Sure is :D If you have a ping of 1 then it is taking 1 millisecond to transfer the data, but if your ping is 1000 then it is taking a whole second from someone's pc moving their character for it to show on your screen!
Gummin Depends heavily on the game's netcode. In L4D2, over 40 ping starts to become noticeable. In BF4 Ping is almost irrelevant. In Tribes Ascend 20 and up is noticeable. In GunZ the Duel 1 ping is much better than 20.
Gummin i grew up with really shit internet. my ping in cod4 was usually around 400 - 500 on average and about 200 at best, and i still pwned. you kinda get used to it after a while.
This is a big problem in multiplayer fps games. In a 1v1 one player has a 3-5 second reaction time while another only has 1-2 second reaction time. I'd see someone and instantly die, in the killcam he saw me a good couple seconds before I saw him.
I hope quantum entanglement/teleportation will one day be a thing. Having a ping of 0ms would change everything ever. Imagine controlling a robot in realtime with unlimited range, imagine skyping with someone on mars like he was in front if you instead of waiting 15 minutes
Can you make a video that develops on top of this topic regarding what tech or global companies in IT have been doing in trying to minimize ping or are they even doing so. THanks!
Great video! Video idea: what are master passwords, e.g. in the context of password managers? How does the technology work, and what does it mean for the algorithm if a company decides to put in a "backdoor"?
think of the 192 bit and 256 bit bus as highway lanes, the more lanes the more traffic u can accommodate in other words more data can be be moved per cycle, which also dictates how much vram u can use (2 gb or 3gb or 4, 6) a 192 bit bus gpu has usually 8 memory modules (250 mb each for a total of 2 gb) with each having a 32 bit bus interface, 32 x 8 = 192, high bus means more memory can be handled but there are exception like the 192 bit 3gb gtx 660s but im lazy cant bother to explain that or all of this might be wrong and im an idoit, if it is the latter feel free to laugh
Very educational. Something to consider would be to inform the viewer about how to decrease ping time. What sorts of measures could be taken to lower ping in games? Do we need to simply look for a better internet provider or is there minor things that can increase performance? Thanks Linus!
the reason he picked the names "Dick and Jane" is because they are the names in some of the oldest books that were given to kids in school that taught the fundamentals of reading writing and arithmetic. I think they are still used today in some books.
waht ever.... I play with 50mb internet that is shared with 3 persons, I get 50 ping if I go to european server, 130 -150 if I go american and 200 + if I go to asian servers, I don't know why u would hit your head but ok..
I don't often subscribe; however to your channel I have. Excellent work. I was most excited to hear you start to break into the advanced topic of jitter and wander. Further quick explanation of jitter/wander & QoS as remedies along with some great graphics would be appreciated!
Ping is more of a utility that (usually) uses the ICMP protocol to send small packages and waits for a response. Ping is NOT the latency itself, and it sounded like you were trying to put it that way. For e.g., Ping is commonly used just to test if a route exists between the sender and the receiver. I love your videos, but I didn't like this explanation, it was a little confusing and misleading IMHO.
Thing is even bandwidth often doesn't matter, unless you have several people streaming videos, netflix wont fully utilize your typical cable internet bandwidth.
FYI latency to a gaming server is also affected on how far away it is. As in another country etc. Its less about the actual range, because electronic signals travels at the speed of light, but more about the amounts of hops the signal has to take between different ISP provider level "routers" (DSLAM etc) and the gaming server. The time the "router" takes to process the signal and send it to the next hop is actually what is the least time effective and ads to your latency rather than the physical range. For example. I live in Norway. I have less hops to many East coast US servers, because of the trans Atlantic underwater line, than I have to some gaming servers in South of Europe.
Your ping can affect your bandwidth, as in TCP/IP the reception of a packet needs to be acknowledged or the sender will stop sending, or resend the unacknowledged packets. This depends on the Window Scaling setting of the TCP/IP connection, if I'm correct, but there is a maximum to that (of 1GB?), at which point your ping starts limiting your bandwidth. This will not happen in most consumer setups, unless you have a really high ping, but can affect larger systems that push many GB/s.
