I worked in a small shake/shingle mill in the late 60's. On the shake side there was one guy cutting blocks, a splitterman splitting the boards off the blocks, an "off bear" who was responsible for cleaning up the boards and making sure there wasn't any double thick ones or bad wood going up the conveyor. We had two shingle sawyers who edge trimmed each board and sawed each shake board into two shakes by hand. The sawyers would drop the shakes onto a chute that went down to the packer. Other than the automated sawing of the boards, it looks like it hasn't changed much in 50 odd years.
Roofer by trade over 30 years in the business. This is a fast paced mill and I’m amazed that I didn’t see any missing digits or limbs. My line of work is dangerous yours is beyond that. Kudos to those employees
The cuber made a couple mistakes at the beginng, when he placed his hand on the TOP of the block - quite often that is not a habit-forming error. When I was young, I worked at a shingle mill. Whenever someone cut off a finger or more, the co-workers' dark humor would would ring out in a call to the medic: Camaro! Mustang! Boat! Seen a fair number of guys with their fingers tips evened out.
@@andrewthompson5728 years ago I worked with a guy who used to work in a meat processing plant. He was missing two fingers from a band saw We used to razz him about why he didn’t stop after he cut the first one off. His response was both finger were gone in a blink
I have run a shingle/shake mill in BC. We did that all by hand. Hand sawed shakes. They were straight as an arrow. Not the ones you see cut here. My god there is a lot of waste as well at the packing end. There would be no way we would have those ends to begin with. Ours were solid all the way through, Taper to butt. The packer never had to throw anything away, let alone split the damn thing.
Hey that's the mill I block pile at! For those concerned about the danger - once under good management no one has been seriously injured in a long time, and when they are there are usually factors extending beyond the norm. In other words people doing their job properly almost never get hurt, those doing misguided and/or acting stupidly increase the odds greatly.
there are no accidents, only stupid carelessness. There is no substitute for paying attention, which is a saying I have up in my cabinet shop. After over 40 years in the trade, both of my serious injuries were as a result of not following both of these sayings.
My father told me that back in 40’s or 50’s Northern California when he was logging after WW11 you could hire a roofer he’d come out with a keg of nails fall the proper size cedar tree split shingle’s on the spot and roof you shack…
in the early 70s in Northern Calif, I stopped in a small mill and watched them do this with only 4 men. They split blanks off the log with a froe and mallet, and cut the blank diagonal on the band saw by hand, no guides. I asked the boss what makes him different than the large companies and he said "more guys." this shows this is true, with some mass production thrown in.
Probably more then just San Marino I remember as a kid they put lots of shake roofs on..shingles/medium shakes and heavy shakes felt liners going up into the attics and seeing daylight everywhere but never a leak and the smell after it rained the smell of wet cedar
Troubles my heart to hear the initial log entering the mill referred to as "Big." Don't get me wrong, it's awesome to see that quality taper wood is still available. It's just that I reminisce of the old days of the late 1970's early 80's on the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State. I recall rolling single bolts as big around as that log. The grain was so tight and clean all I needed was a standard splitting axe to pop those giant bolts into managable sized blocks to fit the fly slings. The mill had their own trucks and crew waiting at the landing to load and take the cedar to mill as quick as the helicopter dropped. If they didn't there were plenty of mills in the area that would. Those were the days.. At least in the lower 48. I never worked in the mill but if not for the mills I would have gone broke. Thanks for awakening memories of from the best days of my life.
Wow, amazing! I know these are for shakes, but would lumber produced this way be of higher quality (e.g. less warp, etc) compared to regular sawmill lumber?
Na ovj način predlažem prozvodnju parketnih friza od hrastovog drveta na području Jahorine i Romanije. Naime, u pravilu starija debla završavaju kao ogrev, a imaju izvarednu cjepljivost i predodređena su za obradu bez strugotine u drugoj operaciji posle kraćenja na dužinu i izbacivanja kvrgavih dijelova.
@@woodroofguy Ahhhh! I understand !!! Now I understand, it is something that in South America is not used ..... Thank you very much for responding !!!! I look forward to more anxious videos. regards
@@ernozato In the last step they recut on a diagonal. Without doing that, and I have no doubt I'll be corrected if I have it wrong, a piece of cedar like that can be used for grilling, usually fish, salmon inparticular, on the BBQ. You could try this with some of that fantastic beef you have. The wood protects what you are cooking and imparts flavour to the meat.
michelesouris DIY who pick up a saw on a weekend need protecting from themselves... these are pros. They will be fine, as long as you leave them alone.
