I know why you pinned my comments. I left and everything was over after that but since you don't want to let it go. I'm going to say what I was going to say after the debate. you won that debate because I was a rookie and you used fallacies that I didn't even know of and then someone else came and debated me instead of you. I mean I still don't know what circular reasoning is.
@@adeadavenger5824 Circular reasoning is the fallacy in which a person’s premise is used as an argument. Obviously there’s going to be some falsehood concerning that way of arguing.
Apparently a few days ago I found out that broly thinks the tensura verse has no universe's and thinks it's only made of dimensions and thinks that means it can't have galaxy's or anything else a universe has (aside from planets apparently) and thinks that means the tensura verse only can have planet level feats at max and thinks you can't transcend time and space inside a dimension despite the fact that some dimensions can act as universe's (which would allow them to have everything a universe has including galaxy's and everything else a universe has) and even if the tensura verse was only made of dimensions that still means a form of multiverse made of dimensions that act as universe's can exist along with higher dimensions and realms (though if this was the case for the tensura verse the cosmology would have been revealed differently) why this can't be how the cosmology for the tensura verse is because if the parallel timelines were dimensions instead of timelines then rimuru wouldn't have needed to manipulate both time and space to go to it as it would only require space being manipulated because dimensions that have timelines (for example dimensions that act as a universe) can't have parallel timelines as that would require a temporal dimension and a dimension can't have a dimension (aside from a pocket dimension) also dimensions aren't usually known to have a space time continuum like universe's are
I know but broly is too dumb to think about the fact that the term world can mean universe even if you also explain why the tensura verse can't be made exclusively of dimensions and or realms
That's exactly my point he barely recognises that in the tournament of power (if I'm remembering the name of the tournament correctly) goku literally said he wouldn't let someone destroy his world (and he couldn't have meant planet because of the fact goku never said anything like that when stuff involved planets) the fact that is what goku said shows that even he knows that world can mean universe which means goku (the character) mostlikely is smarter than Broly (and goku isn't known for his intelligence he's known for his lack of intelligence)
broo the statments of koyama arn't always his opinion and he's just isn't more reliable than toriyama also the guidebooks cleary said that the ki is metaphysical + i watched the video of drip_sauce, you just...🤣
1.can you prove that his statements on dbs isn’t always his opinion? 2.metaphysical as in non-physical OR beyond physics??? I have already made a debunk on all y’all metaphysics argument I love the way y’all bring up drip sauce when I wasn’t even an experienced scaler and was a year ago .
@@Permanent_Scalez why not debate dripsauce now then? There was literally a diagram representing spatial dimensionality in one of the guides that were talking about the afterlife.
Two metaphysical Non physical such as spirits And Beyond physical such as abstract concepts So you should also state some info To know which type of metaphysical it is.
Koyama is reliable, he’s the major screenwriter for DBZ, and even if it’s his opinions, it doesn’t mean it’s incorrect. And he also stated that if his statements are aligned with sourcebooks such as the Daizenshuu, then they’re correct statements. We know this, because he has direct contact with Toriyama, and even Toriyama states it himself, that his staff is more knowledgeable then him, since he’s a forgetful ahh guy. So basically, anything Koyama states that is aligned with the source books of Dragon Ball, is indeed correct, so in turn he’d also be valid with the earlier statements I have stated.
And obviously he wouldn’t have main authority over Dragon Ball, which is why he states things in his opinions, but like I said earlier, some of Koyama’s statements are in fact true, it just has to be backed up with source books, and maybe even the author himself, (which Toriyama states that the source books are a good source material), which is why I believe that Koyama is valid. It just wouldn’t make sense to me at least, why the person who made Broly himself, is invalid.. I think he is valid y’know what I’m saying?
