The commercial gym problem | Ask Rip #41
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- Mark Rippetoe and Starting Strength Seminar Staff Coaches answer questions from seminar participants about supplements, training people who are in pain, awesome lifters from the 80s and why commercial gyms haven't embraced Starting Strength.
Filmed at WFAC in December 2016.
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"It teaches them that they can hurt... and still move." That has been THE most important lesson as an SS noob with years of non-specific low-back pain. Pushing past fear of getting hurt has been the hardest part of being a novice, and my back already feels 98% better as I've worked on technique and slowly added 70lbs to my squat. They're both curmudgeons for sure, but I'm grateful to Rip & Sully's books and attitudes for the push.
I went to a bone doc about ten years ago and he told me my spine was a mess (played hockey my entire life), a couple years ago started deadlifting seriously, got up to 409 (at 57 years old), and am maintaining, my back has never felt stronger, my golf game has improved, my attitude, my hockey is even getting better again. Nothing in the world beats strength training. ( I have been a gym guy since 18 tho, almost 40 years, so I'm not a stranger to exercise. IT breaks my heart to see guys my age looking like broken down grandpas, and thinking life is already over. It's well documented now that the best antidote to aging is strength training
Craig Crawford specifically, deadlifting re-rights the spine
i'm about your age-and been using the gym for about 30yrs.suffer from arthritis and was a bit worried that squats and deads will make it worse-but its having the oppsite effect.joints seem to thrive on exercise.my lifts are actually increasing-which surprised me
Absolutely! I have suffered for years with sciatica, which is painful. You can’t sit, stand, walk or lie down without pain. You know what fixed it? Romanian deadlifts, three times a week. Magic!
title question @17:30
Daniel Jones
You're my hero!
My man
Thanks , mark rip takes forever to get to his point
Timestamps.....gotta love them.
I have pain during warmup often - but when I start benching heavy my pain goes away... preach Mark
This dude really said, "half of you are gonna leave this seminar,go home and never do this stuff again." I'm dying.
That holds true for pretty much all seminars, no matter what the subject.
Yup, sounds about right.
As a first aid instructor one of the first things I tell my students is that in about two weeks they'll forget 80% of what they learned in the class, so it's better to just focus on the most important things. You probably won't remember the different ways to tie a sling for each injury, but you better know how to do CPR
In the same vein, as a trainer you might not remember the minutiae of programming intermediate and elite athletes, but you better know how to teach a proper squat
I find it humorous that the ad before this video was all about only needing bodyweight exercises to get strong...
Cameron Walls ads are selected by videos you watch. so that's you're fault
I understand how the algorithm works, I just found it funny.
Yeah. It's TRUE. But damn is that fucking hard to do. And the progress is soooooo slow. And you won't even get very strong. Just strong.
I used to work at LA fitness. All they care about is membership sales or training sales. Same with muv, crunch, golds, 24 hr fitness, chuze, planet fitness, fitness center.
blasphemous
@@MithrandirRS If you can lift it comfortably it's not enough weight
$900 to have Rip tell me my squat is crap and here's how to do it correctly? Sounds like a good deal to me.
plus with the money loss you can have a successful weight loss
Hell I'd pay that to go to one of his seminars!
***** To whom is your comment?
Byron, no, having a Starting Strength (SS) coach tell you how to fix you squat costs between $150 and $225 depending on the coach (see specific training camps), the seminar is much more extensive than that. The seminar is for people who want to (or think they want to) become a SS coach. Considering the combined knowledge and experience offered in both coaching and lecture at a SS seminar, $900 is probably cheap.
Yep, I still think it is a good deal. I want to know more than just how to do lifts the right way. Knowing the mechanics and the nutrition to go along with it is a bonus.
Rip is funny as hell man 😂😂😂
When i started going to my trainer i had issues with my left shoulder and lots of back pain. His primary business is physical therapy. He way to fix my problems was strength training! Got me hooked on it and i have better mobility and less pain than ever.
Mark is a genius and funny and scary , i just love him
best statement on backpain and lower back tweak during squatting
So true. 43, herniated and degenerative this that and the other from sitting on my arse at a desk for my life. Started training with the bar bell after pinching a nerve and having an MRI that diagnosed all the degenerative this that and the others and guess what. My beck feels no pain at all. It never feels bettter than after squating and going through the various movments associated with working with the bar bell....... I am still weak though lol but working in that!
15:47 Priceless!
17:29 what you came for
Commercial gyms most of the time don't even have a damn squat rack!
so you keep looking till you find one that has
@@SueRosalie
Or you get your own gym.
@@realityandnaturepill yes. Love my garage gym. Significantly better gear than anything a globo gym will have.
Build yourself a nice home gym for a few grand. It’s perfect! Right in your own home.
