Helldivers 2 Situation is Sad

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  • @skullbroski
    @skullbroski Před měsícem +32612

    The greatest irony of this is a game based entirely around satirical democracy is being killed by a dictatorship

    • @Spubbily01
      @Spubbily01 Před měsícem +1768

      Art imitates life imitates art

    • @pyerack
      @pyerack Před měsícem +871

      Corporatocracy* but might as well be the same thing.

    • @madarah8533
      @madarah8533 Před měsícem

      Companies are inherently authoritarian and they certainly act like it

    • @PingasFumberto
      @PingasFumberto Před měsícem

      @@madarah8533Marxist detected 🤢🤢🤮

    • @schmorgus4592
      @schmorgus4592 Před měsícem +122

      Can someone explain why this is such a huge deal? Like I genuinely don't understand why so many people have their panties in a twist. Grounded and minecraft force you to log into a Microsoft account, rdr2 and gta5 require a Rockstar account to play online, an I believe hound you over and over if you want to play singleplayer. While I generally dislike the practice, it's been going on for well over 10 years, and just now are people complaining

  • @cosmic7639
    @cosmic7639 Před měsícem +36398

    "We had a good thing Walt...and you had to go and fuck it up"

    •  Před měsícem +11

      penguinz0?! More like poopooz0!
      I make better content..

    • @Aredel
      @Aredel Před měsícem +1394

      “You, and your pride and your ego!”

    • @crisscross2844
      @crisscross2844 Před měsícem +510

      The bots are hungry today it seems…

    • @OogaBooga24723
      @OogaBooga24723 Před měsícem +299

      Holy bots Batman!

    • @BiGayguy
      @BiGayguy Před měsícem +56

      ​@@OogaBooga24723 Cleaned it up a bit.

  • @SmonkTheGreat
    @SmonkTheGreat Před měsícem +2717

    GOOD NEWS, as of this morning they backpedaled the PSN requirement. More communities need to get together and demand higher quality games.

    • @plmokm33
      @plmokm33 Před měsícem +106

      People still can't access it in the disabled countries so the main issue hasn't been fixed.

    • @SeanUCF
      @SeanUCF Před měsícem +40

      PlayStation network required tag is still up on Steam. They haven't backpedaled shit.

    • @lifeiscats1337
      @lifeiscats1337 Před měsícem +13

      4 hours after you typed that, he uploaded a video on it lol.

    • @snowman1886
      @snowman1886 Před měsícem +4

      Call of Duty, all EA games, and all Ubisoft games

    • @maddlarkin
      @maddlarkin Před měsícem +1

      In cooperate terms it was a pretty strong statement and given it came so quickly on Monday morning I suspect there was some significant legal exposure, thata probably why I would guess Steam took down the Helldivers 2 page in countries without PSN to limit their liability, I'd guess it's staying that way till they have confirmation from Sony that this won't be revisited before re-enabling it and making any alterations to the Steam page, that'll likely take longer for an agreed wording both are happy with (or at least can live with)
      What worries me a little more is the 'other systems' they will be exploring for banning players and moderating as from what I saw the community team was a little to excited to get access to PC users and start banning without going through Steam, hopefully nothing will be workable and they'll just have to live with going through Steam, but I can see something in game your obliged to sign up to so we'll have to keep an eye out for that. Way I see it, this is a win, a big one, but we'll need to be wary going foward

  • @xPASTY
    @xPASTY Před měsícem +430

    Update: Sony has walked back their goofball decision.

    • @Brad-lt2re
      @Brad-lt2re Před měsícem +4

      Nope

    • @EdwardoNuttbuster
      @EdwardoNuttbuster Před měsícem +17

      @@Brad-lt2rewhat? Did you even care to see or did you decide to just go on the first thing you heard and forgot the concept of time and thing changing over time

    • @BulletSponge71436
      @BulletSponge71436 Před měsícem +18

      @@EdwardoNuttbuster The only thing left is to give us back the ability to buy the game in all of those 177 blocked countries...

    • @ragedits_
      @ragedits_ Před 28 dny +1

      @@EdwardoNuttbusterI heard they tricked everyone

    • @EdwardoNuttbuster
      @EdwardoNuttbuster Před 28 dny +2

      @@ragedits_ I haven’t heard anything other than them going back

  • @dizzyhq5100
    @dizzyhq5100 Před měsícem +33012

    The helldivers issue just underscores that idea that it can take a lifetime to build a reputation and only a moment to ruin it

    • @DontReadMyProfilePicture102
      @DontReadMyProfilePicture102 Před měsícem +34

      *Don’t read my name….* 👑

    • @Sirdilophosaurusthethird2.0
      @Sirdilophosaurusthethird2.0 Před měsícem

      @@DontReadMyProfilePicture102 nerd

    • @Sirdilophosaurusthethird2.0
      @Sirdilophosaurusthethird2.0 Před měsícem

      @@DontReadMyProfilePicture102 nerd

    •  Před měsícem +23

      penguinz0?! More like poopooz0!
      I make better content..

    • @ZoeyL4d2
      @ZoeyL4d2 Před měsícem +355

      They didn’t really ruin anything at the end of the day people are still going to buy games and consoles lol i’m not siding with them but this is stupid

  • @eternallyd3d
    @eternallyd3d Před měsícem +17023

    Someone left this steam review that sums up this whole conundrum:
    “I was so busy having fun that I forgot about corporate greed for a moment.”
    Nice going Sony.
    Edit 1: As of May 6, Sony announced on their official twitter that they’re back peddling on the PSN requirement and not moving forward. Great job all around for the fans; the outcry against dictatorship has come in clutch and turned the tables.

    • @fluffly8935
      @fluffly8935 Před měsícem +132

      Wait till you find out every other company does this

    • @apkeggs7401
      @apkeggs7401 Před měsícem +472

      ​@@fluffly8935 literally who? Who else has let you not use an account for 3 months and then suddenly you have to use it

    • @ZoeyL4d2
      @ZoeyL4d2 Před měsícem

      @@apkeggs7401 Gears 5 on steam does this and i can name about 30 more

    • @exanthus9131
      @exanthus9131 Před měsícem +91

      ​@@apkeggs7401 Microsoft with minecraft, anything else?

    • @Whenwhereeverywhere
      @Whenwhereeverywhere Před měsícem

      @@fluffly8935no, nobody else does this

  • @ChillavaKirby
    @ChillavaKirby Před měsícem +115

    “They were able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory” is such an incredible line lmfaaaooo

  • @porkymonk9065
    @porkymonk9065 Před měsícem +247

    We won… WE WON! Sony has caved and taken away the PSN requirement

    • @davidsprott3216
      @davidsprott3216 Před měsícem +3

      fr?

    • @yankee66
      @yankee66 Před měsícem +1

      @@davidsprott3216 yep

    • @JudgementalWaterfoul
      @JudgementalWaterfoul Před měsícem +18

      ​@yankee66 that may be the case but they blocked the game for purchase in those 170+ countries.

    • @KateyIsLost
      @KateyIsLost Před měsícem +2

      a rare W for consumers

    • @fleurala
      @fleurala Před měsícem +1

      Can't believe they would even try that bs??

  • @RyanYewell
    @RyanYewell Před měsícem +11363

    I live in Rwanda, gifted Helldivers 2 to my friend at launch, in a month it will be a digital paperweight. So stupid.

    • @npcimknot958
      @npcimknot958 Před měsícem

      What’s f up is.. it really is an attack on countires that aren’t “ first first first’ world. So that kinda racist..

    • @SleepLessThan3
      @SleepLessThan3 Před měsícem +1355

      Apparently steam is giving refunds regardless of hours played

    • @nirolf12
      @nirolf12 Před měsícem +646

      You may be able to get a refund from Steam

    • @tempname8263
      @tempname8263 Před měsícem +201

      @@SleepLessThan3 Do gifts have refunds?

    • @TheTuttle99
      @TheTuttle99 Před měsícem +494

      Yup as others have said, steam is honouring refunds for those in countries affected

  • @jaidenm6464
    @jaidenm6464 Před měsícem +9245

    Sony shits the bed what a surprise

  • @Merica1789
    @Merica1789 Před měsícem +21

    I love that by the time most of these videos went up, super earth fought back and won

    • @GG07ghost
      @GG07ghost Před 15 dny

      Still baned from 180 countries

  • @NBaker197
    @NBaker197 Před měsícem +18

    I wonder if the game devs could sue Sony for this. That would be pretty groundbreaking

    • @redcobra1246
      @redcobra1246 Před 29 dny +2

      That'd be amazing but considering Sony funds their game seems very risky and burns that bridge from future games.

