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just sign up for the patreon and all will be gucci.
what about a version for rust ++ ? im ordering carb free, gluten free quinoa coin now. soon as i get my ZIG dex working.
kai, what is "it" that you lent?
I'm currently using koi coin, are they environmentally compatible?
I would like to buy quinoa coin, where is the whitepaper?
cant afford it? it costs 0.00001$ per coin, im a billionaire in quinoa.
"Don't write this down, next week all of this is gonna change" - The realest part of this entire video 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hate web development, why can't user interfaces be standardized and boring and square boxes like Windows 95 ?
@@monad_tcpWindows 7 UI was nice. It has gone down hill since then.
I use Notepad++, btw.
😂😂😂 when he looks down and starts erasing everything on the piece of paper
FACTS
@@monad_tcp well there is a standard right? html5 with web components, but we don't talk about it cause it sucks xD
JavaScript
1995: Look, you can make the button change on mouseover!
2024: 😭
full stack using only one language was the worst mistake. Now if they were using a simple Python, C# or Go backend, they just one framework. I prefer FastAPI, and then maybe one thing to make the UI look good, I prefer Bootstrap. No need for other bloat. Of course because I have to use Tensorflow my Python is the bloat.
@@jhonshephard921 doesn't the us government use c# for its backend?
@@moonashano. It uses Python because it’s a big snake and it gives them the slowness they need.
@@jhonshephard921 bootstrap is bloat 101
2030: immediate UI made in C running on webassembly and canvas. We added content-type: app/canvas/webasm, HTML5 is dead
2024 is the year of the serverlesslessness xD
Don't forget the Serverless servers for your serverlessserverless
“They say that every year, but this year they’re out of VC funding”. This stuff … 😂😂😂
when its going to be the year of webdeveloperlessness ?
XDDD
serverless is such a stupid name anyway. You still have a server, you just don't interact with it as a normal server. But it's not like it's client-only apps 🙄
"we push on save" --- dead!
The younger generation's "clean compile, ship it" 😂
OH I thought he said "unsafe", well... same thing really
@@daddy7860 😂🤣😅😂😆 i heard unsafe the first time too.
I completely lost it at that point.
What does that mean?
Good meeting everyone! Once the backend team gets their shit together, this architecture should be suitable for displaying the user's birthday on the settings page.
as a backend dev, I blame the execs for not putting their shit together
But.. is Galactus microservice working?
KRAZZAM YES
@@sebastiantomasalvarezNope. This is our blocking issue. So let's try again in two years?
Supabase Aws Typescript Apollo Nextjs
ah my favourite - the SATAN stack
This made me laugh out harder than it probably should have...
The DEVIL is in the details
Snagged the 666th upvote on this, there's my dopamine for the day.
The finished pentagram just below it is priceless.
Like deploying infinitely on Hono for 0 dollars!
lol, i just realized that
The real joke is that it is not a joke.
this channel turned silently into documentary one... (I did notice first time when the web user experience was documented, but I have suspicion the process started way earlier)
@@ped7g not even a mockumentary, yes...
and yes the process was always unfolding under our mocking eyes.
the real joke is javascript
@@segueoyuri yet javascript works... well, it works enough most of the time, when properly coerced 😛
@@yxyk-fr that's it lol it does work, but there's a lot of gotchas and gimmicks and libraries and...
"We push on save."
Ci as God intended.
I hope they have unlimited computing credits for their CI stack, because I have hard-wired my brain to use ctrl+S as a punctuation sign !
Cowboy coding still strong, just shoot into live (get asked questions later)
@@bnjkf9u3 The purest form of CI
The good old days when we connected to server on SFTP, edited on the fly and saved the file directly on the FTP server
Push on Save™: Because who needs Git when we have Syncthing versioning?
The customer just needed an Excel table...
Google sheets as a database-God tier
Libre Office!
The customer just wanted a swing for his grand daughter.
"just"
@@hippocleides7105 I use power point.
