Weyland-Yutani Weighs in on the Sulaco Egg Mystery
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2023
- Is there an "official" answer for how the alien egg got on the Sulaco? The Weyland-Yutani Report article "Hive Expansion" may provide some clarity.
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I just figured the queen had “one in the chamber” so to speak. Figure she had an egg inside her when she was detaching from massive egg laying thing she had when the plant was going up in smooe.
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My thoughts exactly
Exactly my theory. Just because the proboscis had been detached, didn't mean she was finished laying eggs. Besides, this is the perfect organism after all; they can adapt to any environment, including an extinction event.
One in the chamber lol
The queen is very smart so it makes sense that she somehow brought one or more eggs with her to help her build a new hive.
Not only HOW it got on there is a mystery....but just how the hell is ended up at that angle on the ceiling.
ITs like another xenomorph placed it there with the stuff that they use to create a hive/nest.
Bear in mind, too, that the egg wasn't on the drop ship, but was in the EEV (equivalent to the one Rilpley escaped in from the Nostromo). Neither the queen nor a hypothetical drone went that far into the ship.
When tne airlock was open heavy debris was flying everywhere the egg weighs 60 pounds. it could have been upright and then knocked in to that position during the decompression.
@@HumanHamCube That's really fanciful thinking.
We can try all day to explain it, but it's most likely a "mistake" by the Alien 3 writing/crew who don't understand how careful a hive is with it's eggs. They wouldn't place it in such a vulnerable position. And if Burke ordered Bishop to do it, he would have placed it on the floor.
@Soldier4USA2005 you're right it's probably just a lazy patch for a plot hole but everything about the alien life cycle is mysterious. Don't know if a singular reproductive capability is singularly canon. It could be queen = egg is just one of many ways an egg can manifest. Look at the "Black pathogen" it uses many adaptive routes. The hive itself could be alive and covered with spores. Ripley and newt walked around the hive. Could have even been something on their shoes. The queen itself may just be the protector of the ovipositor that is concentrating the mutagen Just interesting to think about.
Always assumed that Bishop had picked up the egg and hid it onboard. He was controlled by the company, after all, and it would explain why he flew the drop ship away while Ripley went to get Newt in the hive. If the platform had gotten unstable, why fly away and out of sight from it, instead of hovering safely above, where he could keep watch for Ripley/Newt?
(Not suggesting that this is cannon, btw, it just fixes several plot holes simultaneously, and makes sense to me.)
I like that. No matter how empathic, androids are programmed.
For me Bishop took one of those eggs or Facehuger in the Adleys Hope water Bath where they were waiting for studying
I've never liked that theory because it paints Bishop as evil and completely undoes his entire character arc and shows Ripley should have never trusted him. Personally, I believe that the Queen had one with her from the original chamber she was in and after Ripley went to get the power loader, she stuffed it where it is found in Alien 3 before hunting Newt. Bishop wasn't in any good position to be able to fully observe her movements anyway.
Do that. Bishop cannot be made into a villain.
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I think Bishop took the egg up to the Silaco with him. He found a way to pick one up before he pick up Hicks and went to go get Ripley and newt and hid it on th shuttle.
He had the time too before picking everyone up and He was probably under secret orders to recover a egg or facehugger for the company in case what his name failed to recover one.
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What always troubled me is that there might be some plausible way in which the egg got onto the drop ship, but as mentioned, the egg is in the infrastructure of the SULACO (not the drop ship). Also, the angle at which the egg is placed (stuck in a corner, facing down) is very unusual and not like anything I can remember seeing before or since. When the face hugger emerges, the background looks like it’s under the flooring of where Ripley battled the Queen. But this doesn’t look like the same place as where the egg was placed - it’s hard to tell, but it looks like the egg is in the armoury. So, I’m still scratching my head as to how this all adds up 🧐😬😆 Thanks as always for your great content and for your passion for the series
I always thought that the egg shot could have been through ripleys dream state and her subconscious intuition/fear that maybe something was on board. I know that gets dicey logic wise, but nightmares have happened as scenes (in Aliens). Also when Kane was incapacitated he had horrible dreams.
I like that idea. As Newt said, they mostly come at night, when we are asleep
Anything which takes that turd Alien 3 out of physical reality is good for me.
@theradgegadgie6352 Alien³ is great. It's a ballsy anti-fan service film that could never be made today. It doesn't care If the audience likes it. It's far more complex in its themes than the other films.
@loganw6156 I guess the only thing I can say is.... you say all that like it's a good thing.
By all means have people do their personal vanity projects with their own silly "edgy" ideas; but step into and trample all over peoples' beloved franchise legacy characters with blundering size 14 Doc Martins at your peril, because your dumb arse will lose lots of money and go down in history for making a Turd Of All Times, just as David Fincher did here. That's not entirely fair, of course, as Fincher was cursed with layer upon layer of studio interference, but I think it likely "his vision" would've sucked balls anyway.