  • @CopperLoveAndKisses
    @CopperLoveAndKisses Před měsícem +9077

    Sony’s got the ball, Sony’s got the ball, he’s gonna dunk, he’s gonna dunk! Aaand he completely fucking missed.

    • @redrad4205
      @redrad4205 Před měsícem +12

      yall are just throwing a trantrum the only reason u didn't have to was because the servers couldn't take it and they said u WILL NEED IT DAY 1 ITS ON THE STEAM PAGE SINCE DAY 1

    • @bruhyoulowontime9009
      @bruhyoulowontime9009 Před měsícem

      @@redrad4205 Sony said it themselves it wasn’t required for the longest time they are only doing this shit now to boost their active player numbers up

    • @goldsteins7819
      @goldsteins7819 Před měsícem +646

      @@redrad4205 They literally changed the ToS of PSN linking from Optional to Required? What are you getting from licking a corporate boot, wth. If you don't have any issues then go enjoy the game, let those that have problems complain, tf.

    • @lostcause4002
      @lostcause4002 Před měsícem +260

      @@redrad4205 except it allowed people to play the game without it. They took that freedom away and are now suffering the consequence. You can let them push you around but others aren't.

    • @TheonetruedogTheDog
      @TheonetruedogTheDog Před měsícem +196

      They didn't just completely miss, they somehow slammed the ball into their own goddamn hoop

  • @SilverPhoenix_
    @SilverPhoenix_ Před měsícem +2695

    As of 28 minutes ago Sony posted on Twitter: “Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.
    We’re still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable. Thanks again for your continued support of Helldivers 2 and we’ll keep you updated on future plans.”

    • @spongegobler3449
      @spongegobler3449 Před měsícem +522

      That’s either amazing new or you’re an S-Tier gaslighter

    • @blue89538
      @blue89538 Před měsícem

      @@spongegobler3449its true

    • @benjohnson2624
      @benjohnson2624 Před měsícem +155

      Managed Democracy triumphs once more. For Super Earth!

    • @darkassassin6457
      @darkassassin6457 Před měsícem +279

      can confirm, its on the playstation twitter. hope they do follow through with this

    • @MurkTheCreator
      @MurkTheCreator Před měsícem +56

      can confirm Super Earth is safe

  • @He11raiser01
    @He11raiser01 Před měsícem +45

    9:05 "Huffing moron potions"
    Potion sella! I am going into battle with the gaming community, and I need your STRONGEST potions!

    • @mikelord93
      @mikelord93 Před 23 dny

      "GET YOUR MORON POTION, GETYOUR MORON POTION. WE HAVE 3 FOR THE PRICE OF 4 AND 10 FOR THE PRICE OF 12. HUFF THIS AND EVERYONE AROUND YOU STARTS LOOKING LIKE CASHCOW MORONS." (Disclaimer: Moron potion (TM) doesn't make you smart. Moron potion (TM) only makes you think you are a genius. Use only as a means to boost confidence in dire, lifethreatning circumstances)

    • @mikelord93
      @mikelord93 Před 23 dny +1

      "GET YOUR MOR0N POTION, GET YOUR MOR0N POTION! 3 FOR THE PRICE OF 4 AND 10 FOR THE PRICE OF 12! MAKE EVERYONE AROUND YOU SOUND LIKE MOR0NS WITH A SINGLE HUFF"
      Disclaimer: Mor0n potion (TM) doesn't make you smart. Mor0n potion (TM) only makes you think you are a genius. Only consume for boosting confidence in life threatning situations. Prolonged use might affect motor and executive functions. Not suitable for children and pregnant women.

    • @mikelord93
      @mikelord93 Před 23 dny

      Omfg, youtube bots won't let me post my hillarious comment

    • @mikelord93
      @mikelord93 Před 23 dny

      Pretendint to be an ambulant potion seller and giving a disclaimer at the end. It was perfect

  • @Lightingstreak
    @Lightingstreak Před měsícem +3

    What’s funny is they could have got a majority of the playerbase to link an account easily by making it have a cosmetic incentive. So if you linked ur account you would get an exclusive set or something that way people who have accounts are more inclined to do it and people who don’t don’t have to

  • @theunprofessionallurker
    @theunprofessionallurker Před měsícem +3678

    "I am altering the TOS. Pray I don't alter it any further." - Sony probably

    • @CBRN-115
      @CBRN-115 Před měsícem +35

      This

    • @reinn-df2ti
      @reinn-df2ti Před měsícem +7

      hahaha

    • @birdmonster115
      @birdmonster115 Před měsícem +6

      😂😂

    • @candidklutz5056
      @candidklutz5056 Před měsícem +38

      they didnt alter it. the devs knew 6 months before launch that it would be mandatory. they had absolutely no reason to allow people to skip signing into psn for 3 months, yet they did. as much as sony sucks, this one is entirely on arrowhead

    • @user-vd5uq4uc9b
      @user-vd5uq4uc9b Před měsícem +1

      Wherez my x wing?

  • @darthzayexeet3653
    @darthzayexeet3653 Před měsícem +1958

    Sony: *“You turned them against me!”*
    Arrowhead: *“You have done that yourself.”*

    • @blackwatertv7018
      @blackwatertv7018 Před měsícem +52

      To be fair people hated Sony already

    • @noahthecrazy1632
      @noahthecrazy1632 Před měsícem +5

      A surprise to be sure but a welcome one

    • @mightypepper7719
      @mightypepper7719 Před měsícem +3

      Nice

    • @Darthwgamer
      @Darthwgamer Před měsícem +6

      @@blackwatertv7018 Yeah I'm starting to think Sony wants that for some reason.

    • @caboose22320
      @caboose22320 Před měsícem

      People who aren't in a PSN region can just make a Sony account and lie about the country and no you won't get banned, been doing it for over a decade. The data argument is also invalid. You're afraid of them leaking your email and Sony password? Just make your Sony password a unique one. I'm just saying this situation is mildly inconvenient at worst and PC players are destroying this community for literally no reason. It's also an insane assumption that you're just gonna SOL and be stuck with an unplayable game.

  • @stupidnormie7121
    @stupidnormie7121 Před měsícem +13

    They supposedly are walking back

  • @avemarduk3718
    @avemarduk3718 Před měsícem +2

    It's not only just a nuisance to have to link accounts like this.
    It's also yet another way for these corporations that want you to link your already established account on some other platform, to accounts on their platform, to collect your data.
    Which likely includes, but is not limited to all of your communications with other players while in-game lol.

  • @BrandEver117
    @BrandEver117 Před měsícem +1823

    "This wasn't part of the user agreement!"
    "I have altered the user agreement. Pray I do not alter it further."

    • @valx7586
      @valx7586 Před měsícem +30

      I'm hoping things brings more eyes to the fact that most terms and conditions are there to give power and control to the corps not to protect your experience or their IP

    • @HTMangaka
      @HTMangaka Před měsícem +13

      My favorite "Shoot Space bugs" game actually came out 26 years ago.
      ...it's called Starcraft. Man, I miss it so.

    • @huntresswizard569
      @huntresswizard569 Před měsícem +5

      ​@@HTMangaka deep rock galactic best bug shooter

    • @BAM_BAM_XCI
      @BAM_BAM_XCI Před měsícem +5

      i was always part of the user agreement when buying the game
      it wasn't changed (im not agreeing to it i think its crap but it was aways in the user agreement it was required)

    • @HTMangaka
      @HTMangaka Před měsícem +1

      @@huntresswizard569 Oh, snap! That looks AWESOME! O_O

  • @Dwayne_LaFontant
    @Dwayne_LaFontant Před měsícem +17630

    Congratulations. You managed to remove yourself from 90% of all markets. Well done Sony.
    Edit: they decided they actually like money and reverted the change. And I thought this big business hated money for a second.

    • @AzparoGuardian
      @AzparoGuardian Před měsícem +696

      I wouldn't say 90%, it's more like 35-40% from country that can't make psn account.
      And maybe 20-30% more from people boycotting

    • @thereprehensible435
      @thereprehensible435 Před měsícem +484

      177 regions man.