He said "SS3 solos anime"... Yeah, he is worth about information. Everything that should be considered canon is from Toriyama or Toyotaro. The anime is not canon, everything related with koyama is not close to be considered canon, as he is just part of the anime, everything related with the anime is not close to canon, just Toriyama or Toyotaro can do that, and no, saying "But Toriyama works with the anime, and it is shown on DB Daima" well, that has the strength in argument as saying "Dragon ball and Dragon quest are the same, because akira worked there" or "GT is canon because Akira gave ideas for the SS4", NO, if you're counting that then you're saying the sketches or the post designs of the characters are canon because Akira draw it.
@@lycantubeves5992 The anime is canon. It’s an adaption of the manga, so it still holds the same canonicity, especially since it was worked on by Toriyama, to which you earlier said that whatever is canon in db is from Toriyama, so your argument holds a self contradiction and therefore cannot be true. (Conflicting conditions fallacy.) Get slammed bozo 🚬😮💨👍🏾 #ripbozo Edit : You’re also assuming that Koyama’s statements are invalid without a clear confirmation by either Toriyama nor Toyotaro confirming such a thing, which leads me to believe that you’re either being disingenuous, misinformed, deluded, or all of those things. Koyama also double-checks his statements with TOEI (the studio who produced the anime and its animation & subtitles), to minimize or completely eliminate any confusion or invalidity in his statements. And also, anytime he has a question that he doesn’t know, he’ll often times ask you to go ask Toriyama instead, which again, eliminates any confusion or any invalidity of some kind. And like my top comment said, he’s the screenwriter for DBZ movies & actually worked on some of the DBZ Kai and other spin-offs related to the original manga, so stop blabbering. He also wrote several screenplays of _Dragon Ball._ Not the Dragon Ball _movies,_ but the TV Show itself. Here’s some links giving a deeper explanation on how Koyama’s statements are valid, despite what many think. m.czcams.com/video/Ft5nkTd2hCY/video.html&pp=ygUSa295YW1hIGlzIHJlbGlhYmxl m.czcams.com/video/p9sKmsB6FLo/video.html&pp=ygUSa295YW1hIGlzIHJlbGlhYmxl
@@Rhetorical_Ife still, that doesn't covers that those scenes are not canon with the manga, everything related to the manga is canon, what is shown in the manga is canon; The movies are canon because we don't have a manga to grab on. Koyama once said that the SS3 can solo the anime, which is totally wrong and takes out everything related to koyama, everything to the anime is contradicting and incoherent with the manga, so no, it is not canon and will never be canon, or should I mention how many incoherences or inconsistencies are between them? And you are the misinformed guy, all of this is thanks to a DB youtuber called Seldiondb, who debunked this already.
@@lycantubeves5992 Koyama once said that because he didn’t know at the time. It’s just his own opinion + power scaling is subjective, you should know that by now, so it doesn’t falsify or completely defeat any of his statements. And I’ve already linked two links which explain how Koyama is reliable, you should check them out if you wanna be ignorant here You also claim that what is shown in the manga is canon, even though some things in manga didn’t happen anywhere else in any other canon material. (E.g Ssg Goku vs Hit & Goku using Hakai technique on Fused Zamasu, just to name a few.) You also again claim that everything related to the manga is canon, which means you just contradicted yourself here, because Koyama has close ties with the manga of dragon ball and the creator of it (Akira), and Dragon Ball (TV Show) is closely related to the manga as well. So that’s another conflicting conditions fallacy on your part, which means your argument cannot possible be true. Link to conflicting conditions fallacy and its meaning. See here : www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Conflicting-Conditions
There's an article in Dragon Ball that claims the verse follows Quantum Mechanics, make the verse having a type 3 multiverse which is high hyperversal.. What are you gonna do now?