"still slower than the speed of light" 😂
but they're working on it
"but this year, they're out of VC funding" -- my drink damn near met my monitor lmfao
timestamp?
@@magne6049 bit starts at 5:48
What's the joke? I understand the words but not put in that order
@@younesskafia4189
There's a bit of history behind this one. (warning, bit of a text wall lol)
Fundamentally, there are 2 primary ways you can run an app:
- On-Premesis (you literally own computers that run your code)
- Cloud/Serverless (someone else (AWS, GCP, etc) owns the computers, they run your code for you)
Originally, everything was On-Prem (cloud providers didn't exist). In this joke:
> 2024 is the year of the Server-less-lessness
they're saying Server-less-lessness instead of On-Prem, probably because they need to sound NewAndFancy(tm). But really, it's just what we did in the Before Times :P
> They say that 10 years ago. They say that every year, but this year, they're out of VC funding.
There are lots of reasons to choose one over the other (Serverless or On-Prem), but for the purposes of this joke, the important one is: When you want to be able to start small and scale up fast (e.g. if you start your app from nothing and your app goes viral), you want Serverless, because you can rent new Cloud compute near-instantly, in response to traffic. With On-Prem, if you get a big spike in users, you need to physically acquire more machines (or need to own more than you'd normally need, Just-In-Case(tm)). This means your "viral moment" could turn from your breakout moment to a service outage if you're not careful.
Venture Capital (VC) Startups very much want Serverless, because they're banking on building new things very quickly, and want to be able to respond to sharp increases in users.
When VC money starts running dry, people start looking for cheaper ways to do things, to reduce costs, rather than relatively more "recklessly" chasing gigantic user growth. _In general_, for a stable product, you can get operational costs lower with on-prem (or so I've heard).
@@younesskafia4189 serverless is very attractive and affordable for early stage products, but it scales up very expensively. I don't do web backend anymore though, so maybe it's not the same these days.
OK, but does Omegastar now finally support ISO timestamps?
No but Bingo 5.2 was recently released and now supports ISO-8601 formatted name-o's.
I love how I was thinking in the middle of the video "Wait, wasn't the CZcamsr someone else last time?". I like this style of video.
Probably another team, Omegastar is written in Java
i fucking coded iso timestamps till the end of time and lost my job, wtf!
That is the superior crossover
Thanks for letting me sponsor this video!
#consipracy everything is a damn ad nowadays smh! I'm suing
t5 stack when
@@EpicNicks Probably in a few hours, I recommend you wait for t6, it should come out before weekend. And if you're really really patient, then you can try out t7 beta on Sunday.
I knew it!
either you really sponsored it which is a 5head move or you didn't sponsor it but came here to throw this mini hand grenade which is a 5head move. Well played mr. Brrowne, well played.
i unironically hope web devs are ok
Taking a mental health day tomorrow
It's a common tech meme online. A bell curve graph with skill on the x-axis and frequency on the y. There is a retard on the left, a normal person center, and what looks like a depressed jedi master on the right. In this case it would be,
Left: "Vanilla JavaScript is the best" (doesn't know about frameworks)
Center: "React+Next is the best, it does xyz" (uses frameworks but has not *yet* seen hell)
Right: "Vanilla JavaScript is the best" (understands framework hell and has paid a visit)
they created their own mess by deciding to target web browsers instead of operating systems like a sane person would.
Most of us switched to some other discipline after a few years, so we're doing great!
we're just building job security
at first i thought was this an actual interview
but then i saw the channel name & realized it was an actual interview
I hate the fact that not only I've understood most of it, but that we've had good part of these conversations already.
Oh well, GTG rewrite everything in Rust I guess.
Well, if you do rewrite it in Rust using webassembly and Canvas, and use immediate mode rendering, not only you get 60 fps, you also get away from the insanity of all that thing, also, no javascript, which is a win. And you also get 60 fps, there no reason modern user interfaces for a simple App that could be an Excel sheet can't run at 60 fps.
The customer just wanted an Excel sheet, but as an app, all of that webdev crap is useless.