I have sawn for years on and off. all these bleeding hearts with their talk about danger and gaurds need to understand that you are more likely to get hit by a car than a sawyer is to get whacked doing his highly skilled job. It comes down to taken risks and being good at what you do. If you can't cook fish with out burning it, DON'T cook fish.
My dad was a shingle sawyer for thirty years, he was lucky to only have lost his pinky finger. The majority of other sawyer who had worked in the timber industry had lost more important appendages.
+MN-14 Howdy - thanks for your comment! You are correct - not very artisanal, but very productive. This is the mainstay of production methods in the industry. :-)
Of course it's osha approved. They wouldn't be operating if it wasn't. All the necessary safety gear and precautions are being used and followed it looks like from the video. There was nothing inherently unsafe about what was shown in the video and how they were using the machines, you can clearly see failsafes being utilized in all the machines so that the guys won't get hurt.
OMG! This is a health and safety nightmare. No guards, sparse protective clothing, no dust masks and only a few are even wearing hardhats. That guy on the bandsaw is just mental. This is like something out of a victorian sweatshop. I am shocked! Truly shocked by this.
Your just as dumb and most people these days. We are skilled at what we do. We don’t need your opinion. I’m sure you have no idea how to do anything manual. Except type on your keyboard. But by all means please tell us how we aren’t working safely. I’m sure you know exactly how to do it.
As an oil worker I agree. Let's stop using renewable resources like wood to cover dwellings. I think tar and grit is superior in look and durability in most climates anyway. Maybe pap Elon can make us cedar solar panels then the bees and whales will win. Until then I'm just going to keep grilling salmon on "beautiful lumber" like these planks and let the "science" protestors worry about which things we have to stop using and why.
Dude.... give me a break. You would rather see the trees die and just rot away into nothing???? Because that is exactly what would happen if the wood wasn't being used!! All trees die. And we NEED to be using as much of them as possible instead of just wasting them by letting rot on the ground.
These jobs beg for a robotics engineer to automate the entire mill top to dangerous bottom. the robots won't sue you when they cut off a finger and won't need to wear double hearing protection. Dangerous, boring and hazardous to your health, this is the robotic replacement trifecta.
@raljame Thank you for your comments. The trade name for these products is "Handsplit & Resawn Shakes." I agree that the shake blanks are split with a knife attached to a hydraulic ram. This is how 99.9% of these shakes are manufactured in the industry and have been for many, many decades. Please follow the link below to the website for the Cedar Shake & Shingle Bureau. They have been the association of member mills that has been the driving for of the industry for over 100 years. This link, in particular, takes you to the product page for Handsplit & Resawn shakes. www.cedarbureau.org/product-types/certi-split-handsplit-resawn-shakes/ I have been in the industry for 35 years and would be happy to answer any questions you have. Thank you.
@raljame If you would like to see hand-split tapered shakes, I invite you to watch this video. This is me splitting up a special order for a restoration project in NY state. I hope you enjoy the video. Thanks again. czcams.com/video/-nwXRChPmyw/video.html
I worked in a small shake/shingle mill in the late 60's. On the shake side there was one guy cutting blocks, a splitterman splitting the boards off the blocks, an "off bear" who was responsible for cleaning up the boards and making sure there wasn't any double thick ones or bad wood going up the conveyor. We had two shingle sawyers who edge trimmed each board and sawed each shake board into two shakes by hand. The sawyers would drop the shakes onto a chute that went down to the packer. Other than the automated sawing of the boards, it looks like it hasn't changed much in 50 odd years.
Roofer by trade over 30 years in the business. This is a fast paced mill and I’m amazed that I didn’t see any missing digits or limbs. My line of work is dangerous yours is beyond that. Kudos to those employees
The cuber made a couple mistakes at the beginng, when he placed his hand on the TOP of the block - quite often that is not a habit-forming error.
When I was young, I worked at a shingle mill. Whenever someone cut off a finger or more, the co-workers' dark humor would would ring out in a call to the medic: Camaro! Mustang! Boat!
Seen a fair number of guys with their fingers tips evened out.
@@andrewthompson5728 years ago I worked with a guy who used to work in a meat processing plant. He was missing two fingers from a band saw We used to razz him about why he didn’t stop after he cut the first one off. His response was both finger were gone in a blink
Afraid I am never Impressed by fast work around dangerous machines.
I have run a shingle/shake mill in BC. We did that all by hand. Hand sawed shakes. They were straight as an arrow. Not the ones you see cut here. My god there is a lot of waste as well at the packing end. There would be no way we would have those ends to begin with. Ours were solid all the way through, Taper to butt. The packer never had to throw anything away, let alone split the damn thing.
