Is this really Bloodlines 2?
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2023
- My thoughts on Bloodlines 2 after the reveal of The Chinese Room incarnation of the game. Clickbait title? Absolutely. We are all having fun here.
All my opinions are my own, no matter how bad they are. If I am wrong, please correct me in the comments. - Hry
Honestly, a VTM CRPG sounds amazing. Especially after how real BG3 made their world and characters feel. I would love to see something like that for VTM. It wouldn't even have to be quite so involved, just a chance to properly play in the world with the extensive options that CRPGs tend to bring.
I look forward to seeing both your games in the future. I adore VTM, and really wish we saw more from it overall.
Look up vtm: redemption
They already did that with Redemption in 2000.
simply on a narrative level going from thin-blood to whatever gen you can fit down your gullet is a far better than an elder suddenly being reduced to borderline nothing, which it will have to be purely based on gameplay. in fact, i don't think a video game in this format (or the format we expect at least) can even facilitate being an elder. elder's don't go around punching people unless things have gotten _really_ bad (or they have gotten _really_ bored i guess).
they should also absolutely re-release the wan kuei as a separate splat. they are similar to vampires, sure, but they are frankly _far_ more interesting.
I find myself disappointed upon learning about the new direction that The Chinese Room is taking with Bloodlines 2. It appears that the distinctive essence that made the original Bloodlines game is slipping away with the decision to eliminate character creation. Instead, providing a predetermined main character with a set backstory that the player can somewhat choice. While the concept of allowing players to influence the character's backstory isn't inherently flawed. It seems unsuitable for a VTM Bloodlines game, where the richness of character creation was part of the allure.
Moreover, recent revelations about the game have heightened my concerns. The dialog options presented so far seem to lack the depth and variety that defined the original Bloodlines experience. Rather than offering meaningful and divergent paths, the choices appear to boil down to different tones of response in the dialog. This absence of "true" branching narratives and consequential decision-making. Which were integral elements in games like Bloodlines. Just makes it feel like it loses somthing of what made the original special.
Another aspect that diminishes the excitement I once had for game is the main character. Being an elder with a thin-blood character haunting their head. This element feels like a ripoff to the plot of Cyberpunk 2077. Where the main character grapples with another character residing in their head, influencing their choices. A similarity, rather than enhancing the game, contributes to a sense of unoriginality.
As a result of these developments, my initial excitement for Bloodlines 2 has waned significantly. I am now hesitant to consider purchasing it. Unless subsequent announcements or demonstrations manage to rekindle my enthusiasm. It's disheartening. I was genuinely looking forward to the game when it was first announced.
the combat looks to me like it's a very, very basic first person combat system like you would find in a bethesda game and all the powers being various pre-scripted animations thrown into that.
The first bloodlines also wasn’t exactly known for good combat. I can overlook it as long as the story and dialogue turn out to be good.🫠
I had this preordered on Steam a long time ago, but requested a refund when Cyberpunk came out. I'm glad that I had, because Cyberpunk has given me a lot of entertainment, compared to just... waiting
Chinese room only done few walking simulators and even those are really bad.
afaik this is a completely different crew under the same name. no idea why it was done that way.
I'm concerned about two things: characters and writing.
In the original "Danke Schoen" trailer we got so many interesting vampires representing the clans. That Malk with the Christmas family, the beautiful Toreador woman and the Tremere in the club. Just seeing them made me want to meet them and see what their story was. The character designs in the new trailer are...fine, but they don't scream original to me. You have a pretty lady looking mysterious, another pretty lady at the end, annnnd a Nozzie grinning at us. Ok, how do these people act? Are they all going to be dramatic vampires like in Anne Rice? That's not really what VtM is...I mean it can be if you want it to be, but come on. Vampires are people too. They're just...older and more monsterous. Give us some charm. Give us some BITE!
Also, we need to be told who is writing this thing. That REALLY matters in a game where the leader is called the f@#$ing Storyteller lol.
It's a first release trailer.
It is nice to have someone competent and who keeps the record of vtmb2 development to put things together. Спасибо!
I'd realy liked them bringing Mitsoda and Avelon back, it's really sad that's not gonna happen
They could pick up Avellone for cheap considering he's free of his charges and probably not getting a lot of work yet. He's my favorite writer in video games and would make this a day one for me even if the game sucked, ha ha.
To be fair, we don't know exactly where they are in the development phase.
This trailer could have very well be rushed, because, well, it has been over FOUR friggin years, lol.
They probably just wanted to get it out there at this point that, "Hey, this is still a thing that exists."
As far as I can tell, that song in the new trailer I don't think is an actual licensed song outside of this game trailer itself (I've looked and found nothing).
Probably called "Midnight."
The previous (now defunct) trailer from the previous Developers had a Malkavian (post mass murder) dancing to the song "Danke Scheon" by Wayne Newton.
As far as continuity within the ingame-verse with the original Bloodlines game, there is at least a returning character or two.
Damsel has been shown returning in one of the trailers.
Which isn't terribly surprising.
Hyper anarchy hyped Brujah girl goes to Seattle, in a time of mass anarchy (even IRL)?
That tracks.
I just found your video. Very thorough breakdown. I'm so glad they finally realized that the setting is fun to play as an elder.
I think making the player character an elder was an inspired choice. It will plug the player into the pipeline of vampire politics in a way that gives the player agency and potency, and justifying having these amazing vampire powers by being an elder won't be narrative breaking since young vampires are not going to have access to those Disciplines beyond a certain basic level. I'm cautiously optimistic. But I also don't have any reason to believe The Chinese Room has the chops to make such an in-depth RPG, that's what really makes me nervous. I hope this is a fantastic debut for them in the genre.
