technical, you explain this stuff really well for dummies, like me. Thank you. -Errol
Hi etalley,
Welcome. Just now seeing Your comments. Thunderbolt and Power are 2 separate issues. On this Motherboard, for Thunderbolt Ports, We need a Thunderbolt (USB4) add-in card. Thunderbolt can do 3 things:
1. Route Data
2. Route Power
3. Route Video. For the latter, Video has to be ingested into Thunderbolt to be routed out of Thunderbolt. Those 1st two make sense. The later does not.
Just Motherboard alone, we get:
1. USB 5Gbps
2. USB-C 10Gbps
3. USB-C 2x2 20Gbps. Nice. Easier to implement.
4. For Thunderbolt USB-C requires add-in card.
Interesting to note, Thunderbolt is supposed to be for Content Creation yet is positioned mostly on Consumer Desktop Motherboards with limited PCIe Resources. And that does not make sense.
1. Your GPU always in 1st Slot. CPU Lanes.
2. Forget 2nd Slot exists. Shared PCIe Resources.
3. 3rd Slot is for Thunderbolt. Using Chipset Lanes.
We need a Motherboard Block Diagram to know the lay of the land so to speak.
Are you going to do some more videos?
do you have any plans to thoroughly cover the Pro Art Z790 Creator Wifi? i was pretty set on the Pro Art X670E but i really wish they had included Thunderbolt 4 instead of USB4 (would like to avoid connectivity issues) and had shared lane bandwidth between the third pcie slot and a sata port instead of the third m.2 slot. the z790 does exactly this but ive heard the 13900k runs pretty hot? i also prefer am5 due to it being compatible with upcoming motherboards and cpus for the next for years, so if i ever need to upgrade, i can switch out one or the other. if i go for the z790 and a 13th gen cpu, i would have to replace both as, if im understanding correctly, the newer gen motherboards and cpus will not support either. i know you mentioned you somewhat favor the z790 simply because it has 24 cores as opposed to 16 but do you think you could go more in depth on the Pro Art Z790?
Hi Templar,
Welcome! Focusing on what You really want, USB4 IS Thunderbolt 4 based on the Chipset! Now back to Your 1st Question, no. The Z790 Chipset reads well on paper until We go from Design to Implementation. The CPU is a great benefit based on Core count. However, We realized the Z790 Chipset is neutered from the get go! Thanks for Asking! Changing 1 thing can change everything! Latest does not always mean greatest. The current crop of Consumer Desktop Motherboards are annoyingly over priced and sadly under deliver! Stick with the X670E Chipset until We have something better! Yes We need more CPU Cores for Processing power. Next step up would be HEDT or Workstation. Hope that helps!
In the interest of time, We'll take a look this weekend at the ProArt Z790 and Comment further. Been working an IT Specialist Contract. Then a Server Build Spec. Then adding another dimension to Our Video Production!
even though I have an Asus z790 TUF Gaming, This was very informative.
I wish I had seen this before buying. Probably would've sent another way. with a WRx.
Hello Spoolingturbo6,
Welcome! Exactly! Appreciate Your Comments! Consumer Desktop Motherboards are neutered from the get go! And that's annoying!
Great video, what’s really annoying it’s the manuals and descriptions. For example I can’t even find a biofaction chart for Gigabyte MBs.
It fundamentally unclear what Bus architecture is for gigabyte Z790.
However watching your video you seem to be suggesting that I can do a CPU M.2 and GPU together but as 2 x 8 channels. Having looked at the GPU impact at 8 not 16 is only 2-3% drop…..which I can handle. So this MB is ok for me….but I have to push everything else through the chipset….
Hi Xerjin Xerjin,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Exactly! That about sums up the situation. Success on Your Build!
Gill, this is all great information. I have a question about a storage setup on the z790 platform. Do you know of a motherboard that would support this setup?
1. Install 2 of the amfeltec squid quad M.2 cards (each in a x16 physical slot)
2. Motherboard should split to x8/x8, this will use 16 of the 20 CPU lanes (no GPU needed in this system)
3. Install M.2 drive in an M.2 slot to use the remaining 4 CPU lanes
4. Install a 10Gb NIC in a third PCI-E slot that connects to the chipset (Shares DMI bandwidth)
So I should end up with 8 drives on the squid cards and one boot drive in the M.2 slot, does this sound right?
Thanks
Hi A Google User,
Welcome! Excellent! Appreciate Your Comments! That will work. However, based on the price of the Amfeltec Squid cards, have You considered a WRX80 Workstation Motherboard? Plenty of PCIe Resources. And no need for Amfeltec Squid Cards. Just a thought.