Why programmers can't program anymore...
@@monad_tcp immediate mode? Rip battery life
@@monad_tcpaccessibility 😂
I was literally sure that he was making shit up halfway through the video
HOW IS ALL OF THIS REAL?
I'd rather implement Undertale in Assembly than spend a single minute writing Javascript, I hate webdev so much
@@monad_tcp but do you get free hosting on cloudflare?
proud member of the t4 stack
lmao
Please can someone guide me how to setup t4 with app router
@@megamind452 Are you asking how to do that today, or how to do it by the end of the sprint? The libraries you'll want to use will be different by the end of the week, so choose wisely
Don't know if you noticed but you are S in
SATAN stack here :D
you use t4 instead of t4? whats wrong with you?
The most accurate part of this is that there is no discussion about code or actual development. It's all just configuration and management.
Development is the art of figuring out the balance between writing your own in-house code to do something that has been done a thousand times before and trying to configure someone else’s framework that was never meant to be used for your use case
"you know, years ago, wee would just set up a PHP and SQL in a LAMP stack on a $5 server with jjquery and our 5 users would be happy"
Those were the days 😢
I both understand but also don't understand how we've made this so much more complex.
i have rather unsettling memories of having trouble even with the LAMP stack, and reverting to some Apache + XML to run everything i needed for my page
You can still do that as long as you don't tell the architects. All you have to do is add a load balancer if you get too many users.
Well, turns out you can do pretty much that on steroids and be pretty happy. Just use latest PHP (which is getting pretty close to something like Python) and couple it with HTMX and you can get really far with mostly just old-school back-end ;)
@@Kalasklister1337I am actually doing this at my job, feels great and yet too suspiciously simple. Wouldn't choose anything else again!
@@Kalasklister1337 yep - my next contract will be building something from scratch and it looks like I'll just stay with PHP on the back end and HTMX ... number of fcks given from the investor / customers perspective will be around 0
I like how the JS devs are turning into unix sysops over beard time
well, they introduced so much crap into their browsers that they had second system syndrome and the Webbrowser just became a shitty operating system with a shit programming language used to create shitty software.
@@monad_tcpHoly C looks better for interactive console commands than JS
this comment doesn't have nearly the upvotes it deserves
@@monad_tcp this would be a banger tweet ngl
😂😂
I would pay money for merchandise featuring an image of the whiteboard by the end of this. Wisdom encapsulated.
...as long as it arrives before it becomes obsolete (next week)
@@alphamikeomega5728 How about a white t-shirt and washable marker pack instead? ... actually that is better documentation than some of those frameworks
just found some on redbubble idk
the star is the wrong side up
@@Fanaz10 maybe, maybe not.
This is exactly like that Krazam video except everything is technically accurate
except qwikiMarket which should be QwikCity :-/
4:07
OmegaStar is beyond all technicalities
What do you mean Krazam isn't just accurate it's exactly how it went on one of my jobs.
@@FathDaniel he means that krazam made up words of services/tools, but these tools are real.
Am I forever damned for understanding all he said and demonstrated... The chaos is real
So, nothing of this was made up? I thought things like "quikiMarket" were just pop culture references
@@Puschit1 Yes, there are bits of nonsense they also insert, like jjquery
@@asimplenameichose151 Clever :)
@@Puschit1to be fair, qwikimarket sounds more logical than actual name for qwik’s meta-framework “qwik city”
And the point author is making (about oversaturated “popular framework” landscape) remains the same
@@Puschit1 like 99% of it, and it's crazy how much it changes. The names on the board for example 2 years before woudn't even make sense or woudn't exist
"It works with anything! (if you write an adapter)" lolz
"I appreciate the input; anyone else?"- scrum master
The CEO has mandated that the company rewrite everything in rust because everyone else is doing it - your manager
I think Boeing may have been using scrum and agile too much...
@@DR_1_1 Crack as well.
