Still sucks tho, in that if this is true, that means Ripley and Newt are still floating aimlessly thru space, not yet truly found…. Hopefully they will be found someday….
It is so utterly unbelievable that someone like Ripley would go into hypersleep without scouring every inch of the Sulaco for aliens and eggs. Not to mention the ship's computer is capable, as you'd expect, of detecting alien life aboard. The writers are telling me she didn't run a single scan?
Yeah, in the opening scene of Alien 3, it appears to be stuck to the wall in a brightly lit maintenance corridor. It looks like it would have been an easy find. A flamethrower shot later, problem is solved. No matter what crazy way it was placed there, it is still a stretch that it wouldn't have been found. Fortunately, it was all just one of Ripley's bad dreams. 🤣
I mean, supposing Ripley found out it was there before going into cryo, nothing would work in getting rid of it. Torch it, the ship gets set on fire and the pod gets ejected the same way. Blast it, it melts the hull and they very likely die. Eject it, she'd have to approach to cut the eggs off the ground and risk get infected. The truth is that as soon as the ship took off the ground, they were all doomed from the start. I don't blame Bishop 'cuz he was probably in too much of a hurry and we have seen that xenomorphs can still attack synthetics.
Well in her eyes the mother ship never touched the ground and the alien wouldn't have had time to lay an egg, so the odds were extremely against it happening yet it happened somehow
@@radrno7 It wouldn't melt through the hull that much, that's a huge ship. The Nostromo had acid melt through a few floor decks but that was it, the ship was fine, and everybody didn't die (at least until the alien killed them off). I think they would've been fine if she blasted it. The flamethrower scenario..... eh, Ripley could've overridden the computer to where it wouldn't eject the pod and she could've put the fire out very quickly.
I could see Bishop being programmed, just like Ash in the previous movie, to bring back specimens of the aliens to the company. He also conveniently had time to get the egg during the time he was crawling through the pipe and going to the contact tower.
I don't buy it either; the time differentiation of going to the Sulaco and getting back to the processing station in time to save Ripley and Newt is too long, even for an android, besides, he would have had to go inside the processor to get an egg, Ripley would have seen him and he couldn't have known where to look for one....
alex ives well duh they needed an egg to make a story. its hard to make another alien movie without alien eggs after audiences just saw the queen killed and the eggs toasted, then exploded by the reactor going off
Vamatti They did not need an egg to make a story. A single facehugger would have sufficed like in the original movie. I could also think up a lot more reasons for an egg to be there with just my imagination. They just added an egg there without explanation either due to time/budget constraints or plain laziness.
I always thought that “Alien 3” basically takes away everything Ripley gained in “Aliens”. We know that Hicks and Newt died horrible deaths-and it follows that the new trust she had placed in the Bishop android would also be destroyed by having him (possibly unwittingly) bring an alien egg aboard the ship.
Also, although speculated earlier in the film about a queen. They didn't know where or if a queen or a huge amount of eggs even existed until Ripley found them. I don't think Ripley contacted Bishop at all after she went out to find Newt. So I don't see how he could have pulled all this off.
I've always been more concerned with how no one noticed the egg. Granted, Hicks and Bishop were incapacitated and Newt was only a kid, but surely Ripley would think to check for further threats. And even if she somehow missed it, you'd think the Sulaco's computer would be able to detect for such a thing!
Unless Bishop or the company itself knowing Ripley would check programmed the computer to give a false negative. Meaning the only way Ripley could truly know for sure would be to do a painstaking manual search throughout the entire ship which I don't think even she could do. That could take months and even if she did there is a strong chance she wouldn't have found the egg in time to stop anything from happening.
That's a classic movie cliché that nobody double-checks or has no clue about their surroundings. Even the idea that Queen managed to sneak in and stab Bishop in brightly lit room was kind of "yeah right" moment. Now, to people not happy with Alien 3 premise... The nearly filmed competing script had the same issue in which Queen managed to lay a developing mini egg in BISHOP and from there the mayhem develops...
@username checks out Yeah, creatives went wild I guess... Makes no sense in the DNA stealing part since android has no DNA. Biomech part makes more sense in the concept of alien adapting and eating shit, pipes and such.
Sure after having skipped sleep for a week and battling the queen before planet explodes, Ripley makes a minute search for eggs and solves a few soduko before going into cruyo. C’mon
+1000000 on that! Bring Ripley, Hicks and Newt BACK!!! Supposedly James Cameron himself is trying to revive the project so I'm hopeful, he's definitely a man who has some sway given the major $ his movies have made, not to mention the recent success of the Halloween semi-reboot has shown direct sequels that ignore previous ones are capable of succeeding.
Kent Darden Lazy? No. Just because the film doesn't care to hold your hand with a strict explanation doesn't make it lazy. They simply ask you to accept it. And Aliens fanboys can't handle thinking for themselves.
I’m of the theory that it was laid there by the queen. The way it’s suspended from the ceiling (?) and attached to the fixture would suggest it was put there without consideration for the facehugger inside. Only the queen would know that the egg could be suspended from its side and furthermore actually attach it to the fixture with its secreted resin. Had it been a human/ android who placed it there, it would have been on the ground in an upright position.
Bishop spent a load of time studying a facehugger (on behalf of the Company) whilst on LV-426. If - by that point in time - science has fully decoded the human genome and all castes of the Xenomorph species share the same DNA traits, it could’ve applied such knowledge (stored in his cybernetic brain) to gain a full understanding of the species. The angle the egg was affixed to a surface at could possibly be a combination of: 1) Bishop having limited time to conceal the egg; and 2) Bishop needing to find the optimum spot for it to trigger the release of the facehugger when all crew were later in cryo-stasis. Absolutely Bishop. Conspicuously not at the platform, having been ordered to stay close for extraction. Hicks conspicuously unconscious (to the close of the film), with him having backed Ripley with the order to Bishop. How long was Ripley in the nest extracting Newt (with scenes having been cut)? How long did it take for them to return to the Sulaco following the extraction before the site went thermonuclear? Could have even returned to the Sulaco before he rendezvoused with Hicks and Ripley (before the retrieval mission). Might not be what James Cameron intended, might not be what David Giler and Walter Hill intended but there is enough ambiguity in both films to make this the most plausible explanation of what happened. The crew got fucked by the robot in Alien. The crew got fucked by the robot (again) in Aliens - only the Company made the “Bishop” model more amiable than the “Ash” model.
@@robt4390 - Go back and rewatch the scene where Bishop states Asimov's first two Laws of Robotics, during the meal before they leave the Sulaco for the first time. "I am unable to harm, or by omission allow harm, to a human being." It wasn't Bishop. It took 50 MINUTES for the dropship to reach the Sulaco, based on Bishop saying it took that long for the 2nd dropship's flight from the Sulaco to LC-426. Plenty of time for the queen to lay another couple of eggs (yes, my opinion is that she laid at least two on the way up), and secure them somewhere. LV-426 didn't have an atmosphere in Alien 1; therefore the eggs do not "die" without what we would consider breathable air. Heck, the very fact that the queen made it onto the Sulaco argues that the xenomorphs themselves can survive vacuum for a least short periods of time. (That's a scary thought - the first film's xenomorph floating around in space until it found a ship to latch onto, if it hadn't been fried when Ripley caught it in the engine blast.)
@@rgoodwin1810 So if Ash was able to state a hippocratic oath, that means the model must’ve malfunctioned? Don’t trust a word that comes out of Bishop’s mouth. He was programmed to study the Xenomorph species - THAT is the only thing we know for sure. He is NOT a person, he is a programmable piece of hardware and (more so than Burke) subject to the whims of the Company.
I've always happily accepted my own personal theory. When the acid dropped in front of Bishop at the end of Aliens, that wasn't blood, that was embryonic fluid from her ripped egg sack. Due to environmental conditions, the egg grew like a fungal spore on the deck below where it had originally burnt through. Kind of ties in to Alien 1979's deleted scene whereby the eggs could be grown from hosts in a decomposing fungal-like manner. It works well enough for me. They're aliens. One simple camera pan over that floor-hole during the opening montage would have cemented it for me as being a perfectly reasonable explanation.
@@kjhuang I never said it was growing from the floor, I said it was growing from the ceiling of the deck below (which appears to be a maintenance corridor), a bit like the pen scene in the original Alien; in my imagination having grown from where the queen's embryonic fluids had burned through the floor of the hangar above.
Or alternately show the egg in a location where it could conceivably have been missed (say inside the dropship's landing gear that the queen emerges from). I can buy the queen grabbing an egg to take with her like this video theorizes, it's just showing it randomly stuck on a wall inside the Sulaco that bothers me.
out of all of them, the only one I come close to believing is weyland somehow planned it, I mean, after all they wanted to turn the aliens into bio weapons
The only problem with that theory would be "why didnt the facehuggers attack during the hanger fight sequence or before the survivors entered the hypersleep pods?"
One detail about Bishop, he wasn't programmed by the company, he was programmed by the Colonial Marines Corps. Yes he was created by the company but he was shipped to the Colonial Marines Corps and programmed with the different parameters than the Aperdin 120-A2 (Hash) of the Nostromo who wasn't programmed to protect humans but to obey the company's orders. Furthermore the Bishop models are programmed with a safety feature that shutdown the android if he attacks or by his fault let someone or something hurts a human as he explain it himself in Aliens in the meal scene after he did the knife trick to Hudson. Since Fox already announced a movie featuring Hicks and Ripley i think it's safe to say that Alien 3 and 4 are no longer cannon.
i want Alien 3 to be cannon, i think it fits very well into the franchise, boohoo newt and hicks died but the xenomorphs are all about doom and gloom and Alien 3 had it in droves which i loved, its rare to live if a xenomorph is among humans
(I thought) Alien 3 was okay. BUT, the only way to keep Alien 3 is as a glorified nightmare, for Ripley to wake up from after she dies in the dream. We can't keep Ripley, Hicks, and especially Newt, any other way, and there is no reasonable way to continue the franchise after Aliens without those characters. Alien: Resurrection is garbage, and should absolutely have nothing to do with any future Alien media.
Glad I'm not the only one that didn't care much about Newt and Hicks dying. I liked 3 better than 2, it kept in line the same feeling as number 1. It only seems right to me that it would end with Ripley sacrificing herself to kill this creature that had consumed her life.
My mom and I actually cried in theater when we learned that hicks and newt died after all they went through to survive. I just didn’t think it was fair. So I’m pretending they are all floating around asleep.
I guess I'm the only one who thinks Hicks was a bad character. Boring, too much of a pu**y for that dirty marines team and with bad, boring lines. I didn't mind him dying at all. An example of a well-played character who I want to see more: 'Morse' from Alien3 (Assembly cut ofcourse).
I specifically remember an interview in a magazine released just after alien 3 where the writer point blank said they didn't know how the egg got there. They started filming with the intention to go back and fix this up, but it just never happened.
But they were too dumb to realise they could have just cut the egg out and it would have been fine - facehuggers were attached to the queen and ran out when the dropship landed in the hangar. It makes perfect sense... they could have just left the egg out... so dumb :D
Aliens 3 and 4 aren't "hypersleep nightmares", they're just regular nightmares. In Aliens, there's the scene where Burke is trying to convince Ripley to help him, and he brings up all the nightmares she has, and how confronting all this might help her. In fact, the movie practically starts with Ripley having nightmares of having a chest burster in her. Remember the scene in the hospital with Burke and the cat? Burke was wrong about confronting her fears: she still has those bad dreams, and 3 and 4 are feature length looks at those dreams.
Hawl 9000, I'm glad someone agrees, because the most plausible, realistic way in which to bring Ripley back without getting more and more fantastical in an effort to build of 3 and 4 is to make those movies looks into Ripley's nightmares. And the funny thing about it is that if you do a bit of research on dream symbology; being stuck on a prison planet; with no weapons with no way to escape; with a bunch of men who'd as soon kill you as rape; and the inability to convince anyone of what's coming their way; these are all variation on dream symbology. * Being incarcerated or trapped can signify the person feels trapped or unable to move beyond a certain point. * The inability to escape suggests a feeling of helplessness. * Seeing killers in a dream suggests losing of oneself. * Being ignored in a dream suggests there's something you're avoiding in real life. Quite literally, based on what's known of the character Ellen Ripley, real psychology can explain away both Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection as dreams, and that's something I very much wished would happen, because regardless of how entertaining those two movies might have been, neither one does the Alien story any justice.
also the 'bishop betrayal' scenario could easily be Ripley's subconscious recalling past events (ash in alien) as she makes it clear she has a distrust of androids, and the fact that hicks and newt die could be her subconscious again mirroring past events, as previously anyone close to her has died
that and the whole alien queen impregnation scenario seems to be an updated version of her previous nightmares seen in aliens, and the scene in alien resurrection where Ripley finds the failed cloning experiments is very similar to the cuccoon scene in alien, suggesting Ripley's subconscious is again mirroring previous experiences with other similar possible scenarios
I got it!! Fox Studios was in desperate need of money. They banked heavily on an Alien sequel. They took creative control away from the revolving door of producers and directors. And ended up with an overly edited, subpar, plot holes sequel. That's how the alien got on the ship (lol)!!