It would also need to be proven that the db verse truly does follow quantum mechanics or else that article is incorrect (and I'd bet it was made by dragon ball fanboys even if it isn't correct)
What do you think you'd do if you were in the tensura verse (for the sake of this let's say it's the light novel version and you were reincarnated into a different universe than rimuru that is otherwise a copy of the cardinal world)
Hmm depending on how I died and what I get turned into I would probably go to the safest bet and go meet yukki kagurazaka if he exist in this world but I would have to get something very powerful to exchange for a skill or literally anything else
If you were wondering what I'd do if I was in that situation I'd basically try my best to be a version (or counterpart depending on which is the case) of rimuru that's somewhat more interested in gathering power (at least compared to rimuru early on) and chose to give basically the same rules to my nation that he did (though it's very likely I'd have at least a few powers rimuru didn't start with)
As for how you died it's up to you (same with what you reincarnate as because I don't think I should decide how you die and cannonically you do have some way to chose by requesting certain things while dieing) I'll say if you want you can probably chose the same amount of skills as rimuru did (including resistances) and they don't need to be skills that were actually in the tensura verse because from what I remember they can be connected to your previous life and have names that were in your previous life
@@christianwhite8877 OK I died in a particle accelerator I became a snail 🐌 and my skill is unique skill:accelerator , unique skill : particle manipulation.
Interesting, If i was able to I would have died of Atomic bomb during ww3 And as i reincarnate i would gain the power of the force. (Force-The force that existed before the current 4 forces of Gravity,Em,Strong nuclear-Weak nuclear ) I would likely try to go to a remote location Try to create an artificial land under that location and wait for some years until the tenma war ends.
These ppl keep relying on death fallacy statements that holds no weight plus the cosmology is 2-C by law and physics. Nothing gets them pass this SD everything in the datebook was proven to be mistranslation to dbs cosmology. And things heavenly taken out of context as wank. Plus nothing mentioned dbs having mathematical infinity or cardinality scaling. That was insert by dbtards to just a build up a 2-C while not realizing the verse doesn't have any r>f scaling or transcendence...
@@adeadavenger5824 " 1. It wouldn't make sense them describing the animations because if you read down, they state that they wanted to express different dimensions in a 3d mathematical formula so no it wasn't to describe the animation but the actual dimensions that Gogeta and Broly collapsed . 2. There is proof that Gogeta and Broly destroyed dimensions since you see it in the movie and it's clarified in the light novel. " firstly never saw these 2 and as i have said several times This term means nothing without context.
@@adeadavenger5824 does those super dimensions have r>transcendece? Without r>f transcendence even infinite dimensions also high 3A or 2A depends on context
@@mdhamim7552 Super-dimensions are realms beyond the order of dimensionality, meaning it's outerversal.czcams.com/video/ilGeMkpu9T0/video.html&ab_channel=TheMightOfGeburah. This explains more in depth than I can.
Dunny how you can't debunk me and are just bias and ow am sorry I dint know that transcending spacetime is 4d I am so sorry we must be using different fuck8ng wiki for scaling
jk debate got hardstomped by drip_sauce and just can't accept that db is outer he/she even ask proof if the time in dragonball is the same that in our world🤣🤣 jokes channel
I showed you that there are multiple super dimensions.
I know why you pinned my comments. I left and everything was over after that but since you don't want to let it go. I'm going to say what I was going to say after the debate. you won that debate because I was a rookie and you used fallacies that I didn't even know of and then someone else came and debated me instead of you. I mean I still don't know what circular reasoning is.
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@@adeadavenger5824 Circular reasoning is the fallacy in which a person’s premise is used as an argument. Obviously there’s going to be some falsehood concerning that way of arguing.