One of the last products that is made and installed by hand. Thanks for putting this up.
I bet the mill has the wonderful aroma of Red Cedar. It's one of nature's best natural smells.
Hey that's the mill I block pile at! For those concerned about the danger - once under good management no one has been seriously injured in a long time, and when they are there are usually factors extending beyond the norm. In other words people doing their job properly almost never get hurt, those doing misguided and/or acting stupidly increase the odds greatly.
there are no accidents, only stupid carelessness. There is no substitute for paying attention, which is a saying I have up in my cabinet shop. After over 40 years in the trade, both of my serious injuries were as a result of not following both of these sayings.
Wow those hydraulic splitters are scary! That is a machine to respect and take great precaution when operating.
I would love to have 50 squares of that quality shingles!
My father told me that back in 40’s or 50’s Northern California when he was logging after WW11 you could hire a roofer he’d come out with a keg of nails fall the proper size cedar tree split shingle’s on the spot and roof you shack…
Beautiful old growth!
in the early 70s in Northern Calif, I stopped in a small mill and watched them do this with only 4 men. They split blanks off the log with a froe and mallet, and cut the blank diagonal on the band saw by hand, no guides. I asked the boss what makes him different than the large companies and he said "more guys." this shows this is true, with some mass production thrown in.
Thanks for posting that amazing video!
That's some crazy equipment you guys have there. Awesome video.
All those beautiful cedar arrows that could have been.
I lot a middle finger sawing shingles in Oregon. Also sawer a lot of shakes before automation in Skagit County. Hurn Shingle and Clear lake Wa
Not easy labor! Thank you shinglers!
Would love to have a few loads of those for my old barn roof repair
Great video my dad did a lot of shakes in San Marino, California .
Probably more then just San Marino I remember as a kid they put lots of shake roofs on..shingles/medium shakes and heavy shakes felt liners going up into the attics and seeing daylight everywhere but never a leak and the smell after it rained the smell of wet cedar
God bless those hardworking men
Amen, Teri! Respect from the UK.
that noise at 1:07 is so rewarding lol
This amazes me
EXACTLY WHICH PART OF THIS VIDEO SHOW ANY THING TO DO WITH "HAND-SPLIT SHAKES"?????
Troubles my heart to hear the initial log entering the mill referred to as "Big." Don't get me wrong, it's awesome to see that quality taper wood is still available. It's just that I reminisce of the old days of the late 1970's early 80's on the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State. I recall rolling single bolts as big around as that log. The grain was so tight and clean all I needed was a standard splitting axe to pop those giant bolts into managable sized blocks to fit the fly slings. The mill had their own trucks and crew waiting at the landing to load and take the cedar to mill as quick as the helicopter dropped. If they didn't there were plenty of mills in the area that would. Those were the days.. At least in the lower 48.
I never worked in the mill but if not for the mills I would have gone broke. Thanks for awakening memories of from the best days of my life.
Shame that we cut all the old growth in our country.
Decent looking heavyset...
Amazing process a lost art.
good afternoon. Great production. Where are such machines sold?
Wow, amazing! I know these are for shakes, but would lumber produced this way be of higher quality (e.g. less warp, etc) compared to regular sawmill lumber?
At that shop they never have heard of NOSA? or it is a film -before - that time?
Na ovj način predlažem prozvodnju parketnih friza od hrastovog drveta na području Jahorine i Romanije. Naime, u pravilu starija debla završavaju kao ogrev, a imaju izvarednu cjepljivost i predodređena su za obradu bez strugotine u drugoj operaciji posle kraćenja na dužinu i izbacivanja kvrgavih dijelova.
We need about 50 squares of your hand split shakes... shipped to the Adirondacks of eastern NY? I'll PM you...
I wonder how many accidents are reported in this place...
I wish Texas had big cedar trees, all we have is scrub cedar
schlaznger Everything is BIG in TeXaS !!
3.02 agarra-parte-selecciona-tira-pone........creo que termina agotado.. jijiji
and what do they use that wood for? I ignore it, I live in the end of the world, Patagonia Argentina. Thank you
Ernesto Zato Hello Ernesto - these cedar shakes are used for roofing!
@@woodroofguy Ahhhh! I understand !!! Now I understand, it is something that in South America is not used ..... Thank you very much for responding !!!! I look forward to more anxious videos. regards
@@ernozato In the last step they recut on a diagonal.
Without doing that, and I have no doubt I'll be corrected if I have it wrong, a piece of cedar like that can be used for grilling, usually fish, salmon inparticular, on the BBQ.
You could try this with some of that fantastic beef you have.
