By Design: Behe, Lennox, and Meyer on the Evidence for a Creator
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- Recorded on October 15, 2022, in Fiesole, Italy.
Michael Behe, John Lennox, and Steven Meyer are three of the leading voices in science and academia on the case for an intelligent designer of the universe and everything in it (including us). In this wide-ranging conversation, they point out the flaws in Darwin’s theory and the increasing amount of evidence uncovered by a rigorous application of the scientific method that points to an intentional design and creation of the physical world.
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I didn't go to university. These Hoover conversations are a part of the education I never got. Absolutely fascinating. Many thanks to Peter Robinson for keeping it accessible to viewers like me.
I am a teacher. But, now I want to be a student...i can listen all day, i need people to discuss this with. Excellent, engaging. I am so hungry to be around this intelligence.
I'm a physician and I have to say that this is one of the truly most marvellous discussions I have been privy to about science, the limits of science, and the questioning spirit of humankind. Kudos to all the participants and an especial note of gratitude to Professor Lennox's concluding remarks.
Please never stop doing interviews like these, this is by far one of the best and most intellectually stirring channels here on CZcams.
I read Meyer before watching this, and he is brilliant. But I’d never read Lennox before, and he is blowing my mind. He understands the whole conversation at all of the extra and meta levels, and he is SO well read in SO many fields!
I'm astounded and grateful that this level of scientific discussion and inquiry is available for FREE to the world. Thank you!
I need a conversation between John Lennox and Jordan Peterson so badly.
Love these discussions. And Peter Robinson is a great interviewer. Discussing topics that our poor education system refuses to cover.
Absolutely correct. We need more of the Robinsons, Petersons, and other intellectuals of this caliber to speak out on how to think. The main thing universities should but refuse to teach. Thank you gentlemen. With absolute gratitude.
My favorite summation of Peter's skills is at 31:47
“Who’s dead? God or Charles Darwin?” 😂 Great opening!
We are “fearfully and wonderfully made“, this is quite clear from this conversation
I could listen to these guys for days, weeks, and not get enough.
I'm a Health Care Professional and throughout all my education we would discuss this subject. "THIS DISCUSSION" IS the most FASCINATING I'VE EVER LISTENED TO! THANKS SO VERY MUCH 🥰! I'm sending THIS out to ALL my friends! Especially the atheists!
When I took anatomy and physiology I was amazed at how all the cells in the immune system know what to do, how all the cells in the human body know what to do to keep the body as a whole functioning. It’s intricate and in a way beautiful.
I am not highly educated and stumbled across this. Wow. I have been totally blown away by what these people had to say. I was certain that the theory of evolution was untouchable, and that the concept of intelligent design was all about religious people clinging to their beliefs. After listening to this it seems to me that science may be moving to support the concept of some kind of intelligent design.
Good to see Meyer back as thought he didn't get enough chance to speak on the last episode. Love the smiles. Mind-blowingly beautiful content.
Been a Meyers fan for years. So smart yet kind and humble.
The boldness of these brilliant scientists to come together and assess the prevailing theories surrounding evolution, and then all come up with a rational foundation for the theory for the existence of a “coder mechanism” (aka God)… absolutely nothing short of beautiful.
Peter, this is the most sophisticated and beautiful show in the modern age. The search for truth is the most compelling story one can tell.
Peter has conducted the entire presentation with highest skill
Thank you! I remember my older Brother telling me of his intellectual conflict with his Biology Teacher at St. Peters College in Australia.
In a nutshell he disagreed, or questioned, with what his Biology Teacher was positing, which was that genetic mutation in a species to make it more efficient or give it more survivability is random and by chance. My Brother asked "What is it that decides this is the best mutation or that mutation should even occur?" His teacher said it is just chance. My Brother said "surely there must be some intelligence that decided to mutate the DNA and how best to mutate?" He was kicked out of his class.
I remember a good example of intelligent mutation of moths in England. These moths inhabited and survived in a small area in England that used to be an industrial coal mining area. The original moths survived being white of colour as the bark on the trees were white, when the area became industrialised the bark turned black. Meaning the moths could no longer attach to a tree trunk and be hidden from predators. They were picked off very easily by birds, white moth on dark bark stood out. What happened is fascinating, the following generations of moths became dark in colour to be able to blend in to the now dark bark, not just a darker colour but perfectly the same colour of the bark. The white moths died out and the whole species, maybe some exceptions, became perfectly resonant with their environment to ensure its survival as a species.