@@gregshock except here in europe (france in my case), having a few grand in the bank to build a home gym isn't as simple as it is in america (lower wages overall)
plus, in america you have huge houses (due to building cities pretty much in the middle of nowhere and having cheap land, also because houses are built out of plywood and not concrete), which allows you to have a huge garage in which to build a gym in (or even a fitness room)
so really, "just build a home gym bro!" isn't as easy as it sounds
I loved the comment about physio's. Ones doing rehab push their clients and do great things, but I had a shoulder injury and got sent to a physio and she was rubbish! Weekly sessions for 6 months didn't help at all until I saw a sports therapist who watched me perform a few lifts and told me I wasn't controlling by shoulder blade correctly and how to fix it. 10mins to fix what the physio couldn't in 6 months.
Where can I get that shirt
So I had a nasty back spasm 4 days ago (still numb below waist and sore as fuck) from squatting, as soon as I'm pain free do I get back under the bar? I've had a 12mm herniation in my L5/S1 that's resolved itself(apparently that means it's easier to make my back spasm), gym owner says it's because I didn't brace hard enough, does that sound about right to you?
I've seen "functional fitness" areas (aka Crossfit) make their way into commercial gyms, for better or worse. Why couldn't the same be done for a starting strength barbell model of training? I would think SS would have more appeal because it actually works. Also, did crossfit narrowcast initially? Because its casting is annoyingly broad nowadays.
David Rusinak I think its the marketed lifestyle and team atmosphere thing that draws people in, with more of a focus on muscular endurance/cardio than strength (with which people have all kinds of weird associations, meatheads etc)
I understand how Mark said that it's a noble idea. if we can get people past the stage where they get over how hard it is and get them to want to stick out a lifestyle of learning to use barbells, not drinking on the weekends, feeling insecure and pride beaten, finding a gym that lets you do it properly (most gyms are quiet as fucking libraries now), risking injury and surgery, feeling beat up as fuck on a daily basis while having to go to work and raise families, fatigued to the max, hungry, having to eat 5-6 times per day, spending the $$$ to eat 5/6 times per day, and so many other things that you MUST do to properly strength train, then we are onto something.
but if you strength train seriously, it is to the gym with you, butterflies in your belly because you will get tested seriously every day. you gotta change how you eat. your clothes will not fit one way or the other...it's time consuming to learn and more time consuming the more you learn. people just want to be seen in thier new gym gear, check out the opposite sex, cross it off a list or join for a second at new year's or a birthday, and think, 'well, i tried."
I think that there should be a new model. fuck the model that tries to get the corporate big shots to get on board. they don't care, nor do they even understand what is happening at this seminar. We need a ramped up plan that brings the realities of strength training to people en mass. Try to snag as many that are on the fence with the truth, and teach them how to not continue to being dead in the water. I think that that is happening more. just gonna take about 10 generations of lifters and strength enthusiasts to get that 5% of the people to turn to 10%
Lawrence Malcheff Force Production Powerlifting Something snapped in me this year, now I want to see how big of a freak i can be.
The thing is, the SS business model doesn't play into the widely held misconceptions.
Have you ever done CrossFit? Would you not agree strength without stamina is worthless? What good is it if you can squat 600 but get out of breath and sweat to death when just walking.
Mark Rippetoe has nothing on the legend that is Jason Blaha who is the greatest powerlifter of all times
what's an individual with genetic endowment got to do with a strength training method that is guaranteed to get any novice at any age stronger than they thought possible
@@SueRosalie Look Jason Blaha up 😂
He's known locally as "The Monster of the Twilight".
Goodlife in Canada also likes to push personal training on top of selling memberships. They charge a lot for personal training.
At least their business model is not based on keeping their members out of the gym. It's still far from the SS business model and their members won't have any progress with Personal Trainers who don't know how to train themselves.
I'm not in any way super smart or anything, and my attention span is not as long as it probably should be, but damn am I grateful that I have my head screwed on right enough, to be amongst the few who actually get this.
1972, in a 'Fruit of the Loom' undershirt, Big Jim Williams benched an official 675, (& 700 just short of lock-out). There's certainly no reason to doubt his 711 in training. When the IPF was formed, his record was ignored. Williams' raw record remained for ***24 years*** , until James Henderson's 705 in 1996.(Henderson's 1997 711 is ***still *** the best raw & drug-tested bench.)
Just want to say hi to all the people that still haven't figured out Starting Strength isn't a weight loss program or a body building program.
Aaron Cook it's an Olympic lifting program, a very exclusive sport. Not for the general public.
Alexander Cobabe It's Powerlifting, not olympic weightlifting
It's general strength training. Simple
I lost a bunch of weight doing SS, if you do it properly, I.e. eating properly, there is no way you won't lose weight. Granted I was obese, nevertheless I lost weight and gained strength at the same time.