I've always liked the one that Bishop said he had to circle around because the landing zone was too unstable but secretly went and got an egg and brought it back to the ship without knowing because it's a Weyland-Yutani program that would blank his memory he certainly sounds like something Weyland-Yutani would do and I believe there's a video that explains that it is in the realm of possibility with the time frames
That’s a good point
I think that's a huge stretch... he'd have to land the dropship somewhere in the already compromised structure, run down to the egg chamber (he didn't know where it was) while not encountering any drones or being totally ignored by them, snatch an egg without causing the Queen to freak out, run back to the ship, fly ALL the way up to Sulaco (AFAIR the egg is pretty clearly seen inside the Sulaco, not the drop ship, and he'd have to do that before the final scene because later he's in pieces), plant the egg there with some alien matter, fly ALL the way down and manage it in time to pick up Ripley? Yea... I dunno about that.
@@benjimlem1284 its been established that xenos ignore androids, its perfectly possible for Bishop to go into the nest and collect an egg. The only reason queen takes bishop 😁 is because she was mad and 'it' stood in her way (ialso was a good dramatic 'reveal' shot) one could argue that Bishop lied about the dropship, maybe it had an auto pilot that homed in on the landingbeacon, so the time it needed to come from the ship in space and land Bishop had plenty of time to go and collect an egg.
@@DanteKenchi personally I like to consider those things within the context of the movie itself or said movie and movies before it, I don't know at what point it was established that xenos ignore androids but I don't think it was by Aliens... but even that granted, it's still a huge stretch in my book - he simply didn't have much time to do it. We don't even know if inside of the structure there was enough space to land... But okay, lets assume Bishop let Ripley out on that platform just so she has to use the elevator down (that takes a while) while flying down, sitting down near the ground, finding his way to the nest while being ignored by xenos, grabbing a weird looking egg (that looks smaller and attached with xeno goo in Alien 3), boarding the ship (while still being ignored by the xenos and not having hicks die there and then flying up to grab Ripley... yeeeah idk about that. Wouldn't Ripley notice the egg attached inside the drop ship? And if it wasn't inside the drop ship how did it survive the atmosphere-to-Sulaco travel? It's all a huge stretch. Personally I'd sooner think Queen could have planted some small, left-over egg while Ripley was suiting up, but that assumes Ripley didn't think to scan the ship afterwards and the egg not being sucked out by the vacuum... IT JUST DONT WORK! :T^)))
@benjimlem1284 the angle of the egg could have happened due to the depressurization of the airlock it could have been upright when it was set/laid
I think the idea that the queen still had a couple of eggs in development doesn't make sense because why would she have that huge ovipositor for the eggs to 'cycle' through if they were already fully formed at the sphincter juncture?
I think Bishop had a default 2nd hard drive directive to obtain a specimen. Because of this, his primary memory bank and personality would be unaffected, and therefore, not lead on anything. Now, as for where he got the specimens - I believe there were two eggs hidden away in Medlab that only he read about in the log. He mentioned the two live facehuggers and the other dead ones, but that's it. When Spunkmeyer asked him if he needed anything else, Bishop's 2nd drive was already kicked in - giving him a cold, zoned out, psychotic image, different from his usual accomodating persona. After he brought down the other dropship, he either went to pick up the stashed eggs, *OR* this is what happened in the abandoned 'tunnel crawling' addition scene - after the scare with the drone, he followed the opening to the nest and obtained two eggs, then got back on track in the pipe. The xeno's ignored him, of course. Remember, Weyland-Yutani already had knowledge of the aliens, so there is no way they were sending out a 100% goody-two-shoes android without a very specific prime directive - they were just 6 decades smarter about how they would accomplish it.
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Alien3 felt like it was made by someone who hated Aliens and wanted to erase it.
That said, the idea that always fit the best in my mind was that someone boarded the Sulaco white they were asleep. Any number of things could've taken place, from short scenarios where someone simply brought an egg, to extended ones where the ship became a hive.
Who would have boarded and why did they just randomly shove it somewhere (upside down, no less), instead of simpy continue taking it with them?
Actually there are 2 versions of Aliens 3, the version people hate is the one that most people have watched, but there is a second version that is 10 times better.
@@donhansen5677 Personally, I don't rate it as better. Just different. Some things the original cut does better, like the switch to no chestburster feels anticlimactic.
I always just assumed the queen had an egg still inside her since she was in the process of laying eggs when Ripley blew up her ovipositor and held it in as she chased Ripley and Newt out of the hive. They were back onboard the ship for enough time that the Queen could hide it somewhere, as Ripley and Bishop were attending to Hicks' medical conditions. So she could have done it quickly and then hid back in the landing gear or even after she first came out of the dropship, the queen would have had enough time to hide the egg somewhere when Ripley hid and went to get the Power Loader. That's been my theory since I was 9 years old and saw the movie anyways, lol.