Apparently a few days ago I found out that broly thinks the tensura verse has no universe's and thinks it's only made of dimensions and thinks that means it can't have galaxy's or anything else a universe has (aside from planets apparently) and thinks that means the tensura verse only can have planet level feats at max and thinks you can't transcend time and space inside a dimension despite the fact that some dimensions can act as universe's (which would allow them to have everything a universe has including galaxy's and everything else a universe has) and even if the tensura verse was only made of dimensions that still means a form of multiverse made of dimensions that act as universe's can exist along with higher dimensions and realms (though if this was the case for the tensura verse the cosmology would have been revealed differently) why this can't be how the cosmology for the tensura verse is because if the parallel timelines were dimensions instead of timelines then rimuru wouldn't have needed to manipulate both time and space to go to it as it would only require space being manipulated because dimensions that have timelines (for example dimensions that act as a universe) can't have parallel timelines as that would require a temporal dimension and a dimension can't have a dimension (aside from a pocket dimension) also dimensions aren't usually known to have a space time continuum like universe's are
But tensura does have universes and dimensions meaning different things
I know but broly is too dumb to think about the fact that the term world can mean universe even if you also explain why the tensura verse can't be made exclusively of dimensions and or realms
@@christianwhite8877 even when it comes to multiversal theory universes are sometimes called world
That's exactly my point he barely recognises that in the tournament of power (if I'm remembering the name of the tournament correctly) goku literally said he wouldn't let someone destroy his world (and he couldn't have meant planet because of the fact goku never said anything like that when stuff involved planets) the fact that is what goku said shows that even he knows that world can mean universe which means goku (the character) mostlikely is smarter than Broly (and goku isn't known for his intelligence he's known for his lack of intelligence)
@@christianwhite8877 true they just try to down play at any interval they get
broo the statments of koyama arn't always his opinion and he's just isn't more reliable than toriyama also the guidebooks cleary said that the ki is metaphysical + i watched the video of drip_sauce, you just...🤣
1.can you prove that his statements on dbs isn’t always his opinion? 2.metaphysical as in non-physical OR beyond physics??? I have already made a debunk on all y’all metaphysics argument I love the way y’all bring up drip sauce when I wasn’t even an experienced scaler and was a year ago .
@@Permanent_Scalez why not debate dripsauce now then? There was literally a diagram representing spatial dimensionality in one of the guides that were talking about the afterlife.
@@dillpickle7400 firstly 🤷♂️ we re debated but nothing came out of it 2 proof?
Two metaphysical
Non physical such as spirits
And
Beyond physical such as abstract concepts
So you should also state some info
To know which type of metaphysical it is.
No the actual two definitions are 1. based on abstract concepts 2. transcendental to physical matter and existential laws.
Koyama is reliable, he’s the major screenwriter for DBZ, and even if it’s his opinions, it doesn’t mean it’s incorrect. And he also stated that if his statements are aligned with sourcebooks such as the Daizenshuu, then they’re correct statements. We know this, because he has direct contact with Toriyama, and even Toriyama states it himself, that his staff is more knowledgeable then him, since he’s a forgetful ahh guy. So basically, anything Koyama states that is aligned with the source books of Dragon Ball, is indeed correct, so in turn he’d also be valid with the earlier statements I have stated.
And obviously he wouldn’t have main authority over Dragon Ball, which is why he states things in his opinions, but like I said earlier, some of Koyama’s statements are in fact true, it just has to be backed up with source books, and maybe even the author himself, (which Toriyama states that the source books are a good source material), which is why I believe that Koyama is valid. It just wouldn’t make sense to me at least, why the person who made Broly himself, is invalid.. I think he is valid y’know what I’m saying?
He said "SS3 solos anime"... Yeah, he is worth about information.
Everything that should be considered canon is from Toriyama or Toyotaro.
The anime is not canon, everything related with koyama is not close to be considered canon, as he is just part of the anime, everything related with the anime is not close to canon, just Toriyama or Toyotaro can do that, and no, saying "But Toriyama works with the anime, and it is shown on DB Daima" well, that has the strength in argument as saying "Dragon ball and Dragon quest are the same, because akira worked there" or "GT is canon because Akira gave ideas for the SS4", NO, if you're counting that then you're saying the sketches or the post designs of the characters are canon because Akira draw it.
