Tips for installing Cush Core tire inserts

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  • čas pƙidĂĄn 8. 07. 2024
  • Although inserts like Cush Core can save you from pinch flats and significantly improve your mountain bike's ride quality, many people find them to be a huge hassle to install. In today's episode of Looney's Tool Time, Pat gives us some tips on installing inserts like Cush Core.
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  • @pavelangelov6326
    @pavelangelov6326 Pƙed 4 lety +391

    That other Seth seems like a chill dude.

  • @Adamas_83
    @Adamas_83 Pƙed 4 lety +140

    Looney, if this your demeanor all the time, I want you on once a week giving mechanic tips & tricks, maybe even a product review or two here and there. Nice job guys!!!

    • @lukeorion9397
      @lukeorion9397 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      I've met him, he's like that all the time.

  • @caedenowens4224
    @caedenowens4224 Pƙed 4 lety +73

    Hey Seth, thank you for making these videos. They really make my day just a little bit better.

  • @feldybikes
    @feldybikes Pƙed 4 lety +55

    It’s surreal to see what’s a sorta SBH video without a “k” (or M) after the view count. This series is great so far!

  • @twisterballgm
    @twisterballgm Pƙed 4 lety +5

    I stuffed my cushcore in the dryer for 5 min on high and installed on the rim so easily. Very playable when its warm! little Xtra soap and water on the beads and installed it all by hand with no tire irons. really is easy to install and an awesome product.

  • @lokmtb8503
    @lokmtb8503 Pƙed 4 lety

    Some of the best tips for installing Cush Core. Especially like using gravity and pushing the Cush Core on from top of the wheel down.

  • @dontfeelcold
    @dontfeelcold Pƙed 4 lety +24

    From my experience, a used Cushcore insert is easy to remove and install compared to a brand new Cushcore insert. Brand new they are monumentally difficult to install.

  • @andrewdwight934
    @andrewdwight934 Pƙed 4 lety

    Looney's chill yet has a lot of on-camera presence. Nice. I don't ride hard enough to need cush core, but best vid yet on how to install.

  • @galehess6676
    @galehess6676 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Wow. Even with these very good instructions this was earns an 8.5/10 difficulty rating in my book. Marginal gains. It would be easy to break a tire lever getting that last little bit of some of the less loose fitting tires. I used XR4 cheap Bontragers, designed for sealant, but not TR, and maybe a bit tight. I used Muc Off bike cleaner as the lube, nano slippery stuff, to help things seat up, which they did immediately. 60 PSI with a compressor. Off to ride em in. Cheers.

  • @skullsroad3642
    @skullsroad3642 Pƙed 4 lety

    Just used this video to install cushcore for the first time. Damn excellent advice. Not going to say it was super easy, but it wasn't much harder than installing a really tight tire. Make sure you have long tire levers. It makes it more comfortable pushing the bead in. Something longer than Pedro's levers. I used a crank brothers lever and a "blue multipurpose plastic scraper" from Amazon with the corners sanded off.

  • @jonathanhutton4134
    @jonathanhutton4134 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    That looked much easier than what I have always heard about installing Cush core. Would love to see bike shop mechanic hacks.

  • @brianfurtaw7893
    @brianfurtaw7893 Pƙed rokem

    Pat told me how to do it and he's the best mechanic so Cush Core was easy.

  • @Antoine_Frs
    @Antoine_Frs Pƙed 4 lety +3

    A video about servicing a dropper post would be great đŸ‘đŸŒ I really love the first episodes of this serie.

  • @ericsharp5079
    @ericsharp5079 Pƙed 4 lety

    Great series! Love to see more like this.

  • @toony_grant
    @toony_grant Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Never seen someone pop a tire on a cushcore with that much ease. Thanks for the tips

  • @aabcxxyz2823
    @aabcxxyz2823 Pƙed 4 lety

    He'a a natural for presenting videos.

  • @TheGuyWho3415
    @TheGuyWho3415 Pƙed 4 lety

    This is a really good video
    Hope to see more of this dude in the future

  • @Peanutdenver
    @Peanutdenver Pƙed 4 lety

    I didn't know Seth had a 2nd channel featuring other players. Nice and Pat seems like a perfect fit.

