Hard Vs Soft (competition) style kettlebells
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The content of your videos always change, but the result is always the same - good info!
thanks. making what's in my head. always appreciate suggestions
Great video Mark. Full of useful info without any unnecessary rambling. I have restarted doing kettlebell exercises because of you. Now if I go shopping for new kettlebells I know how to choose the best ones.
Just received my first kettlebell ever. Pre-ordered it from RKC Dragon door and it was totally worth the 3 month wait time, as they are almost impossible to find available online. I went with the 16KG and have been following along with Pavel's "Enter the Kettlebell" and really appreciate all the knowledge and vids you provide Mark. Subscribed!
I love competition ketts and hardstyle bells the same way. Thanks for you content Sir:)
All your kettlebell videos are really great. Clear, straightforward, ego-free. Wish I'd got to watch this video before buying my second hand kettlebell. I think it's a big-box style one as it's super uncomfortable to hold with the correct grip you model
An easy way to tell the difference between the weights of comp bells is the paintwork condition. The 16kg (yellow in the vid) has been bashed around, paint chipped off it everywhere (well used). The Big Boy 40kg (white in the vid) is in nearly brand new condition (probably used twice) including for the filming of the vid. 😂
Thanks man, that was a big help! 👍
This answered some question! Thank you!
Thanks for all your content Mark. It has helped me on my journey entering into kettlebells/working out.
Watched about 10 of your videos and you have some of the best content and style.
Need to check your channel for a beginner routine.
im trying to film it now.
Mark Wildman thank you sir! You are appreciated.
Agreed, these videos are great. I have learned so much. Mark goes into a level of detail that I haven't seen in other KB videos. Thanks so much.
As with all the other videos that I've watched from Mark Wildman this was very informative. The fact that my first kettlebell is from Walmart tickled me. It was like $4.89 on clearance. And I get why that was.... I really do. Lol. So this was both informative and accurate.
Mark, good content, as usual. You mentioned Jeff Martone. I know Jeff, we studied martial arts together many years ago. A good man, an awesome fighter and a kettlebell guru. Funny how small the circles get.
Thank you very much Mark.
Thanks for the explanations
great video!!!
Mark, can do you a video on the basic clubbell movements for true beginners who want to start with the basics? Thanks for all your great content!
sure.
Ordered an 8kg to supplement my 10 & 16kg bells to work out during lockdown. That was in August 2020, am still waiting!!! Somewhere on a boat from China I guess. I prefer competition bells. Thanks Mark, always a good video.
Great video
Thanks for the information
thanks! very helpful!
Center of mass is closer to the hand on the competition kettlebells.
This way it makes it easier to make more reps.
Classic KBs have lower center of mass, it helps to develop strength.
Can u explain it more in detail, whether why lower center of mass is more strength and from what you explain, lower reps?
It's physics. It's essentially a cantilever system. Same thing with mace training. The closer your hands are to the weight, the easier it is to swing
Thank you for this video , I never knew the difference.
Would appreciate your thoughts on whether competition kettlebell is practical for fitness work (I'm not interested in kettlebell sport) without having to chalk the handle. I've used hardstyle bells thus far, but have wanted to try using a competition bell. I workout in my home and the idea of having chalk getting all over the place is a negative incentive. I notice you use competition bells for your videos without chalk, but I realize you're not doing many reps when you're simply demonstration movements. How likely to you think it is that I'd need to chalk a competition bell?
Hi there , Mark , thanks a lot for your great videos . Would you tell us please what do you think about adjustable kettlebell ?
after trying both i prefer the soft (competition) style KB's, especially the ones from ROGUE since they have these flat cutouts to them that make them more comfortable when resting in the rack or other positions. I like how each one has the same size, feels more consistent when changing between weights. the spherical shape puts more pressure all on one point on your forearm bone which can hurt more as opposed to the flat surface spreading the pressure out across more surface area. they're certainly more expensive and often out of stock but maybe there's some other brands that have the same feature. i share this channel to all my friends interested in kettlebells, thanks!
