Is Assault Upon Helms Deep still good?
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For a long time, the Isengard Legendary Legion, Assault Upon Helms Deep, from Games Workshop's Warhammer Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game, was mega meta. Then it got the nerf bat. Is it still pretty meta?
To find out, we need someone incompetent to take it for a test drive.
Uruk Hai Berserkers, Balistas, captains and the B-Team head to Scouring of Cheshire 2024. - Hry
Sooo late to the party on some of your content but it's so freaking good!! Very excited for the next one. :)
It’s crazzzyyyyy to me you’ve only got 3.2K followers! Your content is so good and so well edited! Absolutely loving it all!!
Thanks so much! Fingers crossed that'll change with time :)
For the moment, just love that people are enjoying it.
I just thought to myself yesterday: I wonder when the next Battle Camper video will be out? Awesome job as always, mate 😄
Its no coincidence. I've been reading your thoughts
"And Gamling inspired everyone by standing a few meters back and holding a big picture of a horse."
This line killed me, had me in stitches
Awesome video and congrats on your results! Looks like alot of fun games where had. :) Also that Ent flooding board is amazing!! Wow! :D
Thank you about Ent board - Ruth
LOL, "announcing the release of a diorama" love it! Seriously though, another great video, looking forward to the next one.
Hahaha I love "B Roll" almost as much as "Blogging!"
I'm sure Graeme won't be letting it go anytime soon
Great video, enjoyable watch as always. That isengard/ent diorama looked epic !
It was incredible! Absolutely next level
Thanks - Ruth
Great video, Scouring was a blast. Can't wait till next year!
So good!! See you there then :)
The Italian hand had me howling in the grocery store 😂👌🏼🤏🏽🖖🤘🏻
i felt that "yep" from the last guy on a spritual level.
😅 I felt genuinely bad.
Nearly quartered in one round... what the heck! And You still lost :o I am speechless
Wonderful stuff :)
😅 not my finest moment...
Awesome video. Great to have battle camper back. Dirty list though 😂
Thanks man!! Yea. I did feel dirty.
This was an entertaining report I must say and it's good to hear a list like this is still viable. Started 'really' playing just over a year back and have started playing Isengard in our most recent battle companies campaign. Got a bunch of them painted up now (along with some cool conversions) and I happen to have two assault ballistae hidden in the old pile of shame. So now I might have to just paint them up and start a simular LL.
Well done on the wins. Enjoyable video as always
Thanks Chris! I'm so happy to be uploading again...
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!!
Great content! (As always)
Thanks very much Peter. Loved this one. Fastest I've every got a tournament report out haha. Will be editing another vid this weekend
Totally wicked to see another upload after a big wait! My fav mesbg creator for sure!
You scheduled a video a few months ago about you playing on tabletop sim, is there any chance of this getting uploaded? My friends and I often use tts when we can't meet up and it would really cool to see more examples of people using it!
Great video as always, I've had a lot of moans and groans whenever I play this legion so ive retired it for now
You're back!
At long last! I've missed uploading :)
It seems I need a purple battle camper dice nice to see you back
How did ballista set off bomb didnt know that was a thing
Ps shout out to the guy wearing a new day t shirt !
They're spicy!!!
Loved the video, and our game! Can't wait for another one in the future! Next time, vengeance shall be mine!!! (Gethin)
Great video, and always love the content!! However, have to tell you that you did Chris SUPER dirty in the Gulavhar fight; only the final ballista target, after resolving all ITWs, including the combat, takes the autokill. Warg rider was closest to the shot, so he'd be flung back, Gully and captain knocked prone and take a single S9 hit. Just so you know for next time :)
Hey, yea we clocked it a few days back and I feel awful!! Time to whip out my humble apologies and best puppy-dog face. Thanks for watching!
Amazing video again!
What did your opponent convert the Witch King from?
Awesome reports! What is your video set up? It’s awesome how you capture all those different angles
Great vid.
Thanks very much :)
Thanks!