  • @mattroy8629
    @mattroy8629 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    That is actually the best video I've seen on how to install Cushcore.
    Just discovered this new channel liking it so far

  • @mihec9236
    @mihec9236 Pƙed 4 lety +3

    Love this "mechanic stuff" videos

  • @TheNorthernRider
    @TheNorthernRider Pƙed 4 lety

    Awesome video! I love these quick easy videos man! thanks!

  • @massimpactstrategy5012
    @massimpactstrategy5012 Pƙed 4 lety

    Pat, thanks for the trail route the other day! I ride it every time I go up to pisgah! Guy with the Abus hat a few months back. That downhill really hauls ass!

  • @thebeardedman-drenaline5546

    Really great video and tips! Thank you for sharing👊

  • @davidstover7217
    @davidstover7217 Pƙed 4 lety +15

    This is the easiest looking way to put Cush core in that I’ve seen. I’ve been so daunted by this that my box of brand new Cush core has been sitting in my garage for over a month. But, now that I’ve seen a legit mechanic from a legit shop show me, I have a lot more confidence! Can’t wait to get my hands on a big trash can and get to it! Thanks guys!!!!!

    • @Jon-nz3dm
      @Jon-nz3dm Pƙed 4 lety +6

      Don't let this video mislead you, a brand new cush core will not go on as easy as he did it. He literally didn't even have to force it on, it just slid on. This shows that the cush core he has was used before and had been stretched over time. Sure, it may not be as hard as many videos show, but it's also not THIS easy. Good luck, sir.

    • @lukeschlieper8880
      @lukeschlieper8880 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Jon L The actual Cush core instructions say to use a hammer so I’m not saying it’s impossible but it sure as shit isn’t as easy as he did it

    • @JoJoLaPompa
      @JoJoLaPompa Pƙed 4 lety

      verdict ? Success or Failure ?

    • @DanyTizl
      @DanyTizl Pƙed 4 lety

      I’ve put cushcore in both front and back on my meta. It’s definitely not easy the first time, but once you’ve done one it’s a much easier process for the second. You definitely need a compressor (which I don’t have!) or a pressure can (which is what I used) to reseat the bead once in, as you’ll never get it to seat with a floor pump.

  • @Graeleaf
    @Graeleaf Pƙed 4 lety

    Thanks for the instruction! Wicked cool!

  • @wetfart756
    @wetfart756 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    i like this guy please keep him around

  • @bikingwithmykids7358
    @bikingwithmykids7358 Pƙed 2 lety

    Thanks for video!!! Did this for the first time today and wow, not bad at all but I can see pulling out what little hair i have left if I didn’t know the trick you shared👍

  • @mamashecrazy7423
    @mamashecrazy7423 Pƙed 4 lety

    You make that look so easy!

  • @SteadySpin
    @SteadySpin Pƙed 4 lety +2

    Looney is the man

  • @LoganRides
    @LoganRides Pƙed 4 lety

    Hey Seth, I love your videos!

  • @parkervaughn2658
    @parkervaughn2658 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I love your videos and you have inspired me keep up the good work

  • @lindonandlisa8114
    @lindonandlisa8114 Pƙed 3 lety

    Thanks for that Seth was really really handy to have somebody show me how to do it

  • @willbros1499
    @willbros1499 Pƙed 4 lety

    Great video. Liking the new channel. So many variables affect this. Tire width, casing (DD's and DH casings are a MF'er), and also the rim itself. Rims that have a narrow deep channel....good luck. Rims that have a very shallow channel...good luck. Rims with and offset channel....good luck. It's all about getting that second side to bead, and without room to get it pushed in past the CushCore, it makes it a world harder in my experience. I'm not saying they are impossible, and especially for someone like Looney with experience, but it's definitely easier if you have a nice wide-deep channel, and a more standard casing tire. I believe in CushCore. It works and does the things they say it does. I just ran into trail issues that made me decide that unless I'm racing Enduro or DH, the Pros don't outweigh the cons.

