"The Glazers Would Sack Him Already!" | Paddock Podcast
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0:00 - Video Start
0:52 - Ten Hag To Be Sacked?
11:27 - Ashworth
13:00 - Waiting For A New Manager
27:10 - Will INEOS Be A Success?
43:30 - Title Contenders Soon?
49:19 - Statement Transfer Window?
58:30 - Wally Of The Wally
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Like this comment if you think INEOS will be a success!
Ineos are glazer enablers. Brexit fc incoming.
We don’t need to sell players as a statement. We need to sell them because they’re not good enough to play for a Manchester United team that wants to compete at the top. I dont expect us to get rid of everyone we need to in the same window, but we should be looking to sell as many as humanly possible as quickly as possible.
Precisely this. We already fudged the first season of ten Hag's reign with the horrendous purchasing. Then wasted this summer with our refusal to move players on.
Making far too much sense for this club right now. More likely to spend 50- 60 mill on an injury prone player like mount then move the failures on.
@@XboneMalone we don't have a refusal to move people on, it's incompetence. They can't move them on. Hopefully the new lot will
@@garethdeere4822 Mount wasn’t injury prone. He had an injury last season for Chelsea that kept him out for a while but the three seasons prior to that he played virtually every game.
Selling players that aren’t good enough because we want to compete at the top would be a statement of intent would it not?
The main reason ten hag hasn't been sacked or backed is the fact that Ineos are leaving the decision to the football people.. Wilcox has only been there two weeks and Berrada and Ashworth haven't even started..
They all have to agree on a football style and vision going forward, then see if ten hag fits that vision..
Way too early to say .. probably why he'll get another season
Yeah not backed to the tune of over £400m
Biggest noticeable difference between The Glazers and Sir Jim is that he treats it as a job as an owner and wants to know whats going on and showing every employee of the club that he is a man of importance that can make changes.
What has plagued all managers post Fergie is the secret players who down tools and r bad influences, ineos playing this well with eth, don't back him or deny backing him publicly, keep the players guessing or even make them show their true colours based on past trends of United sacking managers when there r a run of poor results.
I hope you're right. Blind man could see this problem is the Paquette and the poor mentality that has corrupted the dressing room.
Yep Roy Keane said the players will throw Ole under the bus just as they did Mourinho and he was right. This club takes all the fight out of players, seeing it falling apart and flooding, I'm not surprised.
The theatre of streams 😂😂 was worth the chuckle
I watched Match of the Day last night, and after the Utd/Arsenal game the pundits were outdoors in the empty stadium doing their analysis, and it was still pissing down. The pundits made a comment on how the roof in the stands was no protection and they were still getting soaked, and made a bit of a joke about it! Embarrassing! That's all I can say... This is Man Utd and we ain't got a modern stadium fit enough to protect the crowd from the rain, and it's now a joke on Match of the Day! How have Utd come to this? This is a club with money FFS!!
Money earmarked for dividends. No1 priority
@@derekibison6644 That's true, but wow, the levels of greed, selfishness, neglect and lack of caring is obscene. Who are these people?!
@@MrEwanc Yes it’s weird. People who are so rich that they will never possibly spend even a fraction of their wealth, desperately seeking more and more. For what?
It seems to me that people with this mentality (see also powerful people in the UK gov) seem to get their kicks not such much by enjoying their wealth, but by seeing the impact on others who they see as undeserving or below them. The Glazers have no appreciation whatsoever of Manchester United.
Highly rate Ronaldo changing his mindset and looking at it on a larger scale. What a good guy
The biggest argument for keeping Ten Hag is to try to maintain some stability and not allow a rotten culture to kill another manager. I'm not convinced by Erik but the lack of obvious alternatives makes me think give him until christmas and it's a clear sign from Ineos that player under performance is the main focus.
Id like to see the new managment bring in players that maybe arent touted as wonderkids or amazing veterans but your bog standard good premier league player that raises the ceiling of the squad!
Definitely, mentality and availability most important things
The modern United internet fan -
1. complain about everything the glazers do for 18 years.
