I saw you commented on my barrel length question yesterday's video. On that note, while in high school ROTC, back in the day, I tried out for the 22lr small bore team. We were shooting the Winchester 52D. They had 28'' barrels with aperture iron sights. Good luck tomorrow.
Awesome video and a big thank you to Jamie for turning up to receive an ass kicking. It shows incredible character. My Anschutz 1710 DKL Sporter shoots better than both of those rifles. Do Anschutz make a PRS Rifle, if so, it'd be great to see a review on that rifle.
Yeah I've built competition rifles, 3000-4000 is a good price. The five I've built average 4-5k in parts for larger calibers. The action and the chassis cost the most, easily 3k on those two things alone. Then comes the barrel, trigger, etc. Add 1200 for a suppressor. It's an expensive hobby, especially if you have to build two rifles that are identical for a match. Also optics are expensive, and finally, ammo can easily cost you 5k-10k per year or more depending on caliber. That's why I like a trainer gun in 22lr or 556, and 3-4k is a good target budget.
With .22, max velocity isn’t the criteria. It’s consistent muzzle velocity, and it seems that a longer barrel develops more consistent muzzle velocities. Also with .22, you want to stay just below supersonic. Like you mentioned with the ISSF European .22 rifles, that are closer to 24 to 26 inch barrels.
I’ll put money on Simmons with the Curtis customs(did I see that on the gram)this year. Ray you do pretty well with with the CZ, vudoo, RimX, victrix. If they solve the mag issue for the same money then great.
I've had my Venus SB Pro for a few months now. I haven't done any lot testing yet, but from what I've seen so far the Eley team/match/tenex seems to be the ammo my rifle likes the best (22 inch barrel). Looking forward to see what your testing will result in. I also have an Anschutz 54 that can shoot great groups, but when it comes to reliability and cold bore shift the Victrix is far better. I haven't had a single malfunction yet and cold bore shift is basically non existing.
What I would like to see, is both shooters shooting the best lot tested ammo on each rifle... Elley, Lapua X-act? Would like to see the best accuracy of each rifle.
10/22s aren't $150 anymore, haven't been for a long time. They're in the $300s for the plain vanilla barrel band carbine model, even with the plastic trigger guard. I bought 2 around 2002, 2003. The blued one was $165ish, and the stainless one was around $180.
Unlike some making comments here, I don't have a single rifle that will outshoot either of the very fine guns in this video. Unlike some making comments here, I don't possess the skill set to compete at the highest levels (and win) either. Okay, enough sarcasm from me. Good luck at the match Ray!
I feel people fail to realize that in terms of rounds fired , your rimfire rifle will be maybe 100 to 1 ratio , or more , so given that you will likely spend more time shooting your rimfire rifle , maybe its worth having a real good one , over a poor or average , I just measured a old trg on me wall , 3 groups , 5 shots , 1.037 , 0.915 & 0.907 done outside in hilly terrain , Annie 54 , CCI std ammo .
For most 22Lr ammo 16-18" achieves peak velocity but NOT minimum SD. A quick analogy if you take the shock absorber off a coil spring car it is undriveable as it bounces like a pogo stick. Take the shocks off a leaf-sprung ute and it will drive ok, which is caused by interleaf friction (or coulomb) damping. A lead bullet sliding in a barrel once peak velocity has been achieved behaves in this way and the coulomb damping from lead on steel friction evens out SD's. There is an upper limit of that effect based on acceptable loss of velocity, ease of handling weight etcetera. So a 26-28" barrel gives about ten inches of damping. Lead has very good damping properties which is why it is generally the primary damping mechanism used in base isolators for earthquake damage mitigation.
For sure! However, everyone has since changed to 22” and 24” barrels in their PRS rimfires since this video. Helps with balance as well as making the barrels seem to be less picky with ammo lots. 👍🏼
Thanks for the Video its been difficult to find reviews on the gun, my Victrix pro should turn up next week and I look forward to trying different ammo. We tested the small bore standard before ordering, from that we tried 5 different brands of ammo including centre-x and it didn't like it at all, Eley match was pretty good, SK long range performed the best SK match was not as good. If you can do one on the Victrix Venus Pro in 6 or 6.5 CM that would be awesome.