I have been told I'm wrong for leaving M.2_1 empty, AND using the other four M.2 slots for drives since because I have a 4090 GPU installed. You have said the same thing in this video. There is one part of your video at 12:25 for "Scenario 2" where you say if you share a GPU and M.2 on the PCIe 5, "That slot goes to 8 lanes, which is fine for a GPU, whatever GPU you put in there. That's the default config and that is the best." So is it fine that the GPU would go from 16 lanes to 8? Or should it be avoided and the board set up the way I currently have it. Thanks for the wonderful video
Hi Capt Pie,
Welcome! Outstanding! Appreciate Your Comments! Fascinating topic! Excellent Question! Glad You brought that up! Another way to look at this shortage of PCIe Lanes... The GPU is no longer driving the PCIe Bus. Think about that! Everything now is about the M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive! A GPU is OK with 8 Lanes. With that being said, why should We settle for 8 PCIe Lanes when We plan for, can have and should have 16 PCIe Lanes. Who made that optional without asking Us. That's nuts!
BTW: Notice Your Brand new GPU is PCIe 4.0 in a PCIe 5.0 Slot. And the next Item We await for is an M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 SSD Drive. Go figure. More obfuscation from Manufacturers! We're being Sold something We cannot take advantage of. Every Question leads to another Question. Glad You're thinking about these Options! We are too! And everyone deserves to know what's What and why. After doing this for so long, We tend to be more Observant! Hope that helps! Perception and Perspective!
whoahhh sick down to earth guy with good teacher like explaination. subbded!!! quick one, which MOBO would you recommend for content creator mostly photoshop and lightroom. i have lots of big files as i use medium format camera. AMD or INTEL its fine with me. thanks in advance. cheers!!!
Hi Allgames Total,
Welcome! I'm honored! Good Question! Every Motherboard has different PCIe Resource allocations. Depends. List Your Top 5 Requirements in Order and see how a Motherboard fits that criteria. This was the 1st Z90 Chipset Motherboard We were asked about. That's when We realized the issue about Bifurcation is true for the Chipset and not just Specific Motherboards with this Chipset. If You can live with the PCIe Lane count, this is a good choice. If However You require more PCIe Lanes, Workstation Motherboard! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy i think i need 4 nvme. thats it. thanks::-)
Hi@@allgamestotal6773,
Just watch Your PCIe Lane count! Otherwise, Enjoy!
I just ordered this motherboard to replace the junk one in my computer. Bought a prebuilt and they put the 13900KF (same as K without graphics), and a PNY RTX 4090. This was super informative, though I’m curious if the 8 lanes will slow down my GPU. You said it will work fine on 8 lanes with all GPU’s.. but with this one being so new, I wasn’t sure if it’s included in that detail. Also.. I’m on the hunt for RAM. I’m trying to use this computer as a Twitch Stream Machine and Ultra 4K Ray Trace machine all in one. With the amount of power it has.. so far it’s not been terrible, even with crap MOBO. However, I have Corsair Dominator DDR5 32GB running at 4800 MHz. I’m looking into a faster speed with lower CAS Latency.. potentially the higher end G.Skill at 64GB. What are your thoughts? Would I be fine with 32GB with higher speeds/lower CAS, or should I go with higher capacity as well
Hi AustinsRetreatGaming,
Welcome! Excellent Question! According to recent Reports, a GPU using X8 will receive a 1 % to 2% Performance hit. Not bad. Not great but it is what it is. We've also read some Users see a 20% difference in their situation running 4K.
As for RAM, We Build According to the Rendering Engine for a Purpose Built Computer using the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula. That formula addresses quantity of RAM but does not address speed of RAM. 64GBs, Yes!
Non ECC On-die DDR5 is faster than DDR4 and will only scale up in speed and capacity beyond what was possible with DDR4. For now, Suggest sticking with Motherboard QVL and cross Reference with Your preferred brand. DDR5 is a new animal and will continue to experience growing Pains for stability. Hence Bios Updates. Have You noticed Quantity of RAM sticks in DDR5 Kits? Curious.
QVL Testing has not caught up with marketing and availability yet! We have another Subscriber who focuses on DDR5 RAM Speeds. And is conducting his own Tests. For Your Q to reiterate, 64GBs, Absolutely! He has set 2 records! Hope that helps!
Amazing video. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I read through all the comments, and I’m fairly certain you answer my question multiple times, but I really would love some verification with my specific build. It’s fairly simple. I have 1 GeForce RTX 3070 GPU, and 1 Samsung 990 pro m.2 drive. Which slots should I use to install these? Thanks in advance!
