Star Trek Bridge Commander Defiant Vs Enterprise D - Galaxy Class Vs Defiant, Who Will Win?

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  • @xeno_threat
    @xeno_threat Před 2 lety +20

    Many years ago, there was a site with a detailed breakdown of every Trek ship's strengths and weaknesses. Weapons, shields, maneuverability, and other attributes. In the end, every ship was assigned an overall tactical rating with the Galaxy used as a comparison point with a rating of 1000.
    So everything else was either higher or lower than this which would give you a good indication of its strength since most people know the Galaxy to be a pretty strong ship. If I remember correctly, the Defiant-class had a rating of a little over 1600, which would mean it's over 1.5 times stronger than a Galaxy despite being so small.

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  Před 2 lety +4

      Wow! That's fascinating. Wish the site was still around. The Defiant is very powerful.

    • @xeno_threat
      @xeno_threat Před 2 lety +3

      @@RetroBadgerGaming Wish I remembered the site because this is around 15 to 18 years ago. Other interesting info from what I remember is that the Prometheus-class (the ship with Multi Vector Assault Mode) had a rating of around 2250.
      The Enterprise-E, as seen in First Contact, had a rating of approx 3000, making it 3x stronger than the Galaxy. But between the events of First Contact and Nemesis, it received upgrades to its shields and weapons, bringing it to around 4x stronger than the Galaxy-class. It was just very interesting seeing the detailed breakdowns and how they came to those conclusions.

    • @dieeiervonsatan1850
      @dieeiervonsatan1850 Před 2 lety +9

      @@xeno_threatAre you referring to the daystrom institute technical library? If so, it's still around!

    • @hobomike6935
      @hobomike6935 Před 2 lety +1

      It's telling that the galaxy class was not to be trifled with, and it wasn't even a dedicated warship; when you take out all the extra "Marriott hotel" additions such as the arboretum, the holodecks, the extra passenger/ambassador quarters, and science labs and refit the ships for war with phaser banks, torpedo storage, extra shield emitters and power generators, they could both sustain and deal serious damage to enemies.
      even later in it's life the Galaxy class was still able to at least hold it's own or survive against much newer ships because of it's very solid and dependable construction, albeit the annoying and unreliable control errors that constantly cut the bridge off from the rest of the ship after the smallest hit.

    • @kuunami
      @kuunami Před rokem

      That makes sense because the Defiant was made specifically for war.

  • @JakeWerkmeister
    @JakeWerkmeister Před 2 lety +22

    Let's face it, the Galaxy class would've suffered a warp core breach the very second a Defiant Class showed up on its view screen.

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  Před 2 lety +2

      Haha, out of pure fear.

    • @retluoc
      @retluoc Před 2 lety +1

      Oh that's good 🤣
      When doesn't a Galaxy class ship have a warp core breech? Now I know why Pickard wants the Stargazer back 😄

    • @jkeelsnc
      @jkeelsnc Před 2 lety

      @@retluoc Valid point. But you know the E-E doesn't seem to have as much trouble with Core Breeches and neither does Voyager either for that matter. LOL

    • @hobomike6935
      @hobomike6935 Před 2 lety

      if this had been the soverign-class version of the enterprise, from first contact, it would have torn through the defiant like a strip of latinum.
      the Galaxy was a somewhat older model and the fact that it could still even pose a challenge to something like the defiant, a much tougher ship, is a testament to it's construction and longevity

    • @JakeWerkmeister
      @JakeWerkmeister Před 2 lety

      This conversation stressed the Galaxy class out. It just lost antimatter containment. 😳

  • @djayk9692
    @djayk9692 Před 2 lety +19

    This game and Armada 2 taught me so much about scripts and modding. I changed the format of the story mode where the Galaxy class was replaced by a defiant class and THE Sovereign (not class) was replaced by the Achilles class (USS Lennox mod). The Achilles’ pulse phasers, pulse quantum launchers and micro quantum phalanx could mop the floor with the waves of Galors and Keldons.

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  Před 2 lety +6

      That's so cool! I didn't know you could do that. I remember buying this game the day it came out. By far the best star trek combat game, in my opinion.

    • @djayk9692
      @djayk9692 Před 2 lety +1

      @@RetroBadgerGaming yup!! Just needed to swap out the vessel scripts and rewrite some of the codes inside the scripts and wallah!!

