Many years ago, there was a site with a detailed breakdown of every Trek ship's strengths and weaknesses. Weapons, shields, maneuverability, and other attributes. In the end, every ship was assigned an overall tactical rating with the Galaxy used as a comparison point with a rating of 1000. So everything else was either higher or lower than this which would give you a good indication of its strength since most people know the Galaxy to be a pretty strong ship. If I remember correctly, the Defiant-class had a rating of a little over 1600, which would mean it's over 1.5 times stronger than a Galaxy despite being so small.
@@RetroBadgerGaming Wish I remembered the site because this is around 15 to 18 years ago. Other interesting info from what I remember is that the Prometheus-class (the ship with Multi Vector Assault Mode) had a rating of around 2250. The Enterprise-E, as seen in First Contact, had a rating of approx 3000, making it 3x stronger than the Galaxy. But between the events of First Contact and Nemesis, it received upgrades to its shields and weapons, bringing it to around 4x stronger than the Galaxy-class. It was just very interesting seeing the detailed breakdowns and how they came to those conclusions.
It's telling that the galaxy class was not to be trifled with, and it wasn't even a dedicated warship; when you take out all the extra "Marriott hotel" additions such as the arboretum, the holodecks, the extra passenger/ambassador quarters, and science labs and refit the ships for war with phaser banks, torpedo storage, extra shield emitters and power generators, they could both sustain and deal serious damage to enemies. even later in it's life the Galaxy class was still able to at least hold it's own or survive against much newer ships because of it's very solid and dependable construction, albeit the annoying and unreliable control errors that constantly cut the bridge off from the rest of the ship after the smallest hit.
@@retluoc Valid point. But you know the E-E doesn't seem to have as much trouble with Core Breeches and neither does Voyager either for that matter. LOL
if this had been the soverign-class version of the enterprise, from first contact, it would have torn through the defiant like a strip of latinum. the Galaxy was a somewhat older model and the fact that it could still even pose a challenge to something like the defiant, a much tougher ship, is a testament to it's construction and longevity
This game and Armada 2 taught me so much about scripts and modding. I changed the format of the story mode where the Galaxy class was replaced by a defiant class and THE Sovereign (not class) was replaced by the Achilles class (USS Lennox mod). The Achilles’ pulse phasers, pulse quantum launchers and micro quantum phalanx could mop the floor with the waves of Galors and Keldons.
That's so cool! I didn't know you could do that. I remember buying this game the day it came out. By far the best star trek combat game, in my opinion.
I loved modding Armada II. Just adjusting the values to allow each ship to survive for more than 3.5 seconds was worth its weight in gold. But why stop there? Now you can open up those unused files from Armada 1, and toss them into the game. Might as well add some more ships to your fleet while you're at it. Custom sound bytes for each vessel? Sure, why not? Armada II was fun, but everything I implemented in it I learned from the granddaddy of great Star Trek games, Klingon Academy. Bridge Commander is a close knit relative. I would have loved to have seen what the Interplay team would've come up with next had it not been for that whole bankruptcy thing.
The defiant had a hard time against the USS Lakota, an excelsior class refit. A dominion war variant galaxy (which would be correct for this game) would mop the floor with a defiant class. The defiant is a gunship, a dominion war galaxy is a true battleship.
agreed. the defiant packed quite a punch and could take some hits but at the end of the day, it was just too small, and there was only so much that could be crammed into it. Starfleet just really needed a large, intimidating battleship that had plenty of weapons and shielding to be the backbone of it's defensive lines. I like to think the Galaxy class and later on the Intrepid, Sovereign, and Akira-class ships got the job done.
Why is the Galaxy so weak in these games? I mean, I love the Defiant, but it makes the Galaxy look like a plush Coast Guard vessel that has no place in a fight!
I do think the galaxy class shields are underpowered in this game. When you compare the size of it to the defiant. The amount of power it generates, it doesn’t make much sense.
Plush Coast Guard? I always thought the galaxy class more along the lines of the French Tumblehome dreadnoughts. I can’t remember who did the video, but it’s here on CZcams and it describes them; “When hotels go to war“.😸
I thought so...the Enterprise-D is a cruise ship with too many guns (a glass cannon). The Defiant has just as much power and ablative hull armor. Adrift, but salvageable...tough little ship. Worf: Little!?!? I'd like to see Sovereign class vs Defiant.
that would be over in seconds. the Sovereign class is huge and has multiple phaser banks and emitters, can outrun the defiant for hours by a few extra decimals of warp. the Defiant is slippery and can hide with it's cloak (if it has one) but just can't really go toe-to-toe with a sovereign in a long, sustained battle. it's only chance is perhaps a surprise attack with some VERY well landed attacks to disable most of the sovereign's systems.