Hi Tim Nicholson,
Welcome! Thank You very much! Appreciate Your Comments! Ok!
1. GPU in PCIEX16(G5)
2. M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD in M.2_2.
To reiterate, GPU will get full Dedicated X16 CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes! And M.2_2 will get full Dedicated CPU PCIe 4.0 X4 Lanes. Hope that helps! Enjoy Your Build!
Thank you very much! Greatly appreciate your videos.
Hi@@timnicholson9352,
Excellent! Glad We could help!
First off, thank you for the time and effort explaining all of this to us. You're awesome!
Secondly, at 15:44 you explain the difference between z790-E vs F. So that I am clear on your explanation, if I got the F version instead of the E, I should be good to use an NVME SSD in the M.2_1 slot while also using the top PCIe 5.0 slot for my RTX 4080 without getting a performance hit on my video card? Meaning the video card will have the full 16 lanes without the drive taking anything from it? Or should I move my NVME drive to the M.2_2 slot instead to avoid performance issues with my video card? Sorry for my ignorance on this... The wording on this table isn't quite clear.
It's also worth noting that I will be putting two Samsung 1TB 980s into a RAID 0 config to act as one drive for my OS. So, I was thinking of just putting these drives in the M.2_2 and M.2_3 slots to avoid issues. Let me know your thoughts on this... And again, thank you!
Hi Light,
Welcome! Great Questions! Appreciate Your Comments! F version does not suffer from the Shared PCIe Resources this E version suffers from. On the F version, according to the Motherboard PDF Manual, M.2_1 is Dedicated. Therefore, Your GPU will not Share CPU PCIe Lanes. Better price too! Why pay for a Shared hassle of Either / Or decisions!
The other 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives You've mentioned will be using Dedicated Chipset PCIe Lanes. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you so much for the clarification! I am glad I bought that board then. So weird that they are pretty much the same board but with different port configurations... I guess that is enough to change lane configs as well.
Hello@@lightthiscity4974,
Absolutely! Smart choice! Changing one thing can change everything! Success with Your Build! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
I got so vary much great info about the z790 chipset I'm doing a sff build and I'm fixing to buy the Asus Rog strix z790i motherboard I was wondering if you could do a video like this on that board I even pay you
Hi Marcus,
Welcome. Thank You. Appreciate Your Support. Buy me a coffee. To expedite, what would you like to know. This is an interesting Motherboard you're contemplating. Never seen an M.2 configuration like this one.
Excellent video but I am still confused. I keep hearing and read that if I put a m.2 drive in the shared cpu slot of m.2_1 it changes my GPU to 8x? Which if I understand correctly I wont lose anything noticeable with my Nvidia 4070 card. But my question is I have a total of 4 nvme drives and even though I have 5 m.2 slots I will really only be able to use 2 in m.2_3 and m.2_4 port because it will set the nmve cards to 4x4 for 16? you cant have a 4x4x4 ? being nvme cards run at 4x speed?
Hello Earl M Miller,
Welcome! If You use M.2_1 then Your GPU in PCIEX16(G5) will run x8 only! Test and Verify! Hope that helps! Appreciate Your Comments!
First, I am prepping to build my 2nd PC and I have been doing my homework, but, my tech ability/understanding is limited.
If I put in a rtx 4090 and a M2 in the top slot, does that affect the performance of the GPU? Or does it just affect the M2?
All the best.
Cheers.
Hi General-Cromwell,
Welcome! Good Question! Affect Performance? Whether Your GPU uses X8 CPU PCIe Lanes or X16 CPU PCIe Lanes. You will not notice a difference. But this is a decision made for Us. Not a decision We would choose if We knew. And even if We did, that should be Our choice. Not a Design choice. Another way to look at this, the GPU is not Driving the Bus. The M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive is Driving the Bus and has been since PCIe 3.0 when both were introduced. Another thing to remember, all M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives require 4 PCIe Lanes whether on CPU or Chipset. Whereas the GPU can operate on less or fewer CPU PCIe Lanes. Does that broaden Your understanding of the technology and situation We face? Hope so! Congrats on Your Build!
Thank you for this video. I just happened to click on this video and realized that I had my brand new 2k+ system setup incorrectly.. Thank you.
Hi TOOL1023,
Welcome! Glad We could help! Appreciate Your Comments! Success on Your Build! What did You change? PCIe Resource allocation? Fascinating Topic!
@@BuildOrBuy I dropped my M.2 Gen 3 to the second slot. This pushed my GPU back to x16 from x8. I hope I did it right lol.