2. Hit a bad run and hound the manager out
3. Hire new manager and have a good start
4. Hit a bad run and hound the manger out, while also claiming the previous manager wasn’t given enough of a chance.
5. Get new owners that run the football side, Complain that they aren’t doing things the same way as the glazers.
7. Never blame players that have had multiple managers because you have them as your screensaver.
No wonder no one takes us seriously as a club or a fanbase anymore 😂
another important thing I don't see a lot of people talking about is the financial aspect of keeping managers around to see out their contracts
For 10 years, we've been offering managers the same ludicrous contracts we've been offering players. When we sack the managers, the last years wages don't just disappear into the void, sacking a manager entails paying off the rest of their contract to relieve them of it same as it would be if we just tore up a player's contract; we then promptly go and promise another ludicrous contract to the next manager. Every time we sack a manager, we've essentially thrown away millions; so the whole "oh we'll just give you a 5 year contract and sack you in 2 if you're not up to standard" approach is poor financial planning on top of being very short sighted.
Teams can have lulls in form ranging a few seasons, happened to Arsenal a few years ago. It's a much better approach to just give managers short term contracts, let them see the entire thing out and reevaluate their position at the end of the contract based not on their performance in 1 season in isolation, but in their entire career for the club overall. 3 years (overall) should be enough of a sample to make an educated decision on Ten Hag's future for the club based on his entire time at the club. It's quite frankly ridiculous to only judge the manager based on a rough patch in isolation; any time I see other fans of the club argue against that, it genuinely makes me laugh at how stupid and short sighted they all are
Great show, watch it! Positive and realistic vibes
The only way it will be different, is if ETH is retained, because it means that we have a plan.
We could have a plan, that includes sacking a manager producing the worst displays I have ever seen
That title says a lot to be fair.
For me it would make sense that the new guys in charge of the football part of the club makes a plan of what kind of football we should play, then find the manager and players that will play that way.
Thank the football gods for Joe Smith!! Gives me faith in united fans!!! Always the voice of reason and logic! 😊
Ronnie consistently speaks the most sense out of this lot
Kids come a very long way. Always sit up straight when he speaks & focus cause I might even learn a thing or two, or see a different perspective
I love the dude but I feel he makes elaborate remarks that are ultimately, non points.
In their minds even the players think ten Hag is gonna be sacked because everyone is talking about it and given our history of sacking our manager every 18 months, it’s no surprise. Head wise, the players have checked out. And with the final coming, they are holding back to save themselves for the big game, even faking injuries. I hope Arsenal go on to win the league, just to show everyone that patience with a coach is a virtue. And United should do the same with ten Hag.
The Glazers would have sacked him, but they thought Ed Woodward was doing a good job, so it makes perfect sense to do the opposite of what they would do
3 absolute titans of the United fan base. And Joe. Which joe? That is for you to decide
Give EtH a new contract, show the players he’s here to stay and out the dead wood.
The idea of justifying sacking managers is crazy. From the standards set by Sir Alex you could justify sacking a manager every year they don't win the league.
If you employed a surgeon and every single patient dies under his watch would you keep them or let them go
@@user-pz1ho3ft4kseems like you missed what happened last season.
Player power wins again.
Could INEOS be waiting to see how McKenna does in the Prem? Knows the club, been a good coach, and now just need to prove he can have a good o in the Prem. If Ipswich play good football - and stay up - is he on the shortlist for 2025/26?
Everyone says they want a slow build like Liverpool and Arsenal , but there’s a lot of revisionism with their first 3 seasons”we could see what they where trying to do” but there’s a reason they finished outside the top 4 comfortably. No manager will be successful with us until we build a base structure of a team.i don’t want to see 100m signings until we’ve got a team that plays the same.
Mad respect to Ronaldo for making his feelings known, siding with Joe on that one
Player power needs to be broken at the club to progress. Is getting rid of yet another manager going to do that or further entrench it?
No.
Manager is completely irrelevant to player power. Strength comes from ownership, not employees.
@@danielberry4765 you a sadly wrong without workers there wouldn't be ownership
@@TheWullsi
Well this isn’t Marxist economic theory. There are owners and employees dummy.
Whats Luke littler doing on the Stretford Paddock? 😂😂😂
Here for the hilarious manscapper ads
I quite liked ten haags suit so maybe thay says a lot about mr
I also liked it and my taste is impeccable
Idk where Ronaldo comes from with this idea that you can't have Bruno, Rashford or Martinez as your best players. Who is better than Bruno in the PL? When in form Rashford can be the best winger in the PL and Martinez is one of the very best defenders probably. You can only say that we need more players like that, but not that these 3 are not up for it, imo.