    • @kiraj9186
      @kiraj9186 Před měsícem +197

      Yea, most of Europe and Americas is only 10% market

    • @alexanderforrest1983
      @alexanderforrest1983 Před měsícem +431

      @@AzparoGuardian55-70% removal of plays is still very bad.

    • @CrimStarGaming
      @CrimStarGaming Před měsícem +78

      The player count is still around 100k after the 177 region removal.

  • @DanTheMan-ck4vh
    @DanTheMan-ck4vh Před měsícem +12

    THEY ROLLED IT BACK!!!

  • @Smitty19966
    @Smitty19966 Před 29 dny +1

    What companies will do for your information is insane.

  • @Spoonymanynoops
    @Spoonymanynoops Před měsícem +16694

    "Due to your data being too expensive to harvest, we are removing Helldivers 2 from Steam in your region."

    • @flykz255
      @flykz255 Před měsícem

      Nah, its bc nobody gives a fuck abt a 3rd would country enough to buy someones info from it bc its useless

    • @Sw33tBabyRays
      @Sw33tBabyRays Před měsícem +315

      It was literally removed from the regions where ppl wouldn’t be able to make a PSN account hence they wouldn’t be able to play the game.😂

    • @thelastant8366
      @thelastant8366 Před měsícem +1006

      ​@@Sw33tBabyRaysand yet they could play just fine before, no refunds either

    • @bestieswithtesties
      @bestieswithtesties Před měsícem +108

      Tell me you have no idea what's going on without telling me you have no idea what's going on

    • @izaruburs9389
      @izaruburs9389 Před měsícem

      ​@@thelastant8366They were able to play it, because you didn't need a PSN account.

  • @SadlySully
    @SadlySully Před měsícem +5851

    I feel bad for the devs, Sony really shot them in the foot.

    • @DontReadMyProfilePicture102
      @DontReadMyProfilePicture102 Před měsícem +5

      *Don’t read my name….* 👑

    • @bugz1176
      @bugz1176 Před měsícem +321

      Their community manager didn't help....

    • @michaeldeaton
      @michaeldeaton Před měsícem +285

      Devs made the agreement, knew 6 months ago about this.
      Y'all got played.

    • @ZoeyL4d2
      @ZoeyL4d2 Před měsícem +90

      They knew about this like 6-8 months ago they didn’t shoot anyone in the foot

    • @wahttehfuk
      @wahttehfuk Před měsícem +115

      Nah. They agreed to it to begin with, purposefully hid it from consumers, and then tried to blame Sony at the end of it all. They knew the entire time, and chose not to say anything about it. The devs are just as bad - if not worse.

  • @kingpin-9579
    @kingpin-9579 Před měsícem +4

    Rather than making it mandatory, they could just give in-game rewards to anyone connecting their account to a PSN account. Sony would gain their metrics, the executives would get their bonus, the players would be happy. Problem solved. But no, they have to make it hard

  • @brus6950
    @brus6950 Před měsícem +7

    It took Charlie to make an video for Sony to backdown.. the power of black shirt lol

  • @mrmeow3433
    @mrmeow3433 Před měsícem +3076

    I can't imagine how Arrowhead is feeling about Sony screwing up 7 years worth of work on the game.

    • @Aredel
      @Aredel Před měsícem +284

      Probably feeling like Microsoft ain’t such a bad idea

    • @ButteryEvolution.
      @ButteryEvolution. Před měsícem +353

      ​@@AredelYeah, but they're owned by Sony, so they've effectively just been impaled and left to die.

    • @ProtocolAbyss
      @ProtocolAbyss Před měsícem +54

      @@ButteryEvolution.hot by an arrow you could say?

    • @claudioaberrocales6928
      @claudioaberrocales6928 Před měsícem +48

      9. 9 years man

    • @apkeggs7401
      @apkeggs7401 Před měsícem +21

      ​@@ProtocolAbyssnah, arrowhead had nothing to do with this decision

  • @patron8597
    @patron8597 Před měsícem +2650

    The typical next step for the suits would be "Well the game is rated very badly, which means the dev team is incompetent. Let's fire/close them."
    Edit: I was wrong and even though I don't play that game, I'm glad I was wrong.

    • @wykydytron
      @wykydytron Před měsícem +138

      Good, they need to be free from Soyny and make great games on their own.

    • @Micecheese
      @Micecheese Před měsícem +21

      Arrowhead became the dictatorship it told us to destroy

    • @buttahXD
      @buttahXD Před měsícem +322

      @@Micecheese Its literally Sony doing this, not Arrowhead. While they should've known that Sony was going to McFuck up their entire gig here, I doubt they figured it would be three months in instead of over a year after.

    • @theapproachingstorm2133
      @theapproachingstorm2133 Před měsícem +52

      ​​@Micecheese Not arrowhead, they are literally talking bad about Sony for this

    • @elliotpoco7539
      @elliotpoco7539 Před měsícem

      Good. I hope they will fire them all.

  • @Rhyno012345
    @Rhyno012345 Před 18 dny +1

    I think “pulling a Helldiver” should be the official term to describe having an amazing thing going and ruining it with one bad decision.

  • @lucaslycan6759
    @lucaslycan6759 Před měsícem +2

    Wasn't even a fully 24 hours after this video that they actually changed their minds. Wild

  • @GibbsonTV
    @GibbsonTV Před měsícem +3624

    Trusting your account with Sony is the equivalent of trusting Patrick star with your #54 ultra rare animated mermaid man and barnacle boy trading card

  • @Jokin_Jake
    @Jokin_Jake Před měsícem +2047

    The fact that a game this popular died over the course of a week due to something the developers had no control over sucks.

    • @KaiBue
      @KaiBue Před měsícem +90

      Oh they knew what they were doing and absolutely had a part in this bs

    • @KikinCh1kin
      @KikinCh1kin Před měsícem +66

      Whats absolutely crazy is that in the past 3 days there have been as many negative reviews as there were positive reviews over the last 3 months.

    • @superspy-xv9sx
      @superspy-xv9sx Před měsícem +147

      @@KaiBue The developers could have done more, but keep in mind that Sony manages the game's release and the marketing behind it. Arrowhead only has direct control over the development of the game, sony does everything else.

    • @ThatBackroomsFan
      @ThatBackroomsFan Před měsícem +47

      @@KaiBuethe fuck are you on about?

    • @Spectrum0122
      @Spectrum0122 Před měsícem +8

      "No control"

  • @WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot3267
    @WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot3267 Před měsícem +4

    Sony has since announced that they will not be moving forward with their decision.

  • @ThatNinjaLowkey
    @ThatNinjaLowkey Před měsícem +6

    So for a proper update for my patriotic brothers, we beat sony✊🏽

  • @MongoTarzan
    @MongoTarzan Před měsícem +1701

    Sony "try not to ruin a great game with corporate greed" challenge (difficulty: impossible)

    • @loyaljokster3371
      @loyaljokster3371 Před měsícem +60

      Difficultly: Helldiver

    • @meatmuncher23
      @meatmuncher23 Před měsícem +1

      It’s not even corporate greed since they make money off steam purchase anyways

    • @MamaMia145
      @MamaMia145 Před měsícem +34

      ​@@meatmuncher23do not act like Sony isn't greedy

    • @Bruh-bp6nn
      @Bruh-bp6nn Před měsícem

      @@MamaMia145they’re not

    • @chrisjohnson1917
      @chrisjohnson1917 Před měsícem

      @@meatmuncher23 It is, because to have a PSN account you have to upload an ID now a days. They sell all of the information you provide to them. Name, Address, DL/ID Number, Birthday, ect. With this many people refusing to create an account and sharing this info with them has the financial repercussion that they cannot sell the info for those people. Additionally, many people are turned away from them due to actions like this, loss of data via hacks, ect. They have reduced their market & market share.

  • @firstdeaths
    @firstdeaths Před měsícem +1743

    "Oh, you're having fun with Helldivers 2? Let's take away that fun and replace it with suffering!"
    Thanks, Sony.