@@alexandercobabe9062 it's not an Olympic lifting program and it's not a power lifting program. It's a strength training program
The way Rip put 225 on the bar was to take a shot of bourbon first.
farmers walk with trap bar and then dumbs or kettles is amazing shit
I understand that a lot of people don't want to (or can't) train strength, so they go to commercial gyms to fuck around. Fair. But the true problem is that a lot of cities (like mine) have no single proper place to train strength --there are ONLY commercial gyms, with just one rack for three hundred clients. Luckily though, most of the time it's empty despite gym being crowded.
the one at my gym is always occupied....usually with people doing EVERYTHING other than squats....
Where can I read about muscle-fat gains ?
Cause a coach told me that it is possible to gain muscle only with ketogenic diet .
yea... u need a new coach
I am way ahead of you :D
6:54 second line from the bottom on the white board
haha ass strength
I don't agree with the comment about physical therapy (10:32) that it's just a way to bill insurance. I had significant issues with my neck 5 years ago and my physical therapist has helped me so much since then. She also gave me confidence to join a gym 2 years ago, and my quality of life has improved so much since having a regular workout routine. I am sure there are a lot of bad PT's out there, but I have had lots of success with PT.
What qualifies as a high quality protein, other than the company saying it is?
Isolate if it is some powder. But you are better off eating meat.
Here's a link to a video breaking this down: czcams.com/video/QffLlKPk4iA/video.html
Around 3:20 into that video he talks about types of protein powder.
That’s a fucking great shirt!
Hahaha Rippetoe’s shirt: DOU (pic of CHE Guevara) BAG
I need that shirt.
22:50
Man I really want a DOUCheBAG shirt now
WHERE DO I GET THE DOUCHE BAG SHIRT THAT RIP IS WEARING?
PLEASE
THANK YOU
alan sapirstein Have you tried the Internet?
You'll probably find you agree with a lot of Dr McGill's thoughts, and he with yours.
LOVE that T shirt!
Hey Rip. You are quite rotund. Am I on comments from the haters now?
18:30
im new, was is the overweight p.e teacher talking about fitness?
13:19
Highly amusing and true. Also glad to know Rip knows his politics too.
Guy next to riiiippppp said he deadlifts over 700??? Damn
Yes, he does. instagram.com/p/Bum6twLAoq_/
Reframe question about feeling pain and going to a physical therapist, most people will just pop a pill.
i'm hungry now. gotta get strong. put on some body fat, y'know?
That damn shirt 🤣🤣🤣
The question about a client with back pain completely went over mark’s head. Everyone there understand that everyone has back pain, he asked how do you communicate that in a way to your client with being an ass, was his question.
I think it is kind of a ridiculous hot-take that Starting Strength is incompatible with the majority of gym goers and commercial gyms. I understand it may not fit the business model of those gyms, but it my help retention of memberships and make returns on investment.
If you just look at strength CZcams there are many channels with millions of views on how to do basic lifts, how to program, and more. People want to improve themselves. That is the basic reason people buy gym memberships.
I think this is the reason why channels that BROADcast (lol) similar information (Alan Thrall, Eric Helms, Omarlsuf etc.) in more condensed forms are more successful on this platform.
They don't want to teach barbells, they had that for years in original gyms and corporate gyms got rid of that. They don't want to pay coaches who know what they are doing, and don't want to be competent and their job that is not how corporate world works. They don't make money making you better efficiently they make it by doing just enough for as little money as possible.
how much does Mark say enough protein is?
From what the guy said 125% grams of your bodyweight in pounds. I callo bs, but whatever.
+Uncle Slam why do you call bs on that?
Monna7777777 It's excessive. Even the common broscience is a gram per pound of bodyweight, which is more sensible.
The real number (that got inflated over the years) is 1 gram of Protein per 1 KG of LEAN bodyweight. so that means 1gram per 2.2 pounds of bodyweight minus fat weight. 200 pound person with 10 percent body fat need around 90-100 grams of protein.
+joshua2585 but why are mark rippeto, omar, alan trhall, marksmellybell, styrkelabbet and many others saying that it shuld be 1.6-2g/kg bodyweight then? How do you know it´s not that? how strong are you? do you have any proof?
correction: the vast majority of the (US) population is stupid there was a race between trump and clinton
250 mg of protein a day
goddam 900 dollars
And I just got about $600 for free! haha
These poor people probably paid a lot of money to have these guys give smart ass answers.
They paid to get coaching not do a q&a lol
@@LTPottenger but they decided to do a q&a...lol
The title of the video is literally “Ask Rip”
@@bigdawg9237 So what? That is just one small part. I would be pissed to sit through it while people asked idiotic questions they can gtfo and I am glad they don't put up with that bullshit.
@@LTPottenger starting strength is literally a platform for beginner lifters. Quit acting like a tough guy because your infatuation for Rip.