    • @djayk9692
      @djayk9692 Před 2 lety

      Also, the massive Kobyashi Maru modded overhaul helped too!!

    • @JakeWerkmeister
      @JakeWerkmeister Před 2 lety

      I loved modding Armada II. Just adjusting the values to allow each ship to survive for more than 3.5 seconds was worth its weight in gold. But why stop there? Now you can open up those unused files from Armada 1, and toss them into the game. Might as well add some more ships to your fleet while you're at it. Custom sound bytes for each vessel? Sure, why not?
      Armada II was fun, but everything I implemented in it I learned from the granddaddy of great Star Trek games, Klingon Academy. Bridge Commander is a close knit relative. I would have loved to have seen what the Interplay team would've come up with next had it not been for that whole bankruptcy thing.

  • @beaney56
    @beaney56 Před 2 lety +31

    The defiant had a hard time against the USS Lakota, an excelsior class refit. A dominion war variant galaxy (which would be correct for this game) would mop the floor with a defiant class. The defiant is a gunship, a dominion war galaxy is a true battleship.

    • @hobomike6935
      @hobomike6935 Před 2 lety +4

      agreed. the defiant packed quite a punch and could take some hits but at the end of the day, it was just too small, and there was only so much that could be crammed into it.
      Starfleet just really needed a large, intimidating battleship that had plenty of weapons and shielding to be the backbone of it's defensive lines. I like to think the Galaxy class and later on the Intrepid, Sovereign, and Akira-class ships got the job done.

    • @BC08
      @BC08 Před rokem

      @@hobomike6935 Intrepid wasn’t much of a defense

  • @lucarinaldichini324
    @lucarinaldichini324 Před 2 lety

    Plasma stream ignition alway adds a classy touch. Well done!

  • @justin3415
    @justin3415 Před rokem +1

    The Galaxy gets no respect haha, In the dominion war the Galaxy class was a beast they fixed the issues that the class had. Great video

  • @gicking3898
    @gicking3898 Před 2 lety +11

    Why is the Galaxy so weak in these games? I mean, I love the Defiant, but it makes the Galaxy look like a plush Coast Guard vessel that has no place in a fight!

    • @RetroBadgerGaming
      @RetroBadgerGaming  Před 2 lety +10

      I do think the galaxy class shields are underpowered in this game. When you compare the size of it to the defiant. The amount of power it generates, it doesn’t make much sense.

    • @ronniepemberton1942
      @ronniepemberton1942 Před 2 lety

      Edit the ship to increase shield strength

    • @HM2SGT
      @HM2SGT Před 2 lety

      Plush Coast Guard? I always thought the galaxy class more along the lines of the French Tumblehome dreadnoughts. I can’t remember who did the video, but it’s here on CZcams and it describes them; “When hotels go to war“.😸

    • @random_an0n
      @random_an0n Před 2 lety

      the game removes the plot armour the tv show had

  • @trazyntheinfinite9895
    @trazyntheinfinite9895 Před 2 lety +6

    These mods had zero balance

  • @retluoc
    @retluoc Před 2 lety +10

    I thought so...the Enterprise-D is a cruise ship with too many guns (a glass cannon). The Defiant has just as much power and ablative hull armor.
    Adrift, but salvageable...tough little ship.
    Worf: Little!?!?
    I'd like to see Sovereign class vs Defiant.

    • @hobomike6935
      @hobomike6935 Před 2 lety +1

      that would be over in seconds. the Sovereign class is huge and has multiple phaser banks and emitters, can outrun the defiant for hours by a few extra decimals of warp.
      the Defiant is slippery and can hide with it's cloak (if it has one) but just can't really go toe-to-toe with a sovereign in a long, sustained battle. it's only chance is perhaps a surprise attack with some VERY well landed attacks to disable most of the sovereign's systems.

    • @gokuvegeta7770
      @gokuvegeta7770 Před 2 lety +1

      @@hobomike6935 with piccard at the helm defiant would be gone

    • @Idazmi7
      @Idazmi7 Před 2 lety

      @@gokuvegeta7770
      With Picard at the helm, the Defiant wins more easily.