There were open flooring panels everywhere. Could have fallen out in to an open panel.
That's just false, the real resason is bad screen writing.
I just have this image of a Drone, taking up an egg, arcing its arm back and throwing it like a football at the dropship. It's a last ditch effort to save the young. The processor is exploding and it's not known if the Queen will make it out. The Drone sees the egg latch onto the dropship as it jets out. The Drone throws up its arms in a 'Touchdown!' motion then is obliterated.
Canon
LOL
LOL, I would respect that more than what we've been left with. That drone's host had the all-time Quarterback Rating record on the Hadley's Hope football team.
It’s important to have this conversation. I think it brings to light how ludicrous the idea is. Trying to make sense out of nonsense. Even the Director of Alien3 knows how ridiculous the idea is.
Lots of plot queries across the franchise:
What happened to the crews weapons in Alien, after Ash lets Dallas, Kane and Lambert back on the ship they're never mentioned or seen again iirc.
The signal from the ship glossed over in Aliens when they surveyed LV-426 and also didn't see a huge ship sitting on the surface less than 18 miles from the colony they set up.
Ash entering the mother mainframe room with Ripley without sound, or the subsequent scene cut with Ripley having a bloody nose and Ash leaking 'milk'.
How did Jonesy get in the closed box when they're searching for the chestburster?
Ripley is stronger than the vacuum to space, or why the queen didn't grab the ladder like Ripley did?
Where exactly did Burke think he was going?
The eggs on the Sulaco...
There's lots more little things, just goes to show how good these movies were though, none of them make an iota of difference to my enjoyment of them.
The signal from the LV-426 derelict was disabled by the crew of the salvage ship _Anesidora_ in order to prevent others from staking their own claim to the find.
Source: _Alien: Isolation_
Jonesy was out and about when the crew was looking for the chestburster. The closed box came into play, when Ripley was evacuating the ship. While Lambert and Parker were getting the oxygen or chill tanks.
@@Cybermat47 Yeah I know that, loved Isolation, never played the dlc's but I am aware of that. Still outwith the movies though and nearly 30yrs later to get that explanation. lol
Why they didn't seal off the air vent in the antechamber between operations and medical that they used to escape the operations battle as well
The xenos could have used it to ambush them just as easily
@@gridlock7425 Are you referring to the the battle were the xenomorphs are in the ceiling? Because it was the last battle, and the place was going to blow very soon. They were running to the drop ship.
It was in the end credits of Aliens with the egg opening. Note on FURY 141, Bishop said he was home. No one noticed.... It was a trap to get a queen and Hadleys hope had cameras and the company knew via the dream machine David had what went on.... They found Ripley sooner than they let on
Wow
I always thought Hadleys Hope was the "Field Test" for the bio weapons divisions test of its effectiveness. Hence why they sent in a bunch of bottom tier marines and baited the only people that knew about the creature (Burke and Ripley) in to be casualties or hosts in the event of their escape and bringing a stowaway/specimen
What do you mean? There's no egg opening in the end credits of Aliens.
@@S-T-E-V-Enot an actual scene. But at the end credits you hear an egg opening
The audio of the egg hatching after the end credits was added when Aliens Special Edition released on dvd in 1999.
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What I tell myself: After Ripley saved Newt and Sub-sequentially destroys the queens hive, the queen seeks vengeance. Upon separating herself from the birthing canal she takes an egg(s) secretes it to her herself for transport and eventually places it in the sulaco. It (or they) hatchs, one impregnating Ripley, and then the dog or Ox in Alien 3. Whichever alien 3 movie script you prefer.
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If we assume that a queen can exceptionally lay eggs without that egg sac to ensure survival of the species, there's no mystery to be solved, that's pretty much what xenomorphs are insanely good at, adapt and survive.
I kind of like the "Alien queen secreted material that wasn't an egg yet, but became an egg" theory they mentioned. This would seem to tie into the fact that humans can be morphed into eggs by coating them with certain material in absence of a queen. Maybe the queen herself can secrete something that can slowly morph into an egg. This also would seem to tie to the functions of the substance in Prometheus and Covenant. It too, can morph or adapt to fit different situations.
Heck, that could possibly explain how TWO eggs were formed and why the alien that came out of the dog/cow was even more adapted to that animal's movement type and such. If the egg itself was made from adaptive growth, it could also explain the more adaptive alien.
I like the idea that the facehugger we see on the crashed EEV is who brought an egg on board the Sulaco. The egg does appear to be a smaller egg so it was able to carry it with its tail and then that same facehugger infected the dog (or ox) later. It was either on the back of the Queen while escaping the processor meltdown or at least following closely behind when the Queen snuck into the drop ship landing gear.
