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No, not at all. A guy made a great analogy with EVs. He said EVs are like compact fluorescent light bulbs before LED light bulbs. They are an in-between technology before we get something better including e-fuels or carbon recycled fuels, making every ICE engine clean burning by cleaning the fuel. EVs and all the impracticability, danger, and environmental hazards that come with them are definitely not worth the investment. Just saw a video today of a man who was cooked by an E-bike battery in the elevator. Again, EVs are not worth the investment.
Question democratic push this product to the market to soon. In the next few years it will cost a lot to own a car 🚗 or it will be hard to get insurance. If I'm insurance agency why would I want to insure a 70 thousand dollars ev , that's like buying 🤔 a house. And houses don't go for that no more.
they won't stop insuring them because they have "orders" not to. Instead they will rise the price for all drivers thus offloading the costs on the ice drivers.
You have to remember the EV market isn't based on Free Market Rules. Its a literal part of a Political Agenda that's already burned Billions & they keep investing Billions more. If the Automobile Industry were functioning in a Free Market they wouldn't even be manufacturing many of these things but the EPA thats been a boot on the Auto Industries Neck forces them to do things they normally wouldn't. For example how does the Auto Industry deal with a 2030 50mpg Mandate? Mandates like this don't apply to EVs. The worst part is the Federal Government will turn around & blame the corporations after they've limited what they can & can't manufacture.
@@frankcarbalan9572 this is a correct statement…incineration is not an option.but included as standard EV equipment…Note crash test have shown Hyundai I35 H2 incineration was not even a listed mfr. option, and I would not have driven one with such feature. Life is too short for such road basejump exercise…for a fully free burial type option and attempt….MB seals battery pack into a 120 kgs alu armoured box to hopefully have the time to extract the occupants on time. The only chance is escape then is to push out with both feet the windshield …I remember when F1 driver Michele Alboreto got his Testarossa fully squeezed btw two 40 tons trucks near Milano with the doors stucked by compression and got out pushing by the windshield but he was fit, not injured or suffocated by the toxic smoke of a burning lithium batterie underneath…and the car not a Chinese moving junk out of soft steel using cheaper press to be formed..
@Lottie-l7f It's a move in some up market cars of all types. My three EVs have old style interior pull handles. I would though suggest that the safety test groups, (Ncap, etc) would have something to say if it were a real problem.
Gonna hang on to your GTI's eh? I don't think you own even one...LOL Audi's as a brand are not all created equal...some really SUCK...you might own one of those...maybe.
@@martinaston1715I would like to see a study comparing ice vehicles of the same age, considering the average age of ev’s is 2 and ice 9, or at least a graph showing the age of vehicles when they combusted. Age would certainly affect the chances of a vehicle catching fire.
What if I tell you you also have multiple devices with batteries in your house that you charge everyday and overnight while nobody is watching over them 😧 Your phone, tablet, computer, headphones, lamps, powerbanks. They are extremely dangerous! Crazy world we live in right? I would throw them away just to be safe if I were you. Get that stuff out of your house as fast as possible 🚨⚠️‼️
Most call outs for house fires where I live (UK) are for electric toasters, burnt toast and other kitchen fires! Get rid of your kitchen grill immediately.
@@nathansmith7153 I don't own an ev and don't want one. It just seems I've an increase of car fires during the morning news lately and it made me a little curious that's all. So now it seems I'm not the only one to notice.
Actually yes he's right. Here's the twist. EV fires are measured per kilometer. Not number of cars. The numbers make it look like they catch fire less when they are really more dangerous than ICE. MSM is hiding these numbers. Why? I don't know🤷🏿♂️
what happens if you crash an EV. Electric vehicles that sustain minor accidents are being kept 15 meters apart in repair garages over fears that they may explode, meaning just two damaged electric cars are taking the same space as 100 petrol or diesel cars, under current DVLA and Transport Department guidelines.
American is just not ready for EV cars. Lithium batteries are subject to change as it gets colder. What are we thinking. We need to take a breath and really look at the pollution it takes just to make a battery. I am a sincere no thanks to EV
Lithium batteries catch fire even when they are old and dead! My husband works at a recycle place and the old, dead lithium batteries people bring in to dispose of often catch fire and then they have to call the fire department to put them out.
No I do not think current EVs with lithium ion batteries are worth the investment and looking at all this how can people still justify these EVs as being safe for the environment even without factoring in the manufacturing process of the batteries themselves. A guy made a great analogy with EVs. He said EVs are like compact fluorescent light bulbs before LED light bulbs. They are an in-between technology before we get something better including solid state batteries, carbon ion batteries or even e-fuels or carbon recycled fuels, making every ICE engine clean burning by cleaning the fuel. EVs and all the impracticability, danger, and environmental hazards that come with them are definitely not worth the investment. Just saw a video today of a man in China who was cooked by an lithium ion E-bike battery in the elevator. Lithium ion EVs are definitely not worth the investment.
