We Aren't Even a Type One Civilization | David Kipping
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- This is a clip from tomorrow's podcast release with David Kipping. In it, he and Dr. Peterson discuss the different types of civilizations on the cosmic scale, and what signs we should look for when confirming their existence elsewhere.
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Wow, Prof. Jordan Peterson with Prof. David Kipping. Did not expect to see that on my 2024 Bingo card.
yep, JP making moves - it's so good
Have you ever speculated a guest of Jordan's? Just curious. ! Thanks
Me too i never expect nor imagine to happen.
No kidding. I'm a big fan of Dr. Kipping and have been subscribed to his channel for a while now. Great to see JP sit down and talk to him.
Pure science fiction Mary Poppins rubbish.
Oh boy I wasn't expecting these 2 together. More guests like this please.
Just go watch a Marvel Movie if you’re looking for an attractive man talking absolute gibberish about space in a sexy voice.
Rite ?! His specialty of planets is quite amazing as well.
@@VictorNolochemical He’s literally talking about entire galaxies enveloped in Dyson spheres. Do you understand how many galaxies you would need to mine to gather the amount of material needed to surround just one entire galaxy with a Dyson sphere or Dyson sphere adjacent technology? That is the only way the physics we understand could produce the results that he’s blathering on about. And if a technology is being used that doesn’t conform to our understanding of physics, then our measuring devices based on our understanding of physics would be useless to detect their technology. This type of nonsense only sounds intellectual to those who are weak minded when the speaker is as attractive and confident in the unearned way that this speaker presents himself. He’s a classic snake oil salesman who is using your ignorance to make his money.
@@geolitz2665 Just watched the rest. No, seeking truth or answers is not futile nor nefarious. Penicillin was discovered by chance as a clear example. We need to dare to ask challenging questions of ourselves.
@geolitz2665 🤦🏻♂️ geez man.. I’m actually embarrassed for you lol. You clearly don’t know anything about David.
Goodness, I first learned about the Dyson sphere from an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, back when I was a kid! (Kudos to anyone who remembers the episode). That was back in the days when writers actually knew how to write moving and beautiful human interest science fiction instead of the postmodern tosh we get today. How lucky I am to grow up steeped in that good writing and I believe that those influences shape my work today. May I do credit to them.
Very much looking forward to the conversation .
With love from Ruth Anne
“Show me the Enterprise. No bloody A, B, C *or* D” ;) I loved that episode (Relics)! Made for a good audiobook too.
@@baahcusegamer4530 I LOVE the audiobook! There was only one true Scotty.
Star Trek TNG is best Star Trek
IIRC they found the Dyson sphere because Scotty from TOS crashed into it or was stuck in orbit around it, loaded himself into the transporter buffer, and was there for like 150 years?
Intellectually stimulating to watch this but it always shows how much we humans have been jumping the gun in the last 120 years. In a blip of time, we have developed all this technology that is based in the manipulation of fossil fuel energy, but we insist on all these fantastical concepts. Black Holes, Dyson Sphere's and Type's of civilizations based on how much energy we can harness?!. Maybe I should be a science fiction writer.
The physicist issac arthor would be another great interview on these subjects.
Isaac has a BS in Physics, not saying he isn’t very intelligent and he probably learned more since college than most people with PhDs, but the term physicist usually isn’t used for someone with a BS.
Yeah love Issac.
Thank you, Dr. Peterson, for having such highly interesting guests. God bless you.
Thank you for the interview with Tommy. Mrs Peterson seem very much like a wonderful lady. 😊
Congrats on reaching 8M subs, Jordan!
Bro is famous
Pleasantly surprised to see David on here! No doubt he will be attacked for it. I really enjoy Cool Worlds channel!
From supporting a BLM event 4 years ago to being interviewed by JBP now... I hope there is some portion of the interview that talks about his redpilling.
He seemed so genuinely happy to be asked about his work and his passion in it 😊
I love the idea of the topic in this video! Interested in hearing the rest of the conversation!