Thanks so much! That's really kind and very much appreciated
Happy to see some more content! I have a question, how are you auto killing Gulavar with the ballista when it only does one wound?
I run the Helms deep LL often, and you're right it does get samey, have a go with the shaman. Auto pass courage checks for the bomb, the 6+ fury save stacks with the 6+ bow save for the beserkers.
I know youve got your beserkers backed up with 2 pikes, are you 2 handing with the beserkers for +1 wound and then using the FV of the pikes? Just a question as ive seen some players miss that.
Hey man thanks very much. Great hint, I'll definately give it a go with the Shaman. I'm thinking of giving it a rest entirely for a bit and going back to my Rohan. I miss those guys.
As for the Ballista, unless I've missed something (I hope not) Gulavar is a battlefield target and so dies instantly to the ballista. he has no fate so is extremely vulnerable to it!
I have a question about the bomb. You rolled 1 d6 dice to see if the bomb would detonate after successfully passing courage. I thought it was 2 dice you rolled for this? And secondly once you know of its 1 or 2 dice for wounding i thought you just rolled once and everyone within range suffered that many wounds? Instead of rolling 2 d6 per model. Maybe ive been doing it wrong though. If so it's always good to learn. Thanks for any insight
Hey Jamie. You're certainly right about the first one! The second you may well be I don't have the rules in front of me. My first time using it so I'd trust your instinct!
Vid is very well made love the edits and voice over, but I can really feel for your opponents If somebody gets lucky and starts to celebrate it to my face I might get a bit annoyed tbf
Which bit are you taking about can I ask?
@@BattleCamperHome 35:20 I guess you admitted it yourself in the vid :D as I said dont want to be the negative hate comments since the Vid is very well made just the only thing I guess would annoy me personally. I guess it just comes from my experience of playing against a guy who kinda did simular thing.
@@blixx723 haha. Oh yea that bit. I can't defend myself, it was a bit much
17:05 Muffled Battle Camper sounds weirdly like Mr Entmoot
very nice report and event! :) just one quick question if I may: at 21:14 you shoot your ballista into 2 orks. Arent there two rows of your own urukhai in the way?(those directly in front of your ballistas) also, can sauron not just put 3 lines of orks between himself and the ballistas and be more or less good?
It has a minimum range of 6" so they were safe :)
Thanks very much for watching too! Glad you liked it
@@BattleCamperHome holy shit I have never realised this
Doesn't the ballista (from the point of the arrow) just have full vision of those orcs? I'm not sure I buy that minimum range means they can't be hit by an in the way. If it was that way you could do some absolutely weird stuff like putting your frontline 5 inch away from the ballista and then you could shoot the spear supports of your opponent away
@@muesliman100 but the reverse is that I could get around the restriction on targeting enemies within 6 by just targeting something further away and aiming for an in the way.
It certainly isn't clear from the FAQ, and I do take your point. But that's how I've played it in three tournaments and never had a player or TO disagree.
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I play the same legion but I am surprised by how you detonated the bomb with the ballista against the Rohan cav. Can you explain the sequence? The bomb is s7 and has 3 wounds. According the rules when it is wounded, you can roll a d6 for each wound and it will only detonate on a 6. I saw you made the courage test and not the wound rolls for detonation. Really like the reports you make!
Hey thanks!! There's a problem with the edit there sadly, and a slip of the tongue. The bomb detonated normally. The baliastas had nothing to do with it. I'm not sure why I said that haha
@@BattleCamperHome That makes sense, thanks for clearing that up! Keep up the great work man.
Well the only change was the ballista rerolls. So besides that, its still a solid LL. Your bomb in the 2nd game.. Where is the 2nd engineer to try denotating the bomb? You get 2 engineers and a beserker.
Killed sadly! It was all down to the last boi, and he let me down.
Great video as always! Couldn't your opponent scatter the shot at the building next to the warg? It's imply a siege target isn't it? (at 43:00 )
Thanks very much :) Because it was a 2-5 I think he had to scatter onto a model from his army. Otherwise, a very interesting question...
which size are the boards at the events?