I didn't like the sacking of Ole, he got done dirty. LVG as well to a lesser extent. But Ole had Ed galaxy braining the Ronaldo transfer and not giving Ole players he specifically asked for. As Ste Howson often says, as time goes on, Ole's name earns more of the respect it should've got at the time.
OUT: Greenwood, Sancho, Casemiro, Varane, Lindelof (or Maguire), Donny, Hannibal, Wan Bisakka
IN: Olise, 1 CB, 1 striker, 1 CDM, 1 RB
I think we ALSO need another CB, but we won’t sign a second CB in the same transfer window.
Let’s see… We know 1 thing from the past for sure: Joel Glazer not Ed Woodward made the final decision about all incoming players. From that it is almost certain that , 2) Joel Glazer had the final say over who the manager would be.
Honestly not a fan of the channel but the antagonistic views with well articulated points of views for both and against ten hag is brilliant. More talks like this and less army/media influenced talks from agenda-based journalists
how does the squad clear out happen? For what United paid in transfer fees and player wages who will pay up to take Casemiro, Antony, Sancho, Maguire?
Exactly this not even the Saudi would pay 80 mill for Maguire
@@garethdeere4822 Transfer fees are written off over the period of their contract, Maguires book value would be 20m. Antony and Cas would show a large drop in book value as they have 3 years left on their contracts.
Agree, getting someone to pay their wages will be a massive challenge.
It needs to happen gradually but with positive direction.
Unbelievable line up
Lisandro should play DM. Best suited.
Forgot about Tony M he can leave on a free … massive wages !!
We have a good spine, even though some would say no
Onana, Licha, Mainoo, Nacho and Hoijlund … you place decent players around them we challenge for sure
At this point it just sounds like Ronaldo Brown just wants to be right rather than sensible to understand what Joe is saying. We get it you don’t like ETH but I agree with everything Joe gave as a reason for sticking with ETH. Can’t keep doing a rinse repeat every time we’ve a bad season.
Miss the days when Casemiro would strangle the opposition
The glazers don’t look at everything else when sacking managers, they see if they don’t make top 4 then get rid. They aren’t going to recognise that them, themselves are part of the bigger problem and give the manager time 🤷🏽♂️
Ten Hag said it himself.This season with all that's gone on with injuries and player power and ref/var decisions can be included in this. It's been like trying to swim and keep your head above water with your hands tied behind your back.
David goggins can donthat
Yeah, but I hate this BS that there is nobody else on Earth who can manage United, better than Ten Hag. Of course there bloody is!
@@LorraineHinchliffe-vg5cb sorry son but I’m too busy managing you mamma
He said it because he wants to save his job. He isn’t getting a big club job after this. All he has done is make excuses and embarass this club on the pitch.
@@Jackiiiiiiiiibe less of a moron
1:00:48 LMAO 😂😂😂
I've barely listened because I'm distracted by those teeny tiny coffee cups
I think Barada will be the one that wants him gone. Hell the one most wanting to make his stamp.
L take Mr Smith. In 2/3 years, we need to start challenging for the title regularly every season
Ashworths job would be more about football matters like the manager, not Berrada, who's more concerned with the overall running of the club
It's as if they're not seeing the big picture about EtH from Ineos' perspective. Other than a slight upturn in form if players realised the manager would be staying on there is very little to gain.
Making a statement in favour of ten hag, given the results this season, would mean making their choice for the future. Ineos have just got their feet under the table at United. It makes more sense to bring in the hierarchy, let them make their assessments and act from there.
Bringing in a new manager, before thorough analysis, to maybe scrape a trophy and then have to sack him 18 months down the line would leave the fan base and pundits asking themselves if anything at the club has changed since ineos came in.
They are, and probably should less concerned with winning football matches in the short term than the long term image of the project.
Edit: Thank god for Joe.
Pep had Agearo and if Pep came in to Manchester United for next season with a similar squad to now then they would finish 6th at best
What you guys forget to consider is that the injuries have not only put a pressure on ETH in fielding best 11 but it has also pushed players to play more and more game time than they might be capable or equipped for. Not to mention increased playing hours due to UEFAs decision this season around. We are operating with limited squad and I do think that creates an issue in even implementing basic tactical plans. No matter how super human the modern athlete is supposed to be everyone has a breaking point.
Player power started when the 'class of 92' weren't in control of the dressing room and players like Rooney,Rio,Young and others took over and were so happy to be in charge at last and they decided to not play for Moyes, tge younger players would of seen this
Wazza til the end of the season!