I am a PT and I can’t agree with RIPP more and along with the majority of other medical disciplines. It’s all about 💴.
Back hurts, keeping going drive through till your broken. Sounds great idea!
In all fairness pain is a part of the game in lifting.
When you gain weight you can both fat and lean mass? Thats not true you can easily loose fat while gaining lean mass if you eat enough protein and have sufficient bodyfat (won't work if too low on fat)
Duemkush710 literally the only way to lose fat without losing muscle is via steroids. It's just a fact of life man
No, this is a myth. See e.g. Greg Nuckols videos (or website, strengtheory).
You usually lose 25% lean mass when dieting. You can lose 10% while fasting but most people are too puss for that
Commercial gyms are ALWAYS about the sale. It is bullshit.
Don't like how he just interrupts people
More Rip, less of the other clowns.
this man needs a thrown
You don’t need 250 grams of protein lol. Not at all
Well that dude was 200 pounds
RIP blue voters lmao
Hillary won the popular vote 😂😂😂
Rip knows about strength training. He knows shit about heath nutrition longevity or anything else worthwhile .uk
Ken Carey Getting brutally strong and longevity aren't exactly two peas in a pod.
Calorie restriction and fasting are keys to longevity, how the fuck is one going to have cake and eat it as well?
Thats why he surrounds himself with the people you see answering the questions. The guy to his left is an MD or phd and does all of his nutrition stuff.
@@SiegePerilousEsauMaltomite Exactly.
And you do? These subjects are just communist nonsense and corporate sponsorship. Listening to the mainstream will not help you at all.
How much money did these people pay for this seminar? To me it looks like they are pushing a franchise gym businesses.
8:10 An arrogant weight training coach who doesnt know that track racing cyclists spend most of their time in the gym. Its a bad sign if an "expert" coach does not know or care about other sports.
There is nothing wrong with being "old school" but a lot has changed since straight leg sit ups.
uhhh...when does anyone say anything about bicycles? I think you missed the pun, friend.
you mean "sports"
lmao that guy asked if they do farmers walks and they all said no, no wonder none of them look like they lift, they don't do any accessories
IIRC, Dr. Baraki squats 600 lbs (only belt+sleeves) at 195+/- BW . . . the guy on Rip's left.
Mike Basic he also has a 650+ deadlift and is now the coach of Alan thrall
Paulie Walnuts and what your lifts like pictureless person, because all these guys have 1500 pound totals lol
Paulie Walnuts o and rip is over 60 and still deadlifts over 500 pounds lol
Novices don't need accessories. What's the point in doing a farmers carry if you can't even deadlift 315. Once people become intermediate lifters, and have a strong foundation it's beneficial to do supplementary exercises and accessories, for strength, size and health. But if you're weak, you're only going to be able to famer's carry something that weighs like a couple of bags of groceries, which is a waste of time. You need some baseline strength before you can get any use out of other movements.
sure he has lifting knowledge, but he is god damn annoying in a social context.
I like Rip but he really has no idea what he's talking about sometimes. E.g. propagating the myth that you always loose muscle in a cut at 7:50 ... this has been debunked (e.g. see Greg Nuckols)
its a scientific fact that with cutting you always lose a bit of both tissues, wether being fat or muscle there's always gonna be a loss in both. This Greg Nuckols probably don't know a lot tbh
Petter Do you know who Greg Nuckols is? He was a world record in powerlifting and very clever guy. His website is well worth checking out his website, www.strongerbyscience.com
I've never seen him say you won't lose muscle on a cut, but you can't say he doesn't know much.
sorry but it is a scientific fact and you have misunderstood. When you gain weight, you gain some of all the types of body mass including bone, blood, gristle and all the other miscellaneous stuff as well as fat and the different types of muscle. Same again when you lose some weight. It is impossible not to, it's how physiology works. Have you not have body composition scans done yourself? Did not hear the important detail that you can tweak the proportions of those losses and gains somewhat. And that depends on your physical activity and your diet.
I wonder why Rip thinks people are stupid for voting for Hilary instead of Trump.
This is an honest question, please don't flame the shit out of me (not because it will sprain my ego or stomething stupid, just because it will get in the way of actual answers) and please don't reply with one-liner "because my point of view is obvious lol" comments, because I'm assuming you're not in the 3rd grade
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Oof, Rip as a Trump supporter. Not all that surprising, but that sucks.
95% of people who can bench more than 2pl8 are conservative.
Weakness leads to leftism.
just means he has a brain. Only an idiot wants to tear down the country even if that is of short term benefit to them it will not be in the long run. That is why the 3rd world is the 3rd world, the people are not smart and run the country poorly. If you do the same here it will be just as bad.
Lifters are 95% of the time not limp wristed low T liberals