Lmaooooooo
as a backend developer , dealing with legacy java code every day , now i feel like my life is more easy
Depends if it's legacy code or bad code :) but yeah... stable meant something else back then, now it feels as if a mob of hipsters has buried that idea alive and stable means '1 year of support'
IRL, working in JS isn't like this, you just learn to ignore all the hype cycles. It's really only juniors and Twitter tech influencers who actually care about frameworks that came out a month ago. For example, I just built out a new template for full-stack microservices, and everything in there has been around for at least 10 years (except the frontend compiler, which is about 4 years old).
@@zacangergotta agree with ignoring the hype cycles, not just of JS, but pretty much everything.
As a student currently taking a JAvA course, after 9 years of JS work. I would not be inclined to agree with you. lol
As a recent grad that's been bait-and-switched into doing business intelligence/data stuff instead of front-end dev. I feel like I've somehow missed a bullet in that regard.
"we have an entire abandoned office building" SOMEONE I WORK WITH actually included this argument for on-preming something recently and I got so angry I saw new colors
"Don't write this down, all of this is gonna change." 😂🤣😂⚰
Yay! Finally got SATAN Stack in 2024.
Gilfoyle approves
looks more like miniature headwear stack to me... oh wait... same thing.
as a non developer JS looks like a bunch of people coming up with planning solutions in various ways and then all ending up concluding that crossing the street on foot is easier than anything they could come up with 🤣🤣
IT universe summarized
the Javascript world is just insanity
oh no. JS is just a bunch a people coming up with the idea that the best way to cross a street would be waving your arms as if they were wings. And then seeing that's not possible, but coming up with a gazillions ways to make it look like you are.
If you'd suggest to cross the street on foot, the answer would be "silence!" just like in the video lol in the end they conclude to walk 15km around town and to get to the other side without ever needing to cross this street here (that would take just
@segueoyuri I mean, as long as the company is properly paying the devs, we will even make a whole new city in this side of the street so we don't have to cross it.
@@vpaul4374 I'm not talking about project tasks, I'm talking about the overcomplication of simple tasks or needs for the sake of overcomplication (in case reading is hard)
Sometimes your client just need to cross the street, on foot. Don't bill him the construction of a whole freaking city :) usually if your code is not boring, it's wrong
"2024 is the year of serverlesslessness" let's go htmx!
Every year is:
- the year of serverless
- the year C++ dies
- the year VR will take over the gaming market
- the year England will win the world cup
- the year you'll finally give up that thing you're addicted to
The only three things you need for VR are 1.) a mini-elliptical connected to your computer so you can move, 2.) Haptic/touch feedback controller 3.) VR with fovea rendering
@@AlexRodriguez-gb9ez All England need to do to win the world cup is to score higher than the other teams.
"What is V8?"
"Exactly!"
🤣🤣🤣
Now give us the one about Kubernetes... bonus points if you have an actual orchestra while talking about orchestration.
Sadly knew too much of this. I went to tamagui out of curiosity and their "how to build a button" page is a 15 minute read. Can we stop this already?
At that point Im legit using full vanilla everything and producing a better one
ehh, just use and get on with it lel
@@andersonentwistle yeah I do the same. Vanilla is tiny too.
I gave up with TWCSS, it's beyond a joke.
@@andersonentwistle when you are done with your vanilla rewrite make sure to release it as a competing library
The pentagram was a nice touch
Please do one of a SR js dev that.
1. writes almost everything from scratch.
2. Uses JS in every backend.
3. Has PTSD about major version changes for react/angular.
Major? I have ptsd about minor changes of ANY package, so I lock my versions entirely, without «^»
Bro I thought Vue was bad since every 3rd party package had to do a from-scratch rewrite after v3. It took years just for them to catch back up, years of wasted time that could have been spent on innovation. I am simultaneously relieved and horrified to hear it's not just Vue...
And yes I have PTSD from that "upgrade year".