@@lycantubeves5992 The anime is canon. It’s an adaption of the manga, so it still holds the same canonicity, especially since it was worked on by Toriyama, to which you earlier said that whatever is canon in db is from Toriyama, so your argument holds a self contradiction and therefore cannot be true. (Conflicting conditions fallacy.) Get slammed bozo 🚬😮💨👍🏾 #ripbozo
Edit : You’re also assuming that Koyama’s statements are invalid without a clear confirmation by either Toriyama nor Toyotaro confirming such a thing, which leads me to believe that you’re either being disingenuous, misinformed, deluded, or all of those things.
Koyama also double-checks his statements with TOEI (the studio who produced the anime and its animation & subtitles), to minimize or completely eliminate any confusion or invalidity in his statements. And also, anytime he has a question that he doesn’t know, he’ll often times ask you to go ask Toriyama instead, which again, eliminates any confusion or any invalidity of some kind. And like my top comment said, he’s the screenwriter for DBZ movies & actually worked on some of the DBZ Kai and other spin-offs related to the original manga, so stop blabbering.
He also wrote several screenplays of _Dragon Ball._ Not the Dragon Ball _movies,_ but the TV Show itself.
Here’s some links giving a deeper explanation on how Koyama’s statements are valid, despite what many think.
m.czcams.com/video/Ft5nkTd2hCY/video.html&pp=ygUSa295YW1hIGlzIHJlbGlhYmxl
m.czcams.com/video/p9sKmsB6FLo/video.html&pp=ygUSa295YW1hIGlzIHJlbGlhYmxl
@@Rhetorical_Ife still, that doesn't covers that those scenes are not canon with the manga, everything related to the manga is canon, what is shown in the manga is canon; The movies are canon because we don't have a manga to grab on.
Koyama once said that the SS3 can solo the anime, which is totally wrong and takes out everything related to koyama, everything to the anime is contradicting and incoherent with the manga, so no, it is not canon and will never be canon, or should I mention how many incoherences or inconsistencies are between them?
And you are the misinformed guy, all of this is thanks to a DB youtuber called Seldiondb, who debunked this already.
@@lycantubeves5992 Koyama once said that because he didn’t know at the time. It’s just his own opinion + power scaling is subjective, you should know that by now, so it doesn’t falsify or completely defeat any of his statements. And I’ve already linked two links which explain how Koyama is reliable, you should check them out if you wanna be ignorant here
You also claim that what is shown in the manga is canon, even though some things in manga didn’t happen anywhere else in any other canon material. (E.g Ssg Goku vs Hit & Goku using Hakai technique on Fused Zamasu, just to name a few.)
You also again claim that everything related to the manga is canon, which means you just contradicted yourself here, because Koyama has close ties with the manga of dragon ball and the creator of it (Akira), and Dragon Ball (TV Show) is closely related to the manga as well. So that’s another conflicting conditions fallacy on your part, which means your argument cannot possible be true.
Link to conflicting conditions fallacy and its meaning.
See here : www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Conflicting-Conditions
There's an article in Dragon Ball that claims the verse follows Quantum Mechanics, make the verse having a type 3 multiverse which is high hyperversal.. What are you gonna do now?
