2024 Mustang Darkhorse Dyno numbers 100% stock...Way more power than expected!
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- čas přidán 19. 09. 2023
- With just under 100 miles on the odometer, we strapped our 2024 Mustang Darkhorse down on our in-house dyno with some surprising results! And we dive into the possible reasons for other very low reported dyno numbers. Data logging is king! The gen 4 Mustang is a hot rod!
Vehicle specs:
2024 Darkhorse
Manual trans
5th gear pull
93 octane
100% stock, no modifications at all - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Great video Justin! Looking forward to future updates. -Justin
thanks brother! Following right along with y'alls as well! It's a great time to be a hot rodder!
Great video. I really appreciated that you said realistic percentages for drivetrain losses. So many people assume modern drivetrain losses are 20% and over inflate the crank numbers. 12% loss is realistic with that car. You have definitely earned the sub from me. Great video.
Appreciate that! I've been hot rodding my entire life and have had the shop since 2015. I'm just now getting around to the youtube thing but what you see is what you get!
Well you just earned another subscriber! Was a master Ford tech for years and now work in R&D for engine development. I can tell you are a true and knowledgeable enthusiast. Looking forward to more content.
Thank you for the kind words! Appreciate it!
Great video. I will definitely pay attention to your channel Justin.
thank you! There's a lot of stuff we have in the pipeline :)
@@jordanperformance we need more honest and knowledgeable people like you on CZcams.
Good job figuring this out. I knew those other videos were just people not knowing what they were doing.
Glad you got the manual.were close in age,an i just scratch my head every time i see an automatic stang.
agree! While I love the 10r, I feel like this car deserves a manual transmission!
super cool, great idea..
This car literally makes 20 more hp than my c6 I make 422 hp and 393 torque on a stage 4 btr cam and cold air intake and long tube headers. Not bad at all for a Mustang I’m impressed love how they look too.
I saw that taking out those carbon paper things in the intakes improves the power by a pretty good number for a $0 modification.
All S550 and S650 owners, PLEASE DO NOT use less than 93 octane
Yeeehawwww! Nice work!
thanks dude!!
Happy birthday for Sunday
thank you!
Nice!
This needs to be the most searched s650 dump pull video out there
i agree! But I'm a bit biased :)
Awesome car love the new mustang Happy birthday bro and many more Ford powered forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it
Stop waving that keyboard towards the car! my anxiety is through the roof! nice dark horse. hello from Gainseville, fl, it's hot here too. None of these other shops are logging AF ratio? Thought that was pretty standard with dyno runs or is that only when tuning or forced induction?
pretty standard yes but since these cars have factory wideband 02 sensors, they're probably not using the dyno wideband to check. And my assumption is that not all the shops actually go through the trouble to datalog using IDS or FDRS since no other aftermarket softwares are currently supported.
A lot of the dyno videos of the manual DH were pulled in 4th gear because of hitting the speed limiter in 5th and not being able to go to redline. How did you get around that with a 5th gear pull?
Probably because its a handling pack car with Y rated tires (186mph). My assumption is that my factory speed limiter might be higher than the non handling pack cars. The factory governor in a given vehicle is DIRECTLY correlated to the tires that are installed from the factory. I.e. - aunt sallies toyota corolla might have a 140mph speedometer but her factory "S" rate tires means she's governed at 118mph..
@@jordanperformance I believe Middleton Performance had the handling package on their manual DH and ran into the speed limiter issue in 5th gear when they put it on the dyno.
@@rastaphno idea then. 5th gear and manual trans at 7300 is 153mph roughly. The only limit I hit is the factory rev limiter
@@jordanperformance seems like there are a lot inconsistencies going on in these dyno videos. But, I think you are one of the few that have been able to dyno it in the 1:1 gear ratio.
@@jordanperformance Middleton got the same numbers as you. they mave have hit the rev limiter too and thought it was a speed limiter. raising the rev limit to 8k is possible with these right? Maybe it will make a bit more.
So what exactly is wrong with the car? I’m a bit confused…? The car limits itself for what reason?
When the pcm detects a major fault, often times the car will not go to PE fueling or “power enrichment”. With no fuel going to the motor, it won’t make power and will start to knock and the pcm will pull back the spark timing.
No fuel and no timing = no power!
I thought the mt82d4 was 1:1 in 4th gear the older ones were 5th
You are correct but the DH doesn't have an MT82, its has a tremec
My GT did 415!!
You should get a GT on here and see if you can do some magic with the numbers lol or you should teach everyone how to dyno the new mustangs. Definitely subscribed to watch you
thank you! Our 24 GT 10R is on order. We're patiently waiting to receive it
Mine did 415 to the wheel
So is a "proper break in period" a bunch of horseshit? I had to close my eyes at a brand new engine getting ripped like that but you're the pro!
I believe proper break in is to drive them how you want them to run.
Damn “dyno plug” that’s what I get for assuming lmao
Learn something new every day!
Wait you cant even read the widebands with a MPVI3? Holy.....