Oh, fun. I also enjoy David's channel, Cool Worlds.
Which channel? Where? Can't find it. Thank you!
@@monok3727 the name is Cool Worlds
@@mrstring4592 Ah, I see it now in the original post... :-D Thanks.
Cool Worlds, Astrum and John Michael Godier are all fantastic 👍
I'm so glad Cool Worlds is on here! A really interesting channel I've followed for years! (less a fan of his podcast but love the channel itself.)
It’s so good to see two of my heros discussing!!!!
Geez Dr Peterson, your video/image quality is outstanding.
Thank you so much!
David Kipping is amazing. Can't wait for the whole podcast!
If there is no galactic empire, then we make one, FOR THE EMPEROR!
The Imperium of Man is imminent.
Here I stumbled upon a man of culture. The Emperor Protects, brother.
I love how Dr Peterson is interviewing people that are seen as 'undesirable' in the mainstream! Such as Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage etc. The interviews are really eye-opening and insightful!
The concept of the Dyson Sphere or even a Ringworld structure has always intrigued me!
I know, like what is taking these governments so long to collaborate on some ideas?
To busy stealing peoples money and sending them to war! So stupid! I think Elon is building a Dyson Sphere with Star Link. He is the General of Space Force.
Ok was not expecting to find Dr. Kipping here, but hey, might give anew perspective on his work.
I just heard about your loss Jordan, and im sorry to hear. I know that i am blessed to have both of my parents, and i know that the day will come when i no longer have them. I wish you the best.
TYSM David Kipping and Dr.Peterson.
Always love watching cool worlds David explains his topics magnificently 👍
Thankful
When talking about aliens, everyone is always interested in technology, but to me, the society aspect is far more interesting to me. I personally don't imagine a civilization becoming space faring like we imagine without everyone getting along. Now, how did they get to the point of "getting along"? Did they come to a logical none emotional agreement on issues, did one side basically kill off the opposing side, did they just leave them behind, did they have even the similar issues we have or do they still deal with the same things while becoming a type1,2,3 civilization?
Also what type of music would aliens have? Would they have the chromatic scale structure, C,D,E,F,G,A and B and the sharps and flats between, or would they have new, different types of tones we are not aware of? What is the structures of their songs and compositions? And what are there rhythms?
thank you
this podcast is special man
This is incredible discussion... Thank you...
I so badly want to have a conversation with Dr. Jordan Peterson. I'm a nobody really, but one can dream.
You’re you, thats all that matters 😊
You gotta have a dream
The mass majority of us are at the same 'nobody' boat with you my friend,so that kind of makes us 'everybody' if you think about it
If you really want to talk to Dr. Peterson, you’ve got to do something. It doesn’t matter who you are. It matters what you do. Do something extraordinary. Write a book. Build a business. Make something. DO something. Stand up for something you feel strongly about and suffer the slings and arrows of outraged fortune. If you want to talk to Dr. Peterson, you have to be the kind of person he would want to talk to, and you won’t be that sitting around dwelling on what a nobody you are and dreaming. That’s the exact opposite of his message and I’d think that anyone so moved by Dr. Peterson’s message that he really wanted to talk to him would have figured that out.
Millions of people “really want to talk to Dr. Peterson” but if you’re serious about it, you’re going to have to make it happen instead of wistfully sitting in the comment section hoping Dr. Peterson reads your comment and is just so moved by your earnestness that he reaches out to you.
If you want to get the attention of a very busy public figure, you have to earn that.
You have all ready started the process by having the vision… so good for you. If you are willing to share what would be the topic you two would talk about? 💕🇨🇦
Thanks for discussing this topic.
This is one of the intelligent and good to know... Thank you to both of you...
what an awesome shirt Kipping is wearing.
Keep up the great content, Dr. Peterson :)
made me laugh 😂
In a empathic and relatable way.
Two brilliant men/minds in the same room..
I can watch and listen to these guys chat all day
Fantastic interview ❤
Great interview 👍
Where is the whole podcast with this guy, hasn't been released?