😐🤣 easy prove goku can destroy all of the universes in the type 3 multivers even the higher dimensional ones or else fodder
@@Permanent_Scalez Goku and Beerus's fist clashes were about to destroy the universe
@@michael_demiurgos2034 🤣 bruv you do know each universe within a type 3 multiverse is separated by different spacetimes correct
It would also need to be proven that the db verse truly does follow quantum mechanics or else that article is incorrect (and I'd bet it was made by dragon ball fanboys even if it isn't correct)
@@christianwhite8877 🤣 true
What do you think you'd do if you were in the tensura verse (for the sake of this let's say it's the light novel version and you were reincarnated into a different universe than rimuru that is otherwise a copy of the cardinal world)
Hmm depending on how I died and what I get turned into I would probably go to the safest bet and go meet yukki kagurazaka if he exist in this world but I would have to get something very powerful to exchange for a skill or literally anything else
If you were wondering what I'd do if I was in that situation I'd basically try my best to be a version (or counterpart depending on which is the case) of rimuru that's somewhat more interested in gathering power (at least compared to rimuru early on) and chose to give basically the same rules to my nation that he did (though it's very likely I'd have at least a few powers rimuru didn't start with)
As for how you died it's up to you (same with what you reincarnate as because I don't think I should decide how you die and cannonically you do have some way to chose by requesting certain things while dieing) I'll say if you want you can probably chose the same amount of skills as rimuru did (including resistances) and they don't need to be skills that were actually in the tensura verse because from what I remember they can be connected to your previous life and have names that were in your previous life
@@christianwhite8877 OK I died in a particle accelerator I became a snail 🐌 and my skill is unique skill:accelerator , unique skill : particle manipulation.
Interesting,
If i was able to
I would have died of
Atomic bomb during ww3
And as i reincarnate i would gain the power of the force.
(Force-The force that existed before the current 4 forces of Gravity,Em,Strong nuclear-Weak nuclear )
I would likely try to go to a remote location
Try to create an artificial land under that location and wait for some years until the tenma war ends.
Fax
These ppl keep relying on death fallacy statements that holds no weight plus the cosmology is 2-C by law and physics. Nothing gets them pass this SD everything in the datebook was proven to be mistranslation to dbs cosmology. And things heavenly taken out of context as wank. Plus nothing mentioned dbs having mathematical infinity or cardinality scaling. That was insert by dbtards to just a build up a 2-C while not realizing the verse doesn't have any r>f scaling or transcendence...
You my friend just got a pin
@@Permanent_Scalez
Thank you my friend u the best
@@lva4214 np
I clearly showed you that there are multiple super dimensions.
@@adeadavenger5824 " 1. It wouldn't make sense them describing the animations because if you read down, they state that they wanted to express different dimensions in a 3d mathematical formula so no it wasn't to describe the animation but the actual dimensions that Gogeta and Broly collapsed . 2. There is proof that Gogeta and Broly destroyed dimensions since you see it in the movie and it's clarified in the light novel. " firstly never saw these 2 and as i have said several times This term means nothing without context.
bro did nothing 💀😂
mfs are trying so hard to get goku to outer
Fax
Dragon Ball is not hyperverse at best multiverse level.
What?
@@Permanent_Scalez cosmology
Lmao so again same ass logic they are putting to get db outer 🤣🤣🤓🤓
And nice video
Goku is outerversal. So, stop it. Everyone, always downplaying Goku.
@@adeadavenger5824 at best 5D .I am not seeing higher than this.
It's not easy to become outerversal by this types of logic and scaling
@@mdhamim7552 I've showed him being able to destroy super-dimensions.
@@adeadavenger5824 does those super dimensions have r>transcendece?
Without r>f transcendence even infinite dimensions also high 3A or 2A depends on context
@@mdhamim7552 Super-dimensions are realms beyond the order of dimensionality, meaning it's outerversal.czcams.com/video/ilGeMkpu9T0/video.html&ab_channel=TheMightOfGeburah. This explains more in depth than I can.
Crazy how this debunk is ass and Rimuru is still 4D at max while downplayed Goku is 5D minimum
Dunny how you can't debunk me and are just bias and ow am sorry I dint know that transcending spacetime is 4d I am so sorry we must be using different fuck8ng wiki for scaling
@@Permanent_Scalez sounds like further into planetary to me😶
@@gravity5723 transcending spacetime.s is planetary ok buddy 😂
@@Permanent_Scalez i said further into planetary
@@gravity5723 Goku at best planetary then
Ww
jk debate got hardstomped by drip_sauce and just can't accept that db is outer he/she even ask proof if the time in dragonball is the same that in our world🤣🤣 jokes channel