I have zero PTSD from major React upgrades because I can just read whatever's in react-codemod and adapt that. Angular though, it's easier just to rewrite every few years than try to upgrade
@@jerrygreenest nvm use && pnpm install -shamefully-hoist. 247 critical vulnerabilities found. “Seems reasonable. Surely someone will fix that once lifecycle management gets sorted” - posted by: Senior Frontend Dev, 4 years ago
@@zacanger Why not just use ClojureScript, s-expressions make it easier to make a custom compiler with quasi-quoting to convert code from one version to the next
I'm stunned by amout on work you done in this (and not gone crazy themselfs) :D
-but couldn't drizzle just...
-Silence
🤣🤣
This was a tech refresh planning video. JS/TS has reinvented how to safely roll a tricycle down a bowling alley with bumper rails over and over again.
It's the desire to understand something esoteric. Once it becomes mainstream it's time to remake it.
@@mal798 In this industry there's definitely the ego need to write the most convoluted code possible just to look at it and feel smart hahahaha If one day I get to boss I'll fire every single person that writes that sort of bs
“We might as well rewrite straight to rust. Good idea”…
“I didn’t say anything”
Accurate
the desperate face on "... if you know how to write an adapter" is too real
“renamed to nativewind once it started working” 😭😭
More than 30 years ago I was tempted to move towards info sys / business system software development. So glad I stayed in the hard, underpaid world of real time embedded. So much less tool chain chaos and nonsense.
Same but enjoying peaceful well-paid life as a low-latency/high-throughput multi-threaded Linux C++ developer in financial services. I just write the code, test it, deploy it and run it. What a bliss when everything simply works. 😊
it really depends on the job. any business worth their salt wouldn't keep changing out the tools. embedded on the other seems a bit monotonous
Genius! I have watched every video on your channel at least 20 times.
“Don’t write this down, next week all is gonna change” so true 😂
remember the old days when only the most proven/mature technologies would be employed in production! Yeah now it like, oh look it shiny!
Well yea in those days the only companies doing anything in software were absolute giants and nobodies. Now there's a middle ground, and there are lots of competitive edges to be gained in the weeds of this stuff.
@@BusinessWolf1excuses
Just found your channel, very funny, subscribed!
2024 is the year of server-ful linux desktop🎉
Make it make it happen.
"We push on save." This is the WAY! 🙇
That's so old-school, we push on screen refresh. If you're not deploying thousands of times per minute are you even doing cloudgitops?
Initial reaction: severe Krazam microservices vibes.
Obviously. Camera, acting, music, etc.
The Jack Borrough x Kai Lenit crossover episode!
That is so good. Theo mentioned !!!
Super credible because of the focus dropping cuts.
Lurve the action music.
new PAAH video, today is a good day. I missed these style videos
hilarious how accurate this actually is 😂
"Which works with any ORM or database!"
"...If you know how to write the adapter."
LMFAO
Holy crap, I didn’t expect that at all. That’s my mind 6 months ago when I started my project in T4. This feels personal dude
Briliant! :D I second your advide at the end.
This is both, the worst nightmare I ever had AND the best dream of my life. Depending on whether I was the teacher or the student in my dream.
I'm mildly terrified by how much of this I actually understood.
Might as well be a documentary.
Ok this video is spot on. Literal senior JS developer bootcamp. The opening statement is pretty much on the money, and it's funny to see a lot of similar arguments to the ones I've had to make (also hono is great, and TIL tamagui exists, looks like a React native equivalent to Nuxt UI, cool beans)
Everything's simple as long as you follow the N^N-step library selection flowchart and try and imagine business requirements from 3 years in the future. Very agile! Very prototype friendly! So scalable! /s
(I still love the ecosystem and you can get cool stuff done fast but if anyone tells you that JS is faster for prototypes than "compiled languages", nah man it's all the same as soon as you hit a smidgeon of complexity, trust me just read the docs for spring boot and Kotlin or ASP and C# and you'll soon be just as happy... although TBH I miss the relative simplicity of package.json + vite)
The most real depiction of the js landscape 😂
this is so unbelievable accurate :D
This is the format I love!
you absolutely nailed it, gj
only about 1 out of 50 people will get this, great stuff man!! You are a one man sub-genre! more about c++
That's what's so great about his skits - I only understand about 10% of it but it's hilarious anyway, especially knowing that all of this is not as gibberish as it sounds. The parts I DO understand are always spot on, so I assume everything else is, too.
