In the video I said that the DFAM lacks the trigger and advance buttons. It has them. Its missing the scale feature, which changes the number of steps from 1/4 note to 1/8. 1/16 and gives an option for these as triplets.
The one feature is missing that i really was hoping would be "added" to theirs is the midi ability to trigger each step like a drum machine. Sonoclast makes the device for the dfam called mafd.
Wouldn't a Korg SQ1 analog step sequencer be able to do this? Or would that be a different result? Oh yea you said MIDI. So that's not the same at all. I'm new to all this synth madness so maybe I'm way off base here. I have both devices. I just haven't tried pairing them together yet.
I was able to get around this by borrowing some features form the neutron. It's not convenient, but you can get around this with the advance patch point.
Just FYI, it has a totally different VCO than DFAM. Edge has a 3340 curtis clone, same as most of their other "clones". In the case of Edge it works out pretty good, ends up sounding even more gritty than a DFAM, great on snares and hats, but the bass tones are def not the same. Crave is just way off from M32. Also, a Moog style ladder filter has been copied ad nauseum already, including on their own Model D and Poly D, so I assume it's the same on Edge and Crave, it's just the VCO that's totally different. Nice tune at the end.
Thanks so much for that information! I found comparisons of the ladder to be slightly different from the DFAM. Is the difference just from the way it interacts with the VCO? Can you explain the difference from the bass tones?
@@likestarsatdawn I haven’t tried running any audio from a moog through crave/edge filter. I should try that. But I have model d and poly d and next to my moogs (I have quite a few) the behringer filter is very close, as is the vco. I’ve always just assumed that crave/edge has same filter since it in itself doesn’t sound different to me. But the vco is glaringly different between crave/edge and a moog/model d/poly d. Crave/edge vco is same 3340 Curtis they have in pro 1, neutron etc. MS1 has it too, so their ms1 doesn’t sound like a Roland either. Behringer keeps teasing mk2 with Roland-like vco. As it is with the 3340 Curtis, many of those behringers sound like a sequential/Dave smith. So DFAM/m32/Subharmonicon has a buttery tone, whereas the 3340 synths have more presence, sounds like pro 1. I’ve found the crave/edge to be kind of a cool hybrid, just doesn’t sound like the moogs. It’s most obvious on the bass and lead sounds. But the edge can really dig in with some strident sounds so I actually like it lots. I don’t think most people would notice the difference frankly, but I’m not being a purist when I say they just don’t sound the same. Like, quite different to my ears. Sequential vs moog, but with a ladder filter. It’s weird how they sound, nothing like it.
I have edge, I also own moog32 Edge it self is fun and everything, but lacks the moog warmth, it’s too harsh and too gritty for my personal taste, it’s cutting too sharp through the mix, perhaps it pairs better with crave or any other behringer synths, Not with the moog,
@@robertbanys yeah there is a difference. I kind of like that grittiness on the edge, but it doesn’t pair with m32 or Subharmonicon like dfam can. Edge can add a certain character to drums on the high end that dfam doesn’t and can even kind of do a Berlin techno sound on low. With the moog trio, Edge works quite well I think, even if it doesn’t replace dfam, where crave is truly the odd one out. But edge and crave go well together. The moog trio sounds incredibly warm, beautiful even, with just a bit of fitting crispiness from dfam, where the Behringer stuffs are in your face, not as much as Arturia stuffs, but getting there (I'm talking the Minibrute 2S here, which is basically the same thing function wise). It’s like a middle ground but that CAN'T do the extremities (warm or harsh (and I mean really harsh)) of moog and Arturia respectively. Anyway, all said, there is an undeniable magic in the that all Moog ecosystem that can't be replaced by the others, which doesn't mean that that magic is the only magic, but it is magic, so gorgeous. Having said that, I'm most definitely keeping the edge and 2 craves I have, even on the lookout for another used edge. Again, I promise, I am not being a purist or a snob, these differences are obvious to anyone with an ear and the Minibrute 2S sounds absolutely nothing like a moog, but I have 2 of those.
@alexwestconsulting I have been finding a lot of use for it paired with pitch shifter/ octave pedals and delays. There’s something about the bright sound that lends itself well to this kind of manipulation.
Probably worth? It’s worth a lot more than the going price! That’s not an opinion either, it’s most versatile piece of equipment I have. I want another and soo as possible!
@@likestarsatdawn yeah i tried doing a few synth demo videos but got completely discombobulated and gave up. Its much harder than it looks. So much to remember!!! 😎😎
In the video I said that the DFAM lacks the trigger and advance buttons. It has them. Its missing the scale feature, which changes the number of steps from 1/4 note to 1/8. 1/16 and gives an option for these as triplets.
This is really nice, and the song putting it all together was a great culmination!
Thanks so much, my friend!
I've had great fun experimenting with the edge so far, it's great to see what others are doing with it too and to really push it's possibilities.
The one feature is missing that i really was hoping would be "added" to theirs is the midi ability to trigger each step like a drum machine. Sonoclast makes the device for the dfam called mafd.
Wouldn't a Korg SQ1 analog step sequencer be able to do this? Or would that be a different result? Oh yea you said MIDI. So that's not the same at all.