Birmingham City Football Club
I don't agree with the presenter of the show saying Two title challenges in 10 years (paraphrased) that's a negative attitude, and I don't think SJR and his team are negative thinkers pragmatic maybe but not negative..
I see a window of opportunity opening up in the next couple of seasons which could lead us to the title in May 27.. and a more sustainable position from there on.
Klopp leaving next week will see that team start to break up over the next 18 months,
I believe next season will be Pep's last (if not sooner) and that current shitty team also break up.
Arsenal will fall away also over the same period especially as they will fail to win the title again this season.. (belief & moral will dip)
Spurs will just be Spurs.
Newcastle will get stronger of course and provide a strong challenge.
The point being, If the correct decisions are made at United this summer (the most important in our recent history) and the process of removing the dead wood is started in earnest and replaced by better, and strengthened over the next three/four windows there is absolutely no reason why we couldn't win the title in the 26/27 season...
I'm a glass half full type of person...
When a stack holder is spun as a new owner ?
To be a United fan at the moment is nothing short of depressing 😔
Can’t really be depressed when you know we got Kobbie
Ronaldo’s comment RE Martinez will be unpopular but he’s right. He’s a top player but there are questions over his physical capabilities. Not sure he’s agile/quick/ powerful enough to play in a high defensive line. We shall see
Martin Edwards didn't come out in defense of Fergie. Owners don't do it ever. You're reading way too deep into their silence
Do you think teams are being less aggressive in sacking managers because of the crackdown on financial fair play/ sustainability etc…?
No
Might be more the view that people perceive there is a lack of viable options. I personally think that is a lazy opinion.
Appointing Ten Hag was a risk as he didn’t have a CV that suggested he was capable of managing Utd. Liverpool are taking a similar risk with their new guy. Clubs seems to be prioritising ‘style of play’ over managers with track records of success and delivery. Moyes at West Ham is another example- their most successful manager is getting the boot because he doesn’t fit the modern hipster mould. A truly elite club seeking a new manager should ideally be appointing someone that has previously won a top 5 league, and/or a champions league (preferably both). This is the approach of Real, City, Bayern etc. Of the rumoured replacements, only Tuchel, Jose and Nagelsmann have a good enough CV
Cv don't mean nothing if the club is shit
@@TheWullsi So you think hiring a manager with no pedigree is better than hiring a proven manager? You are certainly a UTD supporter.
@@ajnz2420 in this day in age whose actually proven. All the proven are in a stable environment and winning there not leaving. So being realistic you only have a pool to choose from of unprovens
I hate this BS thing that there is nobody else on Earth who can do better as United manager, than Ten Hag. Of course there bloody is!
The cult of ten hag😂
Fan base doesn't realise how much its hurting us now having had the best manager ever. We're stuck in 1990 hoping Mr no midfield can become a great and rival fans are laughing their tits off at us
Ineos are waiting for the new incoming seniors to make the decision
We need to start looking forward at this club. What's been has gone. Absolutely no point in going over the last 12 years over and over again. ETH can't do the job and these players are shite and can't be arsed.
Ronaldo browns glass is always half empty my man needs to chill
From neville podcast last month..im a bit worried of getting ashworth as hes being too english base..the fact that he believed neville is going to become an elite manager at valencia and taken over england is worrying..plus all the southgate rumour and potter..it looking likely its dan ashworth pushing the agenda.. i think we should be more clever in hiring all over the globe..😢
tbf your not wrong with the title tbh
It's crazy how people disrespect Ole.... He's done amazing and nobody is yet to eclipse his achievements in my opinion. F the europa league, he's been better in the league then anyone else and that's the hardest competition
Apart from Moyes, Oli is the only full-time manager to not win any silverware. Van Gal won the FA cup, Jose won the Europa, league cup, final of the FA cup, 2nd place in the league. Even the muppet we have now has won more than Oli.
@@ajnz2420 These are not achievements worth for Man United. I prefer beating city multiple times and getting in the top 4 consistently (he also finished 2nd mind you) than and FA cup and even Europa League... the league is your bread and butter and from my perspective his team was the best one to watch we've had since SAF
Carrick is next in line to manage
We don't need to sell every player as some can do a good job but we need to sell the players with rotten attitudes regardless of there ability and Rashford definitely as Rooney pretty much exposed him and he gets on with him
always enjoy content but would be much better if each of em could speak their piece without being interrupted/spoken over, When Jay Steve and Mckola are on it can get unbearable
The guy that says that management should ask the players whether they still believe in EtH as a reason to sack him or not... I mean, how many players in this average midtable squad have not bottled it and are in any way a good reference for that?
