Respect from your horse at Feeding Time
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- A video of a horse in for training with some undesirable and potentially dangerous behaviors during feeding. It is important to remember that something like disrespect, while it may only show up "at a certain time, is always lurking. This is a "MUST BE ADDRESSED" issue in my opinion or we are not safe while around our horse.
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Very few of us read horses for a living, but ALL horses read people for a living. As long as those people hold him up to the standard, he should be fine. If they start tolerating bad behavior, he could certainly regress.
Yesterday, my usually respectful, well mannered paint gelding decided to make me his b#$&h. While grooming him, he suddenly swung, knocking me off balance with his shoulder. He has never behaved that way. I immediately backed him up, and moved his feet. He was pissy while I saddled him, so I did some half hearted ground work for two minutes. When I got on, he was uncharacteristically stubborn and uncooperative, until it started to feel like a wrestling match.
Mystified, I thought something was hurting him, or he didn’t feel well. Hah. Every night, both horses automatically go the pasture when I open the gate. Not last night! The paint pranced off in the other direction. He wouldn’t come when I called, and I actually had to go back to drive him towards the gate. My sweet, docile boy swung his butt at me (which I immediately smacked with the whip, something I never do). He ran a few yards, then spun around to face and challenge me, head and tail up, ears pinned, all fiery. (I looked to see if his testicles had grown back). Wow. I’ve had this horse for five years, and he has NEVER behaved this way.
Later, while I was looking up horse exorcists, I came across your ‘how to mount a horse’ video. No brainer, right? Duh! I know how to get on a horse! At least I used to. Your video made me (painfully) aware that I had become sloppy without even realizing it. Somehow, I had turned into the poster child of ‘how NOT to mount a horse.
Then I watched this video, and realized I had been ignoring sour and pushy behavior, particularly at feeding time. I was either distracted, in a hurry, too hot, too lazy, [fill in lame excuse of choice here]. My paint horse didn’t ‘suddenly’ turn into an obnoxious, arrogant ass. By allowing his disrespectful behavior, I had unwittingly trained him to be one. (I do the same thing with men 😂).
See how how much I’ve learned from just two of your videos? (Which is miraculous, because I have the attention span of a gnat swimming in a can of Red Bull, and I think I know everything). Heh. (Okay, Ima go have another delicious serving of crow now!) Thanks!
Thanks! I am going to work with my little one tonight at feeding. Yes, it depends on the horse personality. I have 2 stud colt wean-lings that one is very non aggressive and the other is always pinning his ears at feeding time.
Best of Luck!
Joseph, to answer your question, it depends greatly on the horse. Some having learned to stay back unless allowed to approach, will usually not try someone new.
Others will try someone knew.
Which is one reason you need to not have anyone handling horses or feeding that you haven't worked with.
Horses are constantly assessing a pecking order, seeing who they can bully or not.
Consistent handling and correct handling by you is key, but you cannot think horse will not try someone else.
I don't know how you deal with people that are ungrateful and criticize anything that you do and it's quite apparent that you are very very knowledgeable anyway thank you for your patience with the other people and I
grateful to see your training
The vast majority of comments are quite positive, and thanks for your kind words as well. You sure can't let a few negative people stop you in your pursuits. Ride on!
Thank you you are a very good teacher for us not to get hurt
Excellent information...
I was bitten many years ago, since then I have made the effort to teach the horses to stand patiently at the far corner of the stall with their hindquarters facing away.
I feed and not allow them to approach until I'm out. I like your round pen idea, I will integrate all this information into my thinking, giving you all the credit of course !!! ThankYou again for your videos.
Thank you for using a horse with behaviour problems in your training videos... it's easier to learn when the horse is actually showing poor behavior.
Cheers Daniel,nice tip,will practice with my colt,has same pinned ears and sour demeanor 👍
8:31 the horse:
"- Yyyhaaa! I"m gona get MY food with ears down the second moment you turn away!" ;)
thks, but the audio was terrible.
Hello I'm trying this but my horse isn't getting away he just turns his backend to me and goes to kick.
Definitely have something in your hand to create distance and be in an area large enough to move him away. Now, when he does this, whip him from a safe distance and MOVE HIS FEET. You have significant dominance issues and thus safety issues. It is imperative that you solve this ASAP, but from a safe distance.
If you had an alpha mare that tends to try an run most other horses off a round bale feeder would you do the same to try an make her softer for the other animals. 21yr old 16h 1300lb mare vs 8yr old 15h 1000lb mare.
She will tolerate until the half a square gets down to a flake or two. Then she gets nasty biting butts an running the younger mare off.
It’s pretty difficult to alter pecking order between other horses. If it was a big problem, I would approach it without feed around and by leading/riding the submissive horse and using it to drive around and control the more dominant horse. This tends to bring the alpha “down a notch” and give the more submissive one a boost. If the gap is large and you aren’t the CLEAR leader though, this can make things get messier. If the dominant one isn’t really biting/kicking/harming the other(s) then I’d probably advise leaving well enough alone.