I half agree, I would still liked to of been a thin blood, with the chance of diablerising a specific clan member to gain full blooded status
i think it is an awful choice. not because it wouldn't make for a wonderful game, but because i don't think that is going to fit into the game they are probably going to make. at all. since when does an elder play errand boy? okay, maybe an elder brujah, ravnos, or gangral would be willing to go out and get their hands dirty, but on someone else's behalf? and what about a ventrue? most of the clans work behind the scenes at even low levels, an elder would never deign to get involved in person unless things have gone unimaginably wrong. the fun of an elder game isn't the combat, it is the broad political machinations, the fact that you can just send someone to the abyss is nothing more than hard leverage to a powerful elder. not that i am against the idea of an RPG (masquerade especially) having a style altogether different to the rest of the industry at large, i just don't expect it to happen.
either the story has to be _really_ out there, and i am talking the nephandi have gotten together to do some wild shit or something and vampires are getting dragged in, or i just don't think an elder would get as engaged as an RPG protagonist usually does.
@@comyuse9103 Well judging from the recent news on this game it isn't looking good.
The high punches aren't actually that weird if you're familiar with some martial arts. In boxing and other sports, you are taught to hunch and protect your head with your arms and shoulders. Not sure if that is executed well on a technical level but the arms would be exactly at eye-level if you do that kind of punching. Just tested this myself in front of a mirror. Though of course you would see more of your body in first person and like this the arms seem disembodied. And admittedly, the arms are still a bit high.
No way I'm going to support this thing. This is nothing like Bloodlines.
is there a way to get the paradox people to get the legasy version back on track and just have them make that one as well ? i would love to play that one it looks way more intresting and actually rpg then this new version . that one looks more then a action browler
I'm really disappointed Gangrel won't be in the game, that was my favorite clan in Bloodlines goddamn it.
Hold up, the o.g build didn't have gangrel? Weird
I feel like you have a skewed idea of what Seattle looks like from street level. A simple google street view disproves your notion there aren't tons of flat looking square areas, we'd need some set landmarks, where you can tell the gradient difference IRL, to make an actual judgement, rather than mostly generic poor parts of the city. Its more in areas with a gradient change it becomes noticeable in any hilly city. Not saying there aren't a lot of places with a noticeable gradient changes.
Playing as an elder is a ridiculous idea. I was expecting a thin-blood or at the very least another clan fledgling...
Before Oct. 31 I was kind of Hyped after Oct. 31 lets just say that Hype hit the street and a car ran over it & what is worst is What I know about this Game and Going Can we call this anything else except Bloodlines 2 there should not even be a Bloodlines Legacy. Bloodlines shouldn't even be the Title of the Game. VTM: Seattle or VTM: Awakened but not Bloodlines. Your an Elder (Ok) & you have Johnny Silverhand in your head. No! I mean you have Fabian in your Head. Who is Fabian a Thin blood that shares your body same way Johnny did but you don't see him (You hear him a lot) and having a very bad week not bad for a Elder Vampire Named Phyre that looks like a 1990 punk kid and awaking up from 100 years nap. They shouldn't even know what that is. I'm so Glad that The Chinese Room played Cyberpunk 2077 and thought that was a Great idea for Bloodlines 2. This is why the Other version as bad as it was is better.
So, I am extremely excited about B2. However, I can't get over this first person view, I spend a little bit of time in first person, but playing a vampire in first person just destroys everything I want to see in the a game like this right? I want to see my character creeping up on people and I want to see the clothing I choose and hair cuts and builds I spend more time on at character creation then I should. The point is that this game is feeling like a dark version of cyberpunk as a vampire. If I wanted to play what basically feels like a shooter game, I'd play COD or something more fast-paced.I realize the game has a year, but im pretty sure it's just first person and a few seconds where you see your character and I think that's gonna ruin thos game for many. I'm not waiting for mods, that's just dumb.
Sorry don't get your hopes up. You see your Character every time you talk to someone but so far the action is First person. As for who your playing & what is the story there a Reason this guy has not update about the News 3 Days ago.
cry more, the games going to be garbage in every other way no matter what perspective its played from, they can never make a game bloodlines these days without neutering and censoring it.
@@mpo48 That is why we have indie Developers,
@@mattstansbeary3068 why do you brainless drones keep telling me about indie devs whenever i say something is bad? here's some news for you. indie devs are just as bad if not worse than triple a devs. its not going to be better it never will be, every single indie game on steam right now is an early access cash grab or something that promises too much and delivers nothing, or is being worked on by devs who have delusions of grandeur. its sickening. indie devs are not going to save gaming.
Oblivion with vampires. The combat looks worsre then the first bloodlines . Hell, at this point I would be happy with a crpg akin to the first vtm game….
Thanks for the break down and information. I think playing as an elder as opposed to a fledgling is a nice change of pace. Found your channel through this video you do good work.
Thank you. That means a lot to me.
I had heard of the original game, only got into it after 2 was announced back a few years ago, ive watched some people play the game but cant play myself, im definitely playing Malk first
never play malk first..lol
@ejc2064 I know the age old advice, I shall choose to ignore this
No. It's a cheap, nostalgia -exploiting FPS cashgrab
Send them your video so they'll hire you!
Believe me, I've been trying to get their attention for a while now. I really appreciate your support!
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Bloodlines 1 was flat too. This isn't a shocker.
bloodlines 1 is also _very_ old and lower budget
20 plus yrs later & they've improved nothing. Wow nice one.