I'm a bit confused, does this mean that I will have lower ping if let's say my Upload speed is at 500 mbit/s and download speed is at 1000 mbit/s compared to my current one which is at 250 mbit/s download and 10 mbit/s upload ( I usually have around 30-50 ping when I am connected to servers which are located in Amsterdam, Paris and London).
It is very self explanatory just like "bottlenecking" or "overclocking" or "when to upgrade you RAM" yet he has made a video of all of these topics... These videos get way more views than some very nerdy stuff only few viewers would understand.
Imagine a running race(the distance between your PC and the Server/PC/network device you want to connect to)... the time it takes you to finish it is your Ping.... say you can only run at a fixed speed(speed your request will travel across the copper/fibre to the server) so as a result you always get to the end of the race at the same time...Your internet connection would represent the amount of stuff you can carry while running. A stronger internet connection = more stuff carried... However you still run at the same speed during the race and so get to the end of the race at the same time(but with more stuff)... This is why the only way I know of to improve your Ping is a lot is to move physically closer to the server. This is a very simple example and there is a bunch of other crap affecting your Ping but this covers the basics and should help you understand better...
I just encountered your video. It was the first of the many results that actually explained what I wanted to know. Bonus, it explained latency, which I also didn't understand.
+•TэssэłłдtэdGцy• If you have litterally 0 ping it would actually mean you ARE the server even if you had a direct cable connecting you you would have some ping (though it would be
When is Jitter going to be talked about? I'm sure that's the consistency of ping, or standard deviation...but you say it? Also, any perspectives of mobile hard or solid state drives would be good. ALSO file compressions for video...? THANKS LINUS
I hope Techquickie is accepting requests for possible videos because I have one. I have been wondering for a while about the Blue, Green and Black WD hard drive types. I found some sites where they talk about them but not in-depth information. I would like to know more about those types of hard drives in more detail and if these classifications apply to other than WD made hard drives. And thank you in advance if you decide to make such a video.
If you are in a hurry there is a quick answer: Green are slow and quiet, primarily used for large chunks of data - music, movies, pictures. Blue are a lot faster, they are in the middle. Black have the best performance - used for programs, games and OS (if you don't want and SSD) but need more power and are noisiest. I have Blue and Black, not much of a difference to me personally.
So what actually determines ping value? Is it the isp? or physical distance between your device and the server? What is that ping number based upon? Thanks
You kind of made the explanation a lot more complex than it should have been. Ping is simply the time in milliseconds it takes for your internet connection to reach a server
Way back in the day when I played WoW on a dial-up connection it was playable for a long while. Until the first expansion when there was too much data trying to be sent. 200ms-300ms latency, but only connected at 26.4 Kb/s. Then I had gotten satellite internet and had a much larger amount of bandwidth connecting at 500+ Kb/s, but the game became barely playable because the signal had to travel to space and back first. Resulting in a 1200ms - 1500ms latency on a good day. Great for downloading large files and absolutely crap for a bunch of little files.
I was searching data centers for my console and found out the "ping time" next to data center, I watched this video and changed the data center to the one closet to were my console is located, and with the shortest ping time, now multiplayer has cut the lag in Half and everything runs much smother. If you have lag, check your ping!
Glad you write out what he's saying as I can't understand him otherwise. BTW, how to you spell experience? Don't think it's "experiance" as you spelled it.
Still amazes me that in any online game people can play and interact in near real-time. Data can travel from point A to point B, potentially thousands of miles in just 20ms. Crazy.
I have been playing Krunker.io for a while and I am never able to shoot anyone. Everyone keeps freezing in the air every couple of seconds I'm guessing it has to to with really high ping Is there a way that I can lower my ping to keep my game from lagging and freezing? I'm new to this "ping" stuff, so if you guys could help me that would be great.
So if we were to fall more toward the direction of video game streaming (ie Playstation Now), would that make online play near impossible to accomplish without lag since we would have to receive the game textures and maps AND the other players' location and bullet trajectory?
Great job on the video but make a video on how to reduce ping and make your internet service better. Maybe busy a myth about Ethernet vs wifi for ping.
This video is done so well! With the animations and everything, it makes it a very entertaining video and easy to understand. Great job!
***** Big fucking deal. The ad is after the content of the video and you can stop watching when he's done talking about ping.
dkamm65 I watched this hole video to learn about more not about how i can buy an audio book.
dkamm65 But thinking is too hard for some dkamm65
@dkamm65 You seem to be struggling with mental processes.
