Refuting the "Sexual Prosperity Gospel" W/ Jason Evert
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 22. 08. 2024
- I talk with Jason about the idea that God will instantly reward you with a perfect marriage if you practice chastity.
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Jason drops truthbombs as usual! The overspiritualized part is spot on.
Agreed. I dated a Catholic man once who was a good guy but we had barely anything in common apart from both of us being Catholic. Him being Catholic is what drew me to him in the first place, but as time went on I began to notice that he would point out that he liked me because I was a good girlfriend and from a Catholic family, and he wouldn't give me any other real reasons. I also realized that we were incompatible in more than one way. The person being Catholic is a good standard but it shouldn't be your only standard. I also agree about allowing your family and friends to help you in your discernment. They oftentimes know you and what you need better than you yourself do. They can also see better than you can if the relationship is becoming toxic, since you more than likely have those rose-colored lenses on. Bottom line is, if the person identifies as Catholic, etc., and checks some boxes on your checklist, that still doesn't mean they are the one for you.
This Puritanical view on sex is what I was brought up on and itâs so damaging. Still recovering but thanks be to God Iâm Catholic now. This Puritanical view was the most obnoxious thing about growing up Evangelical and gave me so much confusion and prevented me from getting much needed advice. Thanks be to God for the Catholic Church
I'm not Catholic but I agree that abstinence education is very important. Anyone who is a Christian must acknowledge that the Bible clearly states in numerous places that sex outside of marriage between one man and one woman is destructive. It ALWAYS leads to consequences, some life altering. Don't pay attention to anyone who says otherwise. The cultural narrative is truly harmful.
True but the Puritanical view on sex is just as damaging although itâs more rampant in Evangelical churches than I Catholic ones. Thatâs why so many young people are mad at Joshua Harris and other promoters of this bs. It creates the same problem because it prevents young people from receiving sound advice on the topic when theyâre told âJust donât have sexy and wait upon the Lord to drop your spouse through the roof if you truly seek God firstâ. All it does is lead to sexually frustrated youth who end up having premarital sex anyway. Back in the good old days (before the baby boomers took over) people married young. We need to focus more on giving young people sound advice on seeking marriage and preparing them for it (unless they wish to be celibate of course) than we do on abstinence even though both are important. Thatâs what so many churches run by baby boomer pastors/priests get wrong
I think ya got it the other way around. I think he was saying abstinence is the push by Protestants, where the Church has a holistic focus on chastity... (only way I can make sense of some of the less sane evangelican examples.) Not that the destinction ever stuck with me.
The world needs to open their hearts to this message
Amen
People hate the Sexual Prosperity Gospel because it's backed up by science, the saints, etc.!
The fallout from the so-called "sexual prosperity gospel" is incalcuable. Josh and Shannon Harris are among its victims, because he should never have been promoted as a relationship guru as a 21 year old single guy. It was a disastrous, failed experiment.
And all of his *human* advice was promoted as God's word and will for people's love lives instead of his own opinion.
You got that right
I admit, one big reason I'm still single is because I get overwhelmed by all of the factors involved in whether or not a relationship I get into will be a good one or a miserable one in the long run. I can't know or control all of the factors and have no idea how things will turn out, so it can be paralyzing.
Same here bro. Iâm a recovering former Evangelical who was brought up on this garbage too. One thing I learned recently is donât trust any dating advice you get from a baby boomer. Thanks be to God I got confirmed in the Catholic Church 3 months ago and Iâm finally beginning to receive the sound advice Iâve been seeking for over 10 years
MaryRita Gies yes, and if you open your life and heart to God fully, you might discover a vocation to marry...God Himself. Priests, monks and nuns are married to God,as well as single saints like Saint Gemma Galgani, Saint AngĂšle
I know it's difficult to put this into practice, but don't worry about whether it's going to work out or not. Just go out there and try it! If you like a girl, try and get to know her, and try and date her if she also likes you and says yes to the date. What's important is to keep yourself and your emotions under control at first, on a leash if you will, so that you don't become too emotionally attached too quickly. I would also recommend strongly to save the first kiss until later in the relationship, so that you can get to know each other a bit first. Don't freak out if the first date or the first couple of dates end in a rejection, it's not the end of the world and there are other girls out there, don't take it personally also, we are not meant to be with everyone; that doesn't mean we are less of a person if somebody doesn't like us for who we are. And yes breakups can be painful, however that pain heals with time, even if it really hurts a lot, the pain is going to go away eventually if you are patient and trusting in God. I know this firsthand, I dated someone for a long time, then was heartbroken for a long time, but now I don't feel that way anymore. I understand that things are different for men but from my perspective, I like when a man is confident and will ask the girl out, don't be worried about what may or may not happen, if the girl seems decent I don't think it can go too much wrong as long as you're careful with your heart.
