The Blue Dome on the Enterprise A's Saucer is the ship's warp field governor or the plasma stream regulator, depending on the source material. In any case it is tied directly to the ship's impulse engines and warp core with the latter running through the neck into the secondary hull. This is the ship's weak point and why the Enterprise sustained such heavy damage in The Wrath of Khan when Spock said, "They knew exactly where to hit us."
Cool! Thanks for that info, never knew this. That explains a lot about the Wrath Of Khan battle. A definite weak spot. You would think it would be heavily armoured.
It is the Impulse Deflection Crystal. It is the top of the warp core and it is supposed to channel power from the warp core into the impulse engines for greater speed and efficiency. Without it, the impulse drive has to rely upon fusion reactors, which limits its performance.
Ah, the good old days when I was memorizing the Starfleet technical manual and Mr. Scott's guide to the enterprise rather than concentrating on graduating high school lol!
If I remember correctly, the Constitution Refit was the first Fed ship to install it's Warp Core vertically as opposed to horizontally so what you hit, if I'm correct, was the top of the warp core.
The Enterprise B's design was still being used when the Enterprise D came out. I am surprised that with the A's help it wasn't able to win. But I really love the Enterprise C, I think that it is a beautiful ship so I am glad it won.
Very interesting fight! The Excelsior put up a good fight but I guess the time difference between the ships was a bit too much. I'd be very interested to see the Lakota refit go against the Ambassador...or maybe even against a Galaxy with it's mid-24th century armaments.
That was a really amazing video I enjoyed it very much I totally love the Ambassador class it's a really cool looking Starship & so R the Excelsior & Constitution class Starships aswell
The A was doing fairly well against the C up until you decided to fire the phasers manually. now the question becomes, would the A and B win if you were to reverse your roles and play as one of them.
Is that an upgraded Ambassador class? As the Phaser strips are the one continuous band on the dorsal and ventral saucer section rather than the staggered version which they should be.
In actual scaling yeah, the C would ragdoll the enterprise A and B, much easier than here obviously, it’s 70% the power of the enterprise D, the enterprise B is roughly 30% (fun fact: the enterprise B’s phasers are actually stronger than its torpedoes.
I think it's generally accepted that most torpedoes are too small, and fly too fast to be targeted by phasers. In STO you can only target specific, heavy torpedoes that are larger and move a lot slower.
anyone know how to play this game on newer systems? I used to have this on windows 7 before i was forced to upgrade and now its broken not even starting anymore
Star Trek Legacy is another Space Combat Game. There's the Starfleet Command Series as well. If you like FPS there's the Elite Force Series. Or as Revkor has stated, Star Trek Armada is worth a go!
I was a bit flabbergasted, maybe 30 years ago. I picked up the FASA ST-TNG (I guess it was for the first season if there were others?) STSCTS sourcebook. Now, I'm a number cruncher, so I already knew that a lot of the original vehicle templates were illegal, by FASA's own rules (not so much a problem in battletech 3025, the only thing there that sticks to mind is the Orion's weird extra half-ton of SRM ammo. It didn't make the 'Mech overweight, and they rounded down, so no big, but it was technically illegal. "Only machine gun ammunition may be added in half-ton increments" or some such. A lot of the starships in the FASA STSCTS blatantly broke FASA's own rules. That said, I was a number cruncher. Go figure! Still am. Makes me good at games like that. Something directly forward of an Excelsior class ship (Enterprise-B, we presumed at the time. We learned that we were correct later.) Would actually be outmatched in direct forward firepower by any post-refit Constitution (for Example Enterprise-A) (We weren't exactly sure that they were still called Constitution class ships at the time, Enterprise class sort of stuck for any rebuilt/new construction of that type for about a decade from TMP to much later). Again, trying to correlate game rules to what we see on screen. Basically, in-game, an Excelsior class should want to turn at least slightly broadside to her target, exposing a whole very lot (Semi quoting a ST bridge officer starring in another movie, like if you get it) of guns. While an Enterprise, excuse me, Updated Constitution, type ship would either want to be directly down her throat or up her ass, to deny that opportunity. Depending on the decisions, skills, and experience of both Captains, of course. Both ships were fast, that was never the question. That game was awesome. So, I grabbed that book and, ran the numbers. RAW, "WDF" was nowhere near the "350+" as written. It was closer to about 85, IIRC. Seriously. 