The wood protects what you are cooking and imparts flavour to the meat.
Is this Watkins sawmill?
Outside of Mission BC
Really interesting thanks. Isn't some of the equipment a bit dangerous with out safety guards?
/watch?v=B3HBfj423cc
michelesouris DIY who pick up a saw on a weekend need protecting from themselves... these are pros. They will be fine, as long as you leave them alone.
What are shakes used for?
Roofing
Roofing with 18" 30# felt rolled out at 10" exposure
Also used as siding on New England style traditional homes. Cape Cod style I think it's called.
@@foamer443 Cheers! thank you
I have sawn for years on and off. all these bleeding hearts with their talk about danger and gaurds need to understand that you are more likely to get hit by a car than a sawyer is to get whacked doing his highly skilled job. It comes down to taken risks and being good at what you do. If you can't cook fish with out burning it, DON'T cook fish.
My dad was a shingle sawyer for thirty years, he was lucky to only have lost his pinky finger. The majority of other sawyer who had worked in the timber industry had lost more important appendages.
i need 40 sq of cedar
Thats a hard way to make a living !
am i the only one thats scared of bandsaws
Hmmm did not see one split by hand
and no taper
Круто, но опасное производство.
Мы в России делаем
Not as finesse as artisans, but very productive
+MN-14 Howdy - thanks for your comment! You are correct - not very artisanal, but very productive. This is the mainstay of production methods in the industry. :-)
This can't be OSHA approved
Of course it's osha approved. They wouldn't be operating if it wasn't. All the necessary safety gear and precautions are being used and followed it looks like from the video. There was nothing inherently unsafe about what was shown in the video and how they were using the machines, you can clearly see failsafes being utilized in all the machines so that the guys won't get hurt.
что делает сам незнает и на доски разделочные даже не похоже
that looks like a good way to lose a finger or arm.... eventually one would make a human error.
Alot of waste
хрень какая то( в чем глубокий смысл так и не объяснили( судя по видео тупой перевод сырья в отходы.
OMG! This is a health and safety nightmare. No guards, sparse protective clothing, no dust masks and only a few are even wearing hardhats. That guy on the bandsaw is just mental. This is like something out of a victorian sweatshop. I am shocked! Truly shocked by this.
cliveywiveywoo lmao how would u put a guard around a bandsaw blade and still use it lmao
Easily
cliveywiveywoo Hard to believe my dad did the diagonal cuts by hand for 50 years until age 75 and never got cut once.
You don't need guards. Saws are very safe just don't touch the sharp parts
Your just as dumb and most people these days. We are skilled at what we do. We don’t need your opinion. I’m sure you have no idea how to do anything manual. Except type on your keyboard. But by all means please tell us how we aren’t working safely. I’m sure you know exactly how to do it.
Man I wish they would outlaw cedar shake roofs. Such a shame to see such beautiful lumber used so unnecessarily.
As an oil worker I agree. Let's stop using renewable resources like wood to cover dwellings. I think tar and grit is superior in look and durability in most climates anyway. Maybe pap Elon can make us cedar solar panels then the bees and whales will win. Until then I'm just going to keep grilling salmon on "beautiful lumber" like these planks and let the "science" protestors worry about which things we have to stop using and why.
Dude.... give me a break. You would rather see the trees die and just rot away into nothing???? Because that is exactly what would happen if the wood wasn't being used!! All trees die. And we NEED to be using as much of them as possible instead of just wasting them by letting rot on the ground.
These jobs beg for a robotics engineer to automate the entire mill top to dangerous bottom.
the robots won't sue you when they cut off a finger and won't need to wear double hearing protection.
Dangerous, boring and hazardous to your health, this is the robotic replacement trifecta.
Purley a click bait title just to get views and youtube bucks. Will never click on anything from this channel again.
@raljame Thank you for your comments. The trade name for these products is "Handsplit & Resawn Shakes." I agree that the shake blanks are split with a knife attached to a hydraulic ram. This is how 99.9% of these shakes are manufactured in the industry and have been for many, many decades.
Please follow the link below to the website for the Cedar Shake & Shingle Bureau. They have been the association of member mills that has been the driving for of the industry for over 100 years. This link, in particular, takes you to the product page for Handsplit & Resawn shakes.
www.cedarbureau.org/product-types/certi-split-handsplit-resawn-shakes/
I have been in the industry for 35 years and would be happy to answer any questions you have. Thank you.
@raljame If you would like to see hand-split tapered shakes, I invite you to watch this video. This is me splitting up a special order for a restoration project in NY state. I hope you enjoy the video. Thanks again.
czcams.com/video/-nwXRChPmyw/video.html