Hi@@TOOL1023,
Did You get a chance to Test and Verify both ways? Always! Never take anything for granted. Your Results may vary. Yes! You're running full X16 now for Your GPU!
@BuildOrBuy What do you mean verify both ways? I know I had sdd in pci 1 5g slot before and gpu was x8 and when I moved ssd to 2 slot it was x16. Is that what you mean?
Hi@@TOOL1023,
To reiterate, Verify Speed of Your GPU usage both X8 and X16 and see if You notice a difference. According to Reports, expect a 1% to 2% Performance hit in that scenario. Hope that helps!
I watched a bunch of videos on this board before this one, and not one of them mentioned its limitations. I'd already decided against the Pro Art version because if you use all four of it's M.2 slots, you lose half of it's SATA sockets. I'd looked at the Pro Art version because Puget Systems use it in both of their high end Z790 work stations. Now I am confused and will have to at least watch this video again, but I basically need to know that if I fit a video card (RTX4080) how many M.2 slots and SATA sockets will still be working? BTW A definite new subscriber here.
Hi Trevor Dennis,
Welcome! Excellent Question! On this Motherboard, all M.2 and SATA are Dedicated! The limitation is by Design of the Chipset. That's on Intel. Not everyone knows about nor understands Bifurcation. We do! And that's a big deal if You need that capability! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored!
You should be working for Asus you are amazing😊
Hi Asaf Blasberg Videographer,
I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Don't know if me and ASUS would see eye to eye. We're all about the technology for the User for a Purpose Built Computer. Solving Problems and Providing Solutions! Keep it Simple and Make it Work!
Question, To clarify for my new gaming/video editing build,
Am I better off not putting either m.2 drives in the M.2_1 slot you mentioned? Or should I run one in there? As I will have the 4090 card below in the top PCI-E G5 slot.
I have the:
z790-e board you discussed, and
a MSI RTX 4090 SUPRIM LIQUID GPU Card
(2) m.2 NVME 1tb Samsung 980 Pro SSDs
4 sticks of Crucial 32GB DDR5 4800mhz RAM non-ecc
Thanks in advance!
Hi E S,
Correct! Nothing in M.2_1. Lane count always stays the same for Compatibility. Using those 4 Lanes of M.2_1 forces Lanes to be allocated such that GPU will be using X8 Lanes instead of X16 Lanes which is OK. Just so You know. It's just FYI. Here's How that works. Obfuscation! And We're saying, not acceptable! Remember the GPU is no longer driving the BUS. The PCIe Bus is now all about the M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive! Need for Speed! Hope that clarification helps! Great Question!
@@BuildOrBuy your a genius, I’ve learned so much from you! Thank you!!! Merry Christmas!
Hi@@MrUpsidedowngaming,
Appreciate Your Comments! Just a lot of experience! Thank You very much! Success on Your Build! Merry Christmas to You and Yours!
thanks for making this video! These slots are a little confusing. On the z790 maximus hero, if I add a 4090 to "pciex16(g5)_1" and put the add in card in "pciex16(g4)" with just 1 x PCIe Gen 4.0 x4 NVMe drive installed in the add-in card. Is this the best option? thank you!
Hi Greiler Swag,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Obfuscation from Our Perspective! Consumer Desktop Motherboards should not be so complicated!
1. ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero
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2. ASUS Bifurcation Chart
www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507/
ASUS Hyper M.2 Card in PCIeX16(G4) - Yes! You have a good understanding of Your situation. This is the most unusual setup We've seen yet. Only ASUS could pull that off! To reiterate, Chipset PCIe Lanes! We very much need a Motherboard Block Diagram! To reiterate, CPU PCIe Lanes are a tad bit faster than Chipset PCIe Lanes if running the same PCIe Bus speed. In this case, PCIe 5.0 or PCIe 4.0 which is vastly different! Using Chipset PCIe Lanes for M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives should be very close to the same Speed whether on the Motherboard or on the I/O Card. Hope that helps! Success on Your Build!
An eye opener! Thanks...Literally could not find anyone else explaining this deep on the allocation.
1. Was looking for more details regarding how the allocation would be for the USB ports...with 4 lanes left, are all USB ports sharing the remaining 4 lanes, which ports share lanes and which ones have dedicated lanes, where can we find the info as I am having similar confusion with Z790 TUF gaming motherboard. If they share the lanes, then I would rather go for USB PCI card with B760 motherboard.
2. IS there any chart showing USB version and lane count usage? Arent the USB ports and SATA ports using PCI gen 3 lanes since 20 gen 4 lanes are exhausted by PCI and M2 slots?