Hi Ray, I’m looking at buying reloading gear. I’m looking to buy the best most accurate gear. I’m leaning towards the v4 and fx scales, what press would you recommend?
So, I have sent multiple rifles to Capstone in the past for lot testing. While I do see the benefit of being able to get lot tested ammunition, my results with the same ammunition is not indicative of what the rifles are truly capable of achieving.
Here’s what it boils down to and I’m nit bein a smart ass ray..I love you man honestly..but..when we think .22s it’s a budget friendly..Savin $$$ kinda deal…but like you said there’s people that take it to its highest level/potential which be honest all us ol country boys kill to have a $10k .22 to play with because you can’t really do much else with 1..yea you can hunt with it but damn I’d be nervous…lol..oh and that little range you shot at in hazard Ky had land get sold and they run everybody off…shot there last wkend and we put our own target up…your welcome here anytime though…lol…thanks buddy matt
@@XRING i think only viewers with high end headsets can hear it. I linked it to my gf (sorry) and she couldn't hear it. Found out I can't hear it either on our phones speakers.
That’s a great question. So, CZ’s are some of my favorite rifles and I have recommended them highly for PRS or NRL rimfire competition. I think you will have much more versatility and availability of parts and options with the CZ as far as chassis, barrel selections and triggers. If price is no option then the Victrix is also a great choice but you have to like the package in its entirety. For comparison, would you rather have a Z06 or a Ferrari? Both will be top performers but your budget and taste will be the determining factor. None of the precision rimfire rifles are any good without proper lot testing and availability of ammunition. Kind of like running 87 octane in either of the vehicle listed above. We also cannot forget that the driver will make all the difference as well. 👍🏼
If they made it rem 700 compatible they would have had a winner..... in this day and age if you chose to make a modern platform that wont take up to 75 percent of all bolt action accessories.....then you made a mistake....... You know as well as I how many more customers they could have had if they made it rem 700 footprint.......guys would easily spend good money on barreled actions........so not sure what their thought process was here.....unless in Europe rem700 means nothing.....which it very much could be ....
I agree with you 100%. Just like the AI, Sako, Victrix and so many other European manufacturers they just don’t do the Rem700 footprint. Would definitely help them a lot.
The costs of a custom rifle can be justified, but for a .22? Again, unless your living depends upon it, I just can’t see it. But then again, to each his own… YMMV
It disappoints me to see the cost of the hobby go this high. Fancy rifle from Italy for $4000 , if you’re lucky enough to get one then add that Zeiss scope at another $4000, mount at $500, bipod, mags etc. I get that people spend a lot on rifles and that’s great but I’ll tell you I build Rim-X for less than that that will shoot with what you had today and feed every round. There are lots of guys shooting Athlon or Vortex glass that don’t cost $4000. Lots of customers just don’t have $10,000 to go shoot .22 matches. As I recall your the guy who took an out of the box CZ 457 MTR, put a scope that fit the factory rules and shot 3rd overall in a match going in with no sorted ammo and no dope. I’d bet you paid 0 for your fancy new toy, good for you, but how many people get a free anything? Let’s face it the “influencers” drive the hobby so the average guy, maybe with a son or daughter that want into some shooting hobby. They see videos saying hey an $8000 to $10,000 set up will get you going. What percentage have that money? Do you think they stay? Do they buy the 10/22, RUGER precision or Savage then go shoot it, can’t hold MOA, and feel like they are going to have a great time showing and finishing last. My point is do you want precision rimfire to be hundreds of thousands of shooters strong with matches all over every weekend or 25,000 of the same guys all playing with each other. Personally I’d rather be building lots of rifles people can afford that promote shooting sports and grow the numbers so I never have to see some dim witted anti gun nut holding up a rifle of any kind saying there is NO use for this in America
@@John-uo1qfthe average American makes less than 50K per year , average people are not buying 8K rifles plus 5K in ammunition and travel expenses plus a mortgage and a truck payment the world isn’t full of Elon’s
Those rifles don't shoot very well I don't think I would put that kind of money in either one of those rifles I have a cz457 with a modacam barrel that will smoke those rifles I shot 15 5 round groups today and they were all.3 and under sorry guys but that's a fact. Beagleman
What a rifle. Ray I had not heard of them until now. Thanks for the work you put in.