I'm a seasoned C++ developer and even advanced template metaprogramming sounds like a walk in the park compared to the utter dependency hell of JS web development. I admit I understood practically nothing in the video, probably because I became a programmer in 1987 when computers were very simple.
Oh I am actually a senior dev. Thanks for showing XD. Also so much of it is true that it's upsetting
that's the point, I think.
First, laugh.
Then whine and despair.
@@yxyk-fr Well that happened I am currently questioning my life choices
@@yxyk-fr ... or continue laughing if you're not a Senior JS developer
@@volchonokilliRI'm laughing hard especially, because I was js dev 5 years, but now half year working with simple yet powerful golang. So I laughed happily 🤣
@@volchonokilliR the problem of laughing is that it's only copium to dull our hurt feelings, and the copium's effect wears of quickly, revealing the dark and nauseating reality.
Yes web dev is f***** up 😛
OK back to my C-POSIX-sockets monothreaded HTTP server.
that's the content that I love , Please More.
I actually learnt about the T4 stack through this video !
I feel so sorry for JS devs… but then again they love it.
To some degrees, they are even responsible for it.
Javascript.
@@kakwa @kakwa THEY HAVE MAID THEIR GRAVE AND NOW HAVE TO LAY IN IT 💀
Most just ignore it tbh. Like in any speciality, the newest stuff is basically just the domain of Twitter influencers.
@@zacanger Fact.
even missing most of the jokes this shit is still funny.
"push on save" got me
I am glad it has subtitles, to ensure that I have no clue
Also "The documentation hasn't been started yet".
That makes me rethink my life decisions knowing more than half of what he was talking about.
2:37 SILENCE!!
Can’t wait to learn JavaScript!
We push on save 😂😂😂
He chose death when he asked about Kubernetes 😂
Coming from Theo's stream 😂 absolutely amazing video
Cool interview!
as someone who just sticks to c#, sometimes I think about learning some JS/web stuff, then that one clip from Monty Python and the Holy Grail plays in my head, about Camelot. "On Second thought let's not learn Javascript, it is a silly language..."
It's a fine language, now that we have TC39 to save it from the browser vendors. It's just the ecosystem that's a little silly sometimes.
language is just typescript, which is basically the same as c#, unless you wanna do some real fancy stuffs. but that's more for the realm of framework developers.
I love typescript just as much as I love C#.
Worked as js dev 5years and now I'm happy golang dev 😊 happy that escape 😂
C++ seniors are the bearded ones. JS seniors use mustaches. Nothing escapes me.
This is your best video ever!
Fffffffff....I was actually waiting on the advice at the end 😂😂😂
Same 😢
I really wanted to enjoy this video but it was so realistic I went temporarily insane with rage
Couldn't wait for a new video from you!
i knew the last "performance" would come 😮😂
'We push on save' needs to be a decal/sticker/tshirt.
this was awesome
Sitting here watching this while building a React component in JS
React is obsolete, now you have to rewrite in Svelte. Oh wait that's obsolete now, time for another rewrite in Hyperscript. Oh wait...
@@zacanger I felt so betrayed when JavaScript became a server side language, it was always super crappy on the front end. Then Novonox paid me to port the Netscape JavaScript server engine and I was more than happy to be paid to be the one porting javascript to the backend. In the end all the righteous claims about languages and purity fade into noise when someone is paying you to do it.
type safe styling is something years before we could not even imagine.
we are approaching front end singularity
This is ART!!! 😂😂😂😂
can't find free cloudflare runtime edge worker < 1mb? Free plan has a limit right. 100k worker seconds?
THEO MENTIONED LETS GOOO
Go where?
wowww new documentary
You forgot t3-turbo, the t4 is still on pages router and i think is an abandoned project probably.