@@heth91 We have to start somewhere. Think about all the tax money that was wasted in EVs. If that was invested in E-fuels we would have been in a better situation right now. Big oil would have a true competitor and competition is always good for the consumer in addition to actually being better for the environment and our electric grids all around. But this would take true political leadership which I don't see from the current US administration and it will take more citizens who are not asleep at the wheel.
@@malcolmarFor a lot of people EVs are the perfect solution. For everybody that is commuting everyday from home to work and back for example and can charge at home or work. No gas stops anymore, plug and play and driving at a fraction of the price. I dont get why so many people hate EVs. Obviously if you drive miles on miles everyday like 500+ I would also want to have an ICE car but if you dont drive far often EVs are perfect.
@@heth91 I am not hating on EVs per se because I do think they work for some people. I hate forcing people to buy EVs and I hate the lies. People should have the choice on whether or not they buy an EV and people need to stop lying about how environmentally friendly and safe EVs with lithium ion batteries are because they are not environmentally friendly and they are not safe. As I posted early, solid state EV batteries look to be a better solution as well as carbon ion batteries which do not rely so much on rare earth elements and are not as dangerous and explosive as lithium ion batteries in general and especially when exposed to salt water. If governments and politicians are not supporting more development in these technologies then you know they don't care about the environment and only care about the money they get from the country that is the major supplier of the rare earth elements for lithium ion batteries. If they really cared about the environment they would be supporting companies like Carbon Engineering which has worked more than 12 years developing a technology that recycles CO2 right out of the air to make clean burning fuel for every internal combustion engine vehicle including planes with little to no modification thus making all ICE vehicles clean vehicles. If you don't believe me, look theses things up yourself and spread the word. We have a better chance of actually protecting this planet we call home and its people when we actually see what is happening around us.
I recently purchased a lithium battery on line for a Samsung Galaxy 4 tablet. It came without instructions or documentation. I opened the packaging whereupon it burst into flame. Fortunately no property damage done and very much smaller than a car battery but I think this shows how risky this technology is.
life expectancy of an ev battery 10 years and maybe more ,,,but less , depending on factors Like maybe if you dare to use your car ! Yes , ev owners are amongst the bravest of the brave ...ps forgot to mention ...EV'S are going up in flames all over the place !
No,EV owners are not the bravest of the brave,they are the most foolish,I’ve been saying all along that this would happen,EVs are a dead duck,the EV industry is dead they are far too dangerous,they are like a mobile crematorium and if you are still thinking about buying one then you are an even bigger fool.
Green transport ??!?!?!?! What is so enviromentally friendly with the main battle gas used during WW I fosgen !!!????? Because that is what battery fires emanate !!! IT IS LETHAL !!!
All it would take for people to wake up is the inevitable car fire in LA gridlock. The cascading fires I picture in my head have me pining for a rural cottage in Northern Michigan.
7 reasons that the cybertruck is shit 1… made by Tesla.m2 electric. 3 no range,4 shit offvroad, 5… shit on road,6 can't tow, 7 looks like an autistic kids sketch. 8. Fire risk, 9. Weight and shape deadly to other road users.10. Looks stupid. 11. Not raccoon proof. 12. Mistaken for urinal..
Thermal runaway is when the battery is hot enough that the water molecules in the electrolyte dissociate into oxygen and hydrogen to supply the oxygen for the fire. At that point, the fire cannot be extinguished. Dumping enough water on the battery might cool it to the point that the fire does not spread, but the battery will be consumed. Lithium batteries burn, because the battery is recharged by forcing lithium atoms back on to the electrode. The atoms preferentially go where the electrode is rough and the roughness increases with each cycle. Eventually, an internal short develops and the battery can fail catastrophically. Good quality control can delay this and some cells fail as an open circuit in the discharge cycle, but internal shorts are usually inevitable. The energy density of the lithium cell is high enough that an internal short can cause a fire. Lead acid cells can also fail during recharge for the exact same reason, but the energy density is not enough to start a fire. All that the driver will notice is that the starter cannot crank the engine and there is a bulge on the battery case (it happened to me). The solution is a cell chemistry that does not store the energy in the electrodes. Recombinant cross flow cells store energy in two electrolytes and discharge by passing ions across a semipermeable membrane, from one electrolyte to the other.
How are insurance companies dealing with this? If an EV causes damage to other vehicles the companies are going to be paying out more in the long run. That's going to push prices up.
They need a flat pan like SpaceX uses under their rockets to spray that fire. But, it’s a chemical fire. Until it burns out all you can hope to do is thin/dilute the chemicals until they can’t burn anymore.
The damaging consequences to infrastructure, other vehicles & the environment from an EV fire are dramatically higher than for a comparable combustion engine vehicle. Furthermore, insurers are now "loading up" the premiums for non-EV vehicles to dilute the insurers' liabilities from EV claims.
What about e bikes & e scooters? as these are mere toys compared to EVs but they are also catching fire in the same way but have not been mentioned here at all.
Your percentage of cars that have caught fire is very misleading. There are a lot more ICE cars in the world than EV.s so the percentage is way out. There are bound to be more fires in the greater count, its only logical.