    • @readett756
      @readett756 Před měsícem +3

      Cope

    • @charles_teak
      @charles_teak Před měsícem +41

      ​@@readett756Yes, we are. Thanks for your concern

    • @paxnpaxn3231
      @paxnpaxn3231 Před měsícem +20

      @@readett756sony fanboy detected

    • @VashxTSx
      @VashxTSx Před měsícem

      Nintendo would have nuked the entire project back into the Stone Age. Honestly, probably a better outcome. The game will die off anyway.

    • @dark6335
      @dark6335 Před měsícem +2

      I still dunno why arrowhead straight up dont sue sony, its illegal to sabotage a game cuz you dont fully own it, yes I said it, sabotage, as what sony did falls under what sabotaging means

  • @jordanfrench3295
    @jordanfrench3295 Před 29 dny +2

    I'm from the future, Sony backed off on the Account linking the day after this video was posted (or the same day, depending on your time zone)

  • @SkullBlack54
    @SkullBlack54 Před měsícem

    I think what it is is that they made it optional initially thinking that most people would link their accounts, with few skipping that. But when nobody did it voluntarily they decided to force it on everyone

  • @lahirebrz
    @lahirebrz Před měsícem +1666

    It's just sad to see how a big soulless company can ruin an amazing project, how a studio can be affected by choices of people who have nothing to do with their project.

    • @ketch10
      @ketch10 Před měsícem +16

      Money!

    • @GrayWolf5000
      @GrayWolf5000 Před měsícem +4

      "nothing to do with their project" where exactly do you think they got money from to make the game and pay employees?

    • @rox3725
      @rox3725 Před měsícem +1

      Oh well, you'll forget about this in a week.

    • @mikea5745
      @mikea5745 Před měsícem +75

      @@GrayWolf5000 Do you credit your employer with buying your car? Do you thank the bank for your home? Providing capital is not the same as actually doing the work

    • @chadgunner4403
      @chadgunner4403 Před měsícem +19

      Just because Sony fund them don't mean they own them. Don't get trapped in the hierarchy realist mentality

  • @CrypidLore
    @CrypidLore Před měsícem +1403

    You can't refund a game if you've played more than 2 hours, the game company however, CAN change ToS after you've played 2 hours, seems perfectly legit.

    • @janitorscruffy7834
      @janitorscruffy7834 Před měsícem +205

      Rn you can refund helldivers 2 no matter what, people with hundreds of hours are getting refunds

    • @user-it3xy2cw1t
      @user-it3xy2cw1t Před měsícem +43

      Try getting a manual review since the first few tries are automated

    • @philaxty8420
      @philaxty8420 Před měsícem +102

      If you tell steam that it’s because of the change in terms of service, they should give you a refund. It just has to be said in a specific way and you have to say it has to do with multiplayer.

    • @lukaslanger8077
      @lukaslanger8077 Před měsícem

      @@janitorscruffy7834 No i did not, i tried it. Apparently only those people in banned countries get refunds.

    • @nahrud6455
      @nahrud6455 Před měsícem +34

      you can still refund after 2 hours its just it wont be instantly refunded, someone would have to manually review and approve it

  • @Grim327
    @Grim327 Před měsícem +1

    This probably had a good bit to do with its success and Sony wanting to cut out Valves take on the microtransactions since they were processed through Steam

  • @shockwavegaming5907
    @shockwavegaming5907 Před měsícem

    I love how shortly after this video went up they went back on all of this lol

  • @dariusz.9119
    @dariusz.9119 Před měsícem +1073

    I agree with Louis Rossman on this. If the devs/publishers can change the ToS at any moment after your purchase then gamers/customers should be able to return the product at any moment with no questions asked

    • @jbmp1390
      @jbmp1390 Před měsícem +19

      Exactly

    • @Cherry_VCR
      @Cherry_VCR Před měsícem +4

      Exactly Chain

    • @MikeHawkaMildlyStank
      @MikeHawkaMildlyStank Před měsícem +8

      Yeah… i always thought tos was a contract of sorts… guess not lmao

    • @engagex1
      @engagex1 Před měsícem +1

      Lol we wish

    • @notanonymous3976
      @notanonymous3976 Před měsícem +2

      this would definitely be abused. business needs security as well. i would refund every game that changes policy everytime i need cashflow

  • @ryatt9365
    @ryatt9365 Před měsícem +1269

    Sony really let Arrowhead cook up one of the best games of the last decade, and just as it was looking like this game would actually be more than one of those hits that only lasts for a month or two, they just thought “Now if only there were a way for us to fuck this up.”
    God damn I hate video game publishers.

    • @MorfsPrower
      @MorfsPrower Před měsícem +1

      They're legitimately useless. Just corporate bloat with predatory legal teams and braindead execs.
      Self publishing is the way to go, come hell or high water. Is corporate money really worth the losses that negate the investment put in?

    • @thephilosopher7173
      @thephilosopher7173 Před měsícem +11

      Ppl are overreacting imo. Sony is looking at you all and shrugging their shoulders. AH is in a panic, and players are gonna continue to play games that have the same requirements being asked of right now. The difference? They just asked for it earlier.

    • @alexrastelli7323
      @alexrastelli7323 Před měsícem +7

      HD was nothing more than the twitch flavor of the month game - people were just deluding themselves that it wasn’t.

    • @ghuldorgrey
      @ghuldorgrey Před měsícem +2

      ​@@thephilosopher7173 You delusional clown. 177 Regions basically cant play this game anymore BECAUSE PSN doesnt exist in many countries.

    • @zorkblat3858
      @zorkblat3858 Před měsícem +134

      @@thephilosopher7173 There are people who purchased the game that literally can't play it now. Is that an overreaction?

  • @stockandslow
    @stockandslow Před měsícem +3

    Not even 24 hours after this was posted and Sony announced they won’t move forward with the update 🎉

  • @TheHostofHeaven
    @TheHostofHeaven Před měsícem

    Love your videos. I like how you put a positive spin on all the topics you care about just by speaking about them and raising awareness! I think your passion is awesome!!

  • @solidskullz5736
    @solidskullz5736 Před měsícem +2061

    Helldivers 2 is one of the best shooters we’ve gotten in a while and all Sony had to do was sit back and enjoy the benefits. But they couldn’t even do that correctly, instead they had to sabotage a live service game that wasn’t predatory and wasn’t terrible. I feel so bad for the devs, they don’t deserve this

    • @KaraTheGirlie
      @KaraTheGirlie Před měsícem +45

      From what I know the devs signed off on it 6-8 months ago. I could be wrong.

    • @ExtantPerson
      @ExtantPerson Před měsícem +136

      @@KaraTheGirliethey did, doesn’t mean they had a lot of choice though

    • @Battered_Fanny
      @Battered_Fanny Před měsícem +7

      Laughs in lost planet 2

    • @Fiduciariesonio
      @Fiduciariesonio Před měsícem +6

      Let's hope it can't get any worse, I mean I won't right, how likely will Sony force them to Make it worse

    • @treali
      @treali Před měsícem +14

      @@ExtantPerson They still knew about it and was watching people buy the game without giving clear warnings. They let people waste their money. They're not innocent.

  • @Einuhreins
    @Einuhreins Před měsícem +2032

    make a good game: Publisher ruins it.
    Make a bad game: Publisher cancels you = layoffs.
    No Publishers: No Drama
    Edit: I now learned that Arrowhead CEO Knew months before, that Sony will force Players to Link PSN Accounts.
    faith destroyed. i just want to go back to 1998.

    • @MaxPaynefan1
      @MaxPaynefan1 Před měsícem +93

      Make a good game, makes profits, layoffs for everyone to please shareholders and put more money in their pockets

    • @alvatoredimarco
      @alvatoredimarco Před měsícem +138

      You really don't need a publisher anymore in the modern age. Publishers are just a dinosaur now; a holdover from the days when games needed physical media and needed to be sent out to physical game stores. Now that we have Steam, you can easily self-publish; you pay a small fee and Steam handles everything associated with getting your game listed. Of course, all this goes out the window if for some reason you want to be on console as well. If the reason Arrowhead went to Sony is for money, they could have just gone directly to the potential playerbase instead and crowdfunded it.