And if USB ports are indeed using PCI gen 3 lanes, how can USB GEN2.2 x2 provide 20Gbps with just 2 lanes as the limit of PCI Gen 3 2 lanes is 2 GBps which is equal to 16 Gbps
2. The problem with B760 motherboard is that it supports only 4 DIM lanes! Forced to go for higher end motherboard just to avoid this bottleneck.
3. With 28 lanes on chipset but only 8 DIM lanes, how does the lane allocation/sharing happen here during communication with CPU? Is there any hardware monitor app which shows DIM lane utilization?
Hi Kiran,
Welcome. Just now seeing Your comments. Thank You. Very good questions. We need Motherboard Block Diagrams. Now you see what we see. All these USB Ports are Shared. Crazy right. Easy count starting out for Slots and Storage. MSI has Motherboard Block Diagrams. And from those we can reference or infer how this limited resource of PCIe Lanes gets allocated. More smoke and mirrors. What we want and need gets closer to ideal but not perfect on either a HEDT or Workstation Motherboard. Even some SATA Ports on some Consumer Desktop Motherboards are a Shared Resource. Depends. That's why it's imperative we compare Design vs Implementation. What's possible and what's doable or being done.
How does it compare to the Asus ProArt X670E-Creator WiFi board? Heard good things about this motherboard. That board has four SATA III ports plus four M.2 slots.
Hi Tom Popovich,
Welcome! Excellent Question! Glad You've brought that up! What You've Asked is a key element in Chipset Resource allocations. Fundamentally the X670E Chipset is more flexible and more configurable than the Z790 Chipset. Fascinating, right. Therefore Fundamentally comparing these two is not a fair comparison based on that difference. With that being said, We were disappointed with the ASUS ProArt X670E Resource allocations. MSI has the cleanest and simplest implementation of the X670E Chipset. ASUS is trying to do too much with too little. Each level of Specs can be evaluated based on facts. That's a zoom in and zoom out approach to Motherboards. This topic would make for an interesting video to Diagram in a Flow Chart or just listing facts of What We know to be true. And in no particular order. Then after Itemizing those Attibutes, Prioritize! Fascinating, right. Does that make You rethink Your Question? Changing one thing changes everything! Then the price point. None of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards should cost over $500.00. Anything beyond that is approaching the cost of a Workstation Motherboard! Price Performance Quotient!
Hey there, long time watcher first time commenter. I have a question that's been bothering me for a while now.
I've been going on this assumption for a while now an there doesn't seem to a real answer on the internet, given no one else is asking this. I have built servers on the AM4 platform and it seems to work well. The Ryzen 3000 series offers PCIe Gen 3 lanes, Ryzen 5000 offers Gen 4 lanes (24 lanes).
If I was to take a Ryzen 5000 part and manually set everything to PCIe Gen 3, would that then allow me to run everything at full electrical speed. Essentially trading 20 CPU PCIe Gen. 4 lanes for 40 Gen. 3 lanes. Given that the number of electrical connections far exceeds the CPU capacity is this even a good idea?
Hi Amateur Wizard,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Support and Comments! Fascinating Question! Glad You've brought that up! There were a few well respected Sources reporting on PCIe Lane counts going into PCIe 4.0 if memory serves my correctly. Apparently all based on speculation. To Your Question specifically about PCIe Lanes. Here's the key, due to backwards compatibility PCIe Lane count remains constant. PCIe Lane Bandwidth is what increases going forward. Now with that being stated as what We know to be true, might change with CXL - Comput Express Link and NVMe-KV - Key Value Command Set. Fascinating changes are coming! When? Possibly as soon as PCIe 6.0! Think Persistent Memory! In that scenario, addressing PCIe Lane Count would change but would supposedly maintain backwards compatability just like SMBus and I3C Bus does for ECC Memory. Backwards Compatibility! Another Fascinating Topic!
Everything We're currently seeing on Consumer Desktop Motherboards amounts to smoke and mirrors with PCIe Lane obfuscation. Therefore anything You read or hear, ask about backwards compatibility. See how that is resolved or not. This has Video Potential! We just need more Information! We know enough to know We need to know more! And so it goes! What You've Asked is an essential key element going forward! We're just laying the ground work now with Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations! This will have You rethinking Your Question!
Further Research:
NVMe Command Set Specifications
nvmexpress.org/developers/nvme-command-set-specifications/#:~:text=What%20is%20the%20Key%20Value,rather%20than%20a%20block%20address.