How are you, MS Tech?
(After 7 Years 😉)
More people need to watch this.
so...this video only tell us about what is a ping? right?
more people need to read a book
bacevs More people need to read and have patience in general. ;)
agreed
By more people, you mean every 13 year 'gamer'?
I hate having 120+ Fps on games and then have a shitty high ping -_- Gets real fucking annoying xD
I feel for you bro. Having the same thing on online Minesweeper. =(
EpeRantala Woah, your computer can run minesweeper? I get around 0.2 fps. Did you spend 100k on your build?
***** Mine's 30 grand. My minimum fps is still dipping at 29.
***** HAH. no, of course not I was just joking XD
sOMEONE IS BRAGGING ABOUT FPS HERE :V BRUH I GET 250 FPS OKAY...
"That was 3 hours ago, Dick."
🐓
So, the lower the ping the better?
Sure is :D If you have a ping of 1 then it is taking 1 millisecond to transfer the data, but if your ping is 1000 then it is taking a whole second from someone's pc moving their character for it to show on your screen!
Théoden Eorl Even then 150 is pretty bad.
250 is unplayable.
Gummin
Depends heavily on the game's netcode. In L4D2, over 40 ping starts to become noticeable. In BF4 Ping is almost irrelevant. In Tribes Ascend 20 and up is noticeable. In GunZ the Duel 1 ping is much better than 20.
Xendrus Idziak Good point.
Yeah.
Gummin i grew up with really shit internet. my ping in cod4 was usually around 400 - 500 on average and about 200 at best, and i still pwned. you kinda get used to it after a while.
"Experience" was misspelled at 1:24.
you are what we call a man of the wise eye
Gitters was miss spelled at 1:50
Extremely was also misspelt at 0:39
I have very high ping time when talking to attractive girls. Alcohol does improve connectivity.
Doddo MultiGamer Says the person who comments on a 8 month old joke... I think you have the higher ping my friend.
Doddo MultiGamer "TROLLOLOLOL IM FUNNY PLEASE ACCEPT ME" is all i read there
***** Fuck it, I want to say something, I don't care if the comment is 2 minutes old or 2 years old, I'm going to say it anyway.
aeterna789 boi
The Hoothoot dude. You responded to a 4 yr old comment
This is a big problem in multiplayer fps games. In a 1v1 one player has a 3-5 second reaction time while another only has 1-2 second reaction time. I'd see someone and instantly die, in the killcam he saw me a good couple seconds before I saw him.
I hope quantum entanglement/teleportation will one day be a thing.
Having a ping of 0ms would change everything ever. Imagine controlling a robot in realtime with unlimited range, imagine skyping with someone on mars like he was in front if you instead of waiting 15 minutes
skype is dead thogh
Just checked out your channel and i gotta say you're awesome, keep up the good work!
Can you make a video that develops on top of this topic regarding what tech or global companies in IT have been doing in trying to minimize ping or are they even doing so. THanks!
Experiance? :p
Extremly?
letsgoiowa *Extremely*
Maybe thats how canadians say and write ?
Great video! Video idea: what are master passwords, e.g. in the context of password managers? How does the technology work, and what does it mean for the algorithm if a company decides to put in a "backdoor"?
I like this explanation video, it's not dragged out to make the 10 minute mark, he explained more in 3 minutes than other guy did in 16 minutes.
What ?
Linus, can you do a video explaining what Memory Interface Bus Bit actually mean? Like the 192bit and the 256 bit.
its how fast the memory is more bits per second is better
bkiism dont listen to this kid, this is wrong.
kyle xuse, than what? bigger bus more bandwith
Great idea
think of the 192 bit and 256 bit bus as highway lanes, the more lanes the more traffic u can accommodate in other words more data can be be moved per cycle, which also dictates how much vram u can use (2 gb or 3gb or 4, 6) a 192 bit bus gpu has usually 8 memory modules (250 mb each for a total of 2 gb) with each having a 32 bit bus interface, 32 x 8 = 192, high bus means more memory can be handled but there are exception like the 192 bit 3gb gtx 660s but im lazy cant bother to explain that or all of this might be wrong and im an idoit, if it is the latter feel free to laugh
Thanks! This was very clear and now I understand what ping is! Helpful as always!