Amen. Excellent discussion. đ
Heartening that there is serious thought given to chastity before marriage. Prosperity comes through the grace of God yet it is also the natural outcome of a sound, clean and prayerful married life.
Chastity is the Strategy, Abstinence is a Tactic.
Thank you for what you are doing.
Great Talk and work for the teensđâĄ
Why am i watching this? I donât believe in god lmao. Definitely an interesting video.
Asf69 look at Aquinasâs 5 ways
You're very welcome here! Glad you found it interesting, Matt Fradd is awesome
Welcome friend
CHAZER 2222 was familiar with it before, did some more research, doesnât convince me.
Lluvia Lara haha glad to be here I guess
The idea that âNFP is very difficultâ betrays that people are using it as contraception. Just because there are no artificial barriers doesnât mean you donât have a contraceptive mindset; only using the method to try and avoid pregnancy is an abuse of your wife, and if you donât want kids you shouldnât have gotten married in the first place. Is that too harsh? I have so many DINK friends who donât want kids and are always contracepting, and a few friends who want a bigger family and even with NFP are still having difficulty conceiving⊠why is everyone so eager to abuse sexuality?
Excellent job
I plan to be a Lutheran pastor and I met my girlfriend who I plan to marry in Bible school. Early on we struggled with premarital sex but as of late it has been better. I live with a lot of shame and fear that God will not welcome me into His kingdom or that He will take away my call to be a pastor for His people. I desperately want to seek Christ and a life that honours Him but the lust I struggle with is so tough. Pray for me my brothers and sisters.
How does fighting against the comprehensive Sex Ed Curriculum fight for abstinence? How does chastity talk fight against sexual immorality? Iâm not an expert on these issues but I feel like if people grow up believing that there is a certain defect about themselves by âsinningâ in these ways then itâs not really the Holy Spirit communicating to each believer but just shame from the church. I think a lot of people act out because of shame and in the end it does more harm than good for believers. Iâm glad he made a point though about women associating sexuality as bad all up until marriage. I think thatâs a really big issue that the church can work on. Also correct me if Iâm wrong in any of these points, Iâm just putting my thoughts out there.
The idea that our sexuality is good is something Jason was expressing in the video, and is the teaching of the Catholic Church. And while people should not necessarily be ashamed of their sexuality, it's a simple fact of life that we do have things to be ashamed of. One of the great truths of the garden of Eden story is that Adam and Eve were "naked yet unashamed," before sin entered the world. Once they did sin, the very first thing they did was try to "cover themselves" and hide who they really were. We don't just feel shame because of societal judgment, but more often because of our own personal judgment; the fact that there are parts about ourselves we don't want others to know. The beauty of marriage is that it is still possible for us to be "naked yet unashamed" with another human being. That's something that gets taken for granted in our modern world. We think the natural state of things is that we would all be unashamed to share our entire self with everyone if not for the Church shoving marriage and chastity down our throats. The truth is that the natural state of our world is for us to all be too ashamed to share our entire self with anyone, yet marriage and chastity make that possible.
4:50 "Study after study after study" got any sources for that?
It was already said, but we are always looking for a good spouse, but seeking to be a good spouse.
God, myself, and another human being works great not just for recovery but in all my decisions.
Great channel, great chat, but MAN those mugs make me cringe
Anyone have the source for Jason's claim that practicing Christians who saved sex for marriage have the most sexual satisfaction?
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What does he mean by comprehensive sex ed? Teaching the necessary entirety of sexual biology should be essential. As well as educating people on the reality of birth control and its shortcomings and side effects. Some of these evangelicals are puritan in nature and in fact don't go into sex education and opt to tell kids "dont do it" and try and scare them.
Dr. Dobson was a medical Doctor so maybe his knowledge of biology was more practical.
Jason your ma men
NFP? ..
I refute the whole silly book, not just one idiotic part of it.
Wait so, If I have pictures of my girlfriend on my phone, it's not chastity???
Kurffy i think he was referring to impure photos
@@KingofNY12345 Oh okay
Kurffy He definitely meant nudes or something along that line.
@@AN-cr9cy It could also be a "clean" photo ... but one that leads him into sin.
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Its witchcraft impure and simple.
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@@timsharpe6652 what are you questioning?
@@country_boy7475 you said it was witchcraft. How so?
@@timsharpe6652 do you know anything m a te?