Hey mark. Recently found your channel, you have great content! If you’re looking for suggestions for videos, I think it would be awesome for you to talk through how to structure a complete kettlebell/club workout. With all of this coronavirus stuff going on and gyms being closed, I bought some kettlebells myself. However, I’m so used to programming a barbell workout, I’m not sure how to properly structure a workout solely using bells/clubs. Thoughts?
im working on it. i'm trying to put that out next week. there could be 1000 videos on that, so i'm narrowing down what is best, simplest, and fastest
I wish I had seen this 6 months ago. I have two hard style that have never rested correctly on my arm in the clean position. Both bought for the price off of Amazon. I started with a 20lb. and after a few weeks got a 35 lb. They work great for swings and squats. The cleans, presses, and TCU can be challenging with the way they rest on my arm but I make it work. I will be going to a 50 lb. in a couple of months and will get a competition style then.
Thank you!
Smart video.
" you would need some sort of kettlebell historian". Haha
What is a good kettlebell workout. Just do the Basic 8 moves or so. Thanks ,
your videos are the best I have seen on this matter.
Search his channel for "workout design". He has a video on it.
If you don't know the techniques, czcams.com/video/RE6CSomDvl8/video.html.
When I rushed to the stores in my area after my gym closed and before the quarantine breaks up, I could only get (and probably the last one) a competition bell of the weight I need (24k), so I'm adapting to that. But thanks for the video anyway
Hiya Mark. I think there is a small but important point you're missing about competition kb's. They're all the same size and shape so that the dynamic remains consistent. You don't have to alter your grip, stance, or action when you change weights. Once good form is learnt and solidified in the mind there is never any need to change it. This is crucial to maintain good form and thus avoid injury and less effective training. You can also use any kb anywhere in the world comfortably and without issue.
He did mention it. Its at the end
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Thanks Mark.....
Hi, Mark! Wondering what your thoughts are on the Onnit primal and Star Wars kettlebells? Just as functional as a hard style kettlebells or primarily useful for decoration? Great content by the way! Keep it coming!
you just have to be aware when you pick then up that the face sits out i think
Can you do one on the handles themselves and what you prefer as I've seen a mix of rounded and more square handles. And don't understand if there are some pro's and con's to each or one should denote one purpose and the other should denote another puropse.
Kettlebell Kings! The best
Very helpful! I’ve got some bad bells, unfortunately. This is Cajun country, perhaps I’ll sell them to some crawfish fishermen as boat anchors and start over! 🤷♂️
You probably want to wait on that...not a lot of inventory out there this Crazy Covid year.
I like the Pro at Rogue cause of the 4 flat surfaces so it doesnt hurt your arm when lifting
i'll look that up
Those are based on the original performance bells by Valery Fedorenko
Hi Mark help pls
The kettlebell I bought is resting in the right place but I still feel pain.
Is that normal? I'm a skinny guy, maybe that's the reason?
Hey Mark,
Starting out what brand and weight kettle ball is a good one to start off with? Enjoy your channel.
Check out the economics of the living fit competition adjustable kettlebell video
Mark, you didn't talk at all about the centre of mass offset between hard and soft style kettlebells. Would you please share your thoughts on that?
i'll put it on the video list
Resting on the joint... I have this problem with Rogue hard-style bells (16kg rests directly on joint, 24kg barely below... and still uncomfortable on my bony wrists).
I'm pretty sure the grip is correct (follows your guidance).
Is this typically problematic for taller lifters (I'm 6'6") and would the larger diameter of soft-style be any better in your experience?
yes. rouge bells are based on the old RKC bells. i would try a completion bell, but at your height you might have to use a soft style gip to make it work.
I absolutely love those Russian Reds Kettlebells.. Can you still buy those anywhere ? Thx.
All mine are hardstyle Weiders from Wal-Mart. I've got 25, 35, 40, and 45. It does land funny sometimes on my wrist but I just deal with it.