The Sulaco was intercepted by a company ship which was shadowing the mission the entire time. This shadow crew rescued an egg or eggs and snuck onboard to insert an egg
That works too. It does seem a military ship could be followed by a company or government ship that would either support, monitor, or destroy a failing mission.
🔴Knowing Ripley, I doubt she was conveniently so careless this time around that she didn't scan the SULACO for foreign bodies, even though a 20-foot monster managed to sneak into the ship
How it Should Have Ended did a good sketch on exactly this. Also the ship should have scanned the entiee ship for contaminates or foreign bodies
Agreed
What I think is that because most of the crew we saw was sent down to the planet, it gave Wayland a chance to have a person or synthetic board the ship and place the egg in a spot people won't be expecting
I say most of the crew because we don't actually see anyone else on that ship except for the people who went down to the planet.
This sort of makes sense, since Wayland is always wanting to find opportunities to study zenomorphs, and maybe chose Ripley as the host as they might of read a briefing of her experience on the planet from the 1st movie
It's funny so much discussion can revolve around 1 second of screen time. If you asked me about my Head-Canon I'd say there never was an egg on board and that the whole opening is a waking dream Ripley is having before crashing, and that the queen had just carried the facehugger on her body, also I like the idea of it being a Queen-Hugger. If I had to give a valid reason for it, I'd say the queen brought the egg aboard and tucked it away while no one was looking 🤷♂️.
Waking dream would make sense (even though that's not what it is but it's a cool concept). The facehuggers could have crawled aboard when Bishop initially boarded, or along with the queen.
At the end of the day, it's really just an oversight or a poorly written scene by a stressed director on a deadline, it's ridiculous that fans spend so much time trying to contort our thinking to make it all fit together as though it actually took place and there is a logical explanation, but it is kind of fun to speculate.
I asked this question the first time I watched and have never been able to figure it out to my satisfaction. Thanks! Great video!
I think it's easier to imagine these eggs magically materialising when you consider the "black goo" direction that Prometheus / Covenant took the franchise in where basically any Alien DNA can evolve into eggs and aliens.
Could have been a small premature egg that fell out of the queen, got stuck in the corner and developed upside down
Personally I imagined, that during the escape on LV-426 the Queen in distress hunting down Ripley, a soldier xenomorph attached onto the Queen in the attempt to help her onto the drop ship. But instead of falling off of the ship it too latched on all the way up to the Sulaco. So when we see the drop ship parked and the Queen moving away from it, the xenomorph had already crawled away silently and hid on the ship. IF you accept this, then the twist in the story was that the xenomorph that hitched a ride on its Queen was a young queen itself, not entirely developed but able to lay eggs *hence why it looked different and placed oddly. It can then be argued that the xenomorph starts out as the typical looking xenomorph only later starts morphing into the Queen *like certain bugs do if the colony looses the queen. Finally, due to the metamorphosis or chrysalis, the lack of nutrients the young queen didn't survive the trip beyond giving birth two a few eggs onboard. So the ship would in fact have a couple more eggs laying around (one that hatched, two that didn't and one deformed). The young queen spending all its energy to lay the eggs, would simply die somewhere on the ship and none of the eggs or the young queen would be found on the prison planet. This would work for me.
the problem is that they made a lot of script holes and the explanations they offer don't make sense, I think the best theory is: that it was a dream, a bad dream.
Even James Cameron disagreed with the direction Alien 3 took.
My personal opinion is that everyone draw their own conclusions and take the best theory that suits their tastes, at the end of the day until they release a movie like the one Neill Blomkamp intended to make as a true sequel, we'll be left with the unknown.
It's simply bad writing. There is no need for fan rationalization for this plot implausibility.
They wanted to make this MOVIE and just made it up. for the story. THAT;'S IT.
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Ive always just gone with the easiest assumption that the queen was able to lay the eggs real quick or had grabbed one or two and carried them with her. Yes how an egg got onboard is a bit of a plot hole, but the more you try to explain it, the bigger you make the hole and just confuse yourself more. In the video game AvP Extinction, there's a special type of drone that carried face huggers around on it to infect enemies and creature's to expand the hive. I could see something like this being possible.
the egg looks like it was placed under the statis pods in the floor panels, maybe bishop was still carrying out Burk's orders as he mentioned ''he was very specific about it'' Burk could've had company directive codes that override bishop's programming.
Bishop wasn't company property, any more than F-35s are 'owned' by Lockheed, once handed over to the US military.
After reading the comic book adaptation of the William Gibson script, I think the easiest explanation is that this is a remnant of the egg on the Sulaco in that story, which was found growing out of Bishop's severed torso after his cryo tube was opened. Presumably (I didn't fully understand it), this was from a spore implanted when Bishop was impaled by the queen, and the comic's idea was all about the alien changing to become more of a molecular transformation organism like the Thing or the Prometheus black liquid (and I bet it's where they also got the idea for the hybrid in Alien: Resurrection).