Let's just all forget the alien movies past Aliens. They're a nightmare of Ripley, her last, before she reaches Earth with Newt and Hicks and they live like normal people for the rest of their lives. With the camera footage of the marines which they leak to media, they inform the population of the existence of Xenomorphs and popular demand forces the military to scourge the planet where they were found and destroy all specimens. The story is over. This is what I initially thought would happen after watching Aliens, but alas.
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Hey, was the queen she puts the eggs inside the ship, she can carry more thant 6 eggs inside her before lay in the tube to well organize in the places she wants, but without the tube thing, she just drop in the floor and can grab with her "hands" and put in a wall or hide in any place. Its so simple, if you pay attention in the tube the queen use to lay eggs, have more than 6 eggs traveling inside to be put in the floor. The exact moment she did that was when ripley goes inside the cargo bay to get the loader. Aliens never fail to keep their lineage o/
@@NazgulFireblade So, the queen placed it in the subflooring of the hangar when she was grabbing at Newt. You might've solved it. Cuz it looks like it could be under that steel-grate flooring when you see it in Alien 3.
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Some good theories - however, my biggest annoyance with the 'egg on the sulaco' is if we ignore that the egg somehow got into the ship somehow despite it all being seal up before and during the fight with the queen, how did the facehugger know where the hosts were?The Facehugger like the alien drone use senses to 'see' as it has no eyes. Pheromones & heat are the general perception of how it see's it's prey - yet Ripley and Newt were in cryo tubes that are completely airtight (no pheromones) and cool the body down to almost freezing so they would give off no more heat than a piece of equipment on standby.Anyone ??
Clearly, the script writers didn't thought much about this face huggers physical technical details. And being about a military ship which by design equipped with many sensors not less the alien lifeform sensors to boot.
What if Weyland Yutani had the ships programmed for that? To not inform crew about the xenomorphs and only to the company? What if when Ripley was getting into cryo, the egg was still hatching?
@@radrno7 ok the company may have programed the ship but what about Ripley ? After what she went through you expect me to belive she didnt sweep the whole damn ship for a hitchhiker alien egg ? AT ALL? Really ? Also why anyone would want a virus like alien to study anyway ? Clearly you cant control it or reason with it only a dead one is simpler to study , i love the franchise minus 3-4 and covenent , prometheus was ok (dumb but ok had a nice feel only to be destroyed by the sequal ) , anyway i love the franchise but its sometimes dumb for plot
True, but they weren’t dead. Their systems were cooled and slowed down gradually. From the perspective of a completely cold blooded creature they’d still pick up a heat signature. I keep tarantulas and believe me they are capable of finding even the minimalist sources of heat that humans wouldn’t register when they are too cold.
Bishop and only Bishop did it. I'm 100% sure in it. His words "It always was with us" only proved it. Other explanation - another Xenomorph put that egg there
+irina1296 Agree, it had to happen somehow as plot device.The crew had to end up on the Furina 161, plus Ripley had to get impregnated secreatly offscreen for the late shocking reveal and this is the way they chose to do it. It's a wobbly bridge that gets viewers to the other side of the plot.
Bene I dont see why people so hung up on the egg you have to use ur imagination and there is nothing wrong with that all movies are subjective they are what you make them
I have come to the same conclusion,The words "It always was with us ALL THE WAY"means it came with them from the start,i suspect Burke in fact was acting on his own interests,he thought no one knew about these creatures thought he could get rich,he was unaware the company had already found out about them,TAKEN them back ,,,Somewhere,this ,.....group was likely worried Burke/Ripley (as they knew her views) was going to mess up there little plan,,,project,so hid the egg in sealed locked room,that was programmed to open only on return trip to earth(someplace)wipe out any survivors,Bishop was programmed to oversee it all...Likely unsealed the door before return hyper-sleep.
How...? What's the point of the Company already having the eggs on the ship throughout the entirety of Aliens, if they come in at the end of Alien 3 (led by the founder himself) as if the thing Ripley has is the LAST alien left and must be preserved at any cost, anyway? It obviously wouldn't warrant that much attention from the Company if they already had a ready supply of eggs (at least enough of them that they can apparently just leave 2 randomly about on the Sulaco before the mission even started) Not only that, but then the WY team of commandos somehow know full well what they're dealing with (acid proof and facehugger blocking suits, etc.), as if they do have records of aliens and have some specimens already (as if to suggest that they *could* have had eggs to put on the Sulaco), but they can't possibly know anything if all the aliens were killed on Acheron, and it's, again, the LAST alien they're trying to get (that's *why* they're there, BUT if they're there, then they have no reason to be there in such force, with one of the guys who founded the Company himself). Does that make sense? It's just a classic example of circular logic that we can't get around unless someone goes back and changes Aliens (the film) in some way, to make Alien 3 make sense. Moreover, how does Bishop do anything along the lines of opening some door to let the facehuggers out, or plant the eggs on the Sulaco in some proximity to the stasis pods, if he got torn in half as soon as he stepped off that dropship and is now *without* legs, and put in hypersleep soon after. And if it was a warrior/facehugger who snuck along with the Queen, then it would have no reason to not just attack once Ripley was the only one still awake.
Don't agree that all movies are subjective , many are with strict plots without need for additional work from audience. Anyway iam sure you could come up with better not so holey beginning. Imagination am i right?
It is made clear that the derelict has thousands of eggs and the blast is only good for about 30 miles according to the film. They make it clear in the special edition that the ship is further out than the colony so there is another chance for the company to get the eggs as they are still in the Derelict.
I read reports that both Sigourney Weaver and Michael Bein had signed on for ALIEN 5 (which leads credance to my theory that ALIEN 3 and ALIEN 4 were hyper-sleep dreams experienvced by Ripley) but once ALIEN: COVENANT began development, that Fox shelved the ALIEN 5 project indefinately.
J De thank god. Alien 3 was great. Alien Resurrection was a bad alien film but a very fun film nonetheless. I wouldn't mind the 4th being decanonized but Alien 3 was perfect. Fuck Neil Blomkamps alien. He has only made one good movie. What makes you think he will do good with Alien?
Alien 3 was a mistake. I like it too as a self contained Movie. But it ruined the series and kind of paved the way for Resurrection. Ripleys character arc was over after Aliens. I hope Covenant and Alien 5 gets things back on track.
daveruda You honestly expect Alien 5 to even be better than Resurrection? Alien Resurrection had a far more talent director than Alien 5 does. Neil Blomkamp is a fucking hack, and people need to get over Newt and Hicks being killed off. Aliens was great, but it completely did not understand what the original film was. They took a film that's a analogy of rape, childbirth, and sexual trauma and made it into a James Cameron, depthless, actionfest. Had those two characters survived, there would be no horror left in a the franchise. Isolating Ripley after losing everyone she ever meets, impregnating her with a queen Alien while stranded in a male only prison filled with rapists and murderers? It also expanded the universe vastly. Ripley dying in the last film was a great way to end the trilogy. We don't need a talentless hack who has only made one good film, attempt at this franchise again. Especially since the franchise is starting to glimmer hope again after Prometheus. Stop fucking bringing Ripley. There is much more to the universe than Sigourney Weaver. If you disagree with that last statement then you are not an alien fan. Which I don't like to say because it's an asshole statement but it's true. You just don't get Alien at all if you disagree.
I don't disagree with that last statement (I wouldn't mind seeing some Colonial Marine action outside of fighting Xenomorphs), but I *know* Alien 5 would be better than Resurrection and Prometheus. Neil Blomkamp is a great visual director. If there's a good writing team involved, I'd say it's golden.
Yes. The nightmare narrative. Most importantly, the ending itself of ALIEN3, makes the endings of both ALIEN and ALIENS where Ripley escapes in them pointless. So, ALIEN3 has to be a dream in order to save the importance of the first two movies endings.
Rachelyoubish: I agree. The franchise ended with Aliens. Alien 3 and, ewwwww, Alien Resurrection, in my opinion, don't exist. Oh and don't get me started on those horrible, horrible Alien versus Predator movies!
RVL480 Van Alien³ is misunderstood I think the bluray assembly cut it awesome its a depressing but necessary end to the franchise it rips you from safety of hicks and the xenomorph is a crazy primal killer unlike the intelligence of the original xenos
Rachelyoubish If you disregard Alien 3 as canon just because your beloved characters were killed off. Then you're a moron. Killing Newt and Hicks was the only way to continue the franchise and have even a sense of horror and isolation and sexuality
I hadn't heard of the "hypersleep nightmare", but I very much like that idea. I really didn't care for Aliens 3, and basically only consider Alien and Aliens to be "cinema reality" for the show. It makes more sense than really stretching the believe-ability of having an egg be aboard the ship.
I always thought that when Bishop left the landing pad, the company had been in contact with him in order to get him to secure a sample. That's why Bishop tried to save Newt, Hicks and Ripley as incubators. Bishop may not have even known he did it.
@@Kriegsman41 nah, no really... complete bullshit on ALL levels to suggest that Ripley would have gone to hypersleep without doing a full inspection of all of the nooks and crannies near the docking bay. It is literally the stupidest possible explanation possible... one that expects adults to behave like two year olds and be willing to pretend that paranoid-as-hell Ellen Ripley, right after having one of their queens on board, would not go around to do a super anal inspection... but just casually go right to sleep. We all called bullshit when we first saw the flick in the theater and we still to this day call bullshit. Alien3 is a terrible film based upon a terrible script. There is no need to try and defend it - and if you understand the "committee nature" of the production you'd have no choice but to agree... the scripts they considered were all really shit compared to the Dark Horse comics. Too bad Sigourney didn't fight such a terrible script - she was the lone individual who may have been able to fight using that shit script... but alas she did not. Also, any plot that asserts they had magically been boarded and an egg left there... also bullshit.
@@chouseification Exactly. Ripley would have done multiple sweeps of the whole ship, no doubt. She probably would not have gone into hyper-sleep for months.
I actually enjoyed alien 3 after seeing it the second time. Absolutely agree with a bishop role after seeing the androids dazed look while dissecting. Queen had nothing to do with it. Great video!
I enjoyed Alien 3 for what it is. I think the mysterious egg was just part of the troubled production and unfinished script of the plot is why there’s no explanation on how it got there. I honestly just ignore the so-called sequel to Aliens video game since it doesn’t make any sense at all, and just believe that it was either or both the Alien Queen and Bishop that managed to get the egg or eggs aboard the ship. The Queen could easily save an egg or two and stored them on her back, and since Bishop was still owned by the company, he could have managed to secretly steal an egg from the hive. That’s just my theory.
There were two Bishops - one main and the other for redundancy. It is common practice for missions to have multiple backup systems. Bishop II activated to retrieve the eggs from the derelict ship using the second EEV and properly sequestered on board the Sulaco before returning to fetch Ripley.
I'll buy that possibility, but the problem I find is that no one ever saw a 2nd. synthetic aboard the Sulaco. It makes sense to not leave the ship completely unmanned, even if the man is not a man, but we never saw that. Speculation & theory is what you propose. Aliens left us without proof.
Jan P. Alien 3 is a fitting end, apart from this plot hole it's a decent movie. But i agree it could have been different. Everything after however is trash.
Rish Fish I am not big on extended universe either, only thing I hold in higher regard in alien 3 is the dog alien, it's another original design (although Giger was never credited for it, bastard left him out) and it is (contrary to popular belief) the only alien that can actually walk on the walls and ceiling, original aliens were never depicted walking on the walls or ceiling as flies, they were crawling all over the wall in their hive because their biomass served as climbing medium, just like humans climb on climbing walls, and in the operating centre in the last stand scene when they were crawling throught the ventilation, they were so squeezed together that some of them walked head down but that doesn't mean they have sticky feet, yet everybody takes it as fact, never understood why
alien was designed by Giger, directed by Ridley Scott, second movie was directed by james cameron and aliens were again designed by Giger, the rest had nothing to do with the original idea or the original creators, I couldn't care less what aliens do in videogames or comic books, first two movies are what counts (some would stretch it to the third and fourth movie) nothing more
Jan P. Think Alien3 was the last proper Alien movie which respected the lore, i know Prometheus was directed by Scott and designed by Giger, but that movie was a mess and didn't make much sense, maybe Covenent will provide answers. But i think as far as canon goes Alien 1-3 are consistent
If Bishop was able to get an Egg onboard the Suloco before returning to Ripley on the surface then why even return to the surface? He could cryogenically freeze the egg than go into hypersleep himself and just FU to Ripley and Newt. Sorry I don't buy it. I think Alien 3 and Resurrection are just hypersleep nightmares.