@@Pantha51 I have been driving for over 50 years and I have never had one car catch on fire. I just wonder why anyone would buy an electric car. They put the cart before the horse on this one. 🤷🏻♂️
Nothing is misleading since most ICE vehicle fires are on cars over 10 years old where preventive mandatory exchange of flexible fuel lines has not been done per mfr recommendations or are not armoured and protected enough and victims of roden damages. In fact properly maintained diesel and CNG vehicles are the safest, followed by gasoline and finally Ev and LPG/GPL…yet with big differences so that the safest gasoline car can be less ignitable than the worst diesel with a common rail fuel vaporising leak,,etc..Electric cars fires are mainly due to poor BMS (Batt. Mgt. Syst.) unfit to adapt down the peak currents to battery ageing and change of impedance due to the irreversible migration of Li ions to porous plates surface and plugging them..and fire incidents can occur on recent 3-7 years old Electric Vehicles already while recharging and after few hours at 2 or 3 A.M…Considering the % of car population respective age, incident rate and magnitude of damage, ( a Lithium, Magnesium or Sodium fire cannot be stopped till the entire product combustion is over, and using water represents a severe electric shock hazards…Fire brigades can bring sausages and mash mallow, roast them and wait the end of the fire…) the EV third party liability and fire damage premium should more specifically pay the related EV caused damages and reflects these risks better : a ferry destruction being covered by the boat coverage and other goods transport insurances, so that no good preventive measures are taken while some EV may represent more of a danger than one with an heavy and safe armoured battery pack , MB type etc..a discharged one less risk than a fully charged one, etc…
Eevee's come with less maintenance but overheating batteries could cause a problem. But petrol engines come with more problems and maintenance charges and this is why car dealership people are complaining about evs they're not making any money off maintenance chargers
You can bet that the statistics for those EV fires have been skewed. There are always ways to "adjust" statistical numbers.... Li-Ion batteries burn, period. Not all of them. Some of them. And when they do, so much for the "green new car", because the toxicity of those batteries when burning is 100X worse than a ICE vehicle.
No, they haven't. Verified EV fires caused by the traction battery Has been recorded at 400 worldwide for nearly 50 million EVs globally. It cant get much simpler than that, this is peer reviewed data, and although yes EV fires can have what is called thermal runaway; most of the time (nearly always) you can put out an EV fire with a few extinguishers. But anyway; that doesn't matter; a fire in a car nearly always is a write off. So if the car breaks down less, gets caught on fire less, is more reliable, runs cheaper, is better for the Environment, is cheaper to maintain, and is more convenient for daily use, AND is cheaper after 4 years than a combustion car? Why get a combustion car. I have both. But I will never get a combustion car again. They are worse in every way now. (And before range gets mentioned, I do 16000 miles a year and don't have much of a problem at all). Ask anyone that has genuine experience with driving an EV and they'll tell you that.
Lithium Ion batteries have been causing fires for 40 years and have killed many. Lithium Ion fires in EV's make all car parks obsolete as the structures are not designed to withstand 2000 degrees C and this will likely cause structural damage. They are nearly impossible to extinguish and may re-ignite and can occur at any time. The worrying thing is that many are not very old while ICE cars are normally old when they catch fire and often the fuel is not involved and the fires are electrical in origin.
These would typically be recalled due to safety, but due to the political push for EV's this is simply ignored. This is not the only issue people have been lied to about, and nowhere near the biggest.
What may help is a clawed projectile, sort of like a Bazooka, that can fire a "grabber" into a flaming EV in a basement carpark and have a reel that can pull the vehicle free of the building to minimise structural damage to the building [remember the twin towers fires]. A basement fire could spread to other items cars etc , and possible destabilise a building.
If people want to buy an electric vehicle they should be given the choice to do so but if they would rather buy a combustion engine new they also should be given the choice not dictated to by the Government what they can and can't drive and this is why I have no faith in whatever Government is in power because what right have they got to tell what we can and can't drive who do they think they are and this net zero by 2030 is ridiculous because at least in the UK the infrastructure is not in place and of course electric vehicle fires is just another reason why I wouldn't buy an electric vehicle because there is a lot of others
It's more likely for a combustion engine to catch fire by a factor of 15 than an EV, you hear it in the news because people like reading it. No ones interested in something as commonplace as a combustion car being on fire. I agree with your statement, no one should be forced to buy an EV, I personally have both and prefer my EV for most things, it's just a better way of driving for me.
There is nothing to worry about buying an EV. A hybrid is the same thing just with a smaller battery. Maybe Hybrids are even worse because the battery and the fuel can ignite the car 😂 But who tf seriously thinks about fire safety when buying a car. Car fires are so rare who cares.
@@heth91 Hybrids and their plug-in counterparts are safer. With hybrid and plug-in hybrid cars, the fire risk is reduced greatly, since the Li-Ion battery packs are WAY smaller than the ones found in all the electric cars seen on the markets, and in use. We do not need more electric cars, we need more hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and more IC cars. AND the implementation/mass commercialization of biofuels and e-fuels.