85 or something like that. Most medium cruisers had it in the 70+ range in Kirk's time. (Enterprise Refit had it at 89.6 As I recall). (I don't have the books in front of me, or I'd crunch the numbers again just to be sure. If you have them and feel like crunching them it's [Maximum damage x probability of damage for each range number. Don't get sloppy, because beam weapons have bonuses per range, so you can't just put a coefficient on it per firing chart. Do the work. Add it all up, divide by 24 and multiply by 1.43. You'll easily see when you get it right.] And D was only slightly higher in D factor than a Connie (refit, 2270+ construction). So, I put the jade-colored eyeglasses on at that point. (And I actually could point out where the deficiencies were, as I already sort of did. "WDF" is a reflection of maximum possible damage based on the weapons, and that's it, not their placement, not how much engine power is behind them, or how much powering weapons will handicap the ship in maneuver or shields, or even the fact that maybe you can't fire them all at the same target at the same time. No factor is given for having to go spin around (at least) and penetrate a shield (again) to do any more damage because your ship designer was an idiot. That's a big part of what made the Connies as written in that work beautiful. They could and would bring it all at once. With a skilled Captain, they could take out your weapons, disable your engine, then blow your ship apart, all before you knew what was happening. She will ruin your shit while Horner blarts out his fanfare. But even an Enterprise type (Trying to equally appease both sides there but I won't. That is the best that I could think of saying) could not fully power her weapons without good help from engineering in game, (60PU from undamaged engines standard, 62PU required for full weapons use. 6x Fh-11 (Max 10pu each) + 2 Fp-4 Torpedos. PTA 1pu each) and nearly all power sent to weapons. I actually was able to factor part of this into my calculations.) I won't pretend to be smart enough to put all of that through the ringer for you but note that NO ONE ELSE DID EITHER as far as I know. I've figured out that torpedoes are better that beams, just for power usage (get you a couple of maneuver points and another raised shield!). Speed is the number one factor in duels. And that directional firepower is more important than total firepower, at least by the rules as written. That book did not cover the Enterprice-C, nor did it cover any borg cubes. It only covered season one. I'm also sure that they didn't do justice to the Warbirds or Ferengi from Season1. They seem...neutered. All of that said: If FASA had lasted longer we might have gotten something more coherent. Since neither B nor D (in that set of rules at least,) could match a constitution class refit straight forward, that this might be a sticking point. Now I'm ready to watch this video. Let's see what this fictional game makes of this fictional content!
That's not the actual Ambassador Class Enterprise C, the warp engines are totally wrong, there is NO impulse engines on the nacelle pylons, and the navigational deflector is totally wrong. You can do an image search in Google and see the actual model of the ship and other images as well, and you will see the difference. The ship you are using is some ones modified ship, NOT the actual Enterprise C
It's a good job you didn't target the empty torpedo launchers on the USS Enterprise B. The torpedoes don't arrive until Tuesday.
You have to wonder if any of that ship was functioning. Maybe the Tech was stuck at customs!
Very accurate in terms of strength.
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It would seem that the neck is a weakness for the constitution. You broke its neck!!
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Wow, that impulse engine blowing the A in two at the end was amazing.
I laughed my breath all out about that giant "blue thing" self-destruct button
and now my belly hurts lol
"I'll target that blue thing...woah!" 🤣🤣
The Blue Dome on the Enterprise A's Saucer is the ship's warp field governor or the plasma stream regulator, depending on the source material. In any case it is tied directly to the ship's impulse engines and warp core with the latter running through the neck into the secondary hull. This is the ship's weak point and why the Enterprise sustained such heavy damage in The Wrath of Khan when Spock said, "They knew exactly where to hit us."
Cool! Thanks for that info, never knew this. That explains a lot about the Wrath Of Khan battle. A definite weak spot. You would think it would be heavily armoured.
It is the Impulse Deflection Crystal. It is the top of the warp core and it is supposed to channel power from the warp core into the impulse engines for greater speed and efficiency. Without it, the impulse drive has to rely upon fusion reactors, which limits its performance.
Ah, the good old days when I was memorizing the Starfleet technical manual and Mr. Scott's guide to the enterprise rather than concentrating on graduating high school lol!
...No.
Khan never hit the IDC. The Enterprise hit Reliant's when they retaliated.
@@RetroBadgerGaming If not armoured then at least dampen the big bright hit me here type sign from the glow.
The blue thing on the Enterprise A was the top of their impulse engines. It’s like where the crystals for it are housed.
Yup, one of the dumbest design features in existence...not quite THE dumbest, but definitely up there.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 almost as good as making the bridge prominently targetable? 😅👍
Depends on the refit level. A contemporary refit would rival the ambassador
If I remember correctly, the Constitution Refit was the first Fed ship to install it's Warp Core vertically as opposed to horizontally so what you hit, if I'm correct, was the top of the warp core.