    • @GravitasZero
      @GravitasZero Před měsícem +17

      The solo dev for Songs of Syx is also self published.
      I really love that, especially since it’s an EA game and most EA games published, for example, by hooded horse follow massive over-hype campaign that make their EA games look like fantastic finished products.
      Most publishers suck (and not just in the gaming industry), and those that try to look like they are good are just faking it to gain popularity points, especially with the EA smooth-brained white-knights

    • @viktormilosevic8172
      @viktormilosevic8172 Před měsícem +40

      ​@@alvatoredimarcoThe publisher helps a lot with marketing and legal stuff, making smaller studios have more time to focus on making the actual game

    • @Mungnum
      @Mungnum Před měsícem +19

      Yeah, let me say, as a professional game dev who knows a lot of people in the AAA space… no publisher DEFINITELY doesn’t mean no problems. Unfortunately that’s the world we live in.

  • @TheVeregat
    @TheVeregat Před 29 dny +1

    This really makes me miss the old days of physical copies played offline.

  • @Phage-
    @Phage- Před 27 dny

    It’s almost like if things goes well and they’re setup for success, then they get mad and do whatever they can to sink it.

  • @flamebull5
    @flamebull5 Před měsícem +1330

    I think it also comes down to the principle of it like Louis Rossman said; if game companies can just change their terms of service AFTER releasing the game at any point down the line, then what exactly is the customer agreeing to when they purchase the games? Its also a double standard because customers aren't allowed to violate the terms but the company is allowed to amend them however they want, its ridiculous imagine buying a house and then the bank tells you 'we've changed our mind, we own the house now because we helped you pay for it"

    • @maevegillespie6911
      @maevegillespie6911 Před měsícem +19

      I mean technically the bank can and will take your house as means to fulfilling debt or bankruptcy.

    • @ripandtear
      @ripandtear Před měsícem +16

      Just finished watching Black Sails, I guess it's a sign I should fly the black flag against sony now.

    • @coffeenair
      @coffeenair Před měsícem +7

      It's not really like that though, the game always said it would require psn on the store page. It was just disabled at launch because it caused some server issues or something.

    • @MrDoggo23
      @MrDoggo23 Před měsícem +80

      @@maevegillespie6911 You can't compare a loan and a product fully bought legally.

    • @InvaderTroy
      @InvaderTroy Před měsícem +3

      that’s exactly how foreclosure works though. arrowhead were likely in breach of contract by allowing people on PSN without login

  • @YY-nezy
    @YY-nezy Před měsícem +2660

    We are diving into hell in real life at this point.

  • @midjelly8837
    @midjelly8837 Před 21 dnem

    Cant believe they are backpeddling the backpeddle and youre gonna need one.

  • @oJadeDragon
    @oJadeDragon Před měsícem

    Sony released an update this morning on twitter saying they are no longer requiring the account linking.

  • @Olivar123
    @Olivar123 Před měsícem +792

    The fact Sony was able to fuck up Helldivers II is somehow baffling and unsurprising at the same time

    • @sophieedel6324
      @sophieedel6324 Před měsícem +9

      Steam denying refunds is just as bad. Hopefully some people grow a spine and start calling Steam out on this. You can not just change the terms of service, especially not when it involves privacy sensitive data collection.

    • @psylina
      @psylina Před měsícem

      ​@@sophieedel6324They've been charging back people even with 200+ hrs. You just need to give a calm and clear refund reason to steam and they'll refund

    • @Gabecastaneda2004
      @Gabecastaneda2004 Před měsícem +5

      ​@sophieedel6324 wow I didn't even know this, that's just theft at that point, shady companies always money hungry

    • @harmless9336
      @harmless9336 Před měsícem +46

      ​@@sophieedel6324 I hear its just the automatic bot that rejects. If your ticket gets to a real person it has a good chance of getting refunded.

    • @tjhall1000
      @tjhall1000 Před měsícem +3

      they didnt mess it up at all. they got like $1b to $2b out of it. so they are laughing their way to the bank

  • @techyrelic
    @techyrelic Před měsícem +1192

    “i dont know”.
    that shit is heartbreaking, watching your greatest success die and not knowing or being able to stop it.

    • @reconfox82
      @reconfox82 Před měsícem +11

      Relatable

    • @NaldzHobbySide
      @NaldzHobbySide Před měsícem +3

      😢

    • @Vss077
      @Vss077 Před měsícem +7

      "the greatest success you ruined. digging your own hole deeper & deeper. Not him, you, due to your own mistakes. but that's why do mistakes. We learn from them - at least some of us do."

    • @FamSisher
      @FamSisher Před měsícem +7

      It sucks for sure but It’s far from dying

    • @LoremIpsumDolors
      @LoremIpsumDolors Před měsícem

      Sony moving their headquarters to commiefornia was a mistake

  • @theghostassassin3266
    @theghostassassin3266 Před měsícem

    Its like the chef shitting in your hamburger and blaming the waiter

  • @samuelcameron8215
    @samuelcameron8215 Před měsícem +3

    WE WON SOLDIERS, SONY REVERSED ITS DECISION

  • @Airninja3
    @Airninja3 Před měsícem +1356

    ATTENTION ALL WHO READ THIS
    Approximately 3 hours ago, sony has overturned their decision on helldivers. They're trying some gaslighting and pretending its an "honest mistake" and they're "still learning what PC gamers want". Either way, please support the arrowhead devs who spent 8 years on this god tier game. And we can all collectively agree "Screw Sony".

  • @SalemTechsperts
    @SalemTechsperts Před měsícem +1310

    The Greatest Sony L That's Ever Lived

    • @pleszq
      @pleszq Před měsícem +6

      brazy

    • @Horus_the_Lupercal
      @Horus_the_Lupercal Před měsícem +14

      So far.

    • @savagewraith
      @savagewraith Před měsícem +27

      Nah, that's still the $650 Ps3 launch cycle price, with a network more shallow, easily breached, and slow than any competitor in the market.

    • @randomcitizen801
      @randomcitizen801 Před měsícem +6

      classic sony L moment

    • @toby818
      @toby818 Před měsícem +3

      how is lupe and your wife

  • @gunzandgodz
    @gunzandgodz Před měsícem +1

    If the game survives, I wanna see crossover DLC of the Alien Franchise. With the Queen Alien being the boss and Face huggers being a unique enemy that can kill you instantly, eventually over the span of the match if caught. Acidic blood that corrodes armor, and Royal guards that help let you know you’re nearing the Queens lair.

  • @Werner-sv2le
    @Werner-sv2le Před 29 dny +2

    As a single game developer, one day when my game gets on console, I'm in charge because it's my product and there'll be no account links period. How long can we take this before we snap.

  • @akira8393
    @akira8393 Před měsícem +673

    it's baffling how companies can fuck you over and not get any punishment for it. the fact anyone has the audacity to defend the greedy corporations is mind numbing

    • @ender_king1670
      @ender_king1670 Před měsícem +51

      Makes you wonder how many of them are bots.

    • @tonyASi
      @tonyASi Před měsícem

      @@ender_king1670 not much some people just have a slave mindset paired with a low iq

    • @starboy5653
      @starboy5653 Před měsícem +11

      the punishment is losing their audiencelol

    • @lukaspumo3498
      @lukaspumo3498 Před měsícem +35

      Take em to court! Oh wait they have infinitely more resources than any of their customers will ever have in that department! Oh noo it's almost like it's all by design😂😂😂 megacorps is the future lmao

    • @archiewoodward4115
      @archiewoodward4115 Před měsícem +20

      Every corporation ever. Corporations run society cuz we are all too pussy to do anything about it

  • @flame7346
    @flame7346 Před měsícem +460

    Ladies and gentlemen, sony has announced that they will be backing down on forcing pc player to connect a psn account, we won