Now, these materialist scientists say it is random and chance. I posit absolutely not. Somehow there was a specific choice beyond the moths mental apparatus to mutate and mutate specifically. They didn't mutate to green, pink or blue. They don't even see colour like we can, same as octopus being able to change colour, it's the frequency and vibration that they sense, all is that anyway, but curious that these moths mutated perfectly without any trial and error.
What I think we will notice more and more in so called Science, is like you gentlemen mentioned we must expand our scope which can help to narrow down our understanding. I posit that this evolutionary jump in science will be the 'consideration' that Consciousness (what ever that is) will be found to be the basis and foundation of creation. In everything and connected to EVERYTHING.
There is an old saying from Ancient Hermetics, "The Universe is Mental". You can find a book written anonymously in 1908 I think, "The Kybalion" the Authors were "Written by Three Initiates". They state that the Universe is Mental, or Mind, which to me means Consciousness.
There is also an interesting statement that sometimes I say incorrectly but it stayed with me and elucidates that there is no such thing as "Separation" in the Universe, everything is intrinsically connected and that there is some kind of higher Being. I'll attempt it, ok so...
"All is in 'THE ALL',....and 'THE ALL' is in All."
I love that, took me a while to absorb, can't be done only intellectually, it must be understood experientially as well, mind-body-consciousness (or soul) Holy Trinity...........Light-Sound-Geometry, all express frequency and wavelength. And all the same thing, just expressed uniquely. That is the new language. All understood through Math but it isn't just that. Math is the lens to see through to listen to what the Universe is telling us. There is something beyond all of this, and whatever it is, is Unknowable. But it can be experienced. Words aren't needed and quite useless lol.
Thank you for this experience hearing all four of you, Love it!
Right now politics cares about making science say what they want it to say so there is not much science avalible to us right now, because politics is not allowing it to be known. Thanks for this great discussion.
These gentlemen are certainly heroes of our modern age... individuals that know how to think! Awesome!
I listened to this podcast on the way back from bringing my daughter back from University. I went past my very familiar exit, driving until I looked up and saw I had driven 40 minutes past my turn. I am indeed a Christian though I don't *need* intelligent design to justify my faith, I'm interested in ID for just the reasons these gentlemen articulate very well. It seems that proponents of natural selection with no consideration for intelligent input have much greater faith than I do. I understand the reasoning for keeping things within the scientifically observable but there are many aspects to nature and life are woefully, inadequately explained by Darwinism. The apparent abject refusal to consider intelligence even when it seems favored by the evidence is puzzling to me. Of course not a biologist my attention is on the things in life that seem very intentional and don't really ring of purely random influence, such as generally perfect symmetry of almost all living things, the absence of random spare parts, the fact that ALL species that I can recollect seem to be very much in a state of not just completion but elegance and purpose. I would really like to see a respectful, dignified debate with these gentlemen and some Darwinian scientists.
PS one outcome from this was an appreciation for Darwin's honesty and self imposed vulnerability regarding his theories.
I just adore John Lennox. I could sit and listen to him talk for hours and hours.
Was watching Harvard lectures but got tired of most of them being agostic or atheist. Thought it was time me to listen (again) to a channel with some humility.
Love the conversations of these distinguished Professors, I can only deduce that should anyone of them need anything heavy lifted in their homes I would be honoured
I am buying the books from those guys! This is just fascinating!
I could listen to you all for hours💛 You help me keep my sanity. I pray everything by Darwin will be buried once & for all.🤗 I thank God for giving you men the knowledge you have🙏
We cannot see the human mind, but we know that it exists because of its manifestations. The same could be said of the divine mind.
I find it very interesting how Peter has managed to integrate Stephen in a broader discussion with other experts to explore and ventilate the subjects so eloquently but still technically described in his books which might otherwise have been confined to a very narrow group of readers with technical or scientific beckgrounds. Good Job Peter! Always a pleasure listening to you as an interviewer.