Very educational. Something to consider would be to inform the viewer about how to decrease ping time.
What sorts of measures could be taken to lower ping in games? Do we need to simply look for a better internet provider or is there minor things that can increase performance?
Thanks Linus!
thanks and happy holidays to all
1:25 EXPERIANCE instead of EXPERIENCE....
99% of the comments aren't suitable for kids
Nice video Linus! You explained it very very nice!
I cant be the only one who cannot keep a straight face when he says "Dick"! 😂
because you want it?
Great lesson, Linus!
the reason he picked the names "Dick and Jane" is because they are the names in some of the oldest books that were given to kids in school that taught the fundamentals of reading writing and arithmetic. I think they are still used today in some books.
I saw that "experiance" typo XD 1:26
+TheCactuar124 must have been dennis.
+TheCactuar124 so did i thought i was seeing things.
+TheCactuar124 'extremly' important
+ALifeguard Mlg Dennis didnt work there yet lol
Why do you guys use "+"
These videos are awesome. Thanks, guys!
THANK YOU.
Too many people think their 20mb connection means they can play games online and don't understand why their 500ms latency is causing lag.
20 mb is enough to play online :D it depends where the server is.
mtkl23 *facepalm*
waht ever.... I play with 50mb internet that is shared with 3 persons, I get 50 ping if I go to european server, 130 -150 if I go american and 200 + if I go to asian servers, I don't know why u would hit your head but ok..
Kevin Walter I just facepalmed in real life as well xD
Mr. Fuzzums Dude just doesn't get it...
Or comprehension is very low. Either way, not my problem.
This is a VERY well made video, nice job!
1:26 Experiance lol
I don't often subscribe; however to your channel I have. Excellent work.
I was most excited to hear you start to break into the advanced topic of jitter and wander. Further quick explanation of jitter/wander & QoS as remedies along with some great graphics would be appreciated!
Ping is more of a utility that (usually) uses the ICMP protocol to send small packages and waits for a response. Ping is NOT the latency itself, and it sounded like you were trying to put it that way. For e.g., Ping is commonly used just to test if a route exists between the sender and the receiver. I love your videos, but I didn't like this explanation, it was a little confusing and misleading IMHO.
I like this channel alot lately. Keep those videos coming! :)
ITT: People don't know that Dick is a name.
I'm from Germany and some dude up the street is named Everhard Dick. Actual name
Felixkeeg Sounds like my friend Dick Butkus
IKR
yay new episode!
been waiting long for this!
Your text guy spelt Experience wrong, just saying.
Everyone needs a Techquickie covering the basic aspects of Banwidth.
how many channels this dude have
Forgot about the Cat channel which is surprising considering it has to be the best out of all of them
Thing is even bandwidth often doesn't matter, unless you have several people streaming videos, netflix wont fully utilize your typical cable internet bandwidth.
Where's the jitter video? :(
RiversDelay I'm wondering too!
RiversDelay jitter is amount of data lost during communication. The lower jitter, more stable connection.
FYI latency to a gaming server is also affected on how far away it is.
As in another country etc. Its less about the actual range, because electronic signals travels at the speed of light, but more about the amounts of hops the signal has to take between different ISP provider level "routers" (DSLAM etc) and the gaming server. The time the "router" takes to process the signal and send it to the next hop is actually what is the least time effective and ads to your latency rather than the physical range.
For example.
I live in Norway. I have less hops to many East coast US servers, because of the trans Atlantic underwater line, than I have to some gaming servers in South of Europe.
This video is so dirty
how so?
I like ur pfp
Your ping can affect your bandwidth, as in TCP/IP the reception of a packet needs to be acknowledged or the sender will stop sending, or resend the unacknowledged packets. This depends on the Window Scaling setting of the TCP/IP connection, if I'm correct, but there is a maximum to that (of 1GB?), at which point your ping starts limiting your bandwidth.
This will not happen in most consumer setups, unless you have a really high ping, but can affect larger systems that push many GB/s.
Experiance?
lol good catch.
The answer to the question is perfectly delivered in the very first 27 seconds of the video. Well done!