@@user-oy8po9vj4l One thing I've read & heard of hybrid safety is to make cooling intake is kept clean & clear. Ford trucks apparently have a vulnerable guard underneath the cab. Prius has the intake alongside rear pass side seat. Hybrid tech is still a bugger of a threat to sustainable transportation.
Let’s use car fires from cars manufactured after 2008 when Tesla was introduced. Maybe a percentage of electric car fires vs ice cars of same manufacturer years?
It's been done. In terms of cars produced by manufacturer, Tesla has had less fires than any other major manufacturer that produces over 1 million cars per year. As of June 2023, only 198 Tesla's had ever caught fire. ICE cars are death traps. They just catch fire sitting in the driveway, doing nothing. Don't ever park next to an internal combustion engine car! They are so unsafe. /s
It's because they are not importing better made CATL LFP batteries from China due to now 100% tariff on Chinese EVs like BYD, which are way safer. Most incidents occur in US and Japanese EVs like GM, and sometimes Tesla but now Tesla is shifting towards LFP or safer batteries giving 3000 cycles to 80% , same as CATL.
The statistics comparing ICE car & EVs. Is this comparing same age vehicles? I only ask because arise EVs are relatively new forms of transport so age has not started to take effect! So statistics need to be for same age of vehicles to be accurate.
Instead of going for speed and having more ev engine in them draining the batteries even faster should stick to one ev engine per car. It has been said that every EV car put on the road removed one petrol truck Taking petrol cars off the road also you can you recycle the metal from these cars. So this is an opportunity for people to scrap and recycle petrol cars or convert these petrol cars into electric cars
Why don't they mention the fact that there are thousands of internal combustion vehicles for each of those worthless EVs so the figures are going to look good for the EVs.
The thing about comparing EV and ICE fire rates is that EVs have only been ‘mainstream’ for about two decades or so, whereas ICE vehicles on the road could be up to a hundred years old.
Which means they can make make make and when they have enough on the roads to and fro make recallable ones that will have a risk of igniting in that way they don't lose a lot you people will keep buying junk that is decorated
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Yes, you are wrong
No, not at all. A guy made a great analogy with EVs. He said EVs are like compact fluorescent light bulbs before LED light bulbs. They are an in-between technology before we get something better including e-fuels or carbon recycled fuels, making every ICE engine clean burning by cleaning the fuel. EVs and all the impracticability, danger, and environmental hazards that come with them are definitely not worth the investment. Just saw a video today of a man who was cooked by an E-bike battery in the elevator. Again, EVs are not worth the investment.
Question democratic push this product to the market to soon. In the next few years it will cost a lot to own a car 🚗 or it will be hard to get insurance.
If I'm insurance agency why would I want to insure a 70 thousand dollars ev , that's like buying 🤔 a house. And houses don't go for that no more.
Noooooo
He'll NO!!! Especially when you look behind the scenes all the mining for rare earth metals ,toxic by products and CHILD SLAVE LABOUR !!
The entire E.V. industry will collapse, when insurance companies stop insuring them.
I'll be ready with tacos and beer when the insurance companies tell EV owners to go F themselves.
they won't stop insuring them because they have "orders" not to. Instead they will rise the price for all drivers thus offloading the costs on the ice drivers.
You have to remember the EV market isn't based on Free Market Rules. Its a literal part of a Political Agenda that's already burned Billions & they keep investing Billions more. If the Automobile Industry were functioning in a Free Market they wouldn't even be manufacturing many of these things but the EPA thats been a boot on the Auto Industries Neck forces them to do things they normally wouldn't. For example how does the Auto Industry deal with a 2030 50mpg Mandate? Mandates like this don't apply to EVs. The worst part is the Federal Government will turn around & blame the corporations after they've limited what they can & can't manufacture.
As an active, trained and state-certified firefighter and experienced EMT, your video, although accurate and factual, left out one >>MAJOR
A problem that applies to ANY vehicle fire.
If ypur EGGERS software update you will be locked and no A/C will work . A woman was trapped in her Tesla while it updated its inboard software
@@frankcarbalan9572 this is a correct statement…incineration is not an option.but included as standard EV equipment…Note crash test have shown Hyundai I35 H2 incineration was not even a listed mfr. option, and I would not have driven one with such feature. Life is too short for such road basejump exercise…for a fully free burial type option and attempt….MB seals battery pack into a 120 kgs alu armoured box to hopefully have the time to extract the occupants on time. The only chance is escape then is to push out with both feet the windshield …I remember when F1 driver Michele Alboreto got his Testarossa fully squeezed btw two 40 tons trucks near Milano with the doors stucked by compression and got out pushing by the windshield but he was fit, not injured or suffocated by the toxic smoke of a burning lithium batterie underneath…and the car not a Chinese moving junk out of soft steel using cheaper press to be formed..
@Lottie-l7f It's a move in some up market cars of all types. My three EVs have old style interior pull handles. I would though suggest that the safety test groups, (Ncap, etc) would have something to say if it were a real problem.