This would explain why it's seemingly growing into/out of an upper corner in a random hallway rather than obviously placed and hidden in the normal orientation by a drone or someone else, since that's where the spore just happened to end up.
Alternatively, everyone always comments that the Sulaco is a huge ship for such a small force on such an assumed small mission, and it was left unattended during the mission to the surface and no one was awake on the trip back to Earth. Perhaps a drone could've snuck in while Ripley was busy fighting the queen, or Weyland (Colonial Marines) or other scavengers (Gibson comic) did intercept the ship and disturb whatever burgeoning infestation had sprouted, causing the fire and forcing the facehugger to latch onto Ripley.
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Personally, I've always thought that the queen laying the eggs some time before her battle with Ripley. I hadn't even considered that a drone or two could've placed them on the queen's orders. Honestly, either way makes sense and will both be better answers than "Bishop did it".
It wasn't on the dropship.
If there were adults around, why weren't they protecting the Queen and cocooning Ripley, Newt and Hicks, for those same eggs?
Bishop got torn in half moments after docking, right in front of Ripley. He made it maybe 10 steps from the dropship.
Even if he had been acting on secret evil programming, he never had time to go hide an egg.
Also, I've always found it hard to believe that Ripley didnt check the dropship and the hangar bay after flushing the queen. After what just happened, and what had happened on the Nostromo she would want to be damn sure before going into hypersleep.
Some spider babies, once they hatch, will latch onto their mother while she walks around with them to a better area for them to either eat her or just to find a more "target rich' environment to flourish. Ive seen spiders do this, its hideous but fascinating.
So I would think perhaps an alien hatchling, sensing danger and fire and perhaps the queens calling, latched onto her tail to escape the hostile environment. The queen then carried one or more to the Sulaco.
'These things ain't spiders, stupido' - Pvt Vasquez. Just being funny, friend
Nice explanation !! And very plausible
They weren't facehuggers, though. These were whole eggs and she clearly isn't carrying any.
If they were facehuggers, they would have simply attacked Ripley, Newt or Hicks.
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The thing is there is no way that the Queen could have deposited two eggs in the Hyper-sleep chamber where it was shown to be in Alien 3!
I think as Ripley was destroying the nest, when the queen broke free a facehugger hitched a ride on the queens back just like baby spiders do then it hid in the landing gear. Now this would have made more sense to me.
Whoa never heard of "its a hypersleep nightmare" so cool🤯
There's another problem. How the queen got into the dropship unnoticed? I mean, the dropship was relatively small, the landing gear compartment wasn't the most spacious one and the queen itself must've weighted, what - 1000 lbs/500kg, or more? Bishop and sensors would figure out that something is wrong. Even after the blast when they were heading towards Sulaco. So, how the hell the queen has been unnoticed? :)
it's definitely conceivable that the queen would go into fight or flight mode and produce a one off egg that would carry the species on, weather that's just a queen egg or a double embryo egg, it does make some sense and likelihood she was able to emergency create that kind of egg with some detriment to her lifespan or something like that. It is also cool that it hasn't been fully explained leaving it to the individual viewer to follow their own theory if they so wish, and always a good movie debate :)
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I've adopted the William Gibson's Alien 3 audiodrama into my personal canon. It is far more fun and interesting than the Alien 3 film. I wish they'd do an animated version.
I think it can be clever when a story offers a mystery that allows discussion about how or what ifs.
The funny thing is that it is actually the actual egg that's the problem. A face hugger alone, be it a regular or a "royal" one could have easily been brought aboard by the queen.
Potentially, but there would have still been the issue of why didn't it/they bother to attack Ripley, Newt or Hicks. Those are incredibly aggressive.
@Xenomorphine That's right. I think it can be explained away by saying that it waited for the right moment to strike. I'm not sure about the movies but at least in the games facehuggers can be pretty stealthy.
@@markusroth8770 Stealthy unless a target of opportunity comes by, yes - something the films make clear. ESPECIALLY if a Queen is present.
There would have been zero reason for them not to attack against unarmed humans wandering around.
@Xenomorphine This is getting speculative on my part: but maybe it would have been some sort of "backup facehugger". Some sort of last resort that online comes into action if the hive and the queen is destroyed.
I guess my point is: The filmmakers could have come up with some variant that doesn't require an egg.
I always assumed that the Queen Alien had some eggs internally that eject if there is enough stress to her at any point. Though we didn't see it, she may have pushed a few out in the last moments of her life... Again, though we didn't see it. I know there are many insects that drop eggs if the are crushed or any other major damage happens to them before they are able to lay them naturally.