Hehe...Dick. I'm so immature.
Could you make a video explaining the differnces and what is Double Buffering/Triple Buffering
MERRY CHRISTMAS LINUS.GREAT VIDEOS AS ALWAYS
Did anyone else spot the spelling mistake in this video?
+Rodney AK-81 experiance!!!!!!!!!
Satyam Sovan Mishra *experience
@@dilksjoel "Experiance" is the spelling mistake in the video.
Simple and short. I just like it.
my ping is always high cuz i live in greece, too unfair , i have a negative kd, once it dropped down to 100 , 1,7 was my kd
then
Marios Rouggeris lol I feel you my ping is always 100-400 it's terrible trying to play csgo
I UNLOCKED MYINTERNET TO THE SPEED THAT I ACTUALLY PAY AND IT IS 70MOST OF THE TIME, 90 WHEN I DOWNLOAD STH
I'm a bit confused, does this mean that I will have lower ping if let's say my Upload speed is at 500 mbit/s and download speed is at 1000 mbit/s compared to my current one which is at 250 mbit/s download and 10 mbit/s upload ( I usually have around 30-50 ping when I am connected to servers which are located in Amsterdam, Paris and London).
I always thought Ping was one of the more self explanatory aspects of online gaming.
Me too. Didn't expect a tech quickie on this topic.
its helpful for newbie
I agree, but most of Linus' followers are more tech-literate than some gamers.
It is very self explanatory just like "bottlenecking" or "overclocking" or "when to upgrade you RAM" yet he has made a video of all of these topics... These videos get way more views than some very nerdy stuff only few viewers would understand.
Imagine a running race(the distance between your PC and the Server/PC/network device you want to connect to)... the time it takes you to finish it is your Ping.... say you can only run at a fixed speed(speed your request will travel across the copper/fibre to the server) so as a result you always get to the end of the race at the same time...Your internet connection would represent the amount of stuff you can carry while running. A stronger internet connection = more stuff carried... However you still run at the same speed during the race and so get to the end of the race at the same time(but with more stuff)... This is why the only way I know of to improve your Ping is a lot is to move physically closer to the server. This is a very simple example and there is a bunch of other crap affecting your Ping but this covers the basics and should help you understand better...
i haz all the ping. 3000ms
My GPU is the hottest of all GPU
@@franchufranchu119 Lol
I just encountered your video. It was the first of the many results that actually explained what I wanted to know. Bonus, it explained latency, which I also didn't understand.
anyone laugh when linus says. dick?
Nah cuz it's 2020
Nice! Thanks was just wonderinghow ping works and what it means
Wow a bunch of computer nerds hear the name Dick and you light up the comment section. I think you people need to get outside more.
He could have said "Richard".
What is this "outside" you speak of ? Where in Skyrim or WoW can I find this ? Gear required ?
madestro yeah glasses
awesome stuff Linus. became a fan in 2013 and will continue to be a fan of all your stuff. oh yea, and Slick too,lol
I got 1 ping using speedtest.net with cat 7 lan and fibre broadband.so long suckers XD
+ₑₓₜᵣₑₘₑgₐₘₑᵣz ⱼ.F I got 0 ping. Beat that suckers xD
+•TэssэłłдtэdGuy• •ErgФnФm¡cGr¡p• waaaa you have to be a bot or something then
Visal Mudiyanselage That means I'm CONNECTED to the server directly. So there's not even 1 ms of ping.
ohhhhhhh
+•TэssэłłдtэdGцy• If you have litterally 0 ping it would actually mean you ARE the server even if you had a direct cable connecting you you would have some ping (though it would be
Linus videos are damn. A guy can learn so much about computers by following Linus.
In planetside 2 my ping was 28000 (my download speed is 0.37mbps)
Ok, U are clearly using the peasant box 2000
No
pfft, how isnt it? your ping causes a 20 second delay at the least
Yep, i hope we will get better internet before i am going to live on myself (i'm 15)
I made a headshot and about 2 minutes later i got xp for it
When is Jitter going to be talked about? I'm sure that's the consistency of ping, or standard deviation...but you say it? Also, any perspectives of mobile hard or solid state drives would be good. ALSO file compressions for video...?