Alexander Barnes :-) I don't find Alien3 to be a worthy sequel thematically, but it has a good atmosphere, and visually ties in with the universe perfectly. However, after everything Ripley went through to save Newt, and after witnessing hundreds of Aliens, a cavern full of eggs, a hulking Queen matriarch, the film just doesn't cut it. And Alien Resurrection is some superhero comic book comedy aberration skinned as an alien film. A cloned super Ripley with memories? This is Aliens, not Buffy!
They never called in Ridley and the 20th Century studios was eager to keep cashing in on 'alien', so they set forth a mandate without putting together time to properly go about it. It's all documented and still the poor zealots go for this grueling produced studio slop. ROTFLMAO
Aside from that there wouldnt have been enough time. Bishop says earlier on in the film that it would take around 50mins flight time for the second drop ship to reach the planet surface, and was less than 20mins from when he dropped off Ripley and later on rescued her. Then there's the time needed to land, place the egg in a secure location, etc, etc.. a ship aint like a car you can just brake, jump out, do your thing, jump back in, switch on the ignition and away you go lol
Loved the dissection. I never really gave it much thought apart from 'yeah right, they needed a sequel, somehow'. The fact they made an official game that includes an explanation implies the writers knew mistakes had been made and further explanation was required. Personally, I like the idea that the queen keeps her 1st 'queen' egg on her body along with a 'runt' (it must be something we haven't seen yet) to act as a servant, thus giving their species a greater chance of survival if threatened.
All other alien movies after Aliens are hyper sleep dreams. When Ripley says “I had a terrible dream in hyper sleep” in Alien 3, that’s a clue that it’s really a dream. Alien and Aliens are masterpieces.
You really owe it to yourself to see the "Alien 3 Special Edition"............It's about 40 minutes longer, answers soooooo many of your questions and is actually an incredible film. If they would have released this film, instead of the theatrical cut, it wouldn't have been looked down on and considered such a failure.
@@REB4444 I do not disagree with you on that point. I was only saying that if you want an enjoyable, well made, superior film than what was released to the theater the Special Edition is it.
I own a LaserDisc-to-VHS transfer of the Aliens SE (I got it from a neighbor whom worked at a comic book shop and passed it down to me, as my family didn't have a LD player), and at the very end of the credits, you can hear an egg sack opening up. I don't think the sound effect made it to the DVD Quadrilogy / BR Alien Anthology versions. Still doesn't answer HOW the egg got there, but Cameron was thinking it.
Way late, but a little correction. The body in Hick's cryopod wasn't a doppelganger according to the Colonial Marines DLC. It was one of the PMC mercs that was thrown into the pod during Hick's initial escape from the Sulaco. Personally, even though the game failed on almost every aspect due to the well documented issues from it's development, I did enjoy the story, and found that it did resolve a lot of unanswered questions from the gap between Aliens and Alien 3. I was also glad to see that Hick's did end up surviving as he was one of my favorite characters from the film.
I always assumed the Queen laid an egg on the drop ship en route. It makes the most sense, that a Queen in desperation lays a Royal egg to help ensure the survival of her line. One argument is that Queen / Royal facehuggers can implant two embryos: The Queen embryo and a Drone to help protect and serve its queen during the developmental stages.
Newt is one of my favorite characters & her death was bullshit. Why did they bother having Ripley go through all that trouble of saving & protecting Newt if they were just going to kill her off at the beginning of the next sequel? It's a waste of character usage.
Just because you don't like it does not make it wasteful or bad. It's just another page in the story book. Don't look at it as anymore than that. She died just like all other characters in the films. Her fate was sealed from the very beginning when her story was written into the lore.
I couldn't agree more. Alien 3 was supposed to center around Hicks and the Colonial Marines. Newt was going to live with her grandparents. Ripley was a nonfactor. The original script has been online for years. As far as the facehugger goes, wouldn't the Sulaco have sensors on board. In Alien, they had Mother. Aliens was 50 years later, on a military ship no less.... You would think they had the technology to make sure the ship is 'clean.' I guess Weaver couldn't turn down a paycheck regardless of a pathetic script.
I was thinking that Spunkmeyer and Ferro took two eggs back to the Sulaco. Spunkmeyer is seen loading goods in- asks "Do you need anything else?Bishop - eventually replays No. it was also Bishop who tells them all "2 are alive the rest are dead" Two face huggers and maybe two eggs. Undisclosed. Kept sealed instasis. Unwittingly taken by Spunkmeyer and Ferro.
I like the theory that Bishop took it up while claiming the platform was unstable, but earlier in Aliens, when asked how long it would take to remote pilot the other shuttle, he says "One hour to patch in and align the antenna. Thirty minutes to prep the ship, then about fifty minutes flight time." It would have taken him about 100 minutes to fly to the Sulaco and back, not including the time it took to stow the egg onboard.
The Alien 3 alternate script explains this within the first chapter. The Aliens alternate script also explains how a second egg (that we see in the Alien 3 movie) comes to be and also explains the presence of the alien drone found on the Sulaco in the Alien 3 alternate script.
With the 2 facehugger theory, I was always under the impression that there were 2 different types of Facehuggers, the standard one and a queen one that carried not only a standard alien embryo but also a queen. Having said that, I think i prefer the idea of a hypersleep nightmare and also having said that, I don't consider the new movies live Covenant and Prometheus to be canon.
I just found this. And let me tell you, it brings me joy to find someone who can understand the beauty behind this and not just look at them as horror movies. Very nice pace and good music, you're done an exceptional work. I'd love to see your personal opinion in each of the movies, you seem to be a good person to give that insight.
In the Alien lore, there's an alien type called "Carriers", who were fearsome, as they used to literally carry facehuggers on their backs, ready to jump on their enemies. I personally think the Queen didn't lay an egg on the Sulaco (as shown previously, she would probably require an ovipositor, then again maybe not) , but rather she carried a facehugger on her back at some point and left it on the Sulaco as a plan B. The Queen was all about the survival of her species. She never underestimated her enemies. It is not unlikely that she proceeded that way, and even gave the facehugger special instructions to remain hidden until the time was right. I personally think this is the most believable theory about what really happened.
Unless an actual movie is made revealing that Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection were dreams then they are in fact canon. As to how the egg got on the Sulaco I believe it was an emergency egg (or last egg stored within the Queen's body itself and not in her egg sac) that she laid on the drop ship she was in. I also believe that the egg was still in the drop ship when we saw it in Alien 3, that would make better sense than it being anywhere else because the Queen was only in the drop ship prior to emerging from it.
The Queen must have squirreled away several eggs and brought them with her when she stowed away on the drop ship. It is improbable that Ripley destroyed all the eggs in the hive, there must have been a few surviving eggs for her to gather and carry. She also would have had plenty of time to place the eggs prior to her battle with Ripley. I personally love Alien 3, think it has the most emotional impact of any of the series. The fact fan favorites, like Hicks and Newt, were killed off so suddenly is what turns most people off.
It might have to be, depending on the free will theory. It's possible the Weyland-Yutani had remote control to Bishop for these things, and for the most part of the Aliens film never implemented that control (hence why the film made it seem like he was on the side of good). Only VERY briefly did they do it, in the critical state of colony, where they activated the protocol "Retrieve alien egg for us" on Bishop, and then remotely accessed his memories and wiped them, thus Bishop never knew he was the one who retrieved it. However the company's wipe was imperfect, and that's why in Alien 3, when Ripley got Bishop back online, he was able to remember that it had been with them all the way.
yakza5 Possibly. But from what we saw on screen, Bishop seemed mostly on the good side, despite telling Ripley that Burke wanted the facehugger specimens. By comparison from what we saw on screen for Prometheus, David clearly had darker alternatives.
ragnarok1945 Well I think Michael Fasbender nailed his role as David, he always look very emotionless, as a first gen android would, as opposed to Bishop, which was a later gen model that looked more human, hence the "he looked on the good side"
That's true, but early generations are supposed to be emotionless. Hell even Ash in the 1st Alien film looked way more human than David did. That was what made it hard to determine just who's side David was really on, because he seemed too indifferent to everything. Back when I watched the film for the 1st time, I felt David could care less if Weyland could get what he wanted from the Engineer or not.
The simplest explanation is usually the answer: Ripley’s destruction of the nest while escaping LV-246 showed her blowing up the queen’s ovipositor. While this may have destroyed any eggs left inside of it, it does not necessarily mean there wasn’t an egg still in the “chamber” (so to say) waiting to enter said ovipositor. But the sequence of events caused the queen to pinch up and separate herself from the the tube’s remnants in pursuit of her attackers. This next part however is the confusing possibility: When the drop ship arrives back on the Sulaco, the stowaway queen would have had to disembark quickly, go pinch the last egg purposely within the EEV (well hidden) and then make her way back to the strut well of the drop ship where she’d lay in wait to ambush Ripley and the synth. The xenomorph’s capacity for intelligent behavior was exhibited in Alien Resurrection leaving the door open for such a possibility. However, the queen’s timing would have been impeccable, haha.
I love alien 3 (assembly cut) and I'm not afraid to admit it, even though it is a contrary opinion to many fans of this series. I like that the filmmakers tried to go against the grain, do something different and returned to a feeling of isolation and despair of the original film vs the action packed fun of Aliens (not downing Aliens it is a great movie I just prefer Alien3). It is not a perfect film by any stretch of the imagination, but the atmosphere and darkness fit perfectly into the series for me, and wraps up the trilogy nicely. Also, I don't think I've ever seen a film that looked quite like Alien 3, the colors and grain of the film are great giving off a gothic vibe, that probably has something to do with Jordan Cronenweth's limited involvement in the cinematography. Now Alien Resurrection on the other hand...
I love the notion that it was all a dream. This could be a great story line for a new film which continues Ripely's saga let's say 41 years after the confrontation with the queen. All 3 characters reprise their roles except for Bishop since he was destroyed by the queen and yes they would be much older and would have aged but the story could live on and introduce a reality where the company actually gets the alien face hugger like in resurrection or maybe there was a second group of Marines that went in only to retrieve the alien species at all cost sounds like a fans dream come true but at this point there have been too many hands in the Alien pot to make this even work so for now just wishful thinking.
Maybe: While Ripley's off rescueing Newt, Bishop gathers an egg. The queen carries a royal facehugger. Later on the Sulaco the royal facehugger scoots off with the egg and hides in the cryo room. After everyone falls asleep, the facehugger positions the egg. 🤷♂
I always liked the idea that Bishop secretly collected the facehuggers when Ripley was rescuing Newt. It would have been such a big twist and cemented that Bishop is a company android which completely undermines Ridley’s new found trust in him.
That..... I hadn't thought of that and it's bloody brilliant. It actually would explain a major plot hole in a damned believable fashion. Makes sense even for an android with the three laws programmed into it. Okay, the android IS programmed to actively preserve human life and thus would act to help Ripley. He will volunteer to go down the pipe to call the dropship. But he also has programming from the corporation whereby his orders from the corporation take precedence over this. Hell, his justification for going down that pipe to call down the dropship makes even more sense in this context. If his main mission that takes precedence over all others is to bring back alien samples, likely without anyone other than Burke knowing he is doing it, then he may be motivated by his programming to complete his mission rather than the three laws causing him to take the risk in place of a human being. I actually love this theory now.
@@PumpkinHoard Although I REALLY hate the idea of droid Bishop being nefarious as it makes the franchise even more depressingly cynical than it already is, I have to concur that it's actually a genius idea, and in fact would've played well to the plot of Aliens. It takes 5 mins to fly from the colony HQ and the processor, then add the time Bishop needed to collect the egg(5-10 mins) it works out seamlessly: Starting at T-26 mins to processor detonation(leaving HQ to processor) 2x5 min flights(HQ➡Processor and back)=10 mins 5-10 mins collecting egg(s?) 1x5 min flight(back to Processor) So: 26-(10+10+5) mins =26-25 =T-1 min to detonation- EXACTLY when Bishop reappeared with the dropship to rescue Riply & Newt!! This theory works near-flawlessly with the plot of both Aliens & Alien 3(where the droid Bishop said it was with us all the way, and suddenly wants Ripley to disconnect him just before he had to reveal some damning info of the company, but debatable as he exposed Burke's plan earlier), even though I really want Bishop to be a good character!
@@jmwoods190 I love the idea he wanted to be disconnected before Ripley could ask him. Or even better, Ripley figured it out and terminated him quickly because she felt stupid for trusting a company android. I wish David Fincher would confirm this!