I saw you commented on my barrel length question yesterday's video. On that note, while in high school ROTC, back in the day, I tried out for the 22lr small bore team. We were shooting the Winchester 52D. They had 28'' barrels with aperture iron sights. Good luck tomorrow.
Awesome video and a big thank you to Jamie for turning up to receive an ass kicking. It shows incredible character.
My Anschutz 1710 DKL Sporter shoots better than both of those rifles. Do Anschutz make a PRS Rifle, if so, it'd be great to see a review on that rifle.
Looks like the Venus Pro dominated.
Enjoyed the video, thanks, Ray. 👍🏼
Looking great out there I believe you will be in the top five tomorrow and have a fantastic weekend. Thanks Sir
I wish ! The bar has really been raised in the rimfire game. Lots of great shooters out there now.
Yeah I've built competition rifles, 3000-4000 is a good price. The five I've built average 4-5k in parts for larger calibers. The action and the chassis cost the most, easily 3k on those two things alone. Then comes the barrel, trigger, etc. Add 1200 for a suppressor. It's an expensive hobby, especially if you have to build two rifles that are identical for a match. Also optics are expensive, and finally, ammo can easily cost you 5k-10k per year or more depending on caliber. That's why I like a trainer gun in 22lr or 556, and 3-4k is a good target budget.
With .22, max velocity isn’t the criteria. It’s consistent muzzle velocity, and it seems that a longer barrel develops more consistent muzzle velocities. Also with .22, you want to stay just below supersonic. Like you mentioned with the ISSF European .22 rifles, that are closer to 24 to 26 inch barrels.
I’ll put money on Simmons with the Curtis customs(did I see that on the gram)this year. Ray you do pretty well with with the CZ, vudoo, RimX, victrix. If they solve the mag issue for the same money then great.
I've had my Venus SB Pro for a few months now. I haven't done any lot testing yet, but from what I've seen so far the Eley team/match/tenex seems to be the ammo my rifle likes the best (22 inch barrel). Looking forward to see what your testing will result in.
I also have an Anschutz 54 that can shoot great groups, but when it comes to reliability and cold bore shift the Victrix is far better. I haven't had a single malfunction yet and cold bore shift is basically non existing.
What I would like to see, is both shooters shooting the best lot tested ammo on each rifle... Elley, Lapua X-act? Would like to see the best accuracy of each rifle.
Thank You Ray!
Regards,
Denis
Just for those who donot understand , I meant ratio from rimfire to your centerfire rifle .
10/22s aren't $150 anymore, haven't been for a long time. They're in the $300s for the plain vanilla barrel band carbine model, even with the plastic trigger guard. I bought 2 around 2002, 2003. The blued one was $165ish, and the stainless one was around $180.
Unlike some making comments here, I don't have a single rifle that will outshoot either of the very fine guns in this video. Unlike some making comments here, I don't possess the skill set to compete at the highest levels (and win) either. Okay, enough sarcasm from me. Good luck at the match Ray!
I feel people fail to realize that in terms of rounds fired , your rimfire rifle will be maybe 100 to 1 ratio , or more , so given that you will likely spend more time shooting your rimfire rifle , maybe its worth having a real good one , over a poor or average , I just measured a old trg on me wall , 3 groups , 5 shots , 1.037 , 0.915 & 0.907 done outside in hilly terrain , Annie 54 , CCI std ammo .