Blurb says the whole podcast'll be released tomorrow (July 11)
Well said ❤
Where is the rest of this? I love Prof David Kipping
I've been wanting to see Dr. Kipping more, someone suggested it to Joe Rogan to have him on and Joe said he would love to. We need to see this content more, especially on JRE
Super Interesting interview!
It seems likely that if you are of the technology capacity to create a Dyson sphere, there are likely better power sources.
Go on…
@@all0utmetal735It's just solar energy - if you're capable of developing a megastructure of that scale, you've probably moved far enough along technologically to manufacture your own miniature stars, or unlocked Zero Point Energy.
How did this show up on my feed? How incredibly interesting. I must indulge.
I must argue that there is NO such thing as “wasted heat” coming from a laptop. There is always a cat nearby enjoying the “wasted heat” 😂 🐈
Did he say "susistics"? 😄
That actually works.
He's using statistics to suss it all out - therefore - he's doing sussistics (a classical field of research from ancient Rome or Greece or whatever)
Most statistics are sustistics, especially if government is involved!
probably more accurate
What a crossover!!! 🤯🤯😍🙌🏽
3:50 is a keynote.
That we move to a virtual world.
And become a stranger to ourselves.
But never with your sidekick, Mimi?
😂😂
type 1 ... able to use all the energy arriving and on /in their planat. like ...waves, volcanos, wind, sunlight ... even earthquakes.
What type is a few harnessing the energy of the masses? No wonder no one visits us
That is one Brilliant Human!!!!!
Or perhaps the opposite, living in a universe of his own making.
@George_in_Howden Huh? Just speaking out of context again? lol.
Kipping and Peterson. Wow. Seriously i need to go back to school. Because i predict subject matter experts on the philosophy of science. Are going to be in huge demand in the next couple of years.
There’s was a research paper examining the possibilities of Dyson sphere like objects. Very interesting stuff.
Dang you got 8 mil subs now lol. Didn't even notice. Your planted a seed to change my life, now Im getting catechized in the Orthodox Christian Church, thanks! Will check out this full episode on DW
Ohhhhh I love "Cool Worlds"
Cool Worlds has so much intellectual goodness to offer. This is the sort of crossover of channels I have been waiting for!
The only other podcast I was more excited about was Terrence Howard returning to the JRE with Eric Weinstein lol
This excited about*
Like to see Dr Peterson interview Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel.
Off topic but that would be a Very Exciting dialogue especially with the Gospel series on its way.
Very excited about that.
I gave a speech on this topic like when was in high school. Nobody understood and called me a nerd
Love you studio condo Jordon ❤😊
The ending music is so good.
Song nem?
Interview Isaac Arthur of Science and Futurism with Isaac Arthur next.
I really believe that intelligent life in the universe is extremely rare. I do believe they are out there, though, and it would be so exciting to discover them.
David Kipping! Awesome 😊
When I saw that image I in the Thumbnail I thought this was going to be a conversation about the form of Angles and how they actually looked
I've been fascinated w/ the Kardashev scale ever since kurzgesagt mentioned them. It's fascinating where humans will be in technology & space hundreds of million years from now. Too bad, I'll never see it. So, I can only imagine.
Why dont they just say they have no idea.