  • @guslynott8539
    @guslynott8539 Pƙed 4 lety

    So cool to see you Patrick on seths channel

  • @user-nd7jy1lv6g
    @user-nd7jy1lv6g Pƙed 3 lety

    Great and to the point

  • @Scott-ShaggyBeard
    @Scott-ShaggyBeard Pƙed 4 lety

    Hadn't set a new tire on a wheel in I don't know how many years, but went and got CushCore to match up for a hardtail I'm building. I was successful on the front with a new DHF, though it felt like I had just arm wrestled a gorilla. The rear was actually the one I attempted first, but gave up (probably too soon) and removed the CushCore, mounted it just tubeless (will try it again after running the tire a little to loosen it more). I was able to set both with a floor pump without any trouble (it's not a high volume pump either, just some $70 thing from Amazon that had high ratings). Also, didn't use tire levers much and just muscled it and thought "so this is why Seth has those forearms".

  • @Jay-jn3sl
    @Jay-jn3sl Pƙed 4 lety +7

    For anyone having issues seating the bead with a foot pump, try pumping the tyre up with an inner tube in first. Then deflate and remove one side of the tyre, insert the tyre insert and put the tyre back on. It also helps to spray soapy water on the bead and rim once the tyre on on. The just pump as hard as you can without the valve core to seat it, add the valve core and re-inflate.

  • @anthonywoodham4175
    @anthonywoodham4175 Pƙed 4 lety

    Hey Seth, can you so a video on tire. And the Purpose of cuch core. Thank you for the awesome video's, they are a great training guide.

  • @graysquirreltreeservice7299

    Ty buddy just got the box of cushcore, now I have the clue to install easily 😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍👍😁

  • @Merica735
    @Merica735 Pƙed 4 lety +4

    Yea loony thanks 4 helping start this channel!!! And taking Seth's place

  • @sw47507
    @sw47507 Pƙed 4 lety +4

    Love these videos. I would like to see how to go from a 3x to a 1x. Also how to eliminate chain noise.

    • @RealMTBAddict
      @RealMTBAddict Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Go to a 2x, same range as 12 speed but with a much stronger chain.

  • @vancetwitchell1788
    @vancetwitchell1788 Pƙed 3 lety

    Thanks!

  • @joschomo1010
    @joschomo1010 Pƙed rokem

    Need more of pat

  • @tonyhruzek4250
    @tonyhruzek4250 Pƙed 4 lety

    That was one of the BEST insert installation videos!

  • @RealMTBAddict
    @RealMTBAddict Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Great weight adder. I'm happy with my 26" Spank wheels and tubes.

  • @voltagecherry
    @voltagecherry Pƙed 4 lety

    I never knew you could inject sealant through the stem, I always thought it’s gum up the stem making and using the valve core difficult and or impossible to place back in. That’s cool to know.

    • @denismacfarlane255
      @denismacfarlane255 Pƙed 4 lety +2

      Eventually it does plug up but get a pic and pop out the solidified sealant in the valve and good to go. I always put sealant in through the valve.

  • @tizben
    @tizben Pƙed 4 lety

    God, that Mondraker looks awesome

  • @mtbwithct8426
    @mtbwithct8426 Pƙed rokem

    Bring this back

  • @grskier
    @grskier Pƙed 4 lety

    I like this video, I like the ABC video. I'd love a 201 bike maintenance. Like, how often should I be bleeding my brakes? Any hacks on checking chain spacing? How often should pivots be greased?

  • @sl1289
    @sl1289 Pƙed 4 lety

    I’d like to see a video on tuning a suspension fork. Air valve, thumb turn knob, lock/unlock, turtle/rabbit, plastic insert thingys...I have a nice fork but no idea where to begin making adjustments.

  • @bennelson5939
    @bennelson5939 Pƙed 4 lety

    could you make a video on how to service a fork? keep up the good work.

  • @andersun16
    @andersun16 Pƙed 4 lety +3

    I'd love to see a video on trailside repair/change if you get a cut/flat on a cushcore tubeless setup.

    • @th_js
      @th_js Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Then you're screwed.