@@gokuvegeta7770 It sure did 😄 And Picard told the fleet right where to hit it, just like when Khan hit the Enterprise. But that makes me wonder...if the Enterprise E were in the battle at the beginning, would the Borg have targeted and destroyed them first? 🤔
Dumb question. Can the Defiant aim it’s pulse phasers independently of the ship or does it have to be facing its target to hit them. I mean like cannon Defiant from the show. Also, does it have traditional phaser beams? These questions have been haunting me. Get at me nerds. Seriously, someone tell me.
Am I just seeing this video mow lol. A year late🖖 I have always felt if the defiant could sneak up like this and decloak and unload. She could definitely take out a galaxy class.
no contest defiant class would wreck a galaxy class ship as it did with the mirror neghvar. essentially you put a galaxy class firepower in a ship that small.
ummmmmm maybe depending on the commmander or crew but as bad ass as the defiant is - it at the end of the day is NO MATCH for a Galaxy Class ship - at least one from the Dominion Era. I admit it would be an interesting battle for sure but DS9 showed that even a modified Excelcior class could go toe to toe with the Defiant. . . a Galaxy Calss? Idk about that :)
@@bsgtrekfan88 galaxy class and refitted dominion-era galaxy class are almost 2 different ships, though. the original galaxy class really is just a cruise liner with enough guns to make you think twice about pirating it; the refit galaxy without all the extra quarters and guest accommodations is pretty dangerous and tears through anything from it's era, and even a few things from AFTER it's era. Dominion ships were cutting-edge new and had technologies the federation didn't know how to fight; the fact that galaxies often still managed to damage them or survive them is a testament to it's exceptionally well done and long-lasting design specifications.
unfortunately, as much as I love the Galaxy, she's a little long in the tooth. she's having to punch out of her weight class with all these new sleek ships that have fancy toys to play with like quantum torpedoes and ablative armor. her age is starting to catch up with her and she can't keep up. but back in her day and quite a bit after....finest ship in the alpha quadrant 100% :D
Many years ago, there was a site with a detailed breakdown of every Trek ship's strengths and weaknesses. Weapons, shields, maneuverability, and other attributes. In the end, every ship was assigned an overall tactical rating with the Galaxy used as a comparison point with a rating of 1000. So everything else was either higher or lower than this which would give you a good indication of its strength since most people know the Galaxy to be a pretty strong ship. If I remember correctly, the Defiant-class had a rating little over 1600, which would mean it's over 1.5 times stronger than a Galaxy despite being so small.
Post-Dominion retrofits of the Galaxy, I could maybe sympathize. But the Defiant is a capable warship whereas the Pre-Dominion Galaxy was certainly not.
@@xeno_threat That's a subjective source that sounds like it was made by a fan. So not only is it subjective, its likely very bias. For my argument, you only need to look at the ship's themselves and canon Star Trek Productions. The Galaxy class has 11 type X phasers covering all firing arcs, and 2 photon launchers, fore and aft, each able to fire up to 10 torpedoes either one at a time, or simultaneously. The Defiant does not. It has 3 small phaser strips, an aft torpedo launcher, 4 foreword facing pulse phaser canons, 2 foreword photons, and 2 foreword quantums. No mater where the Defiant is, its vulnerable to heavy phaser fire from the Galaxy. The Defiant can't do this. Its primary, and most lethal firing arc is its bow. Which means it can only fire when its facing its target. This is a disadvantage for the Defiant as it can only rely on its bow to deliver a worthwhile attack. If it's bow shield is too weak, a foreword attack would be suicide. A Galaxy can deliver the same amount of devastating phaser fire from any arc; fore, aft, port, starboard, dorsal, ventral. So if any shield is too weak, it needs only to maneuver to keep that shield protected, while still delivering the same amount of phaser fire. We also need to look at the shows themselves to see how each ship performed. The only times we see a Galaxy lose a battle is by unconventional means in Deep Space 9, where the USS Odyssey is destroyed after a Dominion ship collided into its deflector dish. We see 2 Defiant's destroyed in DS9, the Original NX-74205, and the USS Valiant after it engages a Dominion Battleship. The USS Valiant's fate alone is evidence enough that a Defiant class cannot stand alone against a larger opponent. Further, we need only look at the Borg. The Galaxy class Enterprise D faced 3 separate Borg Ships in 3 Episodes, in multiple engagements. The Enterprise survived every single one. Additionally the Enterprise D was alone each time it faced a Borg Ship; 2 Cube's, and the Renegade ship (unofficially known as an Assimilator). The only time we see a Defiant face a Borg ship, its almost annihilated. Keep in mind, the Defiant had support at the battle of Sector 001 in ST: First Contact, and still managed to be beaten. All this is why I have a hard time believing a Defiant can defeat a Galaxy in 1v1. The practicality of the ships, and what we see in the shows doesn't support this idea.