we are savages! have you heard about Western family courts? I was sadistically abused, not allowed warm clothing and enough sleep when pregnant, called names, told that now that we were married there would be no sex as,(it later turned out, mistresses are for that, (human trafficking!). My husband hid mistresses even during the wedding day in a church and then ordered me to turn a blind eye or he'd take my baby off me with bribe "as everyone is on sale" despite me being like a single mum and him having no interest in family life and often disappearing with lovers for days on end,mobile off. When I finally fled, the court gave him full child custody of the baby as "the mother is negative towards the father" for trying to tell them about the abuse,but was aggressively shouted at to stop. One criminal court senior judge who was not even working in family law or ever in our town, turned up for the preliminary hearing, to stage the case at the start. He screamed at me, agressively interrogated me himself, tried to force me to admit something I knew was not true as it was evident he had planned on staging the case based on that "admission" and when I refused to "admit" despite his aggressiveness, he simply fabricated in the judgement I had admitted it,calling it "my finding for the main judge", which was terrifying. Someone to do something that criminal and evil to a baby and an abused mother must have done it many times and was part of some racket,many believe! The CAFCASS officer fabricated the whole report, I believe for £5000 bribe,I know why I am saying this. I obtained evidence from the police, SS etc for her fabrication, and even found,accidentally, another abused mum in the same situation,young children taken away from her while the same officer had fabricated the report. We took the evidence to the CAFCASS manager who told us she could not be prosecuted as she'd just retired.
Then the abuser dumped the now depressed and gaunt baby on strangers hundreds of milies away,worked abroad and my son grew up like an orphan. The abuse of that child haunts me daily and I often cry, 20 years on.I was also ordered to forgo my divorce settlement or may never see my depressed baby again,and thrown out on the street childless and penniless while, i believe, the lot shared my money in the corruption.
Then I learnt I was one of tens of thousands of victims,all gagged,including the media in charge of whom are often the family and mates of the top judges. And those are globally-orchestrated crimes in all Western countries where the judges, independent and supervised by no one, collude with each other to set trends for the people yet hide the truth for them to abuse as many as possible,and milk some for cash,many believe. All the whistleblowers are immediately sacked. CAFCASS officers regularly fabricate reports,some are thought to do it for bribe and also jealousy towards the mothers, bitches,to destroy their lives. Some,like mine,are so evil, that they abuse the young children, destroy them just to destroy the mother and follow us around the court and laugh in our faces knowing they will never be brought to justice as the very top judges ignore the criminalities. When I tried to expose the criminality on an industrial scale in my case, President of The High Court personally saw me to intimidate me or I would regret it,despite admitting that the case was horrific. All journalists ,including the one who wrote this article,,MPs, most academics, British human rights lawyers, policymakers, top global feminists ,First ladies who preach women's right to poor countries, like some lying rock stars, etc have known about these atrocities,orchetsrated in all Western countries with colluding unaccountable judges under strict secrecy, some for decades. Estimated 10m victims across the West in the last 50 years! Child sale,corruption,sadism, shocking abuse of basic human rights, child abuse, thousands dead by suicide- their families gagged, the public having children not allowed to know about it so that as many fall into the trap as possible. We are talking about divorcing a sociopath, a crook,serious sadistic abuser who hates family life, who offers bribe and abuses his family to extremes,not ordinary men who have decency. Unfortunately, sociopaths,psychopaths,the scum of humanity always claw their wat to the top everywhere and destroy lives. Metaphysically, they are apparently, led by the Satan and will regret it all when they cross over as there are no secret and our every move and thought are recorded and there will be a price to pay,even for minor things,let alone something as serious as this. Things we do when no one is watching are the most dangerous for us in eternity as God is watching at all times and every single emotion we caused in others we will relive ourselves,but apparently,millions of times magnified. It sends shivers down my spine what the abusers of my baby and I, some of whom are with bombastic titles now, for their criminalities) are going to go through when they pass. You cannot think of a more tragic and wasted life than one of theirs!
Awesome 😎
Firstly, just how much matter would be required to build a harvesting network for solar system, not to say a galaxy; secondly what for would you need so much energy; thirdly, we are not all-knowing, more advanced civilizations might have discovered alternative methods of harvesting/generating energy which wouldn't require such an excess. The very fact that Jordan listens to this with a straight face is quite telling. I am under impression that it's an attempt to build an image of a modern era "philosopher", without being at forefront of the science, like the ancient ones were.