Millions of Firefighters and their families will thank you for Not driving an EV
BUT when a EV fire happens it is cytostatic FIRE...
These cars should be parked farther apart or risk a field of them burning up .
I'll hang on to my 100% piston powered GTI's and AUGI's until I can no longer drive.
That'll be sooner than you'd think Einstein.
Gonna hang on to your GTI's eh? I don't think you own even one...LOL
Audi's as a brand are not all created equal...some really SUCK...you might own one of those...maybe.
@@markday5797 lol 😂 looks like someone's a little too fond of their horse and carriage, can't embrace change
Are EVs still zero emissions when they catch fire?
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They are extremely unsafe!
Mmmm 68 /100,000 fires combustion engine fires vs 3.8/ 100,000 EV maths says otherwise
@@martinaston1715I would like to see a study comparing ice vehicles of the same age, considering the average age of ev’s is 2 and ice 9, or at least a graph showing the age of vehicles when they combusted. Age would certainly affect the chances of a vehicle catching fire.
and have little or no second hand value
No one in their right mind would buy an EV.
That's the problem! Lots have no right mind.
a cadillac ev burst into flames at a grocery store near me in windsor ontario
You couldn't pay me enough to own a ev. I don't want to burn my own house down. They are extremely dangerous.
What if I tell you you also have multiple devices with batteries in your house that you charge everyday and overnight while nobody is watching over them 😧
Your phone, tablet, computer, headphones, lamps, powerbanks.
They are extremely dangerous!
Crazy world we live in right?
I would throw them away just to be safe if I were you. Get that stuff out of your house as fast as possible 🚨⚠️‼️
Me neither
Evs are garbage 👍
Most call outs for house fires where I live (UK) are for electric toasters, burnt toast and other kitchen fires! Get rid of your kitchen grill immediately.
I have noticed an incease of car fires in the news lately and wondered if the incease was due to ev's.
Why didn't you do some research?
@@nathansmith7153 I don't own an ev and don't want one. It just seems I've an increase of car fires during the morning news lately and it made me a little curious that's all. So now it seems I'm not the only one to notice.
Ya you’re not imagining things, they are going up in flames. Ev=dumpster 🔥
@@SkellyCAperhaps you get your news from Murdock.
Actually yes he's right.
Here's the twist. EV fires are measured per kilometer. Not number of cars. The numbers make it look like they catch fire less when they are really more dangerous than ICE.
MSM is hiding these numbers. Why? I don't know🤷🏿♂️
Or just don't buy EVs.
Problem solved
what happens if you crash an EV.
Electric vehicles that sustain minor accidents are being kept 15 meters apart in repair garages over fears that they may explode, meaning just two damaged electric cars are taking the same space as 100 petrol or diesel cars, under current DVLA and Transport Department guidelines.
American is just not ready for EV cars. Lithium batteries are subject to change as it gets colder. What are we thinking.
We need to take a breath and really look at the pollution it takes just to make a battery.
I am a sincere no thanks to EV
Lithium batteries catch fire even when they are old and dead! My husband works at a recycle place and the old, dead lithium batteries people bring in to dispose of often catch fire and then they have to call the fire department to put them out.
I give you 3, count them 💩💩💩 for honesty.
No I do not think current EVs with lithium ion batteries are worth the investment and looking at all this how can people still justify these EVs as being safe for the environment even without factoring in the manufacturing process of the batteries themselves. A guy made a great analogy with EVs. He said EVs are like compact fluorescent light bulbs before LED light bulbs. They are an in-between technology before we get something better including solid state batteries, carbon ion batteries or even e-fuels or carbon recycled fuels, making every ICE engine clean burning by cleaning the fuel.
EVs and all the impracticability, danger, and environmental hazards that come with them are definitely not worth the investment. Just saw a video today of a man in China who was cooked by an lithium ion E-bike battery in the elevator. Lithium ion EVs are definitely not worth the investment.
The problem with Efuel is that it is so exprensive. Nobody would use it at the moment.
@@heth91 We have to start somewhere. Think about all the tax money that was wasted in EVs. If that was invested in E-fuels we would have been in a better situation right now. Big oil would have a true competitor and competition is always good for the consumer in addition to actually being better for the environment and our electric grids all around. But this would take true political leadership which I don't see from the current US administration and it will take more citizens who are not asleep at the wheel.
@@malcolmarFor a lot of people EVs are the perfect solution. For everybody that is commuting everyday from home to work and back for example and can charge at home or work. No gas stops anymore, plug and play and driving at a fraction of the price. I dont get why so many people hate EVs. Obviously if you drive miles on miles everyday like 500+ I would also want to have an ICE car but if you dont drive far often EVs are perfect.