@@pepperVenge sorry for my bad english ...you have right.... Galaxy class is strong ship with Huge fire power...it could be able destroy defiant.yes IT is a luxury hotel...but damn good armed luxury hotel.
Many years ago, there was a site with a detailed breakdown of every Trek ship's strengths and weaknesses. Weapons, shields, maneuverability, and other attributes. In the end, every ship was assigned an overall tactical rating with the Galaxy used as a comparison point with a rating of 1000.
So everything else was either higher or lower than this which would give you a good indication of its strength since most people know the Galaxy to be a pretty strong ship. If I remember correctly, the Defiant-class had a rating of a little over 1600, which would mean it's over 1.5 times stronger than a Galaxy despite being so small.
Wow! That's fascinating. Wish the site was still around. The Defiant is very powerful.
@@RetroBadgerGaming Wish I remembered the site because this is around 15 to 18 years ago. Other interesting info from what I remember is that the Prometheus-class (the ship with Multi Vector Assault Mode) had a rating of around 2250.
The Enterprise-E, as seen in First Contact, had a rating of approx 3000, making it 3x stronger than the Galaxy. But between the events of First Contact and Nemesis, it received upgrades to its shields and weapons, bringing it to around 4x stronger than the Galaxy-class. It was just very interesting seeing the detailed breakdowns and how they came to those conclusions.
@@xeno_threatAre you referring to the daystrom institute technical library? If so, it's still around!
It's telling that the galaxy class was not to be trifled with, and it wasn't even a dedicated warship; when you take out all the extra "Marriott hotel" additions such as the arboretum, the holodecks, the extra passenger/ambassador quarters, and science labs and refit the ships for war with phaser banks, torpedo storage, extra shield emitters and power generators, they could both sustain and deal serious damage to enemies.
even later in it's life the Galaxy class was still able to at least hold it's own or survive against much newer ships because of it's very solid and dependable construction, albeit the annoying and unreliable control errors that constantly cut the bridge off from the rest of the ship after the smallest hit.
That makes sense because the Defiant was made specifically for war.
Let's face it, the Galaxy class would've suffered a warp core breach the very second a Defiant Class showed up on its view screen.
Haha, out of pure fear.
Oh that's good 🤣
When doesn't a Galaxy class ship have a warp core breech? Now I know why Pickard wants the Stargazer back 😄
@@retluoc Valid point. But you know the E-E doesn't seem to have as much trouble with Core Breeches and neither does Voyager either for that matter. LOL
if this had been the soverign-class version of the enterprise, from first contact, it would have torn through the defiant like a strip of latinum.
the Galaxy was a somewhat older model and the fact that it could still even pose a challenge to something like the defiant, a much tougher ship, is a testament to it's construction and longevity
This conversation stressed the Galaxy class out. It just lost antimatter containment. 😳
This game and Armada 2 taught me so much about scripts and modding. I changed the format of the story mode where the Galaxy class was replaced by a defiant class and THE Sovereign (not class) was replaced by the Achilles class (USS Lennox mod). The Achilles’ pulse phasers, pulse quantum launchers and micro quantum phalanx could mop the floor with the waves of Galors and Keldons.
That's so cool! I didn't know you could do that. I remember buying this game the day it came out. By far the best star trek combat game, in my opinion.
@@RetroBadgerGaming yup!! Just needed to swap out the vessel scripts and rewrite some of the codes inside the scripts and wallah!!
Also, the massive Kobyashi Maru modded overhaul helped too!!
I loved modding Armada II. Just adjusting the values to allow each ship to survive for more than 3.5 seconds was worth its weight in gold. But why stop there? Now you can open up those unused files from Armada 1, and toss them into the game. Might as well add some more ships to your fleet while you're at it. Custom sound bytes for each vessel? Sure, why not?