I'm new to all this synth madness so maybe I'm way off base here. I have both devices. I just haven't tried pairing them together yet.
I was able to get around this by borrowing some features form the neutron. It's not convenient, but you can get around this with the advance patch point.
Excellent video and i like rhat song u made toward the end. Thank you for doing this
Thank you and you're welcome. I've had a lot of fun.
Super fun!!
Thanks!
Just FYI, it has a totally different VCO than DFAM. Edge has a 3340 curtis clone, same as most of their other "clones". In the case of Edge it works out pretty good, ends up sounding even more gritty than a DFAM, great on snares and hats, but the bass tones are def not the same. Crave is just way off from M32. Also, a Moog style ladder filter has been copied ad nauseum already, including on their own Model D and Poly D, so I assume it's the same on Edge and Crave, it's just the VCO that's totally different. Nice tune at the end.
Thanks so much for that information! I found comparisons of the ladder to be slightly different from the DFAM. Is the difference just from the way it interacts with the VCO? Can you explain the difference from the bass tones?
@@likestarsatdawn I haven’t tried running any audio from a moog through crave/edge filter. I should try that. But I have model d and poly d and next to my moogs (I have quite a few) the behringer filter is very close, as is the vco. I’ve always just assumed that crave/edge has same filter since it in itself doesn’t sound different to me. But the vco is glaringly different between crave/edge and a moog/model d/poly d. Crave/edge vco is same 3340 Curtis they have in pro 1, neutron etc. MS1 has it too, so their ms1 doesn’t sound like a Roland either. Behringer keeps teasing mk2 with Roland-like vco. As it is with the 3340 Curtis, many of those behringers sound like a sequential/Dave smith. So DFAM/m32/Subharmonicon has a buttery tone, whereas the 3340 synths have more presence, sounds like pro 1. I’ve found the crave/edge to be kind of a cool hybrid, just doesn’t sound like the moogs. It’s most obvious on the bass and lead sounds. But the edge can really dig in with some strident sounds so I actually like it lots. I don’t think most people would notice the difference frankly, but I’m not being a purist when I say they just don’t sound the same. Like, quite different to my ears. Sequential vs moog, but with a ladder filter. It’s weird how they sound, nothing like it.
I have edge, I also own moog32
Edge it self is fun and everything, but lacks the moog warmth, it’s too harsh and too gritty for my personal taste, it’s cutting too sharp through the mix, perhaps it pairs better with crave or any other behringer synths,
Not with the moog,
@@robertbanys yeah there is a difference. I kind of like that grittiness on the edge, but it doesn’t pair with m32 or Subharmonicon like dfam can. Edge can add a certain character to drums on the high end that dfam doesn’t and can even kind of do a Berlin techno sound on low. With the moog trio, Edge works quite well I think, even if it doesn’t replace dfam, where crave is truly the odd one out. But edge and crave go well together. The moog trio sounds incredibly warm, beautiful even, with just a bit of fitting crispiness from dfam, where the Behringer stuffs are in your face, not as much as Arturia stuffs, but getting there (I'm talking the Minibrute 2S here, which is basically the same thing function wise). It’s like a middle ground but that CAN'T do the extremities (warm or harsh (and I mean really harsh)) of moog and Arturia respectively. Anyway, all said, there is an undeniable magic in the that all Moog ecosystem that can't be replaced by the others, which doesn't mean that that magic is the only magic, but it is magic, so gorgeous. Having said that, I'm most definitely keeping the edge and 2 craves I have, even on the lookout for another used edge. Again, I promise, I am not being a purist or a snob, these differences are obvious to anyone with an ear and the Minibrute 2S sounds absolutely nothing like a moog, but I have 2 of those.
@alexwestconsulting I have been finding a lot of use for it paired with pitch shifter/ octave pedals and delays. There’s something about the bright sound that lends itself well to this kind of manipulation.
One day ill be able to find one of these in stock at a regular price 🙌
Sweetwater put me on a waiting list, and it wasn't too bad: just a couple of months.
@@likestarsatdawn came back in stock today and copped immediately, watching this video was my good luck charm lmao
@@flazay_da Every minute of my videos is imbued with good mojo. Glad I could help!
Probably worth? It’s worth a lot more than the going price! That’s not an opinion either, it’s most versatile piece of equipment I have. I want another and soo as possible!
Yeah, I love it. I want a 32 step version that lets me set the loop as 8, 16, and 32 steps. xD
What is the name of that wind instrument at the end?
That’s called the hulusi. It’s a wind instrument of several minority peoples in China. It’s most commonly associated with the daizu.
Definitely sounds amazing for sounds other than percussion so i really enjoyed your demo. Btw the env knobs are +/- so 12 oclock is zero envelope 😎
Thanks so much! That's a detail I missed.
@@likestarsatdawn yeah i tried doing a few synth demo videos but got completely discombobulated and gave up. Its much harder than it looks. So much to remember!!! 😎😎
@@drstupid1 Working on the two I have done really makes me appreciate loopop's work a lot more.
@@likestarsatdawn yep he's a wizard. Starsky carr has some good Edge vids too 😎
There's no "u" in Moog.
2:14 - 2:17 no words..... loop, add beat = Bean bag in smoke filled room.
Thank you!