    • @gokuvegeta7770
      @gokuvegeta7770 Před 2 lety +1

      @Idazmi7 don't be mad borg tore it to pieces enterprise saved they asses haha

    • @retluoc
      @retluoc Před 2 lety

      @@gokuvegeta7770 It sure did 😄 And Picard told the fleet right where to hit it, just like when Khan hit the Enterprise. But that makes me wonder...if the Enterprise E were in the battle at the beginning, would the Borg have targeted and destroyed them first? 🤔

  • @haroldchase1881
    @haroldchase1881 Před 2 lety +1

    Try that against a Dominion war refit Galaxy class . Bet it’ll be a more even match up

  • @mdmyer
    @mdmyer Před 8 měsíci

    It has to be said... "Tough little ship".

  • @jkeelsnc
    @jkeelsnc Před 2 lety +2

    OH, so this is how a defiant totally wrecks a Galaxy starship!

  • @user-hh5wt4we6s
    @user-hh5wt4we6s Před 3 měsíci

    What game is that?

  • @anthonyedwards6671
    @anthonyedwards6671 Před 8 měsíci

    Perfect.

  • @SuperlativeCG
    @SuperlativeCG Před 2 lety +1

    Without a doubt.

  • @Anagh1701
    @Anagh1701 Před 2 lety

    1:38. What did he destroy?

  • @rinoz47
    @rinoz47 Před 2 lety +6

    And crash to desktop

  • @argonunya1543
    @argonunya1543 Před 10 měsíci

    Dumb question. Can the Defiant aim it’s pulse phasers independently of the ship or does it have to be facing its target to hit them. I mean like cannon Defiant from the show. Also, does it have traditional phaser beams? These questions have been haunting me. Get at me nerds. Seriously, someone tell me.

  • @getothechoppa114
    @getothechoppa114 Před rokem

    Am I just seeing this video mow lol. A year late🖖
    I have always felt if the defiant could sneak up like this and decloak and unload. She could definitely take out a galaxy class.

  • @dougsmith6262
    @dougsmith6262 Před rokem

    Damn, I honestly expected better of the D.

  • @cogentdesign
    @cogentdesign Před 2 lety

    Is this an official Bridge Commander game or is it modded?

  • @heavymetal19610
    @heavymetal19610 Před 2 lety

    ...she's a good little ship...

  • @cosmeticscameo8277
    @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 3 lety +7

    no contest defiant class would wreck a galaxy class ship as it did with the mirror neghvar. essentially you put a galaxy class firepower in a ship that small.

    • @bsgtrekfan88
      @bsgtrekfan88 Před 2 lety +5

      ummmmmm maybe depending on the commmander or crew but as bad ass as the defiant is - it at the end of the day is NO MATCH for a Galaxy Class ship - at least one from the Dominion Era. I admit it would be an interesting battle for sure but DS9 showed that even a modified Excelcior class could go toe to toe with the Defiant. . . a Galaxy Calss? Idk about that :)

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety +4

      @@bsgtrekfan88 the problem with defiant is as long as she avoids incoming fire she has the edge.

    • @thomas.parnell7365
      @thomas.parnell7365 Před 2 lety +3

      Exactly field 20 defiant s for the crew cost of 1 galaxy

    • @hobomike6935
      @hobomike6935 Před 2 lety

      @@bsgtrekfan88 galaxy class and refitted dominion-era galaxy class are almost 2 different ships, though.
      the original galaxy class really is just a cruise liner with enough guns to make you think twice about pirating it; the refit galaxy without all the extra quarters and guest accommodations is pretty dangerous and tears through anything from it's era, and even a few things from AFTER it's era.
      Dominion ships were cutting-edge new and had technologies the federation didn't know how to fight; the fact that galaxies often still managed to damage them or survive them is a testament to it's exceptionally well done and long-lasting design specifications.

  • @reubenmorris487
    @reubenmorris487 Před 2 lety

    Shoulda' de-cloaked on the flank of the Enterprise to avoid a torpedo barrage.

  • @LoCoNights
    @LoCoNights Před rokem

    I feel like the defiant would wipe the floor with the galaxy class

  • @Lord-Panda2112
    @Lord-Panda2112 Před 2 lety

    You didn't even set phasers to full power!!!

  • @sexylatinokid86
    @sexylatinokid86 Před 2 lety +1

    Who would have thought … a defiant class beating a galaxy class!! “Tough little ship” indeed I think!