Armada II was fun, but everything I implemented in it I learned from the granddaddy of great Star Trek games, Klingon Academy. Bridge Commander is a close knit relative. I would have loved to have seen what the Interplay team would've come up with next had it not been for that whole bankruptcy thing.
The defiant had a hard time against the USS Lakota, an excelsior class refit. A dominion war variant galaxy (which would be correct for this game) would mop the floor with a defiant class. The defiant is a gunship, a dominion war galaxy is a true battleship.
agreed. the defiant packed quite a punch and could take some hits but at the end of the day, it was just too small, and there was only so much that could be crammed into it.
Starfleet just really needed a large, intimidating battleship that had plenty of weapons and shielding to be the backbone of it's defensive lines. I like to think the Galaxy class and later on the Intrepid, Sovereign, and Akira-class ships got the job done.
@@hobomike6935 Intrepid wasn’t much of a defense
Plasma stream ignition alway adds a classy touch. Well done!
The Galaxy gets no respect haha, In the dominion war the Galaxy class was a beast they fixed the issues that the class had. Great video
Why is the Galaxy so weak in these games? I mean, I love the Defiant, but it makes the Galaxy look like a plush Coast Guard vessel that has no place in a fight!
I do think the galaxy class shields are underpowered in this game. When you compare the size of it to the defiant. The amount of power it generates, it doesn’t make much sense.
Edit the ship to increase shield strength
Plush Coast Guard? I always thought the galaxy class more along the lines of the French Tumblehome dreadnoughts. I can’t remember who did the video, but it’s here on CZcams and it describes them; “When hotels go to war“.😸
the game removes the plot armour the tv show had
These mods had zero balance
Seriously..
I thought so...the Enterprise-D is a cruise ship with too many guns (a glass cannon). The Defiant has just as much power and ablative hull armor.
Adrift, but salvageable...tough little ship.
Worf: Little!?!?
I'd like to see Sovereign class vs Defiant.
that would be over in seconds. the Sovereign class is huge and has multiple phaser banks and emitters, can outrun the defiant for hours by a few extra decimals of warp.
the Defiant is slippery and can hide with it's cloak (if it has one) but just can't really go toe-to-toe with a sovereign in a long, sustained battle. it's only chance is perhaps a surprise attack with some VERY well landed attacks to disable most of the sovereign's systems.
@@hobomike6935 with piccard at the helm defiant would be gone
@@gokuvegeta7770
With Picard at the helm, the Defiant wins more easily.
@Idazmi7 don't be mad borg tore it to pieces enterprise saved they asses haha
@@gokuvegeta7770 It sure did 😄 And Picard told the fleet right where to hit it, just like when Khan hit the Enterprise. But that makes me wonder...if the Enterprise E were in the battle at the beginning, would the Borg have targeted and destroyed them first? 🤔
Try that against a Dominion war refit Galaxy class . Bet it’ll be a more even match up
It has to be said... "Tough little ship".
OH, so this is how a defiant totally wrecks a Galaxy starship!
What game is that?
Perfect.
Without a doubt.
1:38. What did he destroy?
And crash to desktop
Yeah...
the real-life equivalent of your systems going offline
Dumb question. Can the Defiant aim it’s pulse phasers independently of the ship or does it have to be facing its target to hit them. I mean like cannon Defiant from the show. Also, does it have traditional phaser beams? These questions have been haunting me. Get at me nerds. Seriously, someone tell me.
Am I just seeing this video mow lol. A year late🖖
I have always felt if the defiant could sneak up like this and decloak and unload. She could definitely take out a galaxy class.
Damn, I honestly expected better of the D.
Is this an official Bridge Commander game or is it modded?
Modded. With Kobayashimaru in this battle.
...she's a good little ship...
no contest defiant class would wreck a galaxy class ship as it did with the mirror neghvar. essentially you put a galaxy class firepower in a ship that small.
ummmmmm maybe depending on the commmander or crew but as bad ass as the defiant is - it at the end of the day is NO MATCH for a Galaxy Class ship - at least one from the Dominion Era. I admit it would be an interesting battle for sure but DS9 showed that even a modified Excelcior class could go toe to toe with the Defiant. . . a Galaxy Calss? Idk about that :)
@@bsgtrekfan88 the problem with defiant is as long as she avoids incoming fire she has the edge.