THANKS LINUS
Am I the only one that gets very distracted by the speech-to-text? I really don't think it helps.
It helps me and I assume it's that way for most. You're probably in the minority in that regard.
I hope Techquickie is accepting requests for possible videos because I have one. I have been wondering for a while about the Blue, Green and Black WD hard drive types. I found some sites where they talk about them but not in-depth information. I would like to know more about those types of hard drives in more detail and if these classifications apply to other than WD made hard drives. And thank you in advance if you decide to make such a video.
If you are in a hurry there is a quick answer: Green are slow and quiet, primarily used for large chunks of data - music, movies, pictures. Blue are a lot faster, they are in the middle. Black have the best performance - used for programs, games and OS (if you don't want and SSD) but need more power and are noisiest. I have Blue and Black, not much of a difference to me personally.
i get 36-40 ping on LoL
and after 9 years or something, they STILL haven't linked another video
uhgaynst =/= against. ;D Love ya Linus.
So what actually determines ping value? Is it the isp? or physical distance between your device and the server? What is that ping number based upon?
Thanks
ping
***** ping
***** bong
Kyle Morton ping
You kind of made the explanation a lot more complex than it should have been. Ping is simply the time in milliseconds it takes for your internet connection to reach a server
While that is true, he did try to answer every question an individual might have concerning ping
Way back in the day when I played WoW on a dial-up connection it was playable for a long while. Until the first expansion when there was too much data trying to be sent. 200ms-300ms latency, but only connected at 26.4 Kb/s. Then I had gotten satellite internet and had a much larger amount of bandwidth connecting at 500+ Kb/s, but the game became barely playable because the signal had to travel to space and back first. Resulting in a 1200ms - 1500ms latency on a good day. Great for downloading large files and absolutely crap for a bunch of little files.
how about discussing what are good and bad speeds for gaming, streaming etc etc
I was searching data centers for my console and found out the "ping time" next to data center, I watched this video and changed the data center to the one closet to were my console is located, and with the shortest ping time, now multiplayer has cut the lag in Half and everything runs much smother. If you have lag, check your ping!
So Good explanation 😍👏
Hi Linus,
Maybe you will talk about the difference between 1080p and 1080i in the next episode?
isnt it simple one delivering full 1080pixel hight signals and the other delivering faster 590pixel hight signals
what would be the best gaming router. ...BTW your explanation of ping was great could you cover jitter
I love these videos. Thank you!!
Glad you write out what he's saying as I can't understand him otherwise. BTW, how to you spell experience? Don't think it's "experiance" as you spelled it.
I think of a network as a delivery truck, bandwidth is how much cargo the truck can carry, ping is how fast is the truck.
Very good information indeed...thank you
That was very helpful. Thanks.
Great explanation and examples!
Thanks for the video Linus! Always wanted to know what's the proper definition of Ping. =)
That's great , many people don't know these information
Hope you can make a video on "effective ways" to lower ping in online games! or if you have already made a video, please link it!
Linus, one of your editors misspelled "experience". Just thought you would want to know.
Great explanation! Really helped
You're good at what you do, thanks
I agree
Still amazes me that in any online game people can play and interact in near real-time. Data can travel from point A to point B, potentially thousands of miles in just 20ms. Crazy.
Merry Christmas to you and yours Linus and family work family too
I have been playing Krunker.io for a while and I am never able to shoot anyone.
Everyone keeps freezing in the air every couple of seconds
I'm guessing it has to to with really high ping
Is there a way that I can lower my ping to keep my game from lagging and freezing?
I'm new to this "ping" stuff, so if you guys could help me that would be great.
This also happens with a few other games that I play and it get really annoying sometimes
Great info thanks so much
Always reliable... thanks man..you should be my computer network teacher.
You're a good teacher ,many student can pass through your teaching
So if we were to fall more toward the direction of video game streaming (ie Playstation Now), would that make online play near impossible to accomplish without lag since we would have to receive the game textures and maps AND the other players' location and bullet trajectory?
Still waiting on that link for explaining jitter!!!
linus make a video about soundcards what they are doing and how they work
You still haven't posted jitter, it's been half a year
Great job on the video but make a video on how to reduce ping and make your internet service better. Maybe busy a myth about Ethernet vs wifi for ping.