Bishop conspiracy theories make no sense. He was property of the Sulaco marine corps and had history with them, he wasn't a last minute company plant like Ash. Burke was the company plant with a personal agenda. Considering how WY did things, if they really wanted to get the alien from the mission to LV426, they'd have sent a hazmat team instead of Ripley. They did, once they were really interested in her and her Queen. They didn't care until maybe Burke ruffled some feathers before leaving and that made them question "so why did the old suits have the Nostromo rerouted 57 years ago?" and then they got wind of the Fury 161 crash because of the Sulaco black box transmissions and Andrews' report. IIRC, Jim Cameron had stated the whole Nostromo deal was forgotten by the time Ripley was rescued from space.
I read somewhere a facehugger carries an "egg" for a queen, and an "egg" to make drone, warrior, etc. Once the generic egg is laid, the facehugger dies so the queen "egg" does not accidentally impregnate anything. But, if it impregnates a queen "egg" first, it can stay alive afterward to impregnate another host for drone, warrior, etc. So, the same facehugger impregnated both Ripley AND the Ox.
Bishop's comment 'all the way' could mean that alien eggs were on board the Sulaco from its departure towards LV426 and the Company was hoping to obtain further specimens from the Queen for bioweapons research.
As it is with the comics, Weyland-Yutani want to weaponise them. They see the potential of the Xenomorphs (especially given their hivemind status) as a means to create an unstoppable force they can use where or whenever they choose.
The Aliens also have mental telepathy as a weapon to use against any being. Making the being want to either be a host or help in breeding the Alien species. They do not just attack physically.
You noticed how the Engineer's suit is like a bio-armor in Prometheus. The neck part of the suit seemed almost fused to the skin. And lol how would Shaw all by herself kill them all? But I hope we get to see more of them . My scifi fantasy would be a Human vs Xenomorph vs Engineer vs Predator showdown because they all exist in the same universe. It would be bloody messy and very satisfying :-)
If I were Ripley, after the queen encounter and changing my shorts, I would have searched the Sulaco, the dropship, under my bed, etc. for any Alien remnants. The opening of Alien 3 made no sense to me.
That's a good point. Ripley would know how sneaky they are, she'd be smart enough to realize that just defending off the queen isn't grounds for a happy ending, all is well sort of thing. I'd definitely have checked the Sulaco like looking for a needle in a haystack.
I agree with the hypersleep nightmare theory. In my mind, the Alien storyline, as far as the films are concerned, ends with Aliens. Just as Star Wars ends with Return of the Jedi.
Watching Aliens right now and wondering if maybe a drone alien was “instructed” to sneak an egg on when Bishop is parked up on the destabilizing landing area (when Ripley goes back to find Newt). He parks there for a while before it all starts to fall apart and then he has to circle around. Maybe the xenomorphs had some sense that the reactor was gonna go off (or at least understood that danger was imminent) so they snuck on an egg as a way to extend the life of the hive. Who knows… we probably never will but throwing that out there.
@@EricMalette assembly cut wasnt bad. Comparing that with the theatrical cut it shows the potential the film would have had if fox studio hadnt micromanaged the whole thing. Also they green lighted a script that didnt really exist. If you watch the making of it you get to see all of the problems that they encountered while trying to make the film. As well as the struggles they endured. Even though at this point David Fincher absolutely hates this film i think he did an amazing job at pulling off a miracle.
@@EricMalette totally agree. Unfortunately as you probably know 99% of everything is literally controlled by the marketing department they're so desperate to rush things out. And at the time that Alien 3 was going to be made Fox was in desperate need of money and hoping the bank on alien franchise as their next best hit for funding other films. But as you know that didn't happen. Another thing was i think that fox studios was going threw another new management for their company president at the time(cant recall accurately at this point). And so David Spencer and Sigourney Weaver we're taking elements of three or four different scripts and placing them all into 1, but having to call Fox Studios all the way across the world just to get permission to continue filming scenes, Etc. And I think that like two or three directors quit before they even started really filming. I believe cause the studio wasnt giving the freedom they needed to get anything done. Just 100% Nightmare. And even though a lot of people didn't like its been said by a lot of the cast and crew that it was even a miracle that they even got the film done. But they actually had to go back about 2 or 3 months after filming finushed and had to redo the ending because they wanted to see the queen chestburster come out. If you haven't had a chance I would highly recommend watching the making of this film. because whether you liked or hated it you get a definite respect for the endurance, creativity and patience of a lot of people
Simple narrative ellipsis. If you put a hen in a box, let it out later, and find an egg inside, one can reasonably guess what happened. The egg-laying xeno was on the Sulaco, later an egg was present; she must've lain it there. "But the queen can't lay eggs without her ovipositor." Yes, she can; Alien 3 (a canon story) told us so by showing us the egg. It is accepted screenwriting practice to create new rules, lucky breaks, and retroactive continuity elements that benefit the antagonist in order to maintain or increase difficulty and danger for the protagonist. "The queen didn't have time to get to the locker room and back." An unspecified amount of time passes between the moment that the dropship touches down and the moment that the characters exit it. Also, the compartment shown could be anywhere, including just below the hangar deck plating; we've no reason to believe that it is, indeed, the same locker room previously seen (within the narrative; obviously it is the same set). "Facehuggers can only lay one embryo apiece." Kane was in isolation when his parasite detached and it clearly lived long enough to climb into the overhead recess, probably dying right before dropping onto Ripley's shoulder, since she did nothing to dislodge it. It appears that a facehugger will die without a host or amniotic environment (original egg or stasis tube, e.g.), but there's no reason to believe that the creature is absolutely incapable of implanting more than one host. Any number of different events could have transpired between the glimpses offered in Alien 3's opening sequence. I consider it one of the film's strengths that Ripley is not so preoccupied with a complete explanation of what happened, as it would've bogged down the story. I'm quite happy with the stellar "We're fucked" montage and certain puzzle pieces being left to the imagination.
Hypersleep nightmare contest between Ripley, Hicks, Newt. Then Bishop joined in, saying "Hold my neurons. Listen to THIS one!" All four are still alive in hibernation waiting for arrival.
The egg got there because the queen laid it. We watched aliens when it first came out, and at the end when they are all going into cryo-sleep, we were all saying to each other that there must be an egg somewhere that the queen has laid. Just because the queen lost that tube does not mean she can't lay an egg. The tube was just used for placing the eggs in certain spots so they could be spread out rather than all sitting in a big pile.
Nanoparticles, would grow, same as we have seen in prometheus and Alien covenant, but as we learned in Prometheus there is always an extra room and extra cargo...
Nightmare. Even if the Queenomorph or Bishop brought an egg, I don't see it being missed by the fine-toothed comb triple-search that Ripley would've done before she went to hyper-sleep.
Within the story universe, I've always thought it made sense the company sent a small surveillance craft over to the planet while Ripley and the marines were down there. They wanted to hedge their bets on getting a specimen and could easily send a capture crew to harvest an egg from the derelict and place it in the Sulaco to contaminate the crew if needed. This is the most plausible explanation of them all.
Much more likely though, is that no thought whatsover was given to this issue. Quite simply, an egg needed to be onboard the ship to drive the storyline, and so there was one. Simple as that.
I reject any post Aliens movie as cannon. In fact, in the early 90's I was in a chip shop in Edinburgh and I found myself standing behind Brian Glover. I hardly believe this myself, but it was cold, rainy winter's night and he had an overcoat and flat cap on and all I could see was the skin of his bald head between the back of his cap and his coat collar but for some reason I instantly knew it was him. I looked around and said hello and we got chatting. I was around age 26 at the time and he was with his son. It turns out he was visiting Edinburgh as he was in the musical 'Annie Get Your Gun' there. I told him I was from near where he grew up in West Yorkshire. He was with his ten year old son and was picking up some supper after his performance. We chatted a bit and he was super friendly. I told him that I didn't like Alien 3 and he agreed with me that it wasn't very good. He said something along the lines of 'It's one of those movies you just get your head down and do it for the money'. I told him that I loved American Werewolf in London and his face lit up. He pointed his index finger at me and said 'now that were a good movie'. He then ordered his fish and chips. We said it's nice to meet you and he said likewise and said 'goodnight lads' then was off. Top bloke.
You forgot the last and most likely possibility, "bad writing."
This is the actual explanation
Watsonian vs. Doylist
the egg is made of scenarium
yeah, bad writing and greedy executives.
100%
I like to believe that Alien 3 and 4 are Ripley's hyper-sleep nightmare and that she and Newt are still safely travelling across the universe.
Exactly! In the same way as there are no Terminators after part 2. ;-)
@@poiuyt975 Totally agree!
Love that idea. We can shelve all bad sequels with this nightmare theory too lol
Still sucks tho, in that if this is true, that means Ripley and Newt are still floating aimlessly thru space, not yet truly found…. Hopefully they will be found someday….
@@plupkination I hope so too!
It is so utterly unbelievable that someone like Ripley would go into hypersleep without scouring every inch of the Sulaco for aliens and eggs. Not to mention the ship's computer is capable, as you'd expect, of detecting alien life aboard. The writers are telling me she didn't run a single scan?
Yeah, in the opening scene of Alien 3, it appears to be stuck to the wall in a brightly lit maintenance corridor. It looks like it would have been an easy find. A flamethrower shot later, problem is solved. No matter what crazy way it was placed there, it is still a stretch that it wouldn't have been found. Fortunately, it was all just one of Ripley's bad dreams. 🤣
I mean, supposing Ripley found out it was there before going into cryo, nothing would work in getting rid of it. Torch it, the ship gets set on fire and the pod gets ejected the same way. Blast it, it melts the hull and they very likely die. Eject it, she'd have to approach to cut the eggs off the ground and risk get infected. The truth is that as soon as the ship took off the ground, they were all doomed from the start. I don't blame Bishop 'cuz he was probably in too much of a hurry and we have seen that xenomorphs can still attack synthetics.
Well in her eyes the mother ship never touched the ground and the alien wouldn't have had time to lay an egg, so the odds were extremely against it happening yet it happened somehow
@@radrno7 It wouldn't melt through the hull that much, that's a huge ship. The Nostromo had acid melt through a few floor decks but that was it, the ship was fine, and everybody didn't die (at least until the alien killed them off). I think they would've been fine if she blasted it. The flamethrower scenario..... eh, Ripley could've overridden the computer to where it wouldn't eject the pod and she could've put the fire out very quickly.
That's the nonsense we're supposed to believe, but you & I know that Ripley would not have been so careless.
I didn't like that "Bishop was a traitor" version! Bishop was a real hero!!!
I don't either, and that just seems to be solely fan theory. I didn't think it was ever written or thought of anywhere; Bishop saved everybody.
It wouldn't have been the first time an android has betrayed because of the company ash and David
I could see Bishop being programmed, just like Ash in the previous movie, to bring back specimens of the aliens to the company. He also conveniently had time to get the egg during the time he was crawling through the pipe and going to the contact tower.
I don't buy it either; the time differentiation of going to the Sulaco and getting back to the processing station in time to save Ripley and Newt is too long, even for an android, besides, he would have had to go inside the processor to get an egg, Ripley would have seen him and he couldn't have known where to look for one....
Bishop wasn’t a traitor , not the synthetic, the real person was. Bishop was modeled after Bishop, the actual person. You’re confused
the reason why there is a egg in alien 3 is cus they needed a story .
alex ives well duh they needed an egg to make a story. its hard to make another alien movie without alien eggs after audiences just saw the queen killed and the eggs toasted, then exploded by the reactor going off
Vamatti
They did not need an egg to make a story. A single facehugger would have sufficed like in the original movie. I could also think up a lot more reasons for an egg to be there with just my imagination. They just added an egg there without explanation either due to time/budget constraints or plain laziness.
John Howard
The eggs do not possess hands and feet.
yeah exactly
Cor Sal but they do have feelings
I always thought that “Alien 3” basically takes away everything Ripley gained in “Aliens”. We know that Hicks and Newt died horrible deaths-and it follows that the new trust she had placed in the Bishop android would also be destroyed by having him (possibly unwittingly) bring an alien egg aboard the ship.
Also, although speculated earlier in the film about a queen. They didn't know where or if a queen or a huge amount of eggs even existed until Ripley found them. I don't think Ripley contacted Bishop at all after she went out to find Newt. So I don't see how he could have pulled all this off.
I've always been more concerned with how no one noticed the egg. Granted, Hicks and Bishop were incapacitated and Newt was only a kid, but surely Ripley would think to check for further threats. And even if she somehow missed it, you'd think the Sulaco's computer would be able to detect for such a thing!
Unless Bishop or the company itself knowing Ripley would check programmed the computer to give a false negative. Meaning the only way Ripley could truly know for sure would be to do a painstaking manual search throughout the entire ship which I don't think even she could do. That could take months and even if she did there is a strong chance she wouldn't have found the egg in time to stop anything from happening.