Jordan, get Enoch Burke on your podcast.
the question should not be "is there life on other planets" the question should be "is there other living planets" apparently certain animals can communicate over thousands of miles using low frequency and this planet is littered with species that go on their merry way then seem to me up during the mating season which most do not think about. we call this planet a living planet but don't go deeper into the statement. Why is it a living planet? most would conclude its living because there are trillions of lifeforms coexisting. My point is is all of these creatures are living and have some form of consciousness then why can't a planet? and the relevance to this thought is if we concentrate our efforts and explore that theory and maybe just get lucky and discover the planet has a consciousness we could be able to determine if the planet is sending out to the vastness of space to other living planets.
Because the planet is made of rock...
to say that is to say a human is made of bone. think bigger.
In the Sci Fi series, Andromeda, the stars were living and had their own Avatars!
glad i wasnt Socrates apprentice.
Sir Fred's Hoyle's alien speech says it all.
You should watch the movie Virtual Revolution 2047 if you want to see a "netiverse" potential future... It's not an entirely unlikely prediction of a movie, it could turn out to be as much of a documentary as Idiocracy.
That's a wild combover
The internet, online sites, and applications have created connectivity not unlike that of a conscious global neural network, allowing humankind to harness the intellect of the entire planet. It could also be argued that this is an essential piece of the Type 1 Civilization puzzle.
While this man appears to be 'doing good' his efforts would be much better served in things that have a more direct, daily effect on civilization. All of this existential talk only looks at 'what may be' in the future without really addressing the current conditions in a way that has fewer trade-offs than the crazy stuff being proposed for the world. Yes... tradeoffs! As Thomas Sowell has said, there are no solutions, only tradeoffs! The sooner we realize this fact, the more will be willing to actually see the unintended consequences of policies! Sorry for the rant, JBP!!
you need both. tomorrow is short sighted when it comes to long term development
Without thoughts and minds like his, we’d still be using rock tools. People are already and feverishly working on direct and daily effects in benefit to civilization.
@@zeals936 Without minds like Sowell, we are all just fooling ourselves... jockeying for position and money!
You couldn’t have even written your post without the work of theoretical physicists. Silly man.
@@SpeedfreakUK Yeah, writing on clay tablets, the Phoneticians and Samaritans really had their theoretical physic labs up to snuff...
Astrophysics is a hell of an interesting topic
Extrapolating what humanity might be able to accomplish if given hundreds of millions of years is beyond most people's comprehension to begin with. For some reason a lot of people innately assume we as a species will simply self-destruct and as such don't even bother to entertain any idea of human progression, and push for regression back into the caves.
Human civilization has already built grand things over the course of generations, and that continues to happen; and this is I should remind people in spite of people who will and have burned many things to the ground. Plenty of ruins of great cities and structures across the planet as evidence of those events. Yet in spite of that, civilization pushes ever forward. The doomsayers have been loud, but those who push for the future have always been louder.
I think it's important to understand that if scientists do find undeniable evidence of extraterrestrial life, especially intelligent life, that knowledge will not be released to the public. It would, quite literally, flip society upside down.
But we may be the only beings capable of even conceptualizing of one.
What skin care routine is Peterson practicing. I mean I've watched him transform over the years and I'm curious
Jordan, there is something new in corporate America that denigrates " individual heroics". I would like to see someone interview someone in corporate America to describe how this is a good thing. To me it's quite Marxist and makes those of us who go above and beyond feel guilty about our success. When I'm talking about is in basic corporate structure anymore.
Dr. Peterson is Type One, the rest of we chimps, not so much. I am not an animal! lol. Amazing stuff in astrophysics and astronomy these days. I almost went to U of HI for astronomy a few years back. Couldn't afford it. Ended up in journalism lol. Techno-signatures research is especially fascinating.
Wow, Kipping is far left and proud of it. Surprising he'd even talk to Peterson.
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I recommend you actually do some research and understand that drinking distilled water will make you very ill.
Wtf are you peddling? It has nothing to do with the topic.
@@danf1862 I am talking about what affects people’s health and mental health which has everything to do with the type of civilisation that is seen.
@@danf1862 He's telling people to drink distilled water and make people sick.