Good deal, I have been working on backing them in the stall to the back corner till I give their grain. They both seem to be picking it up fairly quick in just 4 feedings. My 8yr old has knocked the grain pan out of my hands a bunch of times an she seems to be understanding to wait until I say it’s ok. Still tempting fate at times but is very responsive to me when I say now an back her up quickly
I have both mine stalled at feeding and my mare goes after my gelding in the stall next to her I sho her back and tell her stop in a firm voice and she backs off after I put her feed in her bucket she takes a bite and gooes right back after him.
I'm not sure if this is a question or a statement. Would you like advice about this?
Yes some advice on how to stop her from going to the side of her stall and trying to attack my gelding.
There can be a few things in play here. For instance, is she doing this out of aggressive dominance, or defensiveness. Some horses are fine most of the time, but can get very defensive about their feed when other horses are near. Is she only acting this way toward horses, or this specific horse, or is she showing ear pinning, biting, etc. with regards to people and feed also? Since she is a mare, is the behavior worse when she is cycling, or is she potentially affected by a cyst that makes her seem in heat and pissy all the time?
Probably the easiest thing to do is simply tie her in her stall with her feed in the far corner while she eats so that she can't bother with him or feed one in a totally different area like a paddock. If you want a more pro-active mngt. strategy or if she is so bad that she'd then kick at the wall when she can't bite at him, then waiting in the barn isle between them with a flag or rope to swing is about your only recourse. If the issue really is bigger than just with this gelding, as in the questions that I asked previously, then I would handle her exactly as the horse in the video.
Hope that helps!
Likely, the shooing away and firm voice that you are using are simply not enough of a penalty to affect the behavior. If you have to do it more than a few times, what you are doing is either misunderstood (unlikely in this case) or it is simply not enough. Get LOUDER!!! In order for punishment to work, the punishment must be a price that is unwilling to be paid. You could also try getting her out of the stall and working her very hard for a few minutes each time she acts this way and see if she makes the connection. Timing is critical!
She was in with 12 other horses before I got her and she only does it at feeding time.The lady I got her off of said she was very food aggressive.
well first of all your are not letting him eat this is Miranda
Ok, some question in my situation. I'm caring for 8 horses, putting on and taking off fly masks, for the next 8 months. One horse has bitten me twice, snaked me a third time and constant ear pinning. She was abused and injured by a potential buyer. Half the time I get respect but it's on her terms. But after this snaking direct chase at me in the field in which she turn,...I thought I was going to get kicked...I've about had it with this horse. Owner would flip if I took in a whip with me but my safety is now a concern. I've got to convince the owner that the horse needs retrained. I'm new at all this but learning via videos. We have no round pin...separation from the group is unlikely so how do I solve my issue? Owner believes in hugging the horse when she goes to bite...well that is what got me bit the second time.
Thanks for sharing this video and for the time to answer me.
I’m going to answer you in a video. I’ll post it here when up, in case you don’t get notifications. Good question, and, yes, bring the whip.
@@DanielDauphin Thanks, looking forward to it.
you stated he was rescued!! He's obviously been mistreated and needs love, patience and to learn to trust you! you can earn love and respect with love and respect...All this can take time. I don't know about discpline right away?
I never said he was a rescue. This horse was raised by and is still owned by the same person. He was a running quarter horse who was injured on the track. I got him to ride after he'd had a year off and a lot of treatment to heal to see if he'd make a barrel horse. Nothing nefarious, just a sour minded horse who needed some manners.
I, in no way, expressed or believe that this horse was abused or mistreated.
does everyone who feeds the horse have to go through these same steps?
how do you make it less food aggressive for everyone in general?
Feed him in his stall but don't weaponize his feed. Have him stand to rear of stall before you even walk in. If he steps towards feed you step out until he stands back until you let him come forward. Dont hit him or use flag. Use pressure and release..
Horse has crazy eyes.
What about a horse thats pushy with food but has his ears pricked up?
QuickScope Girl I'd handle it similarly. Pushy is never good manners nor safe.
Daniel Dauphin I've been trying to teach my horse to back up. (Please tell me if this is wrong) When I tell her to backup I say 'backup' and I do it for about 6-10 feet and then reward her with a treat. Today was my first time I worked on this. I want to build up her topline, and I done it today for about 10 minutes. I don't know how long I should be doing it but I plan on going on longer when she gets used to it. At feeding time I told her to back up and she did without any negative remarks. I haven't worked her in 2 months so if you have any tips let me know. Thanks😊
I also haven't ridden her so if you have any exercises that will help with that that would be appreciated. 😀
We have a video series on our website, for subscribers, where we are filming a filly of mine's entire first year. You can see firsthand just what I do, and why, to a horse that will be a personal demo horse.
that what bothere me my does the same thing lol you know
i Was bitten by a pony when i was giving all the horses apples :( I had given out hers already then the instructor told me to give the other horses theirs ..she wanted all of them and bit my arm ..thank god i had a thick jacket on! Bruised for weeks!