one important thing about them; they keep you young. i'm 35 and doing oly lifts for about a year now and i am more agile, quick, ready to explode, moving and perform better all around and generally feel younger and more fresh all the time. and these lifts are not just phsycal challenge, but also test your mental toughness. there is a heavy ass thing suspended in the air and you have to get under it in a very quick manner. what else you want from a one fucking excercise/movement?
Second 👍. Thankyou Will. This is a good way to start the weekend. This was a good reason why I love TRAINING......So many UNIVERSAL movements that build STRENGTH, POWER and MUSCLE. It's about you're goals, and while achieving the goal, down the road, finding the right program, diet, and the LIFTING .
Really like this channel hence why I recently subscribed but I’m 100% convinced that no one can persuade me into prescribing Olympic lifting to serious athletes!
To get good enough at Oly Lifts to reap the benefits takes a ton of time. Gotta hit them multiple times per week for months to years. Hard to do that when coaching groups that are crunched for time.
I think the time constraint is about actually learning olly lifts. I started in March and I think they take like half of my workout to practice, record myself, correct etc.
I think this is where the counter point of slow cooking the process for kids was brought up. We slow cook the process for everything else but with the snatch and clean and jerk we do not. It takes too much time.
22:42 Not saying you don't have a justification, but i feel like there were several times you stated "i think there's a lot of value in that" without further elaboration, being that you disagree with dynamic correspondence (i do as well), just curious what in particular is the value of specifically solving the movement problem of catching the clean for a 6'7 volleyball middle as opposed to any other random joel seedman-esque movement? Are those also valuable because the athlete has to solve a movement problem?
Half way into the video and it seems like a great debate so far, again, I’m being open minded and still haven’t found any reason why I’d prescribe the O-lifts! A lot of these guys in the comments section better be great at it because I call 🧢!
From wikipedia "In physics, power is the amount of energy transferred or converted per unit time. In the International System of Units, the unit of power is the watt, equal to one joule per second. "
Power=F*V V=d/t So, Power also = Force*d/t Work=Force*d So, Power also = W/t Different ways to solve the power equation and therefore, different way to manipulate power output, i.e increase the distance (deficit clean pull, deficit clean high pulls, etc) or decrease time (cleans and snatch from high hang positions). All these things can effect power output. It just depends on what you’re trying to get out of your training.
after listening, i feel like the zercher clean is a happy medium between the two sides? it can be loaded heavy, youre doing that explosive pull and then catching the weight, and its lower skill than the actual clean. i guess the only downside is no jerk, portion.
Crazy that Cody argues for the "movement skill" a medball throw provides over the incredible actual "movement skill" provided by the oly lifts. Seems like he's most concerned with very shallow physics equations that don't describe the whole system.
I love how civil and cooperative this was.
one important thing about them; they keep you young. i'm 35 and doing oly lifts for about a year now and i am more agile, quick, ready to explode, moving and perform better all around and generally feel younger and more fresh all the time. and these lifts are not just phsycal challenge, but also test your mental toughness. there is a heavy ass thing suspended in the air and you have to get under it in a very quick manner. what else you want from a one fucking excercise/movement?
Definitely true, same here, I gained so much mobility and explosivity in just a year.
As a member of the HOSS community, Cody is dope. Thanks for this, Will! 🤙😎🤙
Great discussion lads!
Second 👍. Thankyou Will. This is a good way to start the weekend. This was a good reason why I love TRAINING......So many UNIVERSAL movements that build STRENGTH, POWER and MUSCLE. It's about you're goals, and while achieving the goal, down the road, finding the right program, diet, and the LIFTING .
Really like this channel hence why I recently subscribed but I’m 100% convinced that no one can persuade me into prescribing Olympic lifting to serious athletes!
these discussions are awesome will, it's a nice intro to the theory coming from current practicing strength coaches
To get good enough at Oly Lifts to reap the benefits takes a ton of time. Gotta hit them multiple times per week for months to years. Hard to do that when coaching groups that are crunched for time.
I’ll never understand the time constraint argument, snatching takes 10 minutes, do it after sprinting and you don’t even have to warm up
I think the time constraint is about actually learning olly lifts. I started in March and I think they take like half of my workout to practice, record myself, correct etc.
To learn Olympic lifting takes quite a bit of dedication!
I think this is where the counter point of slow cooking the process for kids was brought up. We slow cook the process for everything else but with the snatch and clean and jerk we do not. It takes too much time.
22:42 Not saying you don't have a justification, but i feel like there were several times you stated "i think there's a lot of value in that" without further elaboration, being that you disagree with dynamic correspondence (i do as well),
just curious what in particular is the value of specifically solving the movement problem of catching the clean for a 6'7 volleyball middle as opposed to any other random joel seedman-esque movement? Are those also valuable because the athlete has to solve a movement problem?
Half way into the video and it seems like a great debate so far, again, I’m being open minded and still haven’t found any reason why I’d prescribe the O-lifts! A lot of these guys in the comments section better be great at it because I call 🧢!
Will, isn’t power = work over a given time period? In the video you said power = force x velocity.
Yes both definitions are correct
Power is the rate at which work is done.
From wikipedia "In physics, power is the amount of energy transferred or converted per unit time. In the International System of Units, the unit of power is the watt, equal to one joule per second. "
Great talk. So cool to see an actual debate / discussion about this
Power=F*V
V=d/t
So, Power also = Force*d/t
Work=Force*d
So, Power also = W/t
Different ways to solve the power equation and therefore, different way to manipulate power output, i.e increase the distance (deficit clean pull, deficit clean high pulls, etc) or decrease time (cleans and snatch from high hang positions). All these things can effect power output. It just depends on what you’re trying to get out of your training.
after listening, i feel like the zercher clean is a happy medium between the two sides? it can be loaded heavy, youre doing that explosive pull and then catching the weight, and its lower skill than the actual clean. i guess the only downside is no jerk, portion.
Crazy that Cody argues for the "movement skill" a medball throw provides over the incredible actual "movement skill" provided by the oly lifts. Seems like he's most concerned with very shallow physics equations that don't describe the whole system.
Cody wouldn't do Clean or Snatch if he had 400 minutes a week with them?
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