CXL Specification
www.computeexpresslink.org/download-the-specification
SSDs Get Smarter - See: CXL protocol
www.eetimes.com/ssds-get-smarter
Compute Express Link (CXL): All you need to know - Rambus
www.rambus.com/blogs/compute-express-link/
Hello 🙋🏻♂ What do you think about the ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-Sage SE WIFI II? Asus refreshed its ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-Sage SE WIFI Mainboard, what do you think, is the newer version so much better? They listed the new version today at Geizhals, at first I thought that it was the same Mainboard, but they added WIFI II.
Hi Emre Arslan,
Welcome! Great Question! Oroginally there was Rev 1 and Rev 2. Then the big difference was the 10GbE LAN Chipset. The 1st Rev is Intel. Whereas Rev 2 was I think Marvell Chipset.
Now there's the Retail and OEM Versions. Both use Intel 10GbE LAN Chipset. Both include the ASUS M.2 X16 NVMe PCIe Quad Adapter. Essentially the same. As long as the Motherboard is either Sealed or has not been handled due to ESD concerns, either should be fine. Let Us know if You find something else to be otherwise. All about Marketing. Hope that helps!
BTW: That's the WRX80 Workstation Motherboard to get! The one Listed on Amazon appears to be Retail packaging instead of OEM.
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Thanks for this comprehensive video. _Why can't two PCIe x8 gen5 slots be used as two PCIe x16 gen4 slots? In theory it should work._
Hi Tor,
Welcome! Thank You for Your Comments. As a Question, You're forgetting PCIe Lane Count. Why does that matter? Backwards compatibility. And discounting Bifurcation. Which depends upon Chipset capabilities. And that would be seen in Bios configuration. Great idea. On paper. In theory... take a look and tell us what you see. In Bios.
So what happens if you put a pcie4.0 m.2 in m.2_1 on a z90 board with a graphics card in pcie_1. Does it still bifrucate to 8x_8x. If I have a m.2 pcie 4.0 nvme, should I just put it in the m2_2 slot and my graphics card in the pcie16_1 lane for best result?
Hi Brandon Thomas,
Welcome! Great Questions! Design is constant. However, implementation varies. To reiterate every Motherboard allocates Resources differently. On this specific Motherboard, using any M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive in M.2_1 causes PCIeX16(G5) to drop to X8.
There are 2 technologies at play.
1. Using M.2_1 - Don't! Implementation.
2. Bifurcation of Slot PCIeX16(G5).
Bifurcation will matter if You were trying to install an M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Quad card. Due to this Chipset Bifurcation of X8, X8 You would only see 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives instead of 4. And that is a Design configuration of the Chipset. Therefore a constant on any Z790 Motherboard.
Each is a different allocation of CPU PCIe Resources. One is an implementation. The other by Design. Results are the same.
Short Answer, Yes to Your final Question. Keep it Simple! To reiterate, use M.2_2 on CPU PCIe Lanes and GPU in PCIeX16(G5). All good. All using full Resources! Hope that helps! Configuring a Consumer Desktop Motherboard should not be this involved. Such is the case with Shared PCIe Resources! Crazy, right. Success on Your Build!
I’ve been trying to get the thunderbolt card to work on this exact board and it’s not taking. I don’t know if anyone else is having this issue, but I’ve tried all the methods that you can barely find out there. After adding the TB card and connected all the connectors my boot time now takes about 2 minutes to load and it’s still not finding the drivers. I don’t want to have to buy a whole new MOBO with thunderbolt already on it when it says my MOBO is compatible with that card. So many forums of others giving up and some it just worked for. Would not having enough resources with the PCIe slots cause this issue. I have my 4070 ti connected and 2 nvm drives.
Not coincidently , the info on the bifurcation and "choices' thereof seems like a complete reiteration of the Z690 situation. I am interested in AUDIO production not gaming so ,, I will be using the integrated graphics in the Intel 13700K . Seems like there is no increased benefit expandability or functionality with the Z790 from the Z690. What ASUS motherboard would you suggest ,putting the ProArt series aside, to get the best /most PCIe5 lanes and M.2 with DDR5, and still support Thunderbolt 4 ?? Knowing I will sacrifice the desired 10GB ethernet connection in the trade.
Hi mark,
Welcome! That about says it all. You're right! Just newer. No more added PCIe Resources which is crazy! And Yes, Bifurcation is a big deal! None of the Z790 Motherboards fully Bios Bifurcate.