  • @grimingage1180
    @grimingage1180 Před měsícem +2

    my rabbits foot worked

  • @michaelcollins1033
    @michaelcollins1033 Před 27 dny

    Another smaller issue that shrunk the player count was people's preferences in a community-powered co-op game, with a metagame about working collectively to fight a war on multiple fronts. Many players chose to keep playing on Terminid planets to the detriment of the Automaton front. Bit of a personal bias on this one but I was really looking forward to feeling like this was a mobile, responsive army redeploying where needed and working together and the rebalances to weapons in fairness made it trickier for some players to adjust to bots when they already needed a change in tactics, but while I find it a little harder I adjusted and enjoy going wherever my orders take me (Except for Hellmire. Fuck "Fire Tornadoes", and the horse they rode in on).
    But while it's clear that most people enjoyed jumping into Malevolon Creek and fighting bots until they were wiped off the map for a day and then came back, overall I think some people didn't appreciate that this is an online live service video game that is meant to run for a number of years and not a linear action game with a storyline that can be finished in ten hours like they used to be, but player counts according to planets show that many players clearly prefer one faction and so success in the metagame is skewed in favour of those who continue playing Terminid missions.
    Bot mains felt jilted that their work was undone and it was only a downhill battle to hold planets from there, people who prefer bugs got bored and sneered at other players as they refused to help with future major orders elsewhere, and bickering on Discord over people playing one or the other exclusively led to massive reduction in players on the bot front and now no new planets can be taken, I watched the concurrent player numbers drop from one weekend to the next immediately following that. Conversation turned so petty and regularly argumentative that I suggested the bot players move to a different part of the Discord to discuss what planets to work together on without all the catcalling on every other message (again, this is a community-driven co-op game), and a moderator (no, not the one you're thinking of) sent a comment addressing argumentative behaviour and preference on how to play, to the chat where the bot players had just moved to, but not to the general chat where "bug players" had been dismissive and beginning to become openly hostile. It was deflating for me and I haven't bothered engaging with the server since.
    This may have been in response to earlier weeks where bot players had expressed disappointment or anger about major orders failing despite bug players answering requests for help on the bot front, but I didn't see any of that myself so without evidence I can't make assumptions about that. Since then I am pleased to say on balance, that we have been able to successfully defend ONE planet, as an uptick of players from a peak of 3k to 33k on on bot planet saw an attack on the forward operating base on Vernen Wells repelled as of last night.
    And then the last and most damning has been the most unfortunate decision (presumably by Sony) to enforce the Sony account requirements that were advertised on the game from the start but Arrowhead likely decided not to enforce, that part's deeply regrettable and I completely understand the irritation that came from across the community about that, as people have genuine info security concerns after all the times they got hacked. Worse still, people are still not able to buy or possibly even play the game in numerous countries because red tape over this mess led to the game being removed from Steam altogether. This needs to be addressed immediately and I hope all the countries affected can play again very soon! :D
    As I said I've been on the Discord, following along with the Baskinator drama, and also having a peek at the far-right's reaction to anything suggesting that this game is a satire made by people they hate, and from what I've seen there's been too many complaints about minor issues that have impacted the game's player count over time. The Sony situation should not have been allowed to happen as it's a bit ludicrous to expect PC players to sign up to a console company but to be brutally honest, there was no way Arrowhead could keep up with all this and keep everyone happy.
    A good hundred or so bugs to fix, servers that had to be expanded, more content needed for experienced players to keep them engaged, the content added or changed not being amazing enough, the game not being apolitical enough, all of this has been dunked on, and rather unfairly for the most part from what I can see. The team had about 100 people as of last year and they are getting used to developing a different kind of game to their previous offerings, and we're only three months in. I stand with the community on the Sony situation, but if it weren't for that, my view of this community for a co-op game would be scathing as they've failed to appreciate how clearly keen Arrowhead has been to deliver a fun, balanced and welcoming experience for everyone regardless of their background and preference of playing. All of the players I've encountered have been great but overall it's clearly a different breed to Deep Rock Galactic's very kind and supportive player base, though in fairness DRG doesn't have a galaxy map to conquer together and Ghost Ship Games had the time to build up their audience and their expectations over 6 years.
    Okay longest comment ever or TL;DR, say what you want but I've enjoyed this game immensely since March and wanted to show that there's been multiple understandable and normal circumstances that could be fixed with time as well as all the drama and people being quick to criticise Arrowhead, please just bear with them and I'm sure they can provide us with a game that all of us (or at least more people than not) would come to love and enjoy for years!

  • @Jakeyythetr
    @Jakeyythetr Před měsícem +1431

    I think Sony did this on purpose. Helldivers was the first game in a long time to break the classic cash cow methods by removing limited time battle passes, allowing purchasable currency to be found in game, no loot boxes or luck based purchases, and fair prices on cosmetics and passes that don’t impact the game that much. Sony did not want Helldivers to be an example that you can still hit big and make money without these greedy methods. They want the old greedy purchases back and they certainly don’t want a game like Helldivers setting a standard.

    • @Clatgineer
      @Clatgineer Před měsícem +62

      you are a wise man

    • @zm1786
      @zm1786 Před měsícem

      bigger conspiracy: the US government forced them to do it, as a way to prevent us from playing with chinese, russian and african players.
      can't have world war 3 if we refuse to kill each other

    • @ericb8689
      @ericb8689 Před měsícem +18

      Literally wrong, it was listed that it would require psn at launch and was only postponed due to server issues. Sony is now merely enforcing it.

    • @splintery9357
      @splintery9357 Před měsícem +169

      ​@@ericb8689 was optional until they changed it right before they announced it

    • @anarchium_wellsquest
      @anarchium_wellsquest Před měsícem +46

      @@ericb8689 enforcing it why

  • @lua8501
    @lua8501 Před měsícem +1231

    all sony had to do is give people cosmetics for linking their account, not make it mandatory, and they would’ve gotten more people to sign up and none of this would’ve happened.
    also i saw someone say this is actually the “let’s cut the goose open to take all the golden eggs” fable and that couldn’t be more accurate

    • @rowback97
      @rowback97 Před měsícem +6

      Thats all fine and dandy for people not blacklisted. Thousands of people who now can't play. That's the biggest issue here; for everyone else, it's just an incovienance.

    • @taintedsrrow2417
      @taintedsrrow2417 Před měsícem +5

      for real, there is the TR-7 Ambassador of the Brand pre order armor set. It's literally a walking ad for a super earth company, I bet ArrowHead could have made something similar as a sign up bonus.

    • @puckoster
      @puckoster Před měsícem +5

      you cant even sign up for PSN account in some countries.
      also, why would i need to create a PSN account for playing a game on PC? i never even owned a PS.

    • @RealEthanWillis
      @RealEthanWillis Před měsícem

      @@puckosterbecause it’s a Sony game. Same way you sign into rockstar account on grand theft auto, ea account on ea games, Microsoft account on their games, Ubisoft account, etc. it’s very common

    • @QDj39
      @QDj39 Před měsícem +4

      And they won’t unshackle bloodborne (I know it’s unrelated but still)

  • @NExaMZa
    @NExaMZa Před měsícem +1

    Perfect example of: 'Too good to be true'.

  • @zentec010
    @zentec010 Před měsícem

    When you are the layer between normal employee and corporate, you realize to them its all about goosing those numbers even if something makes lots of money you got to squeeze more and more to you kill it instead of having a steady stream of revenue. Bonuses are not based on a steady stream of money only gains in areas.

  • @lugenhauser
    @lugenhauser Před měsícem +294

    Imagine those poor developers. Nine years, just down the drain

    • @brian2888
      @brian2888 Před měsícem +22

      Potential thousands of long and loyal customers lost from corporate greed.

    • @TDJunkie226
      @TDJunkie226 Před měsícem +18

      A fucking Shakespearean tragedy

    • @Thewesmen67
      @Thewesmen67 Před měsícem +1

      Helldivers is mid anyway who cares

    • @JefferyEpstiensBlackBook
      @JefferyEpstiensBlackBook Před měsícem +6

      Remember when you could play minecraft without linking a microsoft AND a mojang account? Oh yeah that was fine that they made the change but helldivers?!?! Unforgivable.

    • @arandomgamer9317
      @arandomgamer9317 Před měsícem +20

      @@Thewesmen67back in my day, rage bait was believable

  • @deadshxll
    @deadshxll Před měsícem +711

    As a cybersecurity student, I can confirm that there is 0 security benefit to linking your steam account to your PSN account, in fact if implemented poorly it can be a security flaw.

    • @erikdude666
      @erikdude666 Před měsícem +38

      yea, lets give Sony root level access to our PCs

    • @TheMrDemonized
      @TheMrDemonized Před měsícem +34

      there is no benefit for end-user at all. only "benefits" for companies

    • @NikoMoraKamu
      @NikoMoraKamu Před měsícem +3

      i'm not happy with the sittuation but the reality is that
      steam only share with sony your steam id which is public

    • @SomeKindaSpy
      @SomeKindaSpy Před měsícem

      Sony's databases are regularly hacked with personal info leaked.