The Enterprise B's design was still being used when the Enterprise D came out. I am surprised that with the A's help it wasn't able to win. But I really love the Enterprise C, I think that it is a beautiful ship so I am glad it won.
A lot of it comes down to the skill of the player. If someone had been playing the B instead of the C, the B would have likely come out on top.
The "blue thing" is at the top of the giant assed warp core. BOOM.
that was great you found their F'ing off button
Very interesting fight! The Excelsior put up a good fight but I guess the time difference between the ships was a bit too much. I'd be very interested to see the Lakota refit go against the Ambassador...or maybe even against a Galaxy with it's mid-24th century armaments.
Nice forced saucer separation on the Constitution
The blue thing you referred to on the Constitution Class was the impulse crystal.
That was a really amazing video I enjoyed it very much I totally love the Ambassador class it's a really cool looking Starship & so R the Excelsior & Constitution class Starships aswell
5:34 pure awesomeness.
That is a beautiful picture
I like that enthusiasm! Happy holidays!
Happy Holidays! :-)
Wonderful job Mon Capitan.... hmm maybe you should have had the helm at The Battle of Narendra III... just saying..!
Retro Badger you are a legend
The blue thing is the power source of the impulse engines
The A was doing fairly well against the C up until you decided to fire the phasers manually. now the question becomes, would the A and B win if you were to reverse your roles and play as one of them.
Jim Kirk piloting a 300 year old shuttle craft vs 5 Defiants, 10 Romulan D'Deridex Warbirds and 2 Borg Cubes.
He'd still win. He could probably win in a rowing boat with a space suit on.
@@RetroBadgerGaming funny, I was going to say pretty much the same thing when all I saw was your first sentence.
I like the Ambasador…
Nearly as much as the Constelation
A hard fought battle and a well deserved win!
That was a great battle
The character that reports on the shields sounds like Boyle from Brooklyn Nine Nine
0:51 That’s the enterprise b
Is that an upgraded Ambassador class? As the Phaser strips are the one continuous band on the dorsal and ventral saucer section rather than the staggered version which they should be.
In actual scaling yeah, the C would ragdoll the enterprise A and B, much easier than here obviously, it’s 70% the power of the enterprise D, the enterprise B is roughly 30% (fun fact: the enterprise B’s phasers are actually stronger than its torpedoes.
Shout out to the warp nacelles
Really want to see how the vengeance fairs against the ambassador.
I have never understood why the phasers can't be used for point defense to knock down incoming torpedoes.
I think it's generally accepted that most torpedoes are too small, and fly too fast to be targeted by phasers. In STO you can only target specific, heavy torpedoes that are larger and move a lot slower.
You have to set the weapons to a specific target (engines, weapons, etc) to get a 90% hit rate.
I never knew this.. thanks!
Even if it's completely out of it's league, there's still no ship as pretty as the Enterprise Refit/A.
Ambassador is bae.
The ambassadors are jedi knights
anyone know how to play this game on newer systems? I used to have this on windows 7 before i was forced to upgrade and now its broken not even starting anymore
Nice :) Do you have any similar Star Trek game recommendations? I love Star Trek BC but it's getting a bit boring.
if into RTS their is the Armada series
Star Trek Legacy is another Space Combat Game. There's the Starfleet Command Series as well. If you like FPS there's the Elite Force Series. Or as Revkor has stated, Star Trek Armada is worth a go!
@@RetroBadgerGaming if you get Legacy you need to get the Ultimate Universe mod. brings that game to its full potential
Thank you both, I looked up the games and they seem pretty interesting :D
@@donaldbestkorea2248 there is a reason their is a Sins of the Solar Empire mod Called ST A 3
What game is this please? As I'm a fan of star trek game's. And looking for a new one for this year.
It’s Star Trek bridge commander, with mods. The best mod is kobayashimaru.
@@RetroBadgerGaming cheers.
I was a bit flabbergasted, maybe 30 years ago. I picked up the FASA ST-TNG (I guess it was for the first season if there were others?) STSCTS sourcebook. Now, I'm a number cruncher, so I already knew that a lot of the original vehicle templates were illegal, by FASA's own rules (not so much a problem in battletech 3025, the only thing there that sticks to mind is the Orion's weird extra half-ton of SRM ammo. It didn't make the 'Mech overweight, and they rounded down, so no big, but it was technically illegal. "Only machine gun ammunition may be added in half-ton increments" or some such. A lot of the starships in the FASA STSCTS blatantly broke FASA's own rules.