Fantastic! Thank you! Such a great conversation! I will listen to it several times! It's such a gift to us to be able to listen to such conversations as if we were students and learn from those who have really STUDIED those who made important discoveries in the past and didn't get their information from wikipedia. It stimulates to do the same and begin to read by myself. Thank you, Mr. Robinson for being that great host that you are!
I still do not understand, but my understanding is now at a higher level.
Gosh I watched every minute of this with high focus. What amazing guests and thinkers.. thank you for giving this super interesting subject proper airtime and exposure.
Fabulous discussion! Every college student should watch this!
This was spiritual. We should all look at life as these three men do.
I'm really thankful and grateful to see such an amazing discussion on challenging topics like this. Thank you all.
Loved this! I would’ve like to seen Dr James Tour included in this discussion. But wow, what a great discussion. Three of my favorites at one table.
Peter Robinson is so humble. He’s a brilliant mind and fits in well with the other three brilliant minds.
Evolution occurs in the same way that the Ford Mustang evolved from the Model T.
The more we know the more exposed the problems of modern evolutionary theory become. t\The time problem, the linguistic problem, the information problem, the comibatorial problem, the list goes on and on. Even Bach is a problem for Darwin! Great discussion.
Brilliant! Thank you for sharing, I am truly fascinated with your three thought provoking guest!!! Such brilliant men who speak so eloquently, what a special treat for me tonight🙏
ThankYou. A magnificent conversation. I am enlightened, inspired, and empowered!
Another most interesting and challenging topic with three top logical intellectual men and a great moderator / interviewer. Thanks for the content and thoughts it stimulates in me as well will take seeing more than once to grasp
Excellent - there is hope for us yet! Really enjoyed this discussion.
Hey, if you guys ever want to go over your allotted time, I think we’re OK with it
Just because we have reached a point in our understanding where we recognise that we don't have all the answers does not mean that we allow our brains to go to mush and yell, 'God did it!' - which explains nothing. Science works by taking the challenge of the unknown and then working out what the missing pieces are.
This discussion shows that one particular model (Darwin's evolution) does not work in its current form. So, recognising the limitations, we build upon them and, eventually, find new mechanisms which solve the problems. This is the way good science works!
A good example of this occured in the 19th century when scientists couldn't erxplain how the Sun could burn for more than a few 10's of thousands of years. They were working with the idea of simple chemical reactions. When radioactivity came along and we realised just how much energy could be released via nuclear decay we suddenly had an answer that made sense.
Significant changes occur to genetics every generation. You don't need a million years to change a species dramatically.
Thank you so much for such a word class interview with world class participants. I must say it was a wonderful follow-up to, in my opinion being a Christian, a anticlimactic interview last episode. I appreciate Murray and Holland having read them but themselves not being Christians (yet) won't go near the logical ends of their own work.
Very necessary conversation! I love Lennox and it was great to hear him today.
you men are my heroes. I cannot properly express my gratitude to all of you.
Love all these men! God bless them- can’t wait to listen to this talk in full.
Opens my mind … lights up my soul
Thank you God for these intelligent Men 🤟🙏
Thank you for this wonderful discussion with such eminent guests. This resonated with me because the perfection of all that we see around us,
animals, plants, seacreatures, planets, stars & even machinery can not be explained to my satisfaction by solely evolution over millions of years.
What a brilliant discussion by the exceptionally gifted yet down to earth professionals!
Great video, it’d be interesting to see any or all of these professors have a conversation with or debate an educated proponent of Darwinism. Cheers
This is a gem. A gathering of intelligent minds.
Gentlemen thank you so much for your insight and honest appraisal of what is the nature of our world and our existence.
Wow what a great discussion. Best hour and half I have spent in days.
Wow, wow, wow! What an awesome discussion and debate that ultimately proves the existence of the Creator "Coder". Simply fantastic and so much more valuable than the garbage being pushed in so many of our universities today. Thank you so much gentlemen!
I think and feel that last comment was the most powerful of all!
Like others on this thread, I'm so grateful to be a fly on the wall for this kind of discussion.