For most 22Lr ammo 16-18" achieves peak velocity but NOT minimum SD. A quick analogy if you take the shock absorber off a coil spring car it is undriveable as it bounces like a pogo stick. Take the shocks off a leaf-sprung ute and it will drive ok, which is caused by interleaf friction (or coulomb) damping. A lead bullet sliding in a barrel once peak velocity has been achieved behaves in this way and the coulomb damping from lead on steel friction evens out SD's. There is an upper limit of that effect based on acceptable loss of velocity, ease of handling weight etcetera. So a 26-28" barrel gives about ten inches of damping. Lead has very good damping properties which is why it is generally the primary damping mechanism used in base isolators for earthquake damage mitigation.
That is awesome to know and thank you for the comment. 👍🏼
I had a B14r do the same thing as the RimX at 6:56 in the video.
It can make a difference in where you place at a match...
Ray sounds like you have a barking spider problem out there 😂
Lots of them !! 🤣
Out of the box "Victrix" is the way to go. I love Venus PRO SB
Thanks!
Victrix Professional line is Hot Fire!!!
nice rifles boys. cheers.
Actually, studies have shown that with 22lr after 20” barrel length, velocity decreases unlike centerfire.
For sure! However, everyone has since changed to 22” and 24” barrels in their PRS rimfires since this video. Helps with balance as well as making the barrels seem to be less picky with ammo lots. 👍🏼
Ok I really want one now
Thanks for the Video its been difficult to find reviews on the gun, my Victrix pro should turn up next week and I look forward to trying different ammo. We tested the small bore standard before ordering, from that we tried 5 different brands of ammo including centre-x and it didn't like it at all, Eley match was pretty good, SK long range performed the best SK match was not as good. If you can do one on the Victrix Venus Pro in 6 or 6.5 CM that would be awesome.
My pleasure and soon I hope for the 6 👍🏼
@@XRING Thanks Ray that will be awesome, I have the Venus X in 6.5CM shoots 4 inch clays at 700 yards its crazy accurate
@@user-ms6ts1fh8x I cant wait till mine comes in. Supposed to be here next month.
Hi Ray, I’m looking at buying reloading gear. I’m looking to buy the best most accurate gear. I’m leaning towards the v4 and fx scales, what press would you recommend?
I use the Area 419 exclusively. It works rather well for me. Not sure if it’s the best but I do like the versatility.
With the length of barrel, going to be tough in and out of any bar type stations....
It’s only 6 more inches! 😂 Very true though Bryan.
My gun had a bad operator…😂
🤣
Let's see the two rifles after testing at Capstone for a true comparison
So, I have sent multiple rifles to Capstone in the past for lot testing. While I do see the benefit of being able to get lot tested ammunition, my results with the same ammunition is not indicative of what the rifles are truly capable of achieving.
Here’s what it boils down to and I’m nit bein a smart ass ray..I love you man honestly..but..when we think .22s it’s a budget friendly..Savin $$$ kinda deal…but like you said there’s people that take it to its highest level/potential which be honest all us ol country boys kill to have a $10k .22 to play with because you can’t really do much else with 1..yea you can hunt with it but damn I’d be nervous…lol..oh and that little range you shot at in hazard Ky had land get sold and they run everybody off…shot there last wkend and we put our own target up…your welcome here anytime though…lol…thanks buddy matt
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fart at 13:12 lmao haha love your vids mr x ring
🤣 you heard that ehh! 🤣🤣
@@XRING i think only viewers with high end headsets can hear it. I linked it to my gf (sorry) and she couldn't hear it. Found out I can't hear it either on our phones speakers.
Lol 😂 , the silver fox will blow em away tomorrow.
LOL Ray farted on camera. Thats funny stuff that is here in internet history. If only it captured the other 10000 farts off camera haha
@BreezyBeary LOL! We were outside! 🤣
I assume ya'll will trade some ammos if say you have some that works for a buddy and not for you and vise versa ?
@xring - What bore guide would fit the Venus Pro SB? Boretech has no idea
I machined one. I’ll get back to you on a possible solution
@@XRING Have a safe trip - lets get these made ;)
@OhMyVideology Thank you. I will definitely look into it.