I take that back I just checked/tested a couple of them, it lands below the joint with plenty of space. The Weiders are the creme-de-la-creme to ME. They accidentally sent me a CAP once and I realized it later on, it was quite beat up, and sent it back for the correct smooth Weider replacement. I WAY more like hardstyle, it's the big handle I really like to work with. My wrist only ever hurts from Jiu Jitsu not the Kettlebell workouts.
All mine are weider too. I love them. 30 all the way to 85lb
@@mrdshull Yeah I'd like to get another 40 but walmart is sold out may get another 35 in order to do the armor workout
Competition KB's are designed for high reps and the smaller handle diameter makes it easier, hence the difference.
that was a simpler answer, i should have pointed that out
When using kettlebells for push up or plank, I found that competition style seems to be more stable. What is your experience?
same for me. bigger base. hard style bell have smaller bases until you get to 24k
Thanks Mark, legally can you recommend a good seller of the competition kb please?
Can you give some brand recommendations for soft & hard bells? The outline was super helpful but being a novice in lock down I am forced to order online with no chance to try the bells out. I'd hate to end up with a poorly designed bell & buyer regret...
Not sure if you found an answer, but Kettlebell Kings and Kettlebells USA are two of the big players in the US. If you're near Denver, I bought some bells from Simpsons Fitness supply that were pretty solid. Common hard style bells are from Dragondoor or Rogue. Regardless, I do not recommend you buy any kettlebell that does not have a spherical shape, i.e. the ones with a monkey face or a deeply imprinted logo - these are not comfortable resting on your forearm.
I have had a Rouge 20 kg hard style that I use for swings, farmer carrys and lunges. They were the excersises a trainer showed me. I am going to buy a 16 and 24. Maybe the 18 and 22. Buying 4-5 competitive kbells is $500. My hands are XXL. I have never held the competitive style. Maybe buy the 16 and 24 in competitive. Should I replace the 20 so all 3 are the same or buy the 18?
The more the merrier. 4kg jumps are usually appropriate.
You are making a lot of videos lately, all good, is it because of social distancing or you just do not have any work? ROCK ON !
all movie projects are on hold for months so expect a video a day at least. maybe more since im getting lots of practice making them. each video use to take days. now its one video a day. soon... maybe 2
About Pro GRADE Style Kettlebells and what all say "competition" exist much more details to choose a good Kettlebell. It depends of size of hand and depends technique used on pendulum movements, on Clean and Snatch. The inside handle size is the question :) also the way is made is very important for us, athletes of Kettlebell Sport. We can fell the big difference of stability between them. We use only one kind of the others.... In competition, with different Pro Grade we can have 30% less on performance. Kettlebells are not only a ball with a handle all of same size.
can you elaborate. are you saying you have a 30% difference between different companies of completion bells?
What brand of kettlebell is that 16 kg comp bell you show in this video? Where can i get the same and more?
Yellow is a winner in my opinion . Because it has more community compare to the movements.
Hey Mark,
I have a competition bell that has a bit of rattle, as if there’s a small handful of sand in the void. Is this common/an issue ?
Thanks !
common issue. to make them the same size the are cast hollow and the bottom is welded on but sometimes metal shavings or casting material ends up in the hollow void. i have a few that sound like maracas
Mark Wildman thanks so much for your reply ! Glad to know it’s not just mine. Keep up the awesome content!
@@MarkWildman Another reason could be that case iron moulding is not exactly precise. So, each bell can differ in weight. And to make up for that some sand, shavings, etc. added and sealed inside the bell.
What are good brands? I couldn’t hear what he was saying only one I got was komodoro?
Shuaib Ahmed Kettlebell Kings and Rogue are considered to be the two best American brands. Mark uses Kettlebell Kings, in most of his videos. If you open up the video’s description box, you find that he has posted a link to their website.
I was wondering Mark: maybe i'll stick to comp kettlebells for all the "basic stuff" i.e. swings, snatches, presses, get ups, etc. and then buy some RKC ones in heavier weights for other functional exercises like loaded carries, deadlifts and some types of squats - how's the rationale of that in your opinion?
Any information about the titan fitness competition style or the sorinex hard style?