    • @DescendingVelocity
      @DescendingVelocity Před měsícem +13

      More than likely a flaw considering Sony’s reputation for security lol

  • @DerpZerke
    @DerpZerke Před měsícem

    The best I could have seen them doing, was giving extra rewards for linking rather than forcing it.

  • @AntagonistVR
    @AntagonistVR Před měsícem

    Something I haven’t seen pointed out that helldivers does, is that the new content just drops, no annoying trailer telling us it’ll release in a month, no they just suddenly drop content

  • @Justyn_Lim_
    @Justyn_Lim_ Před měsícem +1347

    You know what saddens me. The fact that Sony probably won't suffer from this even though they are the ones who are mostly at fault. While the ones who will bear all the suffering and persecution is Arrowhead, who were only partially at fault. In the end, the only people whose lives were truly affected won't be the dipshits in Sony, nor would it be the gamers who lost access to this game. They would just refund and move on. The ones truly affected are the people in Arrowhead, who undeniably poured their heart and soul into their game they have been making for 7 years. Helldivers 2 and AH being a small company were like the underdog of the current gaming industry, standing up to the big dogs, and they were killing it. Everybody wants to see the underdog succeed. But now, because of a forced play from the big dogs, the support that the underdog had turned against them, and the big dogs remains untouched.

    • @trequor
      @trequor Před měsícem +25

      Sony cant kill their talent. Arrowhead can make another game from free Sony on the reputation of Helldivers 2

    • @mortalphoenix7168
      @mortalphoenix7168 Před měsícem +102

      ​@@trequor but doesn't this affect the credibility of the studio. Who will trust them, going forward?

    • @xenosfur
      @xenosfur Před měsícem +134

      They really spent 7 years to make a game for Sony to ruin it in a week.

    • @gavingotback
      @gavingotback Před měsícem +58

      ​@@trequor😂buddy money ain't free there's a reason there's less and less game studios each year and get bought out all the time now

    • @zargus2312
      @zargus2312 Před měsícem +105

      Arrowhead is only guilty of making a video game under Sony. Their fault in this is incidental, not intentional.

  • @Chesslover69420
    @Chesslover69420 Před měsícem +611

    The fact that Sony is taking Helldivers 2 players' freedom to not link PSN is peak meta irony. One day, Sony will learn Gabe's ultimate technique of doing absolutely nothing and win. But not this year.

    • @greenstrawberrygaming
      @greenstrawberrygaming Před měsícem +1

      im pretty sure that rule about the countries is inforced by the countries themselves but that doesnt free Sony from being that stupid

    • @DamienDarkside
      @DamienDarkside Před měsícem +43

      @@greenstrawberrygaming Microsoft online games work in those countries. Nintendo online games work in those countries. Other Steam games of less worth and value operate in those countries. Sony simply did not want to allocate server resources, there are absolutely zero excuses.

    • @kamomohilda7954
      @kamomohilda7954 Před měsícem +2

      You're being too optimistic to Sony pal.

    • @chrheca
      @chrheca Před měsícem

      I mean how fucking brainwashed must you be to post this comment

    • @spyker_aileron
      @spyker_aileron Před měsícem +2

      ​@kamomohilda7954 i thought the same thing. Sony has been blowing toes off their feet since the 80's.
      I brought this story up with my dad and he told me stories of different sony technologies that they kept killing because they were too incompetent.

  • @soldiergaming8899
    @soldiergaming8899 Před měsícem +3

    And its back. They had it for a week then they went back on it seeing the massive outlash.

  • @Xenorion
    @Xenorion Před měsícem +2

    UPDATE : SONY changed it that we dont have to do the Account linking !!! The Community won !!!

  • @XaifaxVT
    @XaifaxVT Před měsícem +642

    I've dealt with:
    2 data breaches (maybe 3, Sony refused to answer if I was part of a 3rd)
    1 case of games being removed arbitrarily
    1 case of movies/tv shows being removed arbitrarily
    I'm not doing round 5 with Sony's bs.

    • @Kingnothing7x
      @Kingnothing7x Před měsícem +8

      Took you this long to tap out?

    • @joshm.8353
      @joshm.8353 Před měsícem +8

      Sony is the only place I've been hacked from. At least as far as places that ever had credit card from me. To their credit they fixed it pretty quickly, but the hackers made a child account on my account that I couldn't detach without calling them back. I just dropped my entire PS account and washed my hands of their stupidity, and I'm not about to go back either.

    • @justamanofculture12
      @justamanofculture12 Před měsícem +3

      You had it rough buddy. Time to kick this shit sony out of your room..........

    • @matguimond92
      @matguimond92 Před měsícem

      you got suckered 5 times I'm willing to bet you're going to go crawling back to Sony lol.

    • @XaifaxVT
      @XaifaxVT Před měsícem

      @@Kingnothing7x These are from years ago, this is less "I'm done with Sony" and more "I dropped them years ago and can attest to the reason to stay away."

  • @tyberiousTem
    @tyberiousTem Před měsícem +546

    The worst part is that if Sony was doing this for money and play count, it’s completely backfiring because now everyone who bought the game in certain countries is refunding it and not playing anymore. Way to go Sony you just lost about 30% of your players.

    • @nicholasholloway8743
      @nicholasholloway8743 Před měsícem +69

      From what I heard, that number is more around the 60% mark.

    • @GundamReviver
      @GundamReviver Před měsícem

      ​@@nicholasholloway8743roughly 2/3'rd of thr globe yes. Including large parts of Asia which is mega ouch mode, numbers wise.

    • @goldenhate6649
      @goldenhate6649 Před měsícem +39

      Well, peak weekend players dropped by right around 50% in a single weekend. Not a good look. And its probably people desperately trying to get some last minute enjoyment. I am waiting to see how hard it tanks when it goes through

    • @engineergaming1669
      @engineergaming1669 Před měsícem +18

      All they want are those sweet PSN numbers to show their shareholders, and they’ll sacrifice the whole game for it

    • @mdb45424
      @mdb45424 Před měsícem +9

      They did it for 2 reason, bloat psn numbers and control. Basically a ceo wanted a bonus so they posion this game

  • @TheCatIsAMonster
    @TheCatIsAMonster Před měsícem

    Big company try not to screw up a fun game challenge: Highly impossible.

  • @saipranavpalla1467
    @saipranavpalla1467 Před 29 dny

    It saddens me when something with great potential dies out before it could even reach it

  • @archdornan7100
    @archdornan7100 Před měsícem +354

    “We dive together, or we don’t dive at all.”

    • @anoncuber1510
      @anoncuber1510 Před měsícem +5

      sony chose the third option, blacklist anyone in a 3rd world country from diving.

    • @diveblock2058
      @diveblock2058 Před měsícem +5

      you can still dive just a bit deeper. deep rock is always looking for some more employees

    • @CrestfallenCloud
      @CrestfallenCloud Před měsícem

      ​@@diveblock2058Rock and stone, Brother.

    • @Robert-xt2ny
      @Robert-xt2ny Před měsícem

      @@diveblock2058that was smooth af lmao

    • @anoncuber1510
      @anoncuber1510 Před měsícem

      @@diveblock2058 well now sony backed out, but also ROCK AND STONE (has 140 hours in DRG >.>)

  • @twospies3835
    @twospies3835 Před měsícem +1037

    I feel so bad for Arrowhead. They had something good, they were really happy about it and had fun with others that loved the game. And now it’s been ruined by corporate greed.

    • @NakoNakoNH
      @NakoNakoNH Před měsícem +45

      I don't. They knew where they were getting into when dealing with Sony. They've done stuff like this again and again.

    • @mikeehrmantraut1899
      @mikeehrmantraut1899 Před měsícem +16

      Tbh, they knew they sign in with the devil

    • @pyerack
      @pyerack Před měsícem +16

      There's a reason art keeps showcasing the devil in businessman clothes.

    • @qwerty10384
      @qwerty10384 Před měsícem +47

      @@NakoNakoNHthey might not have a choice and needed the money to make helldivers 2

    • @michaelsilverdahl2175
      @michaelsilverdahl2175 Před měsícem +65

      ​@@NakoNakoNH Sony owns the ip for helldivers, it was either Sony or no Helldivers at all

  • @Stormworks_maker_of_things
    @Stormworks_maker_of_things Před měsícem +2

    MAJOR ORDER COMPLETED, Divers we’ve done it. The Sony menace has been fought back. No more PSN.