I legit think about this often, sometimes before i sleep i try to explain it but i just cant ever come to a conclusion lol
SD Perry really understand the alien universe. Him writing the report as a complete mystery, and not confirming foul play on the Company's part, is pure gold. It is a way to say "we will never truly know what happened".
S.D. Perry is a woman.
My brain canon is that the queen salvaged 1 egg that ripley did not burn and just carried it in her arms. When she got below the dropship she took that half hour to vomit royal jelly on it to make it hatch a royal face hugger capable of creating 1 queen first and then a drone to protect her.
A drone (stealthily) carrying away egg of a queen to start a new colony - that's actually rad theory, a believable one at that.
The Queen had a few extras in her pipe, she dropped them on the Sulaco before Ripley blew her out the air lock.
My favorite theory is that Bishop smuggled the egg on board, yet he was not even aware of it due to some sort of hidden backdoor program installed by The Company.
"It was with us ALL the way". Bishop knows.
At the very end of the end credits of Aliens, there is a littel sound bite of Alien egg opening.
I remade the intro to alien 3 where the face hugger crawls out, enjoy
I think the queen just placed the egg off screen in a random corner while in the hangar bay.
I always figured that the queen would've been internally carrying an egg and could've produced it in flight back to the sulaco and adhered it to the landing gear well. Also the look of the Egg shown in Alien 3 does make it look different than what was encountered on the hive on LV-426. Could be a specialized version only matured queens are capable of producing.
Both good theories !
My thought process is that the Ovomorphs can be created as "seeds". Whilst immobile, the Queen doesn't need to lay them quickly, so they grow (rapidly, as is the case with Xeno growth) in the egg sac. Unattached to this sac, though, I think the Queen can lay "seeds" that grow into larger, mature eggs - this would explain how a Queen can start to build a nest without being vulnerable. So, on the Sulaco, she was able to plant this "seed" somewhere, which grew into a mature Ovomorph after the survivors had entered cryosleep. Rather than lay two eggs, I think the Queen Egg (likely triggered by pheromones etc. and probably always dormant within the Queen from gestation) develops a Royal Facehugger which contains two embryos - one for a Queen, one for a Drone. It plants the Queen embryo, which takes longer to develop, then finds a second host to act as the Queen's guardian whilst she grows and begins forming a nest. The Drone also captures hosts for future implantation, whilst serving as a backup for Hive development if the Queen is lost - the Drone can moult into a Queen later on.
That's all my preference and such, but I think it's simple enough to say that the Queen always carries the genetic material necessary to form Ovomorphs - and specifically at least one Royal Ovomorph - and she planted this material on the Sulaco.
Whether or not you like it? The only possible way that egg got there is Bishop! There’s no other way round it! Who knows maybe Bishop got Hicks infected also as he was unconscious whilst waiting for Ridley?
I mean I remember there being a comic, not sure which one, that had a decently plausible explanation of how the egg got there. Basically during the moment when the queen was ripping up bishop, she put an egg in his slimy Android body so no one would notice until it was too late
People who respond to people questioning plot holes with "because the writers said so," or "why do you care" are the kind of people who just lack critical thinking.
The most logical conclusion to me was that the queen had an egg gestating, she laid it and hid it to keep it safe from Ripley who she knew could destroy it. She was hiding it until she could secure newt and Ripley as hosts.
My second favourite movie ever is Aliens… but the queen getting aboard the drop ship was a stretch enough… that it also brought an egg on board you can give me a break! Bishop 100%
How would the company know that the queen had had an egg sack that she left in the hive? Ripley wouldn't have had time to provide a description of what she saw when rescuing Newt.
The Hadleys Hope colonists could have reported the Queen details also Ripley could have given a report before they prepped for statis.
“How did an alien egg get aboard the Sulaco?”
The studio didn’t have any good ideas for a sequel?
Thanks for that one, pretty interesting. I think the Alien Queen is a cut above the drones and probably has a nuclear option or last chance egg. I think the problem is that it is tricky to see where she carried it, I mean the Cheyenne Drop Ship landing gear is a pretty tight fit for the Mama, and let alone one of the fully formed eggs. Perhaps, after she chased after Ripley and then chased down Newt in the hanger conduits, she could have laid some egg forming matter somewhere? Timing is everything I guess? I think the big problem for Alien 3 is that it's predecessors use the opening credits etc. to set up the story positively for the viewer, whereas it does the opposite, e.g. sets up a very bleak start and the egg comes across as a bit of a 'Mcguffin of convenience.' Had David Fincher set it up a tiny bit more, the egg could have been more realistic for the majority I suggest. The extended cut does that a bit with the super face hugger, but as someone who watched both previous films when they opened too, I was pumped up to see what the three and a half survivors would do next together, therefore in 5 mins, I wondered what the hell was going on. There are some super cast members in A3 and the extended version gives it redemption but the Theatrical Cut in first watching in the cinema was too bleak for me.