This brings up another Question. We have historically preferred Thunderbolt as an AIC for seperate Firmware Updates. However, that adds to the price of the Motherboard. Therefore, get an ASUS Motherboard with Integrated Thunderbolt 4 / USB4. And that's the biggest reason for the latest Z790 Chipset. To have latest Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 Support with PCIe Tunneling over USB4 in Bios, if that matters. Which one? Great Question. Our Overview Focus is on Slots and Storage PCIe Resource allocations. None of these Motherboards in this class should cost over $500 but those that cost more also offer more if You really need more! However, due to Shared Resources, lots of Connectors but they cannot all be used simultaneously! Bummer, right! We did not care for the ASUS ProArt X670E due to PCIe Resources. However, the ASUS ProArt Z790 looks to be closest to what You're seeking. Even 10GbE based on Preliminary Specs. This one in Video is 1st one being Released. ASUS right now has ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI redirecting to X670E which is nuts! Therefore, Patience until more variety arrives!
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Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! All about the Music!
awesome, now I'm even more confused then i was before lol... I was looking at the Z790-F, but wondered if its worth upgrading to the Z790-E.
Hello Troy,
Welcome! Just now seeing Your Comment! Sometimes We do not receive notices of Comments. To Your Question, Depends. Resource allocations are different on each and every Motherboard. And none of these Motherboards should cost over $500.00. Beyond that, We're approaching a HEDT or Workstation class Motherboard with Dedicated PCIe Resources. List Your Top 5 Requirements and see how a given Motherboard measures up! Hope that helps!
hi Gill ! i really like your video very informative. i just bougth this asus rog strix z790 e gaming wifi and i was wondering if i could use the ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 as an extra display port type c from my dgpu ? problem is that i need 3 x hdmi 2.1 for triple screen setup (lg oled c1 hdmi 2.1 only) but my gpu only have 3 display port and 2 hdmi. im trying to find a way beside using an adapter displayport 1.4a to hdmi 2.1 as i dont want to give up gsync at 4k 120hz. Do you think its possible or maybe you have another solution to add a hdmi 2.1 supported by the dgpu . i ask because you sure know what your talking about thanks for you time .
Hi Geoffroy Fillion,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Great idea! However to get Video from Thunderbolt You have to Route Video into Thunderbolt. You're not gaining. You would just be swapping one Output for another. Think about the Routing, out of GPU into Thunderbolt AIC and back out of Thunderbolt to Monitor. The only way to get Video out of Thunderbolt using internal GPU would be IF Thunderbolt were built on to Motherboard. To reiterate, output of GPU into Thunderbolt and back out. Keep it simple! Not ideal. And not what You wanted. Fascinating You have 5 Outputs! The 3 HDMI Output Video cards don't always support the same version of HDMI on all HDMI Connections. Always the trade-offs! Hope that helps! Does Your Monitor support Thunderbolt?
@@BuildOrBuy thanks for the fast reply really appreciate it . Would be great if there was a way to add extra hdmi port like an expension hdmi card or if the hdmi on the motherboard would be compatible with the dedicated gpu.
Hi@@geoffroyfillion1298,
Absolutely! Just good timing! HDMI has to come from a GPU source whether internal or external. Two different Chipsets. Two Different Drivers. One way to find out, try and see what happens. An HDMI Splitter would only Duplicate. Displays would be same. Not what You want. Possibly a Dual HDMI Adapter. Most are only good to 4k/60. Hmm... Maybe USB-C to 4k/120. Nope. Those require Thunderbolt. And not Dual output. Just a technology swap again. USB-C Port has to support DisplayPort Alternate-Mode. And this Motherboard does not indicate that support. Getting the resolution and refresh Rate is the problem. We have used a lot of Converters to get HDMI to the Video Switch for Broadcast. Those only Duplicate what's on a given screen. So that's out too. Best way would be with a GPU with 3 HDMI. Bummer, right!
The software Bios seting is what you get in overclock and speed to MAX !
Ok so alot of this went over my head, I wanted to do a raid array with 2 NVMe drives, should i put them in slots 2 and 3?
Also is there a prerequisite video that might help me better understand this one, i do find it interesting
Hello Quatre Raberba Winner,
Welcome! That's what Vendors are banking on! M.2_2 is using CPU PCIe Lanes. For RAID, suggest using Chipset PCIe Lanes for M.2_3 and M.2_4. To reiterate, those are Chipset PCIe Lanes from equal bandwidth. CPU PCIe Lanes are a tad bit faster. Takes a while to wrap Your mind around PCIe Lanes. Once You do, You'll never look at another Motherboard the same way again! Prerequisite? This IS Basic Prerequisite. The next step up would be an Evaluation then a Review. If a Motherboard does not pass an Overview, no need to bother looking at that same Motherboard any further. Hope that helps! PCIe Lanes are a fascinating Subject!