    • @lucienlalachance
      @lucienlalachance Pƙed 2 lety

      Your not screwed anymore than you would be normally. Once they've stretched out they are super easy to install or uninstall. I have struggled with a old insert going in a new tire (tire keepes popping insert out of the bead) but just be persistent and if possible have some strong thumbs.

  • @agrijunkie
    @agrijunkie Pƙed 4 lety +2

    Great video. Made it look soooooo easy. You should check out Skills wit Phil, it didn't go as smooth for him 😕.
    At the end why did you push the tyre beed, under the cush core??

  • @BrianVaughn
    @BrianVaughn Pƙed 4 lety +1

    What stem valves are you using? I find the Cushcore ones suck when adding sealant.

  • @1pho3nixmatt
    @1pho3nixmatt Pƙed 4 lety +27

    Today I learned Seth's last name. Never thought about it.

  • @The_GreenMachine
    @The_GreenMachine Pƙed 4 lety

    if you hav tight tire and rim combos i find it easier to get one side of the tire on first, then put the cushcore in, then do the other side of the tire. takes me 5 minutes to install this way, super easy!

    • @dazman5152
      @dazman5152 Pƙed 3 lety

      I am thinking of purchasing CushCore XC, I have a set of enve m60' have just installed new Maxxis tires, I am too hoping to pop one side slide it in then re seat tyre on wheel, whats your thoughts, or ytricks to do it.

  • @charleybikes2958
    @charleybikes2958 Pƙed 4 lety

    My DH bike is at a shop rn and they are installing my crush core for me but I’m worried because they didn’t even know what Cushcore was. I hope they read the instructions 🙏

  • @logannave6169
    @logannave6169 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Hey pat, you should get squat jumps bikes to sponsor seth

  • @fynnchiboy1060
    @fynnchiboy1060 Pƙed 4 lety

    Nice

  • @Erafune
    @Erafune Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Getting it on isn't what I'm worried about. It's getting it off if the rim tape doesn't work like it should.
    Finally someone who got the tire off in one piece. Don't want to have to cut it to shreds.
    For anyone that reads this - DON'T BUY WTB tubeless tires and wheels. They are an absolute PITA to get on and off. I don't know if it's the tire or wheel that is the main problem but I have to use a screw clamp to force the tire bead out of the bead seat. And that's without Cushcore. No way I can push it by hand with any tool. Which also means you need a screw clamp in your bag if you're using tubes and need to fix a flat on the trail. Hopefully Maxxis tires will solve my problem.

  • @ringtoolDRIVER
    @ringtoolDRIVER Pƙed 2 lety

    This may work flawlessly with Maxxis tires and used cushcores, but try your luck with Eddy Current rear and a new plus Version cushcore.

  • @nabeelimtiyaz1656
    @nabeelimtiyaz1656 Pƙed 4 lety

    Great video. Maybe you could do a tutorial on how to convert your bike from a 3x to a 1x

    • @RealMTBAddict
      @RealMTBAddict Pƙed 4 lety +1

      2x has same range and a stronger chain.

  • @Max-iv6dz
    @Max-iv6dz Pƙed 4 lety

    I like it

  • @thepatograper2420
    @thepatograper2420 Pƙed 4 lety

    I don't have a torque wrench but my stem requires equal torques or else it'll squeak. Any suggestions or tip?

  • @chameleonpogono
    @chameleonpogono Pƙed 4 lety +3

    Wish mine went on that easy. Took me 45 minutes to do one, then broke the other wheel during install. I'm sure I was the laughing stock of the bike shop. Having said that, I do like the Cushcore, after it was all finished.

  • @andrewdoody5725
    @andrewdoody5725 Pƙed 4 lety

    wheel building!

  • @BogdanMiliu
    @BogdanMiliu Pƙed 4 lety

    If you follow the instructions to the letter ... it's a 10 minute process. One other tip I found useful is to use some leather gardening gloves if you use tons of soapy water.