You shouldve hit that spider that was messi g with your target 😅
That jumping spider jumped! 😂
What target is that
Venus pro or a Cz LRP 457 what would you pick from ?
That’s a great question. So, CZ’s are some of my favorite rifles and I have recommended them highly for PRS or NRL rimfire competition.
I think you will have much more versatility and availability of parts and options with the CZ as far as chassis, barrel selections and triggers.
If price is no option then the Victrix is also a great choice but you have to like the package in its entirety.
For comparison, would you rather have a Z06 or a Ferrari? Both will be top performers but your budget and taste will be the determining factor.
None of the precision rimfire rifles are any good without proper lot testing and availability of ammunition.
Kind of like running 87 octane in either of the vehicle listed above. We also cannot forget that the driver will make all the difference as well. 👍🏼
Ferrari feels no need to explain why they charge what they charge. Its OK if u cant afford it....but dont complain about it
If they made it rem 700 compatible they would have had a winner.....
in this day and age if you chose to make a modern platform that wont take up to 75 percent of all bolt action accessories.....then you made a mistake.......
You know as well as I how many more customers they could have had if they made it rem 700 footprint.......guys would easily spend good money on barreled actions........so not sure what their thought process was here.....unless in Europe rem700 means nothing.....which it very much could be ....
I agree with you 100%. Just like the AI, Sako, Victrix and so many other European manufacturers they just don’t do the Rem700 footprint. Would definitely help them a lot.
The costs of a custom rifle can be justified, but for a .22? Again, unless your living depends upon it, I just can’t see it. But then again, to each his own… YMMV
It disappoints me to see the cost of the hobby go this high. Fancy rifle from Italy for $4000 , if you’re lucky enough to get one then add that Zeiss scope at another $4000, mount at $500, bipod, mags etc. I get that people spend a lot on rifles and that’s great but I’ll tell you I build Rim-X for less than that that will shoot with what you had today and feed every round. There are lots of guys shooting Athlon or Vortex glass that don’t cost $4000. Lots of customers just don’t have $10,000 to go shoot .22 matches.
As I recall your the guy who took an out of the box CZ 457 MTR, put a scope that fit the factory rules and shot 3rd overall in a match going in with no sorted ammo and no dope. I’d bet you paid 0 for your fancy new toy, good for you, but how many people get a free anything? Let’s face it the “influencers” drive the hobby so the average guy, maybe with a son or daughter that want into some shooting hobby. They see videos saying hey an $8000 to $10,000 set up will get you going. What percentage have that money? Do you think they stay? Do they buy the 10/22, RUGER precision or Savage then go shoot it, can’t hold MOA, and feel like they are going to have a great time showing and finishing last.
My point is do you want precision rimfire to be hundreds of thousands of shooters strong with matches all over every weekend or 25,000 of the same guys all playing with each other. Personally I’d rather be building lots of rifles people can afford that promote shooting sports and grow the numbers so I never have to see some dim witted anti gun nut holding up a rifle of any kind saying there is NO use for this in America
It’s got to be a religion to spend this kind of money on rifles like those two most sane people can’t , good comparison though
It really just depends on how much discretionary $$ you have available. $10,000 is chump change to Elon
@@John-uo1qfthe average American makes less than 50K per year , average people are not buying 8K rifles plus 5K in ammunition and travel expenses plus a mortgage and a truck payment the world isn’t full of Elon’s
Those rifles don't shoot very well I don't think I would put that kind of money in either one of those rifles I have a cz457 with a modacam barrel that will smoke those rifles I shot 15 5 round groups today and they were all.3 and under sorry guys but that's a fact.
Beagleman
$ 4,000 to shoot 22lr at 100 yards ..... f ing insane what a joke ..and then does not feed ..
They shoot way farther than 100yards in competition. 😅
You need to add an extra $4000 for the scope 😮
You’re the guy that says your 10/22 will shoot consistent .2’s, huh?