That said, I was a number cruncher. Go figure! Still am. Makes me good at games like that. Something directly forward of an Excelsior class ship (Enterprise-B, we presumed at the time. We learned that we were correct later.) Would actually be outmatched in direct forward firepower by any post-refit Constitution (for Example Enterprise-A) (We weren't exactly sure that they were still called Constitution class ships at the time, Enterprise class sort of stuck for any rebuilt/new construction of that type for about a decade from TMP to much later). Again, trying to correlate game rules to what we see on screen.
Basically, in-game, an Excelsior class should want to turn at least slightly broadside to her target, exposing a whole very lot (Semi quoting a ST bridge officer starring in another movie, like if you get it) of guns. While an Enterprise, excuse me, Updated Constitution, type ship would either want to be directly down her throat or up her ass, to deny that opportunity. Depending on the decisions, skills, and experience of both Captains, of course. Both ships were fast, that was never the question. That game was awesome.
So, I grabbed that book and, ran the numbers. RAW, "WDF" was nowhere near the "350+" as written. It was closer to about 85, IIRC. Seriously. 85 or something like that. Most medium cruisers had it in the 70+ range in Kirk's time. (Enterprise Refit had it at 89.6 As I recall). (I don't have the books in front of me, or I'd crunch the numbers again just to be sure. If you have them and feel like crunching them it's [Maximum damage x probability of damage for each range number. Don't get sloppy, because beam weapons have bonuses per range, so you can't just put a coefficient on it per firing chart. Do the work. Add it all up, divide by 24 and multiply by 1.43. You'll easily see when you get it right.] And D was only slightly higher in D factor than a Connie (refit, 2270+ construction). So, I put the jade-colored eyeglasses on at that point. (And I actually could point out where the deficiencies were, as I already sort of did. "WDF" is a reflection of maximum possible damage based on the weapons, and that's it, not their placement, not how much engine power is behind them, or how much powering weapons will handicap the ship in maneuver or shields, or even the fact that maybe you can't fire them all at the same target at the same time. No factor is given for having to go spin around (at least) and penetrate a shield (again) to do any more damage because your ship designer was an idiot. That's a big part of what made the Connies as written in that work beautiful. They could and would bring it all at once. With a skilled Captain, they could take out your weapons, disable your engine, then blow your ship apart, all before you knew what was happening. She will ruin your shit while Horner blarts out his fanfare.
But even an Enterprise type (Trying to equally appease both sides there but I won't. That is the best that I could think of saying) could not fully power her weapons without good help from engineering in game, (60PU from undamaged engines standard, 62PU required for full weapons use. 6x Fh-11 (Max 10pu each) + 2 Fp-4 Torpedos. PTA 1pu each) and nearly all power sent to weapons. I actually was able to factor part of this into my calculations.) I won't pretend to be smart enough to put all of that through the ringer for you but note that NO ONE ELSE DID EITHER as far as I know. I've figured out that torpedoes are better that beams, just for power usage (get you a couple of maneuver points and another raised shield!). Speed is the number one factor in duels. And that directional firepower is more important than total firepower, at least by the rules as written.
That book did not cover the Enterprice-C, nor did it cover any borg cubes. It only covered season one. I'm also sure that they didn't do justice to the Warbirds or Ferengi from Season1. They seem...neutered. All of that said: If FASA had lasted longer we might have gotten something more coherent. Since neither B nor D (in that set of rules at least,) could match a constitution class refit straight forward, that this might be a sticking point.
Now I'm ready to watch this video. Let's see what this fictional game makes of this fictional content!
Really just a question of technological level, since none of them are good designs.
No excelsior refit available?
Have you done Enterprise D Vs B & C?
Yes, uploaded it yesterday.
Come on C!!!
Try that against a Dominion war refitted Excelsior class 😂 etc
No Chance! Haha. I don't think that would end well for the C. One spread of quantum's oughta do it!
@@RetroBadgerGaming 😂
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Thanks for watching 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming thanks for " thanks" !!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️💙👏👍🖖😀
What game is this
Star Trek Bridge Commander.
Lol I have to say that if the B's AI hadn't been so stupid as toturn it's top to you, they'd have won.
That's not the actual Ambassador Class Enterprise C, the warp engines are totally wrong, there is NO impulse engines on the nacelle pylons, and the navigational deflector is totally wrong. You can do an image search in Google and see the actual model of the ship and other images as well, and you will see the difference. The ship you are using is some ones modified ship, NOT the actual Enterprise C
Disappointing that the constitution refit isn't firing pulse phasers. 😞😕🫤