  • @jonharper4478
    @jonharper4478 Před 2 lety +1

    That was surprising....and a bit disappointing.

    • @hobomike6935
      @hobomike6935 Před 2 lety

      unfortunately, as much as I love the Galaxy, she's a little long in the tooth.
      she's having to punch out of her weight class with all these new sleek ships that have fancy toys to play with like quantum torpedoes and ablative armor. her age is starting to catch up with her and she can't keep up.
      but back in her day and quite a bit after....finest ship in the alpha quadrant 100% :D

  • @pepperVenge
    @pepperVenge Před 2 lety +5

    There is no way I could ever believe a Defiant could beat a Galaxy.

    • @xeno_threat
      @xeno_threat Před 2 lety +1

      Many years ago, there was a site with a detailed breakdown of every Trek ship's strengths and weaknesses. Weapons, shields, maneuverability, and other attributes. In the end, every ship was assigned an overall tactical rating with the Galaxy used as a comparison point with a rating of 1000.
      So everything else was either higher or lower than this which would give you a good indication of its strength since most people know the Galaxy to be a pretty strong ship. If I remember correctly, the Defiant-class had a rating little over 1600, which would mean it's over 1.5 times stronger than a Galaxy despite being so small.

    • @InvincibleSol
      @InvincibleSol Před 2 lety

      Post-Dominion retrofits of the Galaxy, I could maybe sympathize. But the Defiant is a capable warship whereas the Pre-Dominion Galaxy was certainly not.

    • @pepperVenge
      @pepperVenge Před 2 lety +3

      @@xeno_threat That's a subjective source that sounds like it was made by a fan. So not only is it subjective, its likely very bias.
      For my argument, you only need to look at the ship's themselves and canon Star Trek Productions.
      The Galaxy class has 11 type X phasers covering all firing arcs, and 2 photon launchers, fore and aft, each able to fire up to 10 torpedoes either one at a time, or simultaneously.
      The Defiant does not. It has 3 small phaser strips, an aft torpedo launcher, 4 foreword facing pulse phaser canons, 2 foreword photons, and 2 foreword quantums.
      No mater where the Defiant is, its vulnerable to heavy phaser fire from the Galaxy.
      The Defiant can't do this. Its primary, and most lethal firing arc is its bow. Which means it can only fire when its facing its target.
      This is a disadvantage for the Defiant as it can only rely on its bow to deliver a worthwhile attack. If it's bow shield is too weak, a foreword attack would be suicide.
      A Galaxy can deliver the same amount of devastating phaser fire from any arc; fore, aft, port, starboard, dorsal, ventral.
      So if any shield is too weak, it needs only to maneuver to keep that shield protected, while still delivering the same amount of phaser fire.
      We also need to look at the shows themselves to see how each ship performed.
      The only times we see a Galaxy lose a battle is by unconventional means in Deep Space 9, where the USS Odyssey is destroyed after a Dominion ship collided into its deflector dish.
      We see 2 Defiant's destroyed in DS9, the Original NX-74205, and the USS Valiant after it engages a Dominion Battleship.
      The USS Valiant's fate alone is evidence enough that a Defiant class cannot stand alone against a larger opponent.
      Further, we need only look at the Borg.
      The Galaxy class Enterprise D faced 3 separate Borg Ships in 3 Episodes, in multiple engagements. The Enterprise survived every single one.
      Additionally the Enterprise D was alone each time it faced a Borg Ship; 2 Cube's, and the Renegade ship (unofficially known as an Assimilator).
      The only time we see a Defiant face a Borg ship, its almost annihilated.
      Keep in mind, the Defiant had support at the battle of Sector 001 in ST: First Contact, and still managed to be beaten.
      All this is why I have a hard time believing a Defiant can defeat a Galaxy in 1v1. The practicality of the ships, and what we see in the shows doesn't support this idea.

    • @pepperVenge
      @pepperVenge Před 2 lety +2

      @@InvincibleSol I don't agree. And I believe I can prove it. See my reply to Eric C. I'd be happy to discuss if you'd like.

    • @ibamarcel4577
      @ibamarcel4577 Před 2 lety +2

      @@pepperVenge sorry for my bad english ...you have right.... Galaxy class is strong ship with Huge fire power...it could be able destroy defiant.yes IT is a luxury hotel...but damn good armed luxury hotel.