Not yet. I’ve not heard of the sorinex
Just realised it's not me it's the kettlebell that's hurting my wrist. Have been practicing the 'hooking' movement for cleans and was experiencing a lot of discomfort and not knowing what I was doing wrong. I now see the lower the weight I was using to practice the smaller the handle and the less room for movement I was giving myself. Seems I need to get a new competition bell for myself 😎👌
Good idea
If you had to choose only one exercises kettlebells VS club swinging, which one would /should you go for?
ugh.... ahhh... how many of each would i have in this situation.
@@MarkWildman let's say tight budget to begin with, 2 to 3 kettlebells or clubs.
Thanks for the reply! Great channel 💪🙏
Besides differences in kettlebells (I strongly prefer using competition-style bells), there is a big difference in what soft style (gurevoy sport) and hard style (which came from Pavel Tsatsouline) teaches. Soft style is about of working with kettlebells in a most efficient way and about breathing in a most efficient way as well. Hard style is a full opposite, it's about handling kettlebells in an artificial no-efficient way to make exercises harder!
I have a 12kg and a 24kg competition style kettlebell. When doing swings, I have problems with shaffing on my thighs. I have naturally very bulky and muscular thighs (24+"), so this makes it even worse. Also, I have a longer upper body and short legs, which means that my arms don't reach that far down. Is this a technique or a body composition issue?
i would say it's a technique problem , when you do it with your torso straight moving only with your hips ( and a bit your knees) the kettlebell goes almost to the level of your knees , i guess there is enough space between your knees ( you need to feel your gluts stretching while going down)
I thought "soft" are actually soft, like the ones at the gym at my workplace, which they bought probably so the people wont injure themselves
How much for the vintage Russian red ?!
What can you say about plastic kettle bell and metal kettle bell?
Buy a metal kettlebell
Struggledd to figure out what bells to buy when I was getting into KBs. I opted for competition bells and for me they are the right choice, sure juggling is a bit harder but that's cool. My gym has a pair of hard style of bells that are 100 lbs each. Want to talk about garbage? Yeah these are it. Someone just scaled up a smaller hard bell to the weight. The handles are at least 1 3/4" in diameter! The castings are so horrible to boot. The kicker is that someone who works for my gym actually bought these things. Of course there isn't a trainer there that actually can use KBs...
That'S why alot of cast irons bells are junk.
Mark, what's the window size on that red bell in the video?
It’s an old RkC Russian red. It’s in storage currently so I’m not sure
@@MarkWildman Well, thanks for chiming in anyway. I got me some KBs and they're good (traditional style) but the spacing is kinda narrow for me and it doesn't fit right on my joints when I try to do cleans/snatches - even though at 55mm it seems just like the old/traditional spacing.
Drink 🍺 when Mark uses quote fingers
Down a shot of vodka + TGU every time. Russian hardstyle. 😂
I went to comp style bells after busting the handle off of a hard style. Comp bells are steel versus cast iron. Steel will survive being dropped. I also like the consistent dimensions.
You're not supposed to drop them...😂
@@jeff3putt But dropping is better than hurting yourself if those are the two options.
@Stillnapie: good softstyle bells are casted out of one piece. Bad ones have the handle welded onto them. Those are cheaper. I'm no expert but this is what I've learned online.
i once dropped an 80lb hard style bell and cracked a concrete sidewalk.... but the bell survived.. i have heard of handles breaking but i've never seen it. dit you take a picture?
@@jeff3putt Yeah!!!
@@Barrrt It was a cast in one piece iron bell, it just hit right..
Can you recommend any companies that sell reasonably priced/proper kettlebells in the U.K.?
let me ask my buddy over there. i can't remember off the top of my head but we bought a whole set of great completion bells for a movie project. remind me to answer this. ill text scotland now, but the time difference means i won't get an answer till tomorrow
Mark Wildman Great! Let me know. Need to keep up the progression now everything’s on lockdown. On a side note, what are your thoughts on adjustable kettlebells such as this one: www.hifi-tower.co.uk/Sport-Fitness/Strength-training/Kettlebells/Adjustabell-Adjustable-Kettlebell-Weight-16-18-20-22-24-kg-Black-Blue-From-16-to-24-kg.html Looks convenient, but thought I’d ask in case not as effective for whatever reason
Any suggestions from Scotland? 🙃
@@JohnSmith-yd4nl wolverson
@@MarkWildman I'll thank you on his behalf 👍
Hardstyle kettlebells are the way to go. Strongfirst!