It happened when the sulacco encountered another ship that was infested with xenomorphs after leaving LV426
That's a classic movie cliché that nobody double-checks or has no clue about their surroundings. Even the idea that Queen managed to sneak in and stab Bishop in brightly lit room was kind of "yeah right" moment. Now, to people not happy with Alien 3 premise... The nearly filmed competing script had the same issue in which Queen managed to lay a developing mini egg in BISHOP and from there the mayhem develops...
@username checks out Yeah, creatives went wild I guess... Makes no sense in the DNA stealing part since android has no DNA. Biomech part makes more sense in the concept of alien adapting and eating shit, pipes and such.
Sure after having skipped sleep for a week and battling the queen before planet explodes, Ripley makes a minute search for eggs and solves a few soduko before going into cruyo. C’mon
Hypersleep Nightmare. That's my head cannon.
Still holding out hope for Alien 5 with Newt and Hicks.
+1000000 on that! Bring Ripley, Hicks and Newt BACK!!! Supposedly James Cameron himself is trying to revive the project so I'm hopeful, he's definitely a man who has some sway given the major $ his movies have made, not to mention the recent success of the Halloween semi-reboot has shown direct sequels that ignore previous ones are capable of succeeding.
Never give up on that theory.. It's my hope too..
this was a brilliant suggestion. Takes the edge off of how terrible those stories are.
I like the hypersleep nightmare idea!! It would be an out to revive the story line with a good sequel.
The only real problem with that is her dreams contain information she couldnt have known beforehand which is canon like the DNA reflex etc.
The only answer is Lazy writing by the writers. Period.
Yes indeed! Nailed it!
Lucy Logan Meh
Before laziness was an issue, TOO MANY writers was the problem.
Kent Darden Lazy? No. Just because the film doesn't care to hold your hand with a strict explanation doesn't make it lazy. They simply ask you to accept it. And Aliens fanboys can't handle thinking for themselves.
Tyler Eschberger Do you like their choise in Alien 3? To kill Hicks and Newt?
The egg actually had tiny little duck legs and waddled aboard the Sulaco when no one was looking. Duh.
that's soo cute
Quack, quack, quack goes the little duck egg. Dude, I totally got an image when I read your comment! LMFAO! 🤣🤣🤣
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@@west8480 lol that actually is cute
I’m of the theory that it was laid there by the queen. The way it’s suspended from the ceiling (?) and attached to the fixture would suggest it was put there without consideration for the facehugger inside. Only the queen would know that the egg could be suspended from its side and furthermore actually attach it to the fixture with its secreted resin.
Had it been a human/ android who placed it there, it would have been on the ground in an upright position.
Unless it was frozen, and placed there without worry.
john vines No way
Bishop spent a load of time studying a facehugger (on behalf of the Company) whilst on LV-426.
If - by that point in time - science has fully decoded the human genome and all castes of the Xenomorph species share the same DNA traits, it could’ve applied such knowledge (stored in his cybernetic brain) to gain a full understanding of the species.
The angle the egg was affixed to a surface at could possibly be a combination of: 1) Bishop having limited time to conceal the egg; and 2) Bishop needing to find the optimum spot for it to trigger the release of the facehugger when all crew were later in cryo-stasis.
Absolutely Bishop. Conspicuously not at the platform, having been ordered to stay close for extraction. Hicks conspicuously unconscious (to the close of the film), with him having backed Ripley with the order to Bishop. How long was Ripley in the nest extracting Newt (with scenes having been cut)? How long did it take for them to return to the Sulaco following the extraction before the site went thermonuclear?
Could have even returned to the Sulaco before he rendezvoused with Hicks and Ripley (before the retrieval mission).
Might not be what James Cameron intended, might not be what David Giler and Walter Hill intended but there is enough ambiguity in both films to make this the most plausible explanation of what happened.
The crew got fucked by the robot in Alien. The crew got fucked by the robot (again) in Aliens - only the Company made the “Bishop” model more amiable than the “Ash” model.
@@robt4390 - Go back and rewatch the scene where Bishop states Asimov's first two Laws of Robotics, during the meal before they leave the Sulaco for the first time. "I am unable to harm, or by omission allow harm, to a human being." It wasn't Bishop. It took 50 MINUTES for the dropship to reach the Sulaco, based on Bishop saying it took that long for the 2nd dropship's flight from the Sulaco to LC-426. Plenty of time for the queen to lay another couple of eggs (yes, my opinion is that she laid at least two on the way up), and secure them somewhere. LV-426 didn't have an atmosphere in Alien 1; therefore the eggs do not "die" without what we would consider breathable air. Heck, the very fact that the queen made it onto the Sulaco argues that the xenomorphs themselves can survive vacuum for a least short periods of time. (That's a scary thought - the first film's xenomorph floating around in space until it found a ship to latch onto, if it hadn't been fried when Ripley caught it in the engine blast.)
@@rgoodwin1810
So if Ash was able to state a hippocratic oath, that means the model must’ve malfunctioned?
Don’t trust a word that comes out of Bishop’s mouth. He was programmed to study the Xenomorph species - THAT is the only thing we know for sure.
He is NOT a person, he is a programmable piece of hardware and (more so than Burke) subject to the whims of the Company.
I've always happily accepted my own personal theory. When the acid dropped in front of Bishop at the end of Aliens, that wasn't blood, that was embryonic fluid from her ripped egg sack. Due to environmental conditions, the egg grew like a fungal spore on the deck below where it had originally burnt through. Kind of ties in to Alien 1979's deleted scene whereby the eggs could be grown from hosts in a decomposing fungal-like manner.
It works well enough for me. They're aliens. One simple camera pan over that floor-hole during the opening montage would have cemented it for me as being a perfectly reasonable explanation.
But the egg we see in _Alien 3_ isn't growing from the floor of the hangar bay. It's mounted sideways on the wall in some hallway.
@@kjhuang I never said it was growing from the floor, I said it was growing from the ceiling of the deck below (which appears to be a maintenance corridor), a bit like the pen scene in the original Alien; in my imagination having grown from where the queen's embryonic fluids had burned through the floor of the hangar above.
They should have simply made it a facehugger that slipped on board and dropped the whole "egg" thing ...
Rubashow Exactly - simple and elegant. No idea why the writers went for an egg instead... one they couldn't explain.
my words exactly, problem solved, period...
Or alternately show the egg in a location where it could conceivably have been missed (say inside the dropship's landing gear that the queen emerges from). I can buy the queen grabbing an egg to take with her like this video theorizes, it's just showing it randomly stuck on a wall inside the Sulaco that bothers me.
out of all of them, the only one I come close to believing is weyland somehow planned it, I mean, after all they wanted to turn the aliens into bio weapons
The only problem with that theory would be "why didnt the facehuggers attack during the hanger fight sequence or before the survivors entered the hypersleep pods?"
One detail about Bishop, he wasn't programmed by the company, he was programmed by the Colonial Marines Corps. Yes he was created by the company but he was shipped to the Colonial Marines Corps and programmed with the different parameters than the Aperdin 120-A2 (Hash) of the Nostromo who wasn't programmed to protect humans but to obey the company's orders. Furthermore the Bishop models are programmed with a safety feature that shutdown the android if he attacks or by his fault let someone or something hurts a human as he explain it himself in Aliens in the meal scene after he did the knife trick to Hudson.
Since Fox already announced a movie featuring Hicks and Ripley i think it's safe to say that Alien 3 and 4 are no longer cannon.
i want Alien 3 to be cannon, i think it fits very well into the franchise, boohoo newt and hicks died but the xenomorphs are all about doom and gloom and Alien 3 had it in droves which i loved, its rare to live if a xenomorph is among humans
How to make a bad sequel: squash Everything Alien fans loved about the previous Movie.
(I thought) Alien 3 was okay. BUT, the only way to keep Alien 3 is as a glorified nightmare, for Ripley to wake up from after she dies in the dream. We can't keep Ripley, Hicks, and especially Newt, any other way, and there is no reasonable way to continue the franchise after Aliens without those characters.
Alien: Resurrection is garbage, and should absolutely have nothing to do with any future Alien media.
Glad I'm not the only one that didn't care much about Newt and Hicks dying. I liked 3 better than 2, it kept in line the same feeling as number 1. It only seems right to me that it would end with Ripley sacrificing herself to kill this creature that had consumed her life.
Andy Howard i really like the idea of 3 being a dream.
My mom and I actually cried in theater when we learned that hicks and newt died after all they went through to survive. I just didn’t think it was fair. So I’m pretending they are all floating around asleep.
Me too ,really sad 😥
Turns out Hicks didn't acutely die he survived the game aliens colonel mariens tells the story of how he survived
@@stevenflynntheghost4845 Oh my goodness! I need to look up a video. I have got to see this.
@@Afroricanz84 yeah I enjoyed the game you also see Hudson fate as well tho
I guess I'm the only one who thinks Hicks was a bad character. Boring, too much of a pu**y for that dirty marines team and with bad, boring lines. I didn't mind him dying at all. An example of a well-played character who I want to see more: 'Morse' from Alien3 (Assembly cut ofcourse).
I specifically remember an interview in a magazine released just after alien 3 where the writer point blank said they didn't know how the egg got there. They started filming with the intention to go back and fix this up, but it just never happened.
But they were too dumb to realise they could have just cut the egg out and it would have been fine - facehuggers were attached to the queen and ran out when the dropship landed in the hangar. It makes perfect sense... they could have just left the egg out... so dumb :D
Aliens 3 and 4 aren't "hypersleep nightmares", they're just regular nightmares.
In Aliens, there's the scene where Burke is trying to convince Ripley to help him, and he brings up all the nightmares she has, and how confronting all this might help her. In fact, the movie practically starts with Ripley having nightmares of having a chest burster in her. Remember the scene in the hospital with Burke and the cat?
Burke was wrong about confronting her fears: she still has those bad dreams, and 3 and 4 are feature length looks at those dreams.
This is one of the few times the dream theory seems fairly reasonable, as it was sort of set up in aliens
Hawl 9000, I'm glad someone agrees, because the most plausible, realistic way in which to bring Ripley back without getting more and more fantastical in an effort to build of 3 and 4 is to make those movies looks into Ripley's nightmares.
And the funny thing about it is that if you do a bit of research on dream symbology; being stuck on a prison planet; with no weapons with no way to escape; with a bunch of men who'd as soon kill you as rape; and the inability to convince anyone of what's coming their way; these are all variation on dream symbology.
* Being incarcerated or trapped can signify the person feels trapped or unable to move beyond a certain point.
* The inability to escape suggests a feeling of helplessness.
* Seeing killers in a dream suggests losing of oneself.
* Being ignored in a dream suggests there's something you're avoiding in real life.
Quite literally, based on what's known of the character Ellen Ripley, real psychology can explain away both Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection as dreams, and that's something I very much wished would happen, because regardless of how entertaining those two movies might have been, neither one does the Alien story any justice.
also the 'bishop betrayal' scenario could easily be Ripley's subconscious recalling past events (ash in alien) as she makes it clear she has a distrust of androids, and the fact that hicks and newt die could be her subconscious again mirroring past events, as previously anyone close to her has died
that and the whole alien queen impregnation scenario seems to be an updated version of her previous nightmares seen in aliens, and the scene in alien resurrection where Ripley finds the failed cloning experiments is very similar to the cuccoon scene in alien, suggesting Ripley's subconscious is again mirroring previous experiences with other similar possible scenarios
Hawl 9000, yep... that's another datapoint.
I got it!! Fox Studios was in desperate need of money. They banked heavily on an Alien sequel. They took creative control away from the revolving door of producers and directors. And ended up with an overly edited, subpar, plot holes sequel.
That's how the alien got on the ship (lol)!!
C man: Her primary influence on Alien 3 is that she wanted it to be 'more like the 1st Alien', but more dark and grungy.
Let's just all forget the alien movies past Aliens. They're a nightmare of Ripley, her last, before she reaches Earth with Newt and Hicks and they live like normal people for the rest of their lives. With the camera footage of the marines which they leak to media, they inform the population of the existence of Xenomorphs and popular demand forces the military to scourge the planet where they were found and destroy all specimens. The story is over. This is what I initially thought would happen after watching Aliens, but alas.
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To conclude I wish alien 3 and 4 were only hypersleep nightmares. It s the best certainty we CAN have to stand their existence
Hey, was the queen she puts the eggs inside the ship, she can carry more thant 6 eggs inside her before lay in the tube to well organize in the places she wants, but without the tube thing, she just drop in the floor and can grab with her "hands" and put in a wall or hide in any place. Its so simple, if you pay attention in the tube the queen use to lay eggs, have more than 6 eggs traveling inside to be put in the floor. The exact moment she did that was when ripley goes inside the cargo bay to get the loader. Aliens never fail to keep their lineage o/
@@NazgulFireblade So, the queen placed it in the subflooring of the hangar when she was grabbing at Newt. You might've solved it. Cuz it looks like it could be under that steel-grate flooring when you see it in Alien 3.