Carry it where? The queen was on the drop ship, and the hanger of the sulaco. The queen was nowhere near the Cryo sleep chambers.
I am one of those fans who likes to believe that Alien 3 was Ripley battling her past traumas and biggest fears in cryosleep. With bastardizations of the worst scumbags she’s had to deal with like Bishop-II being a representation of both her past paranoia of Bishop and Ash killing her crew and friends. Maybe even a little bit of the company worm more slimy than the Xenomorphs, Burke. But I do kind of wonder if Burke had a desperate contingency plan and someone he was still in contact with aboard the Sulaco. A stowaway perhaps? Maybe even a Working Joe if they still exist. But I think the fact that there is no explanation in the actual movie and most attempts to come up with one bothers me the most. I adore Newt and Hicks and was so angry to see them die off screen during the opening credits without so much as a goodbye, (well, Newt at least considering the Hicks retcon) but I can kind of understand wanting to the meanest and most nihilistic movie in the franchise after Aliens gets falsely labeled as nothing but a more light hearted pure adrenaline pumping action movie for so long, (despite having some of the scariest moments in the franchise and is even more claustrophobic than even the original at times.) But had the actual movie itself given a proper explanation, I think I would’ve been able to accept it a lot easier. But as is, I just can’t accept it as canon.
I will say it as it is. The director who made the third alien movie, simply did a bad job at connecting it to the last one. Aside from killing Nute and Hicks, and making Ripley become the host for an alien queen, he poorly positioned the egg in a place where it made no sense to be at.
When we see the egg in the third movie, the egg is on the edge top position of a ceiling, which is very unusual for an egg to be left on.
Also the egg is not on the extraction ship that Bishop and Ripley used to escape with Nute and Hicks. It's actually somewhere on the Sulaco. And it's not even anywhere on the landing bay where Ripley fought the alien queen.
The egg seemed to be somewhere else on the ship entirely. The Alien queen was only left to her own devices for half a minute while Ripley went to get into the power loader costume to have a fighting chance against the alien queen. In the meantime the queen was looking around for Nute. Everything happened on the landing bay of the ship and the queen didn't have enough time to go around and put eggs at random places.
In the end, any logical explanation can be true, because the director didn't bother to properly explain how the egg got there.
It was David, he came accross the Sulaco whilst plagurizing the engineers and decided to pop in and play easter bunny!
Allways nice to hear from u Derek!
Hope you are well, and let's hope that Romulus will come asap
Peace
Knowing what Weyland-Yutani are like there was problerly a second science and research team hidden on Sulaco that had there own mission on lv-426. Investigate the derelict ship and retrieve a specimen. They succeed and bought eggs back to Sulaco. Something went wrong as it always does and they all died.
My theory is that we don't know, nor every can know everything about the Xenomorph. That it has potentially far more capabilities than we realize. They are NOT insects, even if the first hive we saw appeared similar. We should not assume any limitations based on what has been observed. For all we know the Queen in A2 was just one potential variant of egg creating Alien. That there could be countless more possible egg laying variants. That the DNA reflex and host imitation is only one of many types of variation, and there could be countless varieties entirely independent of host type.
Looking at the Alien from this perspective makes it seem far more plausible that the Queen simply had the ability to lay an emergency egg, and she either stashed it in the drop ship, OR under the flood boards while chasing Newt. The purpose of her egg sack may have been to produce mass quantities rapidly, but that without it the queen lays a queen bearing egg with two embryos, or even two eggs.
The eggs have tentacles, we've observed this in the past, and they may have the ability to move themselves around. They may even have the ability to dissolve and digest non organic material and grow, and could be much smaller when initially laid.
Just because when we first saw the queen she was utilizing an egg-sack doesn't necessarily mean she was entirely unable to reproduce without it. The main point is, that we cannot assume biological limitations based on what has already been seen.
I like that one where all events after Aliens are just a bad dream. Its perfect and now my headcanon.
Also being a Highlander fan, I prefer the explanation, "that movie never really happened".
Planet Zeiss? Really?
As far as where the egg came from, sure, a done is possible, but unlikely.
This is because of the lack of any cause for the done to do so.
At that point in the movie, the egg supply was still quite secure.
The theory that the queen had "one in the chamber" is pretty thin too.
The egg production organ was pretty explicitly not only an added on organ, but there was no chamber for an egg to be inside of. The link up spot was narrower than an egg.
The queen was running full-out and had nothing on her claws.
Honestly, I think this was an example of bad writing with no thought to canon.
The Alien 3 production team knew Sigourney Weaver was good for 1 more and Michael Biehn was apparently done.
I get the feeling it was a convenience/ cost savings move.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the sound of a scuttling facehugger that can be heard at the end of Aliens credits.