Not sure what you mean here. Hardstyle kettlebells are way easier to use and hardstyle training is extremely easy in comparison to girevoy sport, so if your idea is to take it easy and fool yourself, yes, that's the way to go!
Strongsecond as well!
What weight is recomended for a begginer who never went to gym ?
12 or 14 k for men
@@MarkWildman Thanks for answer🙂
Maybe you can you the smaller kettlebells as doorstops. 😬
I do
Ok not to be weird. But does anyone know what kind of pants those are...athletic fit and look stretchy!
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Hey mark what do u think of onnit kettlebell?
I think competition bells are where I would spend money
@@MarkWildman Got it. I’ll give the rogue competition style a try if it’s not good I’ll get the kettlebell kings.
@@justrelax6664 just go with kettlebell kings. i used some of the rogues with the cutouts that where not correct. kettlebell king adjustable bell is my by far no.1 recommendation. after that the prokettlebells.com
@@MarkWildman Are you talking about the adjustable competition style kettlebell?
Does rogue have an adjustable competition bell now?
Let’s discuss talking with your hands versus talking without your hands
It is difficult to find competition kettlebell at any price right.
Do you have a beginning program for a woman who is in fair shape and 85 years old.
It’s coming. I need to do reshoots
Are the Rogue's E-coat kettlebells of high quality?
No idea. I haven’t used a rogue bell in years.
I did pick some up at an event and didn’t like them that much, but I hear they were redesigned
@@MarkWildman Where i live i can choose between the Rogue's, the Dragon Door's and the Kettlebell Kings' - you tell me, you're the expert Mark: what'll it be?
Once again, i am just starting out with kettlebells and only need three of 'em.
Thanks.
Completion bells, kettlebell kings. Best bet is the adjustable completion bell.
I made a video on the economics
Okay that's it now I'm going to look up Jeff Martone.... I don't know if I spelled that right
He’s old school genius
Grabbed my first 32kg kb
Why exactly do they have "hard" or "soft" names attached?
It is all a marketing gimmick. "Hardstyle" came from the DragonDoor Publishing Company. They were partnered with Pavel Tsatsouline in late 90s and early 2000s. Pretty much introduced kettlebells to the Western Market. The "soft" style was later "discovered", I guess, through CZcams? These were the thinner-handled Kettlebells which were utilized in the Kettlebell Sport Competitions over in Russia (more or less), that typically involved max repetition efforts for the Snatch and the Clean and Jerk, at a 10 minute interval each. Pretty much freakishly strong (like real genetic freaks with crazy-high stress tolerances) guys and girls that were on par with Olympic-level athletes. And therein, the "soft" style gimmick came about, but I personally think the "hardstyle" is the real gimmick. Like, you wouldn't train yourself on a fat-bar style Olympic barbell for a Starting Strength program--that is just an uphill battle of moronic proportions. I think one sort of feat of "strength" (and I use quotes on purpose for strength) is the 10-minute snatch test with a 24kg kettlebell. I have never seen any of these online Kettlebell trainers ever upload footage like that apart from someone like a Jeff Martone, who is one hell of a monster kettlebell lifter.
Oh, and I forgot to mention, the "soft" style came from the thinking, "well, that's not hardstyle, I guess that must be soft style?" It is incorrect, it is not soft style--it should be termed "Sport Style"
good answer. if i could, i would add that in Hardstyle you make the body rigid and move the bell around the body. and in soft, completion, you move the body more around the bell. and then there's the single hip dip, and double hip dip thing.
@@PearsAreOkay Excellent expiration. I'd add Steve Cotter to that list.