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@@micahrutland991 the best movie ever, plus it's been released the year of my birth🤣
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Some good theories - however, my biggest annoyance with the 'egg on the sulaco' is if we ignore that the egg somehow got into the ship somehow despite it all being seal up before and during the fight with the queen, how did the facehugger know where the hosts were?The Facehugger like the alien drone use senses to 'see' as it has no eyes. Pheromones & heat are the general perception of how it see's it's prey - yet Ripley and Newt were in cryo tubes that are completely airtight (no pheromones) and cool the body down to almost freezing so they would give off no more heat than a piece of equipment on standby.Anyone ??
Clearly, the script writers didn't thought much about this face huggers physical technical details. And being about a military ship which by design equipped with many sensors not less the alien lifeform sensors to boot.
What if Weyland Yutani had the ships programmed for that? To not inform crew about the xenomorphs and only to the company? What if when Ripley was getting into cryo, the egg was still hatching?
@@radrno7 ok the company may have programed the ship but what about Ripley ? After what she went through you expect me to belive she didnt sweep the whole damn ship for a hitchhiker alien egg ? AT ALL? Really ? Also why anyone would want a virus like alien to study anyway ? Clearly you cant control it or reason with it only a dead one is simpler to study , i love the franchise minus 3-4 and covenent , prometheus was ok (dumb but ok had a nice feel only to be destroyed by the sequal ) , anyway i love the franchise but its sometimes dumb for plot
True, but they weren’t dead. Their systems were cooled and slowed down gradually. From the perspective of a completely cold blooded creature they’d still pick up a heat signature. I keep tarantulas and believe me they are capable of finding even the minimalist sources of heat that humans wouldn’t register when they are too cold.
Also, how did the face hugger open all the doors to get the hyper sleep chamber?
Bishop and only Bishop did it. I'm 100% sure in it. His words "It always was with us" only proved it. Other explanation - another Xenomorph put that egg there
+irina1296
Agree, it had to happen somehow as plot device.The crew had to end up on the Furina 161, plus Ripley had to get impregnated secreatly offscreen for the late shocking reveal and this is the way they chose to do it.
It's a wobbly bridge that gets viewers to the other side of the plot.
Bene I dont see why people so hung up on the egg you have to use ur imagination and there is nothing wrong with that all movies are subjective they are what you make them
I have come to the same conclusion,The words "It always was with us ALL THE WAY"means it came with them from the start,i suspect Burke in fact was acting on his own interests,he thought no one knew about these creatures thought he could get rich,he was unaware the company had already found out about them,TAKEN them back ,,,Somewhere,this ,.....group was likely worried Burke/Ripley (as they knew her views) was going to mess up there little plan,,,project,so hid the egg in sealed locked room,that was programmed to open only on return trip to earth(someplace)wipe out any survivors,Bishop was programmed to oversee it all...Likely unsealed the door before return hyper-sleep.
How...? What's the point of the Company already having the eggs on the ship throughout the entirety of Aliens, if they come in at the end of Alien 3 (led by the founder himself) as if the thing Ripley has is the LAST alien left and must be preserved at any cost, anyway? It obviously wouldn't warrant that much attention from the Company if they already had a ready supply of eggs (at least enough of them that they can apparently just leave 2 randomly about on the Sulaco before the mission even started)
Not only that, but then the WY team of commandos somehow know full well what they're dealing with (acid proof and facehugger blocking suits, etc.), as if they do have records of aliens and have some specimens already (as if to suggest that they *could* have had eggs to put on the Sulaco), but they can't possibly know anything if all the aliens were killed on Acheron, and it's, again, the LAST alien they're trying to get (that's *why* they're there, BUT if they're there, then they have no reason to be there in such force, with one of the guys who founded the Company himself). Does that make sense?
It's just a classic example of circular logic that we can't get around unless someone goes back and changes Aliens (the film) in some way, to make Alien 3 make sense.
Moreover, how does Bishop do anything along the lines of opening some door to let the facehuggers out, or plant the eggs on the Sulaco in some proximity to the stasis pods, if he got torn in half as soon as he stepped off that dropship and is now *without* legs, and put in hypersleep soon after.
And if it was a warrior/facehugger who snuck along with the Queen, then it would have no reason to not just attack once Ripley was the only one still awake.
Don't agree that all movies are subjective , many are with strict plots without need for additional work from audience. Anyway iam sure you could come up with better not so holey beginning. Imagination am i right?
It is made clear that the derelict has thousands of eggs and the blast is only good for about 30 miles according to the film. They make it clear in the special edition that the ship is further out than the colony so there is another chance for the company to get the eggs as they are still in the Derelict.
FOX EXECUTIVES MAGICALLY WANTED A EGG THERE
I read reports that both Sigourney Weaver and Michael Bein had signed on for ALIEN 5 (which leads credance to my theory that ALIEN 3 and ALIEN 4 were hyper-sleep dreams experienvced by Ripley) but once ALIEN: COVENANT began development, that Fox shelved the ALIEN 5 project indefinately.
J De thank god.
Alien 3 was great.
Alien Resurrection was a bad alien film but a very fun film nonetheless. I wouldn't mind the 4th being decanonized but Alien 3 was perfect.
Fuck Neil Blomkamps alien.
He has only made one good movie. What makes you think he will do good with Alien?
Alien 3 was a mistake. I like it too as a self contained Movie. But it ruined the series and kind of paved the way for Resurrection. Ripleys character arc was over after Aliens. I hope Covenant and Alien 5 gets things back on track.
daveruda You honestly expect Alien 5 to even be better than Resurrection?
Alien Resurrection had a far more talent director than Alien 5 does.
Neil Blomkamp is a fucking hack, and people need to get over Newt and Hicks being killed off.
Aliens was great, but it completely did not understand what the original film was.
They took a film that's a analogy of rape, childbirth, and sexual trauma and made it into a James Cameron, depthless, actionfest.
Had those two characters survived, there would be no horror left in a the franchise. Isolating Ripley after losing everyone she ever meets, impregnating her with a queen Alien while stranded in a male only prison filled with rapists and murderers? It also expanded the universe vastly. Ripley dying in the last film was a great way to end the trilogy. We don't need a talentless hack who has only made one good film, attempt at this franchise again. Especially since the franchise is starting to glimmer hope again after Prometheus. Stop fucking bringing Ripley. There is much more to the universe than Sigourney Weaver.
If you disagree with that last statement then you are not an alien fan. Which I don't like to say because it's an asshole statement but it's true. You just don't get Alien at all if you disagree.
I think Alien 5 has the potential for greatness if someone keeps Blomkamp in line. A proper sequel to the first two please.
I don't disagree with that last statement (I wouldn't mind seeing some Colonial Marine action outside of fighting Xenomorphs), but I *know* Alien 5 would be better than Resurrection and Prometheus.
Neil Blomkamp is a great visual director. If there's a good writing team involved, I'd say it's golden.
Not gonna lie, the nightmare scenario, though I've never heard of it before, sounds far more plausible then any of the others. Just to many holes.
Just heard this today. I like this theory :)
Yes. The nightmare narrative.
Most importantly, the ending itself of ALIEN3, makes the endings of both ALIEN and ALIENS where Ripley escapes in them pointless. So, ALIEN3 has to be a dream in order to save the importance of the first two movies endings.
@@coltseavers6298 Alien 3 is great though.
It’s a wrong theory.
@@KD--sj8eo I do actually agree with that.
I remember the theory just after Alien3 that the whole movie was a dream sequence of Ripley's during hypersleep.
Bishop answered that question already: "There was an alien with us all the way". It's that simple. It was there when the mission began.
hyper-sleep nightmares is what it all comes down to
Nothing is canon to me after Aliens (Even though I LOVE Alien 3.)
Rachelyoubish: I agree. The franchise ended with Aliens. Alien 3 and, ewwwww, Alien Resurrection, in my opinion, don't exist. Oh and don't get me started on those horrible, horrible Alien versus Predator movies!
RVL480 Van Alien³ is misunderstood I think the bluray assembly cut it awesome its a depressing but necessary end to the franchise it rips you from safety of hicks and the xenomorph is a crazy primal killer unlike the intelligence of the original xenos
A-aaa-greed! I love the atmosphere of alien3, but it undoes so much, and has too many plot-holes.
Y2Kr4SHM4N its not the worst Alien movie I know that lol
Rachelyoubish If you disregard Alien 3 as canon just because your beloved characters were killed off. Then you're a moron. Killing Newt and Hicks was the only way to continue the franchise and have even a sense of horror and isolation and sexuality
I hadn't heard of the "hypersleep nightmare", but I very much like that idea. I really didn't care for Aliens 3, and basically only consider Alien and Aliens to be "cinema reality" for the show. It makes more sense than really stretching the believe-ability of having an egg be aboard the ship.
I always thought that when Bishop left the landing pad, the company had been in contact with him in order to get him to secure a sample. That's why Bishop tried to save Newt, Hicks and Ripley as incubators. Bishop may not have even known he did it.
What was first? The Alien or the Egg?
Eyris the world may never know until they write a shitty prequel on ho- oh wait they already did that...
egg ? not agree ...species and the ability to evolve comes first
The black goo actually
Facehugger
Neither. The answer is the facehugger 😎😎😎
I think it was just a half ass way to not have Hicks in the movie
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Yes and no . The queen hitched a ride on the dropship and was still laying
@@Kriegsman41 nah, no really... complete bullshit on ALL levels to suggest that Ripley would have gone to hypersleep without doing a full inspection of all of the nooks and crannies near the docking bay.
It is literally the stupidest possible explanation possible... one that expects adults to behave like two year olds and be willing to pretend that paranoid-as-hell Ellen Ripley, right after having one of their queens on board, would not go around to do a super anal inspection... but just casually go right to sleep.
We all called bullshit when we first saw the flick in the theater and we still to this day call bullshit. Alien3 is a terrible film based upon a terrible script. There is no need to try and defend it - and if you understand the "committee nature" of the production you'd have no choice but to agree... the scripts they considered were all really shit compared to the Dark Horse comics. Too bad Sigourney didn't fight such a terrible script - she was the lone individual who may have been able to fight using that shit script... but alas she did not.
Also, any plot that asserts they had magically been boarded and an egg left there... also bullshit.
@@chouseification Exactly. Ripley would have done multiple sweeps of the whole ship, no doubt. She probably would not have gone into hyper-sleep for months.
Apparently they ended up having to pay the actor close to what he got for aliens because they used his face
Truly stunning clip you've put together. The narration, writing, sound effects... very enjoyable to watch.
I actually enjoyed alien 3 after seeing it the second time. Absolutely agree with a bishop role after seeing the androids dazed look while dissecting. Queen had nothing to do with it. Great video!
Bishop's betrayal is the most plausible explanation, I like it.
i agree with you
Flavio Sousa the queen dropped a dingleberry I don't think bishop blackedout
Ha ha ha....ah, alien3: fabricated mess.
Flavio Sousa I agree. Ultimately, I think Bishop is a good guy, but had no control or memory of betreying his friends. I like it.
***** Im saying the whole Bishop thing would happen while Ripley was away saving Newt and Bishop was alone to do what he pleases.
I like the idea of Ripley, along with Newt and Hicks, are still just asleep and the other movies are her nightmares.
I enjoyed Alien 3 for what it is. I think the mysterious egg was just part of the troubled production and unfinished script of the plot is why there’s no explanation on how it got there.
I honestly just ignore the so-called sequel to Aliens video game since it doesn’t make any sense at all, and just believe that it was either or both the Alien Queen and Bishop that managed to get the egg or eggs aboard the ship. The Queen could easily save an egg or two and stored them on her back, and since Bishop was still owned by the company, he could have managed to secretly steal an egg from the hive. That’s just my theory.
There were two Bishops - one main and the other for redundancy. It is common practice for missions to have multiple backup systems. Bishop II activated to retrieve the eggs from the derelict ship using the second EEV and properly sequestered on board the Sulaco before returning to fetch Ripley.
I'll buy that possibility, but the problem I find is that no one ever saw a 2nd. synthetic aboard the Sulaco. It makes sense to not leave the ship completely unmanned, even if the man is not a man, but we never saw that. Speculation & theory is what you propose. Aliens left us without proof.
I like this theory a lot more than most! 👌🏻
well I accept the first two movies as cannon, the rest is fan fiction
Jan P. Alien 3 is a fitting end, apart from this plot hole it's a decent movie. But i agree it could have been different. Everything after however is trash.