I did get a bit lost at 17 mins - not quite sure of the point Prof Lennox (I love this man) was making after or about the mousetrap problem. If anyone has time or inclination to explain, I'd love it! 🙏🏼
This is a wonderful talk. Though I would have liked to have heard representation of conflicting opinions to get a broader understanding of both sides of the topic, not just a conversation of consensus. Very interesting none the less.
I very much enjoyed this well executed and reasoned discussion. I will enjoy sharing this with my family this evening.
One can only imagine the conversation after this interview.
I found 3 videos posted by The Hoover Institution with blocked comment section:
1. Uncommon Knowledge with David Berlinski on “The Deniable Darwin”
2. Stephen Meyer on Intelligent Design and The Return of the God Hypothesis
3. Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution
Why is that?
Just WOW!!! Thank you kindly gentlemen and may God bless...
Excellent. Thanks so much for posting this video!
Wonderful discussion. Thank you all!
I could listen to these guys for hours and hours. Absolutely excellent discussion!
Beautiful and brilliant minds!
Wonderful conversation!!!
This is awesome. The meeting of 4 great minds.They know and expound on an intellectual level what I know by instinct or seat of the pants level . Thanks and may God Bless all of you.
Absolutely fascinating discussion. I love the illustration that the cell is like a city with multiple activities performed by even more multiple elements or entities. The entire creation from the heavens to the tiniest, simplest elements of life can be envisioned in the same manner. I would ask, in the cellular model, what would be the equivalent of the negative, even criminal elements in a city? Would that correspond to disease, genetic abnormalities, etc.? Thank you for honoring God, the Creator of all things, in this discussion. May He be glorified!
I am in awe of these three gentlemen, and outstanding interview skills,
thank you all, I am further enlightened
Loved this. I really like Peter Robinson because I think he does a great job of representing us (the common viewer). The only slight frustration I have is numerous times he stops and interrupts the learned guests. Had he not done that, would this video be 5 hours long? Ha, maybe so but I’d wholeheartedly welcome it
I sent this video to a friend and he dismissed it because it was from the Hoover institute. I pray God guides him and me
What a wonderful conversation.. Watching it for a third time. I heard about irreducible complexity in the early 2000's. At that time it was talking about eyes which had to be created with all its parts, working altogether, not being built bit by bit. 🙂
Thanks for sharing this very beautiful conversation and doing it in a way that laymen can understand. Thank you so much!
A really great conversation. Truly inspiring. Thank you.
Wonderful discussion! My hope is that discussion of this will be allowed in science programs at all universities. BTW…Many Watson and Crick references…please also reference Rosalind Franklin. Without her, Watson and Cricks further discoveries may never have been “discovered.”
Dream interview! Thanks × ♾️!
Wonderfull conversation. Exceptionally insightfull and as usual Peter Robinson is excellent.
Their is no evidence whatsoever that disproves his existence, deep down everyone knows that GOD exists, all praise and glory to GOD
❤Excellent ....please do more of these type of discussions
3 powerhouses ❤ we are so blessed to get to hear this💯✝️
I could have watched this for hours! Amazing! Thank you!
A marvelous, informative, and highly entertaining discussion of significant issues and questions, with great detail and specific examples and hypotheses. Very well done.
Finally, a reasonable and honest discussion of the core issues I find interesting. Great stuff!
Incredible! Love these guys! We need more discussions like this
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This was wonderful & inspiring.
Thank you for the more favorable to my faith discussion, God bless you all!
Confirmation of our humanity! So thirsty for this. 🙏
May we never forget that, although science has become a religion to so many, it is, in fact, a methodolgy. When science and the method are kept honest we will, ultimately, will uncover many truths.
its nice to see that intellectualism and truth are not mutually exclusive.
Great to hear Steven Meyer suggest the notion that Darwinism is a form of secular religion. A point I have have long held to as, I assert that everyone has a religion! Your god can be whatever is most important to YOU.
Stephen Meyer is a genius in explaining difficult things !
Dear Peter, You have led these men astonishingly to encapsulate for the lay person the highest thinking on the most important issue of our day. This is a monumental conversation. Thank you so much.
That was a great conversation! Thank you!
Thank you to the 4 gentlemen for the expression of facts/truth and their learned brilliance. Excellent!
The last statement by the mathematician is the greatest argument against violence in the bible I ever heard