@@heth91 I am not hating on EVs per se because I do think they work for some people. I hate forcing people to buy EVs and I hate the lies. People should have the choice on whether or not they buy an EV and people need to stop lying about how environmentally friendly and safe EVs with lithium ion batteries are because they are not environmentally friendly and they are not safe. As I posted early, solid state EV batteries look to be a better solution as well as carbon ion batteries which do not rely so much on rare earth elements and are not as dangerous and explosive as lithium ion batteries in general and especially when exposed to salt water. If governments and politicians are not supporting more development in these technologies then you know they don't care about the environment and only care about the money they get from the country that is the major supplier of the rare earth elements for lithium ion batteries. If they really cared about the environment they would be supporting companies like Carbon Engineering which has worked more than 12 years developing a technology that recycles CO2 right out of the air to make clean burning fuel for every internal combustion engine vehicle including planes with little to no modification thus making all ICE vehicles clean vehicles. If you don't believe me, look theses things up yourself and spread the word. We have a better chance of actually protecting this planet we call home and its people when we actually see what is happening around us.
Just because of lithium battery technology, I will never buy an EV, nor will I keep one if given to me !!!!
I recently purchased a lithium battery on line for a Samsung Galaxy 4 tablet. It came without instructions or documentation. I opened the packaging whereupon it burst into flame. Fortunately no property damage done and very much smaller than a car battery but I think this shows how risky this technology is.
GO WIN RED 2024!!!
I just wonder how long before the Washington state ferry system bans EVs, and insurers stop covering them. We have a lot of them here.
With all the Sophisticated electronics on a EV what could possibly go wrong?
I know, right.👊🏾🪖🇺🇸✝️
Another problem with Chinese EVs is their quality control and safety standards are severely lacking, not just for EVs.
Then comes the king of EV Fires. BYD.
Remember Kids JUST SAY NO ! TO EV s!
life expectancy of an ev battery 10 years and maybe more ,,,but less , depending on factors Like maybe if you dare to use your car ! Yes , ev owners are amongst the bravest of the brave ...ps forgot to mention ...EV'S are going up in flames all over the place !
No,EV owners are not the bravest of the brave,they are the most foolish,I’ve been saying all along that this would happen,EVs are a dead duck,the EV industry is dead they are far too dangerous,they are like a mobile crematorium and if you are still thinking about buying one then you are an even bigger fool.
nothing will ever convince me to buy any ev..
How about having to catch an electric but or a train to get around
Very closed mind viewpoint forever is a long time
@@metricstormtrooper i dont use either, so dont care.
@@martinaston1715 its a personal choice, you want one buy as many as you want, i will never buy one..
Green transport ??!?!?!?! What is so enviromentally friendly with the main battle gas used during WW I fosgen !!!????? Because that is what battery fires emanate !!! IT IS LETHAL !!!
All it would take for people to wake up is the inevitable car fire in LA gridlock. The cascading fires I picture in my head have me pining for a rural cottage in Northern Michigan.
And ev zealots in my townhouse complex are clamoring for strata provided charging stations in our communal garage.
We are in a transition period from internal combustion to external combustion engines 😂
Because there garbage
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Yup total garbage
A turd vehicle
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Temperature management systems are to blame. Bad designs, bad management.
7 reasons that the cybertruck is shit 1… made by Tesla.m2 electric. 3 no range,4 shit offvroad, 5… shit on road,6 can't tow, 7 looks like an autistic kids sketch. 8. Fire risk, 9. Weight and shape deadly to other road users.10. Looks stupid. 11. Not raccoon proof. 12. Mistaken for urinal..
Thermal runaway is when the battery is hot enough that the water molecules in the electrolyte dissociate into oxygen and hydrogen to supply the oxygen for the fire. At that point, the fire cannot be extinguished. Dumping enough water on the battery might cool it to the point that the fire does not spread, but the battery will be consumed. Lithium batteries burn, because the battery is recharged by forcing lithium atoms back on to the electrode. The atoms preferentially go where the electrode is rough and the roughness increases with each cycle. Eventually, an internal short develops and the battery can fail catastrophically. Good quality control can delay this and some cells fail as an open circuit in the discharge cycle, but internal shorts are usually inevitable. The energy density of the lithium cell is high enough that an internal short can cause a fire.
Lead acid cells can also fail during recharge for the exact same reason, but the energy density is not enough to start a fire. All that the driver will notice is that the starter cannot crank the engine and there is a bulge on the battery case (it happened to me).
The solution is a cell chemistry that does not store the energy in the electrodes. Recombinant cross flow cells store energy in two electrolytes and discharge by passing ions across a semipermeable membrane, from one electrolyte to the other.
How are insurance companies dealing with this?
If an EV causes damage to other vehicles the companies are going to be paying out more in the long run.
That's going to push prices up.
They need a flat pan like SpaceX uses under their rockets to spray that fire. But, it’s a chemical fire. Until it burns out all you can hope to do is thin/dilute the chemicals until they can’t burn anymore.
All to the scrap yard !!!!
The damaging consequences to infrastructure, other vehicles & the environment from an EV fire are dramatically higher than for a comparable combustion engine vehicle. Furthermore, insurers are now "loading up" the premiums for non-EV vehicles to dilute the insurers' liabilities from EV claims.