Rish Fish I am not big on extended universe either, only thing I hold in higher regard in alien 3 is the dog alien, it's another original design (although Giger was never credited for it, bastard left him out) and it is (contrary to popular belief) the only alien that can actually walk on the walls and ceiling, original aliens were never depicted walking on the walls or ceiling as flies, they were crawling all over the wall in their hive because their biomass served as climbing medium, just like humans climb on climbing walls, and in the operating centre in the last stand scene when they were crawling throught the ventilation, they were so squeezed together that some of them walked head down but that doesn't mean they have sticky feet, yet everybody takes it as fact, never understood why
Jan P. In Alien vs predator 3 you can climb walls
alien was designed by Giger, directed by Ridley Scott, second movie was directed by james cameron and aliens were again designed by Giger, the rest had nothing to do with the original idea or the original creators, I couldn't care less what aliens do in videogames or comic books, first two movies are what counts (some would stretch it to the third and fourth movie) nothing more
Jan P. Think Alien3 was the last proper Alien movie which respected the lore, i know Prometheus was directed by Scott and designed by Giger, but that movie was a mess and didn't make much sense, maybe Covenent will provide answers. But i think as far as canon goes Alien 1-3 are consistent
If Bishop was able to get an Egg onboard the Suloco before returning to Ripley on the surface then why even return to the surface? He could cryogenically freeze the egg than go into hypersleep himself and just FU to Ripley and Newt. Sorry I don't buy it. I think Alien 3 and Resurrection are just hypersleep nightmares.
Why do Alien 3/ Resurrection need to be a dream? The AVP films weren't dreams. Just erase and replace. Simple.
Y2Kr4SHM4N I don't acknowledge the existence of those two mistakes.
Alexander Barnes :-) I don't find Alien3 to be a worthy sequel thematically, but it has a good atmosphere, and visually ties in with the universe perfectly.
However, after everything Ripley went through to save Newt, and after witnessing hundreds of Aliens, a cavern full of eggs, a hulking Queen matriarch, the film just doesn't cut it.
And Alien Resurrection is some superhero comic book comedy aberration skinned as an alien film. A cloned super Ripley with memories? This is Aliens, not Buffy!
They never called in Ridley and the 20th Century studios was eager to keep cashing in on 'alien', so they set forth a mandate without putting together time to properly go about it.
It's all documented and still the poor zealots go for this grueling produced studio slop.
ROTFLMAO
Aside from that there wouldnt have been enough time.
Bishop says earlier on in the film that it would take around 50mins flight time for the second drop ship to reach the planet surface, and was less than 20mins from when he dropped off Ripley and later on rescued her.
Then there's the time needed to land, place the egg in a secure location, etc, etc.. a ship aint like a car you can just brake, jump out, do your thing, jump back in, switch on the ignition and away you go lol
Loved the dissection. I never really gave it much thought apart from 'yeah right, they needed a sequel, somehow'.
The fact they made an official game that includes an explanation implies the writers knew mistakes had been made and further explanation was required.
Personally, I like the idea that the queen keeps her 1st 'queen' egg on her body along with a 'runt' (it must be something we haven't seen yet) to act as a servant, thus giving their species a greater chance of survival if threatened.
Yup, I agree. Could have had 1 or 2 up her... organ. Might have released them in the height of action. Not that hard to image.
All other alien movies after Aliens are hyper sleep dreams. When Ripley says “I had a terrible dream in hyper sleep” in Alien 3, that’s a clue that it’s really a dream. Alien and Aliens are masterpieces.
"One of the biggest mysteries of the Alien universe continues to be how Alien 3 was such utter fail on the back of cinema's greatest sequel."
Wait till resurrection
Wait till you look at resurrection
Wait till you look at covenant !
You really owe it to yourself to see the "Alien 3 Special Edition"............It's about 40 minutes longer, answers soooooo many of your questions and is actually an incredible film. If they would have released this film, instead of the theatrical cut, it wouldn't have been looked down on and considered such a failure.
@@REB4444 I do not disagree with you on that point. I was only saying that if you want an enjoyable, well made, superior film than what was released to the theater the Special Edition is it.
I own a LaserDisc-to-VHS transfer of the Aliens SE (I got it from a neighbor whom worked at a comic book shop and passed it down to me, as my family didn't have a LD player), and at the very end of the credits, you can hear an egg sack opening up. I don't think the sound effect made it to the DVD Quadrilogy / BR Alien Anthology versions. Still doesn't answer HOW the egg got there, but Cameron was thinking it.
Way late, but a little correction. The body in Hick's cryopod wasn't a doppelganger according to the Colonial Marines DLC. It was one of the PMC mercs that was thrown into the pod during Hick's initial escape from the Sulaco. Personally, even though the game failed on almost every aspect due to the well documented issues from it's development, I did enjoy the story, and found that it did resolve a lot of unanswered questions from the gap between Aliens and Alien 3. I was also glad to see that Hick's did end up surviving as he was one of my favorite characters from the film.
I always assumed the Queen laid an egg on the drop ship en route. It makes the most sense, that a Queen in desperation lays a Royal egg to help ensure the survival of her line.
One argument is that Queen / Royal facehuggers can implant two embryos: The Queen embryo and a Drone to help protect and serve its queen during the developmental stages.
Apparently the Queen shit her pants when she saw Ripley in the powerloader and an egg came out instead
Newt is one of my favorite characters & her death was bullshit. Why did they bother having Ripley go through all that trouble of saving & protecting Newt if they were just going to kill her off at the beginning of the next sequel? It's a waste of character usage.
Tubeman244 ikr
Probably because that actor was too old to play the part
Just because you don't like it does not make it wasteful or bad. It's just another page in the story book. Don't look at it as anymore than that. She died just like all other characters in the films. Her fate was sealed from the very beginning when her story was written into the lore.
I couldn't agree more. Alien 3 was supposed to center around Hicks and the Colonial Marines. Newt was going to live with her grandparents. Ripley was a nonfactor. The original script has been online for years.
As far as the facehugger goes, wouldn't the Sulaco have sensors on board. In Alien, they had Mother. Aliens was 50 years later, on a military ship no less.... You would think they had the technology to make sure the ship is 'clean.' I guess Weaver couldn't turn down a paycheck regardless of a pathetic script.
Tubeman244 it really was absolutely fucking bullshit Newt was a great character and then they just decided to kill her!
There was the sound of an egg opening at the very end of the Aliens end credits.
Pretty sure that was added to the DVDs and stuff after Alien 3 came out
You are right! At the very very end after music and the eerie wind howling stops there is a faint sound of an egg opening. Way to pay attention!!
Always sounded more like a facehugger scurrying to me. I still stay it was Bishop. 😋
bwalsh17 I watched it on pubfilm.co and the sound was at the end of the theatrical version.
This doesn't explain my HE-MAN sequel with Skeletor appearing at the end of the movie after they think they killed him.
I was thinking that Spunkmeyer and Ferro took two eggs back to the Sulaco.
Spunkmeyer is seen loading goods in- asks "Do you need anything else?Bishop - eventually replays No.
it was also Bishop who tells them all "2 are alive the rest are dead"
Two face huggers and maybe two eggs.
Undisclosed.
Kept sealed instasis.
Unwittingly taken by Spunkmeyer and Ferro.
I like the theory that Bishop took it up while claiming the platform was unstable, but earlier in Aliens, when asked how long it would take to remote pilot the other shuttle, he says "One hour to patch in and align the antenna. Thirty minutes to prep the ship, then about fifty minutes flight time." It would have taken him about 100 minutes to fly to the Sulaco and back, not including the time it took to stow the egg onboard.
hypersleep nightmare lol never thought of that, I love it 😂
Lovely music.
Really enjoy your analysis of this great franchise.
After 30 years of watching the trilogy, Alien 3 has become my favorite part.
I always thought the queen some how got it in board. However, the last theory was the best.
I found your channel. I love Alien. I subscribed. Here I am lol
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The Alien 3 alternate script explains this within the first chapter. The Aliens alternate script also explains how a second egg (that we see in the Alien 3 movie) comes to be and also explains the presence of the alien drone found on the Sulaco in the Alien 3 alternate script.
With the 2 facehugger theory, I was always under the impression that there were 2 different types of Facehuggers, the standard one and a queen one that carried not only a standard alien embryo but also a queen.
Having said that, I think i prefer the idea of a hypersleep nightmare and also having said that, I don't consider the new movies live Covenant and Prometheus to be canon.
There never was an egg on the sulaco
I have deleted alien 3 from my memory
I just found this. And let me tell you, it brings me joy to find someone who can understand the beauty behind this and not just look at them as horror movies.
Very nice pace and good music, you're done an exceptional work. I'd love to see your personal opinion in each of the movies, you seem to be a good person to give that insight.
In the Alien lore, there's an alien type called "Carriers", who were fearsome, as they used to literally carry facehuggers on their backs, ready to jump on their enemies.
I personally think the Queen didn't lay an egg on the Sulaco (as shown previously, she would probably require an ovipositor, then again maybe not) , but rather she carried a facehugger on her back at some point and left it on the Sulaco as a plan B. The Queen was all about the survival of her species. She never underestimated her enemies. It is not unlikely that she proceeded that way, and even gave the facehugger special instructions to remain hidden until the time was right. I personally think this is the most believable theory about what really happened.
Unless an actual movie is made revealing that Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection were dreams then they are in fact canon.
As to how the egg got on the Sulaco I believe it was an emergency egg (or last egg stored within the Queen's body itself and not in her egg sac) that she laid on the drop ship she was in.
I also believe that the egg was still in the drop ship when we saw it in Alien 3, that would make better sense than it being anywhere else because the Queen was only in the drop ship prior to emerging from it.
The Queen must have squirreled away several eggs and brought them with her when she stowed away on the drop ship. It is improbable that Ripley destroyed all the eggs in the hive, there must have been a few surviving eggs for her to gather and carry. She also would have had plenty of time to place the eggs prior to her battle with Ripley. I personally love Alien 3, think it has the most emotional impact of any of the series. The fact fan favorites, like Hicks and Newt, were killed off so suddenly is what turns most people off.
I concur with this theory, BUT its Achilles heel is that the egg has been placed in the wrong place in the Sulaco!
How did the egg get on the Sulaco? That's easy. A sh@tty script.
I love how the possible explanations get progressively more preposterous.
Hyper sleep nightmare. I really wish Neil Blompkof could’ve made his alien 3 movie
If Bishop was anything like David, yes he did it, and given that David is a previous model, then there is no reason why he would not
It might have to be, depending on the free will theory. It's possible the Weyland-Yutani had remote control to Bishop for these things, and for the most part of the Aliens film never implemented that control (hence why the film made it seem like he was on the side of good). Only VERY briefly did they do it, in the critical state of colony, where they activated the protocol "Retrieve alien egg for us" on Bishop, and then remotely accessed his memories and wiped them, thus Bishop never knew he was the one who retrieved it. However the company's wipe was imperfect, and that's why in Alien 3, when Ripley got Bishop back online, he was able to remember that it had been with them all the way.
ragnarok1945 well judging by how David behave and given that he was a previous model to Bishop I imagine this would be the case
yakza5 Possibly. But from what we saw on screen, Bishop seemed mostly on the good side, despite telling Ripley that Burke wanted the facehugger specimens. By comparison from what we saw on screen for Prometheus, David clearly had darker alternatives.
ragnarok1945 Well I think Michael Fasbender nailed his role as David, he always look very emotionless, as a first gen android would, as opposed to Bishop, which was a later gen model that looked more human, hence the "he looked on the good side"
That's true, but early generations are supposed to be emotionless. Hell even Ash in the 1st Alien film looked way more human than David did. That was what made it hard to determine just who's side David was really on, because he seemed too indifferent to everything. Back when I watched the film for the 1st time, I felt David could care less if Weyland could get what he wanted from the Engineer or not.
proper explanation? bad writing.
The simplest explanation is usually the answer: Ripley’s destruction of the nest while escaping LV-246 showed her blowing up the queen’s ovipositor. While this may have destroyed any eggs left inside of it, it does not necessarily mean there wasn’t an egg still in the “chamber” (so to say) waiting to enter said ovipositor. But the sequence of events caused the queen to pinch up and separate herself from the the tube’s remnants in pursuit of her attackers. This next part however is the confusing possibility: When the drop ship arrives back on the Sulaco, the stowaway queen would have had to disembark quickly, go pinch the last egg purposely within the EEV (well hidden) and then make her way back to the strut well of the drop ship where she’d lay in wait to ambush Ripley and the synth. The xenomorph’s capacity for intelligent behavior was exhibited in Alien Resurrection leaving the door open for such a possibility. However, the queen’s timing would have been impeccable, haha.
Solid work dude, Thanks.
I love alien 3 (assembly cut) and I'm not afraid to admit it, even though it is a contrary opinion to many fans of this series. I like that the filmmakers tried to go against the grain, do something different and returned to a feeling of isolation and despair of the original film vs the action packed fun of Aliens (not downing Aliens it is a great movie I just prefer Alien3). It is not a perfect film by any stretch of the imagination, but the atmosphere and darkness fit perfectly into the series for me, and wraps up the trilogy nicely. Also, I don't think I've ever seen a film that looked quite like Alien 3, the colors and grain of the film are great giving off a gothic vibe, that probably has something to do with Jordan Cronenweth's limited involvement in the cinematography. Now Alien Resurrection on the other hand...