So as an amateur Astronomer I have the equipment to backup existing exo-planet research data. The problem is I don't have the time. People would be amazed at what you can achieve with an EQ Goto mount and a decent Telescope and Astro camera. I honestly recommend getting into the hobby to supply masses of data to these kind of studies.
Take it and go for it people!
Always wanted to do this. Telescopes are pretty expensive though.
We're considered type 0.7 ish civilization at this point in time, FWIW
Says who? We don't even cover the land, much less the oceans
@@monkyyy0
Says Mr. "billions and billions " himself, the late Carl Sagan. He said this back in the 80s or so.
He estimated that, according to revised scale, 1970s humanity would be Type 0.7 (about 10 terawatts), equivalent to 0.16% of the power available on Earth. This level is characterized, according to him, by the ability to self-destruct, which he calls "technological adolescence".
So, by 2024, we're probably at 0.75
@@willywonka4340 fuck him then he cant do math and made up his own scale to make it about hating nukes
to make .7^x=.0016; you need x=18 when acceptable log scales are like 10 or e and I find it dubious to believe we are using .0016% of the sunlight
Was just researching this earlier. Crazy how the universe works 😂😂😂💯💯💯
serendipity
❤
❤@@homebrandrules
Is this the new Terrance Howard?
no, this guy is educated.
Combat with a Dragon
In the account of the Legenda Aurea, St. George is said to have passed by a city called Silene, which is in the province of Libya. Beside this city was a pond, and in this pond lived a “dragon which envenomed all the country”. The people of the city decided to feed the beast with two sheep each day so that it would not harm them. When the dragon’s appetite was not satiated, the people of the city began sacrificing human beings to it,
“Then was an ordinance made in the town that there should be taken the children and young people of them of the town by lot, and every each one as it fell, were he gentle or poor, should be delivered when the lot fell on him or her.”
St. George brought the dragon to Silene, converted the king and his people to the Christian faith, and then slayed the dragon.
It has been said that St. George’s military prowess made him popular amongst the knights of Medieval Europe, especially following the crusades. During the First Crusade, for example, an apparition of St. George is said to have aided the crusaders during their successful siege of Antioch in 1098
Of course the ultimate dragon is Satan, and he will be dealt with by Christ .
I miss the old free JP interviews on YT
Alternarively we have to remember that everything we see in space has thousands of years of delay on it, and we could be an early civilization.
Meta verse is becoming my favorite Fermi solution
Type 1 also includes all planet based energy being harnessed such as geo-thermal, wind, hydro, ect ect. But obviously solar radiation makes up the super majority of the total possible planetary energy so yeah its easier to just include that
Okay so, Assuming the type 2 and type 3 civilizations are capable of harnessing stars and galaxies respectively.
Why not infer that they would have solved the dark matter question, AND, question whether or not the process by which they harness these stars and galaxies might actually produce dark matter as a waste product and/or obscures regular matter to a point it appears dark to us?
Are the lensing phenomena "dark matter clusters"?
And if so, are these clusters the "cloaked/hidden/veiled" or perhaps "faze shifted" signatures of technological advancement?
How would that begin to be measured?
Civilisation is dependent upon our actions not energy our treatment of other
Energy usage is a scale of technological advancement not how civilised we are
Thoughts are grand yet the study is premature. It's like tapping on a melon. Oh simple ones, I love and embrace your trials.
Jordan Peterson is embodying the energy of the all grown up lion king, Simba.
Always thought that scale was bogus. It’s like you go from being a gardener to making your own solar system from scratch in just 2 steps. Also if type 3 is using a whole galaxy then they’d have had to conquer every other civilisation in that galaxy because I don’t imagine the type 1’s and 2’s would be happy to have their home turned into batteries.
umm…maybe you should challenge your own thinking…Why does a type 3 have to conquer? Do you play to many video games? If you can harness a whole galaxy it means you can utilize the types of energy there.
Big like
Would love to see FKJ on here to talk about sound and music with Dr. Peterson
It’s amazing how science fiction influences actual science.