@@Stillnapie Thanks--there are a bunch of people that are awesome KB lifters, and Steve Cotter is a baaaad dude :)
I did not know this. That explaines all the little girls I thought I saw juggling 80 lb bells.
It don't matter there all sold out!! EVERYWHERE
In my country it seemed the same but I could actually still get them by doing more google :-) I went to a more expensive webshop.
perform better? kettlebell kings? iff? are valery fedorenko bells still being made, american kettlebell club? world kettlebell club? strong first? dragon door?
@@MarkWildman I love your videos and Thanks for replying!! I'm in Canada but most of the website I checked are out of the 16kg to 24kg. I have a 16kg so I'm going to continue to watch your videos and work on form and be in a better position to go up a level. I'll wait and pay a little less on shipping and get something local when everything settles down.
@@glennparmiter2621 Been a couple months, so hopefully you could find some, but this is where I got mine: www.fitnessdepot.ca/B11BCB0907600/strength/kettlebells/kettlebells.html.
Their Chinese supplier recently changed the design of the kettlebells so the Russian ones are not quite like the site shows. Check handle design like Mark suggests here and you should be good.
Can also check second-hand, craigslist or kijiji.
Having trouble finding kettlebells in stock online at this time.. 😩😂
Funny thing is that most people who compete with competition kettlebells are ANYTHING but "soft" ;) its really silly that the majority of people thinknkettlebell sport isnt "tough" or that "hardstyle" is a tougher or more worthy way to train
So why are they called hard and soft? Competition I get but not hard and soft?
hard style is about intentionally maximizing the "power" output of the moves, soft style in about intentionally making the moves as efficient as possible. the two styles of bells developed around the two training philosophies
Mark, thank you very much for the clarification hard = power, soft=technique. I will say that you have unleashed KBs for me with your approach - I am currently working on my 10 minute swings. I look forward to how to integrate other exercises into the mix.
How “strong” can I get with bells? Is barbell the only real strength tool. Were ancient strong people not able to be strong since there were no barbells until recently? Just sayin’
super super strong. if you can use two 48k bells, you would be an ungodly monster of strength. i thin stronger than barbells because of the crazy complexity you can do. they won't necessarily be the same as barbell because joint angle determines muscle firing, so you will have a different angle of strength. but yes, you would be crazy strong. ancient peoples where crazy strong. atlas stone lifting and heavy club swinging check out the rouge documentary on the ancient lifting stones
Great, so thats why mine gave me crippling pain in my wrist and forearm and soon as I picked them up. I was wondering how anyone thought kettlebells were useful with this much discomfort.
Softstyle lol. Im just gonna call it ErectStyle from now on.
Is someone breathing in the background? I had headphones in and had too look around to make sure someone wasn't here before I realized it was coming from the video. Social distancing ain't no joke.
yeah.. my camera guy messed up a bit, but in the interest of getting videos out, i didn't reshoot it. i realized it and the problem will be solved in the future. apologies. i have to work with what i can during quarantine
@@MarkWildman I'm just giving ya a hard time :) my take away us that you have such a high standard, your employees and friends have to do a round of alternating snatches and squats before they can handle equipment. Alfred Hitchcock would be proud ;)
Damn. I gotta quit buying crap before I know what I’m buying.
I'd love to see you do a video where you just go into every major retailer that carries kettlebells and just roasts the bells they have. Target? WORTHLESS! Wallmart? Worthless! Dicks? Competition bells fine, the rest, worthless!
TIL I bought a terrible bell.
Don't buy from Walmart.
why not? I have bought ALL mine from there, Weiders, if it's damaged I send it back until they get it right.
Mine are all good to go. Sit in the right spot on my arm. Weiders
I get that you like to think yourself an intellectual. Saying geometry and using basic multiplication does not a "nerd" (smart person by your definition) make...
Aside from that, enjoy and appreciate your coaching and simple breakdowns and simulations. Thank you
well... in addition to being a trainer i have a degree in biochemical engineer... and i was published research scientist. not a lot, but 5 papers. 3rd author i think. does the count as a nerd?
@@MarkWildman I eat my hat good sir... 😅
How did you go from biochemistry to training?