  • @camperhonsa8633
    @camperhonsa8633 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    You, Sir, have an insanely loose tire/rim combination. A godsend I didn’t have the luxury of experiencing when installing my cushcore. The thing is, you literally need two people and steel levers to put the tire on WITHOUT the cushcore, so after trying for about an hour and not even being able to seat one bead, I gave up. Installing the tire with a tube still took like half an hour. I’ve never experienced such a tight combo.

    • @TheMykHyn
      @TheMykHyn Pƙed 4 lety

      I've got a Maxxis Shorty Wired Tyre and i feel you. that was one hell of a workout to get it on :D

    • @shredbroinc2988
      @shredbroinc2988 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      It's easy if you do it right no matter what wheels and tires.

  • @Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors

    Either im the biggest weenie ever- this video showed the easiest wheel/ tire/ cush core combo ever, OR this dude is frickin heman.
    I followed the directions to the t on a cushcore i just removed and where he slides the last piece of bead in i have like 2" of overhang to overcome getting the final section of the first bead in.
    Holy crap

  • @lukem7347
    @lukem7347 Pƙed 2 lety

    Is the process any different on plus/fat rims with cut outs?

  • @stampstransou8773
    @stampstransou8773 Pƙed 2 lety

    Is this the Patrick Looney from Race Pace bicycles in MD? If so, I remember a Barnett's class back around 2010 that you were taking at the time. Still drumming on the side?

  • @davidthebiker2955
    @davidthebiker2955 Pƙed 4 lety +10

    "You can use whatever tire sealant you wanna use..." Just don't use Finish Line. Cuz it doesn't work

  • @MattXL..vanilla_gurilla
    @MattXL..vanilla_gurilla Pƙed 4 lety

    How much sealant with cushcore in? Same amount on 29er 2.3

  • @KKM_108
    @KKM_108 Pƙed 4 lety

    Bike sizing? I'm. 6"1 with a long trunk. Best to be fitted I guess? Legs a 30 in pants, tall on shirts

  • @galehess6676
    @galehess6676 Pƙed 2 lety

    Sounds like 2:35 is key. Also, if you don't have tubeless ready tires, you may end up with a tire too tight to fit.

  • @ethanthebeast5653
    @ethanthebeast5653 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    How do you clean your bike; what do you lube

    • @lukeschlieper8880
      @lukeschlieper8880 Pƙed 4 lety

      Ethanthebeast56 Literally anything that moves or is a bolt

  • @niklasdr
    @niklasdr Pƙed rokem

    I missed the part about the valve pushing the CushCore insert up above it pushing the tire to the side. You might want to address this as well! Thanks.

  • @pbenjlo
    @pbenjlo Pƙed 4 lety

    You're putting back the valve core after you aired the tires?

    • @willbros1499
      @willbros1499 Pƙed 4 lety

      He didn't cover that part well, but he did what a lot of people do, which is air it up without sealant to get the tire to bead onto the rim. Then you let the air back out of it, add sealant through the stem, and then air it back up with the sealant. It just keeps the sealant in the tire a little better, and it also serves as a "trial run" to identify any big issues that sealant can't address. If there's some sort of bad leak...like from a torn rim strip, or even a bubble on the tire that happens occasionally when the rubber can separate from the housing, you won't have to to through the hassle of removing the sealant and starting over.

  • @antonylautama5419
    @antonylautama5419 Pƙed 4 lety

    Newbee asking..how many air tyre presure for 27.5 x 2.35 tyre with inner tube..my weight current 75kg..sory for my bad english..thx

  • @jasonosullivan513
    @jasonosullivan513 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    How do you convert the old weird stem and Handel bars to the newer ones

    • @stevendeckert6373
      @stevendeckert6373 Pƙed 4 lety

      If there's a threaded headset on the bike, you're mostly toast. You can use a threadless stem adaptor, but I personally wouldn't use them for mountain bikes.

    • @jasonosullivan513
      @jasonosullivan513 Pƙed 4 lety

      @@stevendeckert6373 thanks

  • @Nebdog111
    @Nebdog111 Pƙed 4 lety

    What is the advantage of a cush core?