  • @R0YALCAESAR
    @R0YALCAESAR Před 18 dny

    Sad that it doesn’t seem the numbers ever came back

  • @LuvstruckFYB
    @LuvstruckFYB Před měsícem +324

    “You know adding it to Xbox with cross play would boost the game overall and bring back some players if y-“
    Sony:”No.”

    • @thatplayathough8101
      @thatplayathough8101 Před měsícem +2

      this is why ive been vibing with Xbox lately tbh, while not perfect i think theyre making strides in the gaming community for things like connectivity and crossplay. they make their money off the games and so providing to more rather than trivially locking it for their console has been working. Its also just better for us players cause now are games are fuller and i can play with my PC buddies
      rather than hording first party titles xbox releases the newer ones throughout the markets, making windows crossplay and pushing for crossplatform, If i remember correctly Even Minecraft had issues with sony tryna be crossplay between the Bedrock Edition. gamepass is banger (not all games are good but its a good alternative to buying). As of like a couple days ago xbox released a bunch of older first party games to PS including like Sea Of Thieves and several others etc.
      Xbox isnt perfect but they learned to share and expand, Sony and Nintendo too busy being pretentious to grow. Nintendo will SWAT a 14yr old for drawing mario in school art class claiming it infringes their copyright, and playstation hasnt grown with the age of connectivity (and apparently do shit like this).
      Its just sad
      I was looking forward to my PS5 coming, finally get all the games ive been missing on but not it just feels tainted since Helldivers was one of those games I was look forward to trying

    • @aerosdacillo1227
      @aerosdacillo1227 Před měsícem

      I think sony realy forced us to create psn so that they can flex it to xbox that they have an million active players than xbox 😂

    • @forklordbbb8684
      @forklordbbb8684 Před měsícem

      @@thatplayathough8101yeah they aren’t perfect but they are definitely more advanced in certain areas

  • @lildaiki7629
    @lildaiki7629 Před měsícem +543

    Game development is risky these days. you could spend billions, spend 10 years in development, call it a AAAA game and people will not buy your pos game. But then HD2 came along and showed us what game development could be, only for Sony to show us how the world works

    • @envy7455
      @envy7455 Před měsícem +2

      Billions?

    • @euclidYT
      @euclidYT Před měsícem +16

      Sony does this regularly with good games too. They do it intentionally so they can say that shoveling their shit slop is the only thing that works. Microsoft, Ubi, and EA all do it too.

    • @MaskedMazter
      @MaskedMazter Před měsícem +11

      ​@@envy7455 he's talking about skull and bones

  • @cheporestrepo
    @cheporestrepo Před 26 dny +1

    Helldivers 2 is everything all the 343 halos combined would ever want to be and wont ever be

  • @stephennelson4954
    @stephennelson4954 Před měsícem +4

    Gentlemen. Major Order Complete.

  • @Maigus224
    @Maigus224 Před měsícem +898

    Steam should make a rule that says if you want to sell on steam then you can't force people to make an account with an external source in order to play the game.

    • @Tharronis
      @Tharronis Před měsícem +47

      I like the sentiment but it causes issues with some games. If MMOs had to follow this you would be locked in to playing only on steam and not able to play on any other platform or own your account outside of steam. The more multi-platform the game is / the more progress matters, the more it sucks to be locked in to only Steam. But I mean I also agree I hate having to make another account for games..it's an annoying issue.

    • @yesyes-om1po
      @yesyes-om1po Před měsícem +3

      @@Tharronis don't devs still host the servers which store the player's data, I'm sure they could work out multi-platform logins, I think steam also offers an API that allows you to login to certain eligible platforms using your steam account.

    • @bauul.
      @bauul. Před měsícem +16

      ​@@yesyes-om1po Depends on the dev. Sea of Thieves requires a Microsoft account, for example, because all the player data and world data are hosted on Microsoft Azure servers. That's how they have full crossplay and cross-progression across all platforms. But Helldiver 2 obviously doesn't *need* a PSN account and worked perfectly well without one, so in this case it's entirely unnecessary.

    • @meskonyolsen6657
      @meskonyolsen6657 Před měsícem +7

      *Potentional GOTY 2024 Got Stripped by SONY!* 😂😂

    • @shapedsilver3689
      @shapedsilver3689 Před měsícem +4

      At the very least not AFTER they already paid good money for it

  • @Reflection554
    @Reflection554 Před měsícem +332

    UPDATE: Helldivers 2 no longer requires the creation of PSN Accounts. We did it bois

    • @null4280
      @null4280 Před měsícem +13

      Arrowhead truly is one of the only remaining companies that listen to community feedback

    • @jaxsonruiz-davis4950
      @jaxsonruiz-davis4950 Před měsícem +8

      major order completed 👍

    • @CamronSixx22
      @CamronSixx22 Před měsícem +12

      @@null4280 Well more like Sony listened.

    • @holdenhodgdon3756
      @holdenhodgdon3756 Před měsícem

      ​@@CamronSixx22Sony caved because they couldn't figure out a way to call players incels and accuse them of toxic masculinity.

    • @sweetpurple8812
      @sweetpurple8812 Před měsícem +6

      @@CamronSixx22probably arrowhead yellig wt the publisher long enough

  • @firelordpoptarte
    @firelordpoptarte Před měsícem +1

    The E3 statement had me cackling 😂

  • @youngoden4106
    @youngoden4106 Před měsícem +2

    WE NEED A UPDATE CHARLEY. WE FUCKIN WON

  • @TheLeafyo
    @TheLeafyo Před měsícem +582

    "Grace period" where players get to play beyond the refund period and are either stuck with a brick or forced to make PSN-account.
    That's just a straight up scam.

    • @grabannon
      @grabannon Před měsícem +3

      My understanding is that this was very poorly communicated. Always the intention to link to account, is supposed to be for Sony to be able to ban accounts etc. The grace period was in place because to many players and couldn't cope with it so dropped this until they got sorted. True or not we will never know.

    • @Hen1.0
      @Hen1.0 Před měsícem +5

      Is it not free to make a PSN account.

    • @galvanizeddreamer2051
      @galvanizeddreamer2051 Před měsícem +22

      Steam is actually fulfilling refunds, if you want to throw one in.

    • @andersalstrup3077
      @andersalstrup3077 Před měsícem +37

      ​@@Hen1.0many regions cannot make a psn account due to psn being unavailable there

    • @ad16
      @ad16 Před měsícem

      @@Hen1.0what the fuck did you not watch the video

  • @Mausso
    @Mausso Před měsícem +623

    Arrowhead CEO said that they aren't in charge of sales which leads me to believe that Sony allowed the game to be listed in countries where PSN is unavailable to boost their Q1 earnings for share holders. They knew that they would have to refund those, but the amount of money refunded would probably be less than the amount gained from their stock price.

    • @wolfgangmatrix
      @wolfgangmatrix Před měsícem +3

      Psn is only unavailable in Russia and North Korea. Everyone is fine. Just make an account in another region, they don’t care.

    • @williamcampbell9859
      @williamcampbell9859 Před měsícem +20

      Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity.

    • @Mausso
      @Mausso Před měsícem

      @@wolfgangmatrix You're missing about 175 other countries and territories and using a VPN to circumvent region restrictions is against TOS which WILL get you banned.

    • @Monorion9356
      @Monorion9356 Před měsícem +63

      ​@@wolfgangmatrix"they don't care" until they do

    • @fondbeebboop9705
      @fondbeebboop9705 Před měsícem +42

      ⁠@@wolfgangmatrixno effectively all of Africa can’t get psn and I’ve heard that some countries people would use Russia to have a account even though they could use their country for various reasons the used Russia. As Charlie literally says 177 regions are blocked that’s a huge amount

  • @Thelitletrainthtcud
    @Thelitletrainthtcud Před měsícem

    Check news, I been hearing they are no longer going forward with the forced account linking,but not sure how reliable the tweets are

  • @xsarcasmicx_yt
    @xsarcasmicx_yt Před měsícem +1

    Helldivers 2 dropped their account linking situation. However, after players tanked Helldivers 2 on reviews it caused a massive issue. Especially with people requesting refunds and such.