Around the 12:00 mark, would you say that I could run an RTX-4090 (the newest video card) in PCI slot 1, and an SSD Samsung 980 Pro in M2_1 slot with no problems. This motherboard will arrive tomorrow and I'm wondering if I need to send it back.
Hi Baker Racing,
Welcome! Interesting Question! The issue is not so much about the Motherboard but more about the Chipset. For a Consumer Desktop Motherboard, what were Your Requirements for choosing this particular Motherboard? Itemize and Prioritize! Are You Rendering? If so, what's Your Render engine?
G'day mate, excellent information!
I've recently bought an i7-13700k (16 cores). To optimise that would be 64Gb RAM and 16Gb VRAM according to AAE, correct?
Due to shared resources, I'm unsure of an appropriate chipset to utilize for a very basic workstation for rendering in unreal engine.
Keep in mind I'm considering an RTX A4500
Hi General Chaos,
Welcome! Correct. Based on a Workstation and using a Workstation GPU, that speaks to DDR ECC RAM. If using DDR5 ECC RAM, right now for Intel W680 Chipset which means a W680 Workstation Motherboard by Supermicro. Link below.
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Unless You're using a Consumer Desktop Motherboard then this Motherboard is fine for that purpose but to reiterate will not use DDR5 ECC only On-die ECC DDR5 which is Non-ECC. Clarity and Specificity!
@@BuildOrBuy Excellent 👌 Thanks for the clarity, I've learnt a lot from you're channel. Keep up the good work you're on fire 🔥 🔥 🔥
Hi@@crakatinni,
Thank You! Outstanding! Much Appreciated!
Hi Gill,
Can you please do a video about dual raid0 of (2 m.2 nvme and 2 m.2 nvme) on a quad pcie card asus or aorus.
Because i saw a video on PCworld channel where single and dual and triple and quad m.2 nvme give different results, hope you can do it for us❤.
Hi Aji Ngolk,
Welcome! Great Idea! 2 RAIDs on a Quad card. We'll keep that in mind for a future Video! There are 2 aspects to these types of Add in cards. One adding Storage or JBOD, Just a Bunch of Disks. Two, RAID, a 2nd Step in Configuration. We have several Videos on everything from the Supermicro Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter through several different Quad cards (ASRock, ASUS and Gigabyte) to the Amfeltec Squid 6 Drive Carrier Board. And have talked extensively about all of them. There's even a new company promoting a Multi Drive M.2 card, A dual card layer, full size, full height. We might talk about that Product if that Project ever becomes a Reality beyond Kickstarter!! Appreciate Your Comments!
You video has been very helpful. Just a quick question, in future once we have gen 5 GPU along with gen 5 SSD, will I be able to do gen5 4 lanes for the SSD and gen5 16 lanes for the GPU?
Rewatched you video and based on what I understood, I will try to answer my own question.
Since 4 g4 lanes are dedicated to M2_2, no matter what we are left with 16 g5 lanes to be shared between M2_1 and PCIe slot 1. So, using g4 SSD on M2_2 will split it by 8x8. While GPU will try to use 8 lanes available to it, the 4 lanes out of 8 available to SSD is wasted. Correct?
Once we have g5 GPU available in future, we still can use it's full potential with all 16 g5 lanes. If you choose to do so, then we will need to sacrifice and not use g5 SSD i.e. M2_1 slot. In that scenario, I guess the tradeoff will be to use M2_1 for g5 SSD, but then be happy with g5 8 lanes for the new g5 GPU.
Hi Sagun Pandey,
Welcome! Short Answer, not gonna happen! Just now seeing Your 2nd Comment and will respond there as well.
Hi@@withyuva,
Good observation. Focus 1st on Quantity of Lanes then 2nd as to Speed of Lanes. You have the correct end Results. Appreciate Your Comments!
im somewhat new to this pc stuff and im doing my 1st build .. i know the basics and then some ..so what i got out of the whole m.2 thing is dont use the top slot ...i have 2 M.2 nvme ssd's / gen 4 ... 1 500gb i want for my OS and the other 1tb for games and 2 tb Sata ..does it matter which of the 2-4 slots i use for the m.2's? ... still waiting for my mobo with i9-12900k
Hi Cory O,
Welcome! Yes, not enough PCIe Lanes. Your CPU Lanes will be a tad bit faster than Chipset Lanes. Otherwise, Your Preference. Hope that helps!
Thank you! I guess I won't be using that M.2_1, want my graphics card to run at x16.
Hi Laura,
Welcome. I'm not a fan of this Chipset. I don't care for the Design which makes Implementation all the more cumbersome. You're on the right track to maximize GPU performance. Some of these choices being made for us are not a good idea.