  • @jalapenohotcakes
    @jalapenohotcakes Pƙed 4 lety

    👍 👍 👍👍👍

  • @brickbros211
    @brickbros211 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    This is great but the easiest way his to go to Squatch, and let Pat do it for you

  • @DoubleOhRacing
    @DoubleOhRacing Pƙed 4 lety

    2:41 is that the crack that was "fixed"? 😉 .. And why a cush core. Just seems like extra weight to push up the hills?

  • @ZacHigham
    @ZacHigham Pƙed 4 lety

    With a brand new magic Mary, dtswiss ex471 rims and cushcore, it was near enough impossible for me to do it alone. I gave it my local bike shop and it took 3 mechanics to get it on. Don’t be fooled by the ease of installation videos

    • @jamaicanarchie
      @jamaicanarchie Pƙed 4 lety

      Zac Higham I hear you. I got a Maci Mary and Nobby Nic hoping to reinstall my cushcores. I finally gave up and am riding wild without my cushcores.

  • @snouf
    @snouf Pƙed 4 lety

    kush core

  • @brauljo
    @brauljo Pƙed 4 lety

    Now do a Tannus Armor installation video.

  • @ketaminekarl5744
    @ketaminekarl5744 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    What’s cush core used for?

    • @nwbudro9210
      @nwbudro9210 Pƙed 4 lety

      Cushioning to reduce the chance of bottoming out and damaging a rim. If you don't run really low PSI or don't do big drops over rocky terrain, you don't need it.

  • @sidshel4428
    @sidshel4428 Pƙed 4 lety

    PTS-1 is the tool number

  • @curtisf_06
    @curtisf_06 Pƙed 4 lety +18

    It says ‘intall’ in the thumbnail

  • @fmb7719
    @fmb7719 Pƙed 4 lety

    I cant believe this channel has only 336 subscribers

    • @TheNorthernRider
      @TheNorthernRider Pƙed 4 lety +1

      2.53k now 😂😂😂

    • @nwbudro9210
      @nwbudro9210 Pƙed 4 lety

      I can't believe you even care.

    • @fmb7719
      @fmb7719 Pƙed 4 lety

      NW Budro so why did you bodered to reply my comment? So stupid

  • @laurenzschramm932
    @laurenzschramm932 Pƙed 4 lety

    Do I need a cush core valve or is one of any kind ok

    • @Jon-nz3dm
      @Jon-nz3dm Pƙed 4 lety

      take a look at the cush core valves online, then look for others like it. they are different than regular valves, but other manufacturers make some that will work with cush core that are built pretty much the same as the cush core ones. but i'm pretty sure they come with the cush core when you order them, so you shouldn't need to buy them separately.

    • @laurenzschramm932
      @laurenzschramm932 Pƙed 4 lety

      @@Jon-nz3dm Thanks

  • @OnewayEwan
    @OnewayEwan Pƙed 4 lety

    Yo

  • @JulianoGSF
    @JulianoGSF Pƙed 4 lety

    Removed a perfectly good tire?

  • @MrBerreJ
    @MrBerreJ Pƙed 2 lety

    I can't even get the first bead in. Watched multiple tutorials and everyone just pops it in with their hands. I just can't get it to go no matter what I try. What am I doing wrong?

  • @oscars7948
    @oscars7948 Pƙed 4 lety

    What is cushcore for?

    • @GTChucker86
      @GTChucker86 Pƙed 4 lety

      Oscar S so that you dont hit the rim on drops when your running really low tire pressures

  • @gaypreator8547
    @gaypreator8547 Pƙed 2 lety

    What’s Cush-core?

  • @gavindean
    @gavindean Pƙed 4 lety

    Envy M90 and a DH minion is an impossible match you will cry your self to sleep after trying to get that tire on, and if you do by some miracle you will definitely have destroyed the rim tape and it won't hold air.

  • @Narakiwi
    @Narakiwi Pƙed 4 lety +2

    Cushcore? The $150 foam? That's a premium high end product right there.

    • @CodyWBrown
      @CodyWBrown Pƙed 4 lety +1

      It's the cheapest suspension upgrade out there.

  • @noah8268
    @noah8268 Pƙed 4 lety

    who would dislike this?