80% of them is simply trash. Everyone can see that.
Now this clown comes along with this blurb
Agree. Terrible idea. Ffs.
It's darkest before the dawn lads.
Hopefully it's got as dark as it fucking needs to be!
Next year will surely be worse as it's the start of the rebuild and people have to stop comparing to arsenal! Arsenal were nowhere near in the state man utd are, we haven't even got a decent stadium and training facilities
Or players wasted so much money on players who wouldn't get in the teams above us
Just maybe ineos believe in ten Hag and understand what his plan is
I’d be more worried if they kept ten hag on if I’m being honest
People are completely hysterical this season. It's been a very poor season (despite FA cup final), but it's the final one under shit ownership. Calm down and let things take their time.
Sir Rat and the Idiots are no diffetent to the Glazzers.
Evidence?
Joe Smith is the voice of reason on this channel, always taking an intelligent look at things instead of giving into the emotional reaction like many of the others. Cheers Joe!
People always downplay Ronaldo brown. He’s the most authentic person on the podcast
Your skits have given me nothing but a negative opinion of Manscaped. I'm aware of their products but I'll never convert that to a sale because these ads are just too annoying.
Ten Hag is safe
Hope not
This is so easy
Sell Greenwood
Sancho
That’s 100 million
Sell Cas and CLV to get them off the wage books
Let Donny, Eriksen and Evan’s leave for free
Try sell Antony but keep him if not
Get the full backs fit
Sign a Striker
Another winger
Another CDM
Another CB
Keep Amrabat he wants to stay
And keep EtH one more season
Don’t fuck off everywhere round the fucking world randomly
So easy 😂
Most people sadly through Ole was crap by the end of his time. EVERYONE thought Rangnick was woeful!! Well for the ETH inners, this season is WORSE than that season!! Worse than crap Ole and crap Rangnick!! so why on earth would we keep this muppet?
Mourinho should never have been Utd manager & he proved that when he finally got the job. Fergie and me were 2 of the 2/10.
Fergie's on tape saying Jose should be in the future. But then he also said Moyes was fit to do it too. And that we should get Ronaldo back.
But yeah, Mourinho shouldn't be back.
@@XboneMalone Fergie had the ability to pick his replacement. He ignored Mourinho. It was leaked in the following years that although Fergie played nice with him, he considered him a 'frienemy' & never really liked him or considered him to be a Utd manager.
We need Roy and Gary as managers for us
Jay needs to stop interrupting and talking over peoples opinions disguising then as his own.
Get rid of the players not the man who wants to win his way too many there just for money
So in others words they will buy into Erik's sob stories then. Joe is just as pro as Marcel from Utd View
Jose wasn't justifiable
Van Gaal had to be sacked because of the boring football
Hes getting sacked come next monday.
Ronaldo's takes seem contrarian for the sake of being contrarian
I think he genuinely believes in what he says. But he does seem to gloss over pertinent points to the contrary.
First
Joe is so daft. Many wud be sad to see Varane leave. Honestly, so out of touch with reality.
Earns loads of money and can’t stay fit. Sayonara
@@danielberry4765there's a long list of them.
Ronaldo talks too much man
Man🤣
Back the manager
Give ten Haag more time
When i see Ronaldo Brown & Joe McGrath on the podcast i give it a miss. sorry guys you need to up your game!
They won’t sleep tonight
Ole was wronged
Really have to disagree about Bruno, I dont see it, he's good and has had spells of being great but he's made out to be a god, he wouldnt get in the 99 or 08 team not having that. He's wastefull and petulant alot of the time. His work rate can't be questioned but the end product doesn't justify the praise he gets.
He’d definitely get in the 08 team. The 99 team maybe not because it was 442. Bruno is sensational.
Would the club be this bad if we got Qatar in?
Yes
@@AshfaqA11 . Really???
Well the debt would have been cleared. Apart from that, the roof would still leak, we'd still have the same squad. Everything else is complete conjecture.
@@XboneMalone . Do QATAR not have more money than GOD ? Look what they did for the world Cup
@@stephenmcguire8545 and since the Glazers have owned us they've spent money. Having money doesn't equate to success long or short term...