That's correct. Until the PCM is unlocked and at the very least mapped so the datalogging can work, most people are essentially flying blind. Because we're a Ford repair shop, I pay for annual access to Fords Diagnostic equipment which also allows me to do datalogging and other useful actions, even on a brand new car.
@jordanperformance oh yea im familiar, you marry the A10 valve body with that tool I had to seek people out for that had lots of trouble with my 10r80...
I didn't realize they could use read only mode, well for sure a LOT of what I've seen and my assumptions from it are now irrelevant and I have to reaccess everything...if they don't know commanded and actual lambda, timing, torque source, torque tables who even knows what the A10 is commanding for power or the TWIN throttle bodies opening angles are...vs timing...cat over temp kicking in at track....
Yea ALL my assumptions based on most content I have to re assess.....I still hate the mark up, but we don't even know if it's maintaining 90 degree throttle angle on each throttle body from the hit,.how long it takes to get there from the hit, how the nannies are affecting timing vs throttle angle even precharge pressures and torque management is this gen A10 giving you the 2019 drag mode shifts cause that was 3 tenths on my car...we wouldn't know if active octane logic is enabled and learning your fuel source....what is the intake to exhaust cam timing doing during the duration of a run down the track vs ect and IAT...I mean 100s of variables we simply don't know that could be holding it back....I played a lot with cam phasing at cruise and wot on my 2019...it can be huge.....
Yea we know almost nothing then.......
@@ShawnGilbert1967I logged a bunch of stuff when I filmed the carbon trap/filter video I'm working on. I go over a lot of stuff. Check it out once it's uploaded. Should be this weekend sometime
Justin, now put it on a set of scales and then you can report it only actually weighs 3800 😂
That video drops tomorrow.. We actually did that today..
1/4 mile trap speed please with weight...this is gonna be fun for the haters...
I think I’ll just stick with my Terminator.
Took you long enough to make a channel
Wait - are you saying people might actually enjoy the stuff I have to say??
@@jordanperformance lmao yes dude you are a world of knowledge and tucked away in Ruskin show case them skills good lord knows my mustang put ass hurting on plenty of people with the same mods after you put your sauce on it
@@BoostedFLthanks man! Glad to hear that!
lol you kept swinging that keyboard close to the car and im over here cringing and sweating....
Dyno a stock gen 3 on your dyno and compare them.
I'd love to if I had a bone stock gen 3 here at the shop.
BuT iTs A dUd
Still run mid 12s stock?? .. go ahead pay the 80k to run slower
I disagree
@@7000U9ZHIFTyour account was created a week ago… your a troll. Be jealous and broke.. my order comes in around October 9th. Great car, great quality compared to previous generations. They just mad.
@@7000U9ZHIFT actually Motor Trend ran a 12.1 in a 10R80 with stock tires. Read Justin's information regarding the limited RPM range (likely from cafe restrictions) on the manual S650 and the potential of the Gen 4 Coyote after the ECU is unlocked.
@728Autos Compared to What?
Power wasnt the issue.. They just run horrible times.. 12.5 to low 12's is a dud compared to a S550 low 12,s to high 11s.
We'll see what tonight; weather pending
and plus its summer right now - can't really judge a n/a car on how it performs in the heat of summer
Plus the pcm is locked..once the power is unleashed, a lot of people are going to be surprised :)
laziest take on the internet these cars make more power and weigh roughly the same as the S550's I've owned 2 S550's and a S650 they pull the same on a prepped surface with proper tires these cars will get the same numbers it's just new gen Mustang hate remembered this crap with the first S550's came out smh
@alexodonnell5587 I have had 5 s550, drove a S650 and a buddy has one(A10). The cars stay eve. Then gets slowly walked. S650 trim for trim is 140lbs heavier
@jordanperformance it aint releasing any power NA unless it's E85 and it's gonna make pretty much what a gen 3 makes, same heads,cams only difference is the dual intakes which are there for epa purposes. Until there is data it's a gimmick
@@johnflanagan6231 so the CJ Pony Parts and LMR videos that show they're basically the same are what ? alternative facts ? these cars are not slower than S550's they're just not if they're getting walked by S550's leave a link to a few videos showing that I haven't seen any
I "de-badged" my Camaro and replaced it with the Dark Horse emblems and everyone is astonished over my new "Dark Horse" 🙎♂️
If the Camaro even closely resembled the Dark Horses's aggressive overall design. It wouldn't be ending production Even Chevy dealerships don't want Camaros setting on their lots collecting dust. Since you didn't mention the year or model of your Camaro. I doubt if you even own one. Since the Camaro which in French means *Comrade* can't compete with the Mustang sales numbers. Now the *Comrade* will compete with a different Mustang. The Mach E....
@@DWH300 nah man I own an s550 procharged with all the goodies. That is why I am at liberty in dogging the new over priced under performing s650. From what Ive heard, its a DUD and now a SNITCH 🤷♂️🤭
Cool story. Still a 12.3 car stock.
You aint lyin! But hey, at least we still have a V8 muscle car we can buy. Ford is the last of a dying breed and while it's cool to talk crap about it, consider us blessed that we actually have a V8 car to "complain" about :) have a blessed day!
A Lot of Jealous people out there.