Yay, a new BC video! That was quite the down grade in table/terrain from game 1 to 2!
haha yea. The boards vary so wildly at Scouring! Thanks very much for watching :)
So does the ballistae auto kill when it causes a wound?
It does! Unless the target has 10 wounds or is a "siege target" (which are listed in the rulebook). Hope that helps
@@BattleCamperHome can the wound be saved by fate at all or not??
@@craig3111 yes it can! Sadly for Gulavhar, he didn't have any fate. It's why it is such a weakness for him
This game is so difficult hahaha, when moments like that bomb detonation happened against theoden and gamling you cant be too excited. But on the other hand, you cant stay calm as it is so fulfilling to kill them both and do 2d6 wounds when detonated😂😂
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Right back at you :)
i think the ballistas are still OP. i would HATE to fight against them.. ofc different army's have different tactics but sit and shoot is quite boring and "dick" move. But if thats the armys strength what u can do... the assault on helms deep without ballistas i imagen is quite hard to play in competitive games i mean if you would t have them against Angmar. the games would been veeeery veery difficult 4 you . But good video anyway
Agree with all of this to be honest. They don't look fun to fight. They have weaknesses, and I think I was very lucky with my match ups, but them losing 1/3 of their models before the lines meet must be very frustrating.
I don’t think everybody in the combat gets insta killed? You roll to see who gets hit within the combat (like regular bow fire) and then that model is insta killed I think
Thanks for commenting. If you have a look at the rules it says that everyone takes the hit. Only one gets flung which you roll for.
@@BattleCamperHome sorry that’s right, I mean the insta kill. The rest in the combat get the S9 hit without killing them outright. IE, if 4 models are in a combat, 1 gets the S9 hit and auto kill (if not saved by fate) then the other 3 get a normal S9 hit
@@David_Jackson39 Thanks. Can you let me know where you're seeing that? The rules say everyone is hit and anyone hit is killed if not saved by fate. It's been the way I've played it at a number of events without issue, so would be interested to know if theres an FAQ or something that says otherwise
@@David_Jackson39 hey David, just to let you know you were right!!! Thanks for commenting. I will apologise to Chris next time I come across him 😅
@@BattleCamperHome no worries 😊
not sure how familiar your opponent was with using sauron. the dude is just about the worst model in the game to shoot with a ballista. (4 to hit, 5 to wound, could scatter away, doesnt get flung. and at absolute almost impossible worst you need to do this three times to kill him) dark lord could have popped out, grabbed the prize, and him plus wraith magic the bomb crew as he stomped towards your board side barging all the way. not a lot your list could do at that point.
That's me! And can confirm, thoroughly unfamiliar with using Sauron 😂 I guess my biggest fear was the auto-broken army once he loses half his wounds, which one ballista shot would do. Then again, with scatters etc, I suppose I should have risked it, but it was quite entertaining watching the mighty lord Sauron hiding behind a rock 😂 it was a great game though, and had a lot of fun with Sauron over the weekend!
@@freeky891 thanks for replying. the army bonus isn't worded great, but you dont actually auto-break until sauron dies. at 1-2 wounds left the army "breaks as normal" so it follows the standard rules and breaks at 50% models dead. at 3+ wounds you cant break. so as long as you keep your numbers above 50% sauron can get beaten up as much as you want and the army doesn't break so long as he's even a little bit alive😆 if you want to be exceptionally villainous (not recommended apart from grudge matches and max-sweat tournaments) ignore saurons huge warband. if you have a three model army they cant quarter you without killing sauron as well. lets you grind any game right to the time limits. and you can build surprisingly efficient lists for brad dur even at tiny numbers. this was 800 pts, so you could run sauron witchking and second wraith on two fellbeasts with max stats, crown and blade for 795. triple monster triple caster two flyers all with might and fate and really high courage. cant break unless sauron or both wraiths die, cant 25% without all of them killed.