An egg attached to the drop ship without being noticed. Call this next part head canon, Ripley would have gone over the dropship, inside and out, ensuring all alien material was eliminated. Secondary consideration: make sure no embryos was implanted in all human bodies.
There are 4 possible ways the egg got to the Sulaco.
1) Bishop found an egg and smuggled it aboard, which explains why it didn't hatch right away.
2) The queen brought one with her when she smuggled herself on board, which explains why it didn't hatch right away.
3) Bad writing.
4) The most intriguing possibilities.
a) Cpl. Ferro and private Spunkmeyer found and egg, and at the direction of Burke returned it to the Sulaco, then returned to the planet surface, where an alien then killed them.
But doesn't explain why the egg didn't hatch while they were handling it.
b) An alien with an egg snuck onto the dropship, Cpl. Ferro and Spunkmeyer returned to the Sulaco for something not mentioned in the movie, the alien then placed the egg on the Sulaco and snuck back on the dropship. After landing it killed them as we saw in the movie. Which explains why the egg didn't hatch right away.
The actions of Cpl. Ferro and Spunkmeyer on LV 426 are for the most part undocumented, while the other marines were busy in the base. These two however were on their own.
Everyone assumes they just hung out in or around the dropship for their time on the planet, but did they?
When Bishop is dissecting the dead facehugger, Wierzbowski comes into medlab with a trolley of equipment and asks Bishop if he needs anything else.
Where did the equipment come from? Was it from the Sulaco? Was it in operations and if it was, why was it? Wouldn't their doctor have already been using that equipment to examine the facehuggers.
I assumed the Queen left one aboard the ship...but I don't care much for Alien 3...much love for Alien and Aliens!
Please do a video on what happened to the weapons Dallas mentioned ("Better break out the weapons") prior to their investigation of the derelict alien ship 🙏🙏🙏
I think eggmorphing would be a suitable answer if not for the lack of available victims at that point but smuggling a victim onboard would be equally as possible as smuggling a egg itself
Yo! SD Perry!? They wrote the Resident Evil novels that, imo, were really dope!
To me the canon events are Alien and Aliens. Alien^3 and Alien Resurrection are just Ripley's fever dreams in stasis sleep. Maybe even the call of the Queen Mother if that were ever to be brought to the movies, would explain Resurrection pretty well.
And that's what I see on Facebook groups talking about possibilities...
Too much attention is given to the egg. The more relevant question is how did the QUEEN get on board---she's almost as big as the drop ship.
Additionally, there were TWO eggs. Remember the Sulaco computer saying 'Fire in Cryogenics'? That was referring to a facehugger cutting itself trying to get through the glass of one of the cryotubes (presumably Ripley's---this egg impregnated her). The acid blood fucked something in the flooring and started a fire.
The mechanical equipment on the Sulaco moved the cryotubes into an EEV, the one that landed on the prison planet. The EEV also had an egg on board (the egg that got Spike).
So there were TWO eggs, neither of which could have been placed their by Bishop (who never made it that far into the Sulaco, at least not in one piece).
Still debate this one 😅. Cause honestly Ripley not checking every inch of the dropship before going into hypersleep, after the Queen popped out seemed way out of character.
"They were wrong! So wrong!" Where have I heard that before? I wonder.
Queen can lay eggs... Queen was on Zulaco.
That's all that's needed.
That was a mystery to me since I watched alien 3, thank you!
As others have said, we had the egg opening sound after the end credits of Aliens - so that was always a tease for a sequel.
The egg on the Sulaco was at least plausible, if smuggled on by a drone, or Bishop. It was the stupid location and angle of the egg on screen that killed further plausibility.
It treated viewers with contempt for intelligence, which was another reason Alien 3 was poorly received.
I feel like the angle of the egg was a poor explanation for how the facehugger got out of the egg without anyone being around. The egg usually needs to be "set off" by a nearby host to open. Like since the egg was facing down it just opened and the facehugger just spilled out of it. I always figured the queen who would survive the vacuum of space opened it telepathically as she did earlier in the hive when she tried to get Ripley.
I like option 3: hypersleep nightmare!
I really don't see options 1 & 2 as being logical. There wasn't time to lay eggs, placing them on the exterior of a space vehicle seems - unhealthy, and I really don't see the Queen throwing an egg back as she's tumbling back into space as reasonable. I don't want Bishop to be responsible and can't believe that someone as cautious as Ripley wouldn't search in and around the dropship to make sure there was no danger.
It doesn't make sense for a drone to have planted the egg on the dropship since Bishop took off shortly after dropping off Ripley because the platform was unstable. The dropship was in the air during the time Ripley went into the hive.
A bigger mystery would be why the Sulaco has such a bad fire suppression system. A fire starts in one section of the ship and it immediately ejects all the cryo patients? Also, why was the Sulaco so close to the prison planet. Space is pretty big and the odds that the fire started just as the were in gravity range of a planet is ridiculous.