EV OWNERS NEED TO PAY 100% OF ALL EV INSURANCE CLAIMS PERIOD.
What about e bikes & e scooters? as these are mere toys compared to EVs but they are also catching fire in the same way but have not been mentioned here at all.
Your percentage of cars that have caught fire is very misleading. There are a lot more ICE cars in the world than EV.s so the percentage is way out. There are bound to be more fires in the greater count, its only logical.
@@Pantha51 I have been driving for over 50 years and I have never had one car catch on fire. I just wonder why anyone would buy an electric car. They put the cart before the horse on this one. 🤷🏻♂️
Nothing is misleading since most ICE vehicle fires are on cars over 10 years old where preventive mandatory exchange of flexible fuel lines has not been done per mfr recommendations or are not armoured and protected enough and victims of roden damages. In fact properly maintained diesel and CNG vehicles are the safest, followed by gasoline and finally Ev and LPG/GPL…yet with big differences so that the safest gasoline car can be less ignitable than the worst diesel with a common rail fuel vaporising leak,,etc..Electric cars fires are mainly due to poor BMS (Batt. Mgt. Syst.) unfit to adapt down the peak currents to battery ageing and change of impedance due to the irreversible migration of Li ions to porous plates surface and plugging them..and fire incidents can occur on recent 3-7 years old Electric Vehicles already while recharging and after few hours at 2 or 3 A.M…Considering the % of car population respective age, incident rate and magnitude of damage, ( a Lithium, Magnesium or Sodium fire cannot be stopped till the entire product combustion is over, and using water represents a severe electric shock hazards…Fire brigades can bring sausages and mash mallow, roast them and wait the end of the fire…) the EV third party liability and fire damage premium should more specifically pay the related EV caused damages and reflects these risks better : a ferry destruction being covered by the boat coverage and other goods transport insurances, so that no good preventive measures are taken while some EV may represent more of a danger than one with an heavy and safe armoured battery pack , MB type etc..a discharged one less risk than a fully charged one, etc…
Not misleading at all evs are a flaming dump..💩🔥
Yep, the more EVs there are, the more fires, just logical !!
Eevee's come with less maintenance but overheating batteries could cause a problem.
But petrol engines come with more problems and maintenance charges and this is why car dealership people are complaining about evs they're not making any money off maintenance chargers
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You can bet that the statistics for those EV fires have been skewed. There are always ways to "adjust" statistical numbers....
Li-Ion batteries burn, period. Not all of them. Some of them. And when they do, so much for the "green new car", because the toxicity of those batteries when burning is 100X worse than a ICE vehicle.
No, they haven't. Verified EV fires caused by the traction battery Has been recorded at 400 worldwide for nearly 50 million EVs globally. It cant get much simpler than that, this is peer reviewed data, and although yes EV fires can have what is called thermal runaway; most of the time (nearly always) you can put out an EV fire with a few extinguishers.
But anyway; that doesn't matter; a fire in a car nearly always is a write off. So if the car breaks down less, gets caught on fire less, is more reliable, runs cheaper, is better for the Environment, is cheaper to maintain, and is more convenient for daily use, AND is cheaper after 4 years than a combustion car? Why get a combustion car.
I have both. But I will never get a combustion car again. They are worse in every way now. (And before range gets mentioned, I do 16000 miles a year and don't have much of a problem at all). Ask anyone that has genuine experience with driving an EV and they'll tell you that.
Lithium Ion batteries have been causing fires for 40 years and have killed many. Lithium Ion fires in EV's make all car parks obsolete as the structures are not designed to withstand 2000 degrees C and this will likely cause structural damage. They are nearly impossible to extinguish and may re-ignite and can occur at any time. The worrying thing is that many are not very old while ICE cars are normally old when they catch fire and often the fuel is not involved and the fires are electrical in origin.
These would typically be recalled due to safety, but due to the political push for EV's this is simply ignored. This is not the only issue people have been lied to about, and nowhere near the biggest.
What may help is a clawed projectile, sort of like a Bazooka, that can fire a "grabber" into a flaming EV in a basement carpark and have a reel that can pull the vehicle free of the building to minimise structural damage to the building [remember the twin towers fires]. A basement fire could spread to other items cars etc , and possible destabilise a building.
If people want to buy an electric vehicle they should be given the choice to do so but if they would rather buy a combustion engine new they also should be given the choice not dictated to by the Government what they can and can't drive and this is why I have no faith in whatever Government is in power because what right have they got to tell what we can and can't drive who do they think they are and this net zero by 2030 is ridiculous because at least in the UK the infrastructure is not in place and of course electric vehicle fires is just another reason why I wouldn't buy an electric vehicle because there is a lot of others
It's more likely for a combustion engine to catch fire by a factor of 15 than an EV, you hear it in the news because people like reading it. No ones interested in something as commonplace as a combustion car being on fire.
I agree with your statement, no one should be forced to buy an EV, I personally have both and prefer my EV for most things, it's just a better way of driving for me.