I love the notion that it was all a dream. This could be a great story line for a new film which continues Ripely's saga let's say 41 years after the confrontation with the queen. All 3 characters reprise their roles except for Bishop since he was destroyed by the queen and yes they would be much older and would have aged but the story could live on and introduce a reality where the company actually gets the alien face hugger like in resurrection or maybe there was a second group of Marines that went in only to retrieve the alien species at all cost sounds like a fans dream come true but at this point there have been too many hands in the Alien pot to make this even work so for now just wishful thinking.
Maybe: While Ripley's off rescueing Newt, Bishop gathers an egg. The queen carries a royal facehugger. Later on the Sulaco the royal facehugger scoots off with the egg and hides in the cryo room. After everyone falls asleep, the facehugger positions the egg. 🤷♂
Alien 3 was mega-underappreciated. I loved it. Great Tragedy is more like real life.
anyone know what the music is that was uses in this video?
I always liked the idea that Bishop secretly collected the facehuggers when Ripley was rescuing Newt. It would have been such a big twist and cemented that Bishop is a company android which completely undermines Ridley’s new found trust in him.
That..... I hadn't thought of that and it's bloody brilliant. It actually would explain a major plot hole in a damned believable fashion. Makes sense even for an android with the three laws programmed into it. Okay, the android IS programmed to actively preserve human life and thus would act to help Ripley. He will volunteer to go down the pipe to call the dropship. But he also has programming from the corporation whereby his orders from the corporation take precedence over this. Hell, his justification for going down that pipe to call down the dropship makes even more sense in this context. If his main mission that takes precedence over all others is to bring back alien samples, likely without anyone other than Burke knowing he is doing it, then he may be motivated by his programming to complete his mission rather than the three laws causing him to take the risk in place of a human being.
I actually love this theory now.
@@PumpkinHoard haha glad to be of service. It would have been a great reveal during the Bishop scene in Alien 3.
@@PumpkinHoard Although I REALLY hate the idea of droid Bishop being nefarious as it makes the franchise even more depressingly cynical than it already is, I have to concur that it's actually a genius idea, and in fact would've played well to the plot of Aliens. It takes 5 mins to fly from the colony HQ and the processor, then add the time Bishop needed to collect the egg(5-10 mins) it works out seamlessly:
Starting at T-26 mins to processor detonation(leaving HQ to processor)
2x5 min flights(HQ➡Processor and back)=10 mins
5-10 mins collecting egg(s?)
1x5 min flight(back to Processor)
So: 26-(10+10+5) mins
=26-25
=T-1 min to detonation- EXACTLY when Bishop reappeared with the dropship to rescue Riply & Newt!!
This theory works near-flawlessly with the plot of both Aliens & Alien 3(where the droid Bishop said it was with us all the way, and suddenly wants Ripley to disconnect him just before he had to reveal some damning info of the company, but debatable as he exposed Burke's plan earlier), even though I really want Bishop to be a good character!
@@jmwoods190 I love the idea he wanted to be disconnected before Ripley could ask him. Or even better, Ripley figured it out and terminated him quickly because she felt stupid for trusting a company android. I wish David Fincher would confirm this!
Bishop conspiracy theories make no sense. He was property of the Sulaco marine corps and had history with them, he wasn't a last minute company plant like Ash. Burke was the company plant with a personal agenda. Considering how WY did things, if they really wanted to get the alien from the mission to LV426, they'd have sent a hazmat team instead of Ripley. They did, once they were really interested in her and her Queen. They didn't care until maybe Burke ruffled some feathers before leaving and that made them question "so why did the old suits have the Nostromo rerouted 57 years ago?" and then they got wind of the Fury 161 crash because of the Sulaco black box transmissions and Andrews' report. IIRC, Jim Cameron had stated the whole Nostromo deal was forgotten by the time Ripley was rescued from space.
I read somewhere a facehugger carries an "egg" for a queen, and an "egg" to make drone, warrior, etc. Once the generic egg is laid, the facehugger dies so the queen "egg" does not accidentally impregnate anything. But, if it impregnates a queen "egg" first, it can stay alive afterward to impregnate another host for drone, warrior, etc. So, the same facehugger impregnated both Ripley AND the Ox.
Bishop's comment 'all the way' could mean that alien eggs were on board the Sulaco from its departure towards LV426 and the Company was hoping to obtain further specimens from the Queen for bioweapons research.
I have a question why does Weyland industries consider the Xenomorphs so valuable?
As it is with the comics, Weyland-Yutani want to weaponise them. They see the potential of the Xenomorphs (especially given their hivemind status) as a means to create an unstoppable force they can use where or whenever they choose.
The Aliens also have mental telepathy as a weapon to use against any being. Making the being want to either be a host or help in breeding the Alien species. They do not just attack physically.
You guys think we will see any Engineers in the new film?
If I remember the comic correctly Alien 5 should have an Engineer show up. They should be very rare IF Shaw destroyed them on their home planet.
You noticed how the Engineer's suit is like a bio-armor in Prometheus. The neck part of the suit seemed almost fused to the skin. And lol how would Shaw all by herself kill them all? But I hope we get to see more of them . My scifi fantasy would be a Human vs Xenomorph vs Engineer vs Predator showdown because they all exist in the same universe. It would be bloody messy and very satisfying :-)
what's the name of this music background
from 3:00 to 3:21 This may explain how Bishop knew about the Alien on board the Solaco by the end scenes of the Aliens movie.
The most logical explanation tends to be the right one. Bishop put it there.
If I were Ripley, after the queen encounter and changing my shorts, I would have searched the Sulaco, the dropship, under my bed, etc. for any Alien remnants. The opening of Alien 3 made no sense to me.
That's a good point. Ripley would know how sneaky they are, she'd be smart enough to realize that just defending off the queen isn't grounds for a happy ending, all is well sort of thing. I'd definitely have checked the Sulaco like looking for a needle in a haystack.
What music track is in the video? Really love it.
Murat Gaev GarageBand
Murat Gaev Huma Huma- Hydra
I agree with the hypersleep nightmare theory. In my mind, the Alien storyline, as far as the films are concerned, ends with Aliens. Just as Star Wars ends with Return of the Jedi.
Watching Aliens right now and wondering if maybe a drone alien was “instructed” to sneak an egg on when Bishop is parked up on the destabilizing landing area (when Ripley goes back to find Newt). He parks there for a while before it all starts to fall apart and then he has to circle around. Maybe the xenomorphs had some sense that the reactor was gonna go off (or at least understood that danger was imminent) so they snuck on an egg as a way to extend the life of the hive. Who knows… we probably never will but throwing that out there.
I love the Alien movie saga. I was 14 when I first saw the very first one Alien movie,but I didn't like part 3
The director's cut is actually really good.
@@EricMalette assembly cut wasnt bad. Comparing that with the theatrical cut it shows the potential the film would have had if fox studio hadnt micromanaged the whole thing.
Also they green lighted a script that didnt really exist. If you watch the making of it you get to see all of the problems that they encountered while trying to make the film.
As well as the struggles they endured. Even though at this point David Fincher absolutely hates this film i think he did an amazing job at pulling off a miracle.
@@jasonleslie203 Interesting. You'd think people would do what's best rather than rush shit through.
@@EricMalette totally agree. Unfortunately as you probably know 99% of everything is literally controlled by the marketing department they're so desperate to rush things out.
And at the time that Alien 3 was going to be made Fox was in desperate need of money and hoping the bank on alien franchise as their next best hit for funding other films. But as you know that didn't happen.
Another thing was i think that fox studios was going threw another new management for their company president at the time(cant recall accurately at this point). And so David Spencer and Sigourney Weaver we're taking elements of three or four different scripts and placing them all into 1, but having to call Fox Studios all the way across the world just to get permission to continue filming scenes, Etc. And I think that like two or three directors quit before they even started really filming. I believe cause the studio wasnt giving the freedom they needed to get anything done.
Just 100% Nightmare. And even though a lot of people didn't like its been said by a lot of the cast and crew that it was even a miracle that they even got the film done. But they actually had to go back about 2 or 3 months after filming finushed and had to redo the ending because they wanted to see the queen chestburster come out.
If you haven't had a chance I would highly recommend watching the making of this film. because whether you liked or hated it you get a definite respect for the endurance, creativity and patience of a lot of people
@@jasonleslie203 I have the Alien box set it must me on there right?
I like the idea that it's all a cryo-sleep nightmare. Newt is alive. She has to be.
Simple narrative ellipsis. If you put a hen in a box, let it out later, and find an egg inside, one can reasonably guess what happened. The egg-laying xeno was on the Sulaco, later an egg was present; she must've lain it there.
"But the queen can't lay eggs without her ovipositor." Yes, she can; Alien 3 (a canon story) told us so by showing us the egg. It is accepted screenwriting practice to create new rules, lucky breaks, and retroactive continuity elements that benefit the antagonist in order to maintain or increase difficulty and danger for the protagonist.
"The queen didn't have time to get to the locker room and back." An unspecified amount of time passes between the moment that the dropship touches down and the moment that the characters exit it. Also, the compartment shown could be anywhere, including just below the hangar deck plating; we've no reason to believe that it is, indeed, the same locker room previously seen (within the narrative; obviously it is the same set).
"Facehuggers can only lay one embryo apiece." Kane was in isolation when his parasite detached and it clearly lived long enough to climb into the overhead recess, probably dying right before dropping onto Ripley's shoulder, since she did nothing to dislodge it. It appears that a facehugger will die without a host or amniotic environment (original egg or stasis tube, e.g.), but there's no reason to believe that the creature is absolutely incapable of implanting more than one host.
Any number of different events could have transpired between the glimpses offered in Alien 3's opening sequence. I consider it one of the film's strengths that Ripley is not so preoccupied with a complete explanation of what happened, as it would've bogged down the story. I'm quite happy with the stellar "We're fucked" montage and certain puzzle pieces being left to the imagination.
Hypersleep nightmare contest between Ripley, Hicks, Newt. Then Bishop joined in, saying "Hold my neurons. Listen to THIS one!" All four are still alive in hibernation waiting for arrival.
The egg got there because the queen laid it.
We watched aliens when it first came out, and at the end when they are all going into cryo-sleep, we were all saying to each other that there must be an egg somewhere that the queen has laid.
Just because the queen lost that tube does not mean she can't lay an egg. The tube was just used for placing the eggs in certain spots so they could be spread out rather than all sitting in a big pile.
You forgot to mention the Runner Xenomorph, in Alien 3: The Assembly Cut, was born from the ox.
Nanoparticles, would grow, same as we have seen in prometheus and Alien covenant, but as we learned in Prometheus there is always an extra room and extra cargo...
Nightmare. Even if the Queenomorph or Bishop brought an egg, I don't see it being missed by the fine-toothed comb triple-search that Ripley would've done before she went to hyper-sleep.
Here is my theory. Everything after Aliens is just a load of wank.
I love wanking
I won't let my kids watch anything beyond the first two movies!
That's an awesome statement
Logic checks out.
but it inpregnated a cow!
(I have special edidtion directors cut)
Within the story universe, I've always thought it made sense the company sent a small surveillance craft over to the planet while Ripley and the marines were down there. They wanted to hedge their bets on getting a specimen and could easily send a capture crew to harvest an egg from the derelict and place it in the Sulaco to contaminate the crew if needed. This is the most plausible explanation of them all.
Much more likely though, is that no thought whatsover was given to this issue. Quite simply, an egg needed to be onboard the ship to drive the storyline, and so there was one. Simple as that.
I reject any post Aliens movie as cannon.
In fact, in the early 90's I was in a chip shop in Edinburgh and I found myself standing behind Brian Glover.
I hardly believe this myself, but it was cold, rainy winter's night and he had an overcoat and flat cap on and all I could see was the skin of his bald head between the back of his cap and his coat collar but for some reason I instantly knew it was him.
I looked around and said hello and we got chatting. I was around age 26 at the time and he was with his son. It turns out he was visiting Edinburgh as he was in the musical 'Annie Get Your Gun' there.
I told him I was from near where he grew up in West Yorkshire.
He was with his ten year old son and was picking up some supper after his performance.
We chatted a bit and he was super friendly. I told him that I didn't like Alien 3 and he agreed with me that it wasn't very good. He said something along the lines of 'It's one of those movies you just get your head down and do it for the money'.
I told him that I loved American Werewolf in London and his face lit up. He pointed his index finger at me and said 'now that were a good movie'.
He then ordered his fish and chips.
We said it's nice to meet you and he said likewise and said 'goodnight lads' then was off.
Top bloke.