Exactly field 20 defiant s for the crew cost of 1 galaxy
@@bsgtrekfan88 galaxy class and refitted dominion-era galaxy class are almost 2 different ships, though.
the original galaxy class really is just a cruise liner with enough guns to make you think twice about pirating it; the refit galaxy without all the extra quarters and guest accommodations is pretty dangerous and tears through anything from it's era, and even a few things from AFTER it's era.
Dominion ships were cutting-edge new and had technologies the federation didn't know how to fight; the fact that galaxies often still managed to damage them or survive them is a testament to it's exceptionally well done and long-lasting design specifications.
Shoulda' de-cloaked on the flank of the Enterprise to avoid a torpedo barrage.
I feel like the defiant would wipe the floor with the galaxy class
You didn't even set phasers to full power!!!
Who would have thought … a defiant class beating a galaxy class!! “Tough little ship” indeed I think!
"Little!?" >:(
That was surprising....and a bit disappointing.
unfortunately, as much as I love the Galaxy, she's a little long in the tooth.
she's having to punch out of her weight class with all these new sleek ships that have fancy toys to play with like quantum torpedoes and ablative armor. her age is starting to catch up with her and she can't keep up.
but back in her day and quite a bit after....finest ship in the alpha quadrant 100% :D
There is no way I could ever believe a Defiant could beat a Galaxy.
Many years ago, there was a site with a detailed breakdown of every Trek ship's strengths and weaknesses. Weapons, shields, maneuverability, and other attributes. In the end, every ship was assigned an overall tactical rating with the Galaxy used as a comparison point with a rating of 1000.
So everything else was either higher or lower than this which would give you a good indication of its strength since most people know the Galaxy to be a pretty strong ship. If I remember correctly, the Defiant-class had a rating little over 1600, which would mean it's over 1.5 times stronger than a Galaxy despite being so small.
Post-Dominion retrofits of the Galaxy, I could maybe sympathize. But the Defiant is a capable warship whereas the Pre-Dominion Galaxy was certainly not.
@@xeno_threat That's a subjective source that sounds like it was made by a fan. So not only is it subjective, its likely very bias.
For my argument, you only need to look at the ship's themselves and canon Star Trek Productions.
The Galaxy class has 11 type X phasers covering all firing arcs, and 2 photon launchers, fore and aft, each able to fire up to 10 torpedoes either one at a time, or simultaneously.
The Defiant does not. It has 3 small phaser strips, an aft torpedo launcher, 4 foreword facing pulse phaser canons, 2 foreword photons, and 2 foreword quantums.
No mater where the Defiant is, its vulnerable to heavy phaser fire from the Galaxy.
The Defiant can't do this. Its primary, and most lethal firing arc is its bow. Which means it can only fire when its facing its target.
This is a disadvantage for the Defiant as it can only rely on its bow to deliver a worthwhile attack. If it's bow shield is too weak, a foreword attack would be suicide.
A Galaxy can deliver the same amount of devastating phaser fire from any arc; fore, aft, port, starboard, dorsal, ventral.
So if any shield is too weak, it needs only to maneuver to keep that shield protected, while still delivering the same amount of phaser fire.
We also need to look at the shows themselves to see how each ship performed.
The only times we see a Galaxy lose a battle is by unconventional means in Deep Space 9, where the USS Odyssey is destroyed after a Dominion ship collided into its deflector dish.
We see 2 Defiant's destroyed in DS9, the Original NX-74205, and the USS Valiant after it engages a Dominion Battleship.
The USS Valiant's fate alone is evidence enough that a Defiant class cannot stand alone against a larger opponent.
Further, we need only look at the Borg.
The Galaxy class Enterprise D faced 3 separate Borg Ships in 3 Episodes, in multiple engagements. The Enterprise survived every single one.
Additionally the Enterprise D was alone each time it faced a Borg Ship; 2 Cube's, and the Renegade ship (unofficially known as an Assimilator).
The only time we see a Defiant face a Borg ship, its almost annihilated.
Keep in mind, the Defiant had support at the battle of Sector 001 in ST: First Contact, and still managed to be beaten.
All this is why I have a hard time believing a Defiant can defeat a Galaxy in 1v1. The practicality of the ships, and what we see in the shows doesn't support this idea.
@@InvincibleSol I don't agree. And I believe I can prove it. See my reply to Eric C. I'd be happy to discuss if you'd like.
@@pepperVenge sorry for my bad english ...you have right.... Galaxy class is strong ship with Huge fire power...it could be able destroy defiant.yes IT is a luxury hotel...but damn good armed luxury hotel.