There is much to do safety wise before I’d consider a EV. Right now I think a hybrid makes the most sense. I’ve recently bought a hybrid. Cheers!
There is nothing to worry about buying an EV. A hybrid is the same thing just with a smaller battery. Maybe Hybrids are even worse because the battery and the fuel can ignite the car 😂
But who tf seriously thinks about fire safety when buying a car. Car fires are so rare who cares.
@@heth91 Hybrids and their plug-in counterparts are safer. With hybrid and plug-in hybrid cars, the fire risk is reduced greatly, since the Li-Ion battery packs are WAY smaller than the ones found in all the electric cars seen on the markets, and in use. We do not need more electric cars, we need more hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and more IC cars. AND the implementation/mass commercialization of biofuels and e-fuels.
@@user-oy8po9vj4lWe need less cars in the first place. That should be the main goal. Every car is bad even if it is an EV.
@@heth91 true. As Japan is the only country who knows this. Their railroad system does the dirty work of what personal vehicles do.
@@user-oy8po9vj4l One thing I've read & heard of hybrid safety is to make cooling intake is kept clean & clear. Ford trucks apparently have a vulnerable guard underneath the cab. Prius has the intake alongside rear pass side seat. Hybrid tech is still a bugger of a threat to sustainable transportation.
Let’s use car fires from cars manufactured after 2008 when Tesla was introduced. Maybe a percentage of electric car fires vs ice cars of same manufacturer years?
It's been done. In terms of cars produced by manufacturer, Tesla has had less fires than any other major manufacturer that produces over 1 million cars per year. As of June 2023, only 198 Tesla's had ever caught fire.
ICE cars are death traps. They just catch fire sitting in the driveway, doing nothing. Don't ever park next to an internal combustion engine car! They are so unsafe. /s
Hang On, how is it Norway has not heard about EV fires?
Ev = too heat intensive!
It's because they are not importing better made CATL LFP batteries from China due to now 100% tariff on Chinese EVs like BYD, which are way safer. Most incidents occur in US and Japanese EVs like GM, and sometimes Tesla but now Tesla is shifting towards LFP or safer batteries giving 3000 cycles to 80% , same as CATL.
He is quoting early Chinese EVs from past decade
Even Aussies and Russians are using Chinese EVs now and have surpassed Tesla sales
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The statistics comparing ICE car & EVs. Is this comparing same age vehicles? I only ask because arise EVs are relatively new forms of transport so age has not started to take effect! So statistics need to be for same age of vehicles to be accurate.
Instead of going for speed and having more ev engine in them draining the batteries even faster should stick to one ev engine per car.
It has been said that every EV car put on the road removed one petrol truck
Taking petrol cars off the road also you can you recycle the metal from these cars.
So this is an opportunity for people to scrap and recycle petrol cars or convert these petrol cars into electric cars
Why don't they mention the fact that there are thousands of internal combustion vehicles for each of those worthless EVs so the figures are going to look good for the EVs.
your #5, the 8.4 million cars produced annually, explains why china is currently, no pun, building 43 new coal fired electric generating plants.
The thing about comparing EV and ICE fire rates is that EVs have only been ‘mainstream’ for about two decades or so, whereas ICE vehicles on the road could be up to a hundred years old.
They forget add auto unconnected battery charger that's was cause all the fire
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I do not think that we have seen a real world improvement to EV range that yo refer to yet.
Which means they can make make make and when they have enough on the roads to and fro make recallable ones that will have a risk of igniting in that way they don't lose a lot you people will keep buying junk that is decorated
Why drive a rolling crematorium tho, trying to kill two birds with one stone?😮
I can put out an ICE fire😂
EVERYBODY VOTE!!!!
Hackansack right on q
They’re made in China……👍👍
Hopefully it will put a stop to EVs but I know how y'all roll you will come up something else to use for the based upon horseshit
WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT FOR AN ELECTRONICS
They just always do.
Come home to a real fire, park your Electric Car on your driveway.
trump even added a tank will now have to pull a tank behind it ....that'll actually be the battery
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OVER Old NCM Lihtium Battery end !
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Lithium, the wonder fuel. Maybe it's time for Sodium batteries.
Unless we have totally lost our ability to innovate...we will fix the problem or find something better. I.C.Engines are old news.
EV'S are old news in the early 1900's 38% of the cars on American roads were EV'S. Henry Ford's wife Clara had one in 1914.
@@maryw3989 40% were steam...we innovated, got better, will do it again, if we don't die from climate change first...
@@maryw3989You cannot compare the cars back in the day with the ones today 😂
Todays EVs are 100000 times better
@@heth91 why not 1900 gas cars where not that great and electric cars where not great. ICE cars won then too.
@@gerrymaines2633Climate change that's all bullshit like your turd EV
Not sure who adopts a car..diapers are too expensive. 👎
EV fires are not “harder to manage”…they are impossible to put out. Get that right. The two are incommensurable (impossible to compare).
i don't believe yoy
They burn far less than ice cars, you're lying again.
You don't get out much, do you
. The real world is just outside your door
What about the toxic gasses deadly