How 50 years of mass incarceration devastated American society | The Chris Hedges Report
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- Fifty years ago, the United States embarked on a path of mass incarceration that has led to a staggering increase in the prison population. Today, almost 2 million individuals-disproportionately Black Americans-are incarcerated in our nation’s prisons and jails. The prison population has grown 500% since 1973, the year America began to sharply increase its prison population. “The social, moral, and fiscal costs associated with the large-scale, decades-long investment in mass imprisonment,” The Sentencing Project notes, “cannot be justified by any evidence of its effectiveness. Misguided changes in sentencing law and policy-not crime-account for the majority of the increase in correctional supervision.” The Sentencing Project and a coalition of advocates, experts, and partners are launching a public education campaign, “50 Years and a Wake Up: Ending The Mass Incarceration Crisis In America,” to raise awareness about the dire state of the US criminal legal system and the devastating impact of incarceration on communities and families, and to propose more effective crime prevention strategies for our country. Liz Komar, a former assistant district attorney in Brooklyn and now the sentencing reform counsel at The Sentencing Project, joins “The Chris Hedges Report” to discuss the monstrous realities of the US system of mass incarceration.
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Yes, prisons for profit, schools for profit, health care for profit. I think I detect a pattern, specifically the privitization of public services.
Well said. None of the above would be possible if we were educated on human rights & had the courage to demand they were respected.
Under the FDR administration such things will be considered as CRIMINAL AND ANTI-HUMAN RIGHTS that violates the Helsinki Accord created by the Nuremberg Court Of Law after WW II. The Helsinki Protocol, number 37 GURANTEES YOUR RIGHT TO LIFE! TO LIVE! TO LIVE ALSO IN THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF DECENT LIVING IN WORLD AND NOT JUST THE EVIL OLIGARCHS AND NOT JUST THE EVIL OLIGARCHIAL ELITES, NOT TO BE DEPRIVE OF LIFE IN ANY OTHER WAY! The Helsinki Protocol, number 37 also states that you cannot put any substance into a human without informed consent. This is against the human rights and against the Nuremberg Code.
Prisons for profit are practically SIMILAR TO THE NAZIS FORCED LABOR DEATH CAMPS. Nothing more and nothing less. Under the FDR presidency, all of these prisons for profit, schools for profit, health care for profit and what-have-you are BANNED UNDER THE Helsinki Protocol, number 37 GURANTEES YOUR RIGHT TO LIFE! TO LIVE! TO LIVE ALSO IN THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF DECENT LIVING IN WORLD AND NOT JUST THE EVIL OLIGARCHS AND NOT JUST THE EVIL OLIGARCHIAL ELITES, NOT TO BE DEPRIVE OF LIFE IN ANY OTHER WAY! The Helsinki Protocol, number 37 also states that you cannot put any substance into a human without informed consent. This is against the human rights and against the Nuremberg Code.
@@richarddebono7092 The Nuremberg Military Tribunal's decision in the case of the United States v Karl Brandt et al. includes what is now called the Nuremberg Code, a ten point statement delimiting permissible medical experimentation on human subjects.
The Nuremberg Code is a set of ethical research principles for human experimentation created by the court in U.S. v Brandt, one of the Subsequent Nuremberg trials that were held after the Second World War.
Under the Nuremberg Code, today all American Police stands accuse and guilty of violating the Nuremberg Code and of violating the Helsinki Protocol, number 37.
The punishment is military imprisonment FOR LIFE!
@@richarddebono7092I disagree with you about courage. We have plenty of courage. Peaceful protesters are beaten, gassed and jailed, while being accused of the violence which they themselves experience. That takes plenty of courage.
People do many courageous things. But the deck is stacked. I try to stand with the people involved in evening out the game.
Chris Hedges is an extraordinary person.
You're not going to change criminal laws when the criminals are the ones in control
I hope you mean Americas ruling classes too in that?
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So what you gonna do about it? Or is that your kids problem now (and rinse, and repeat in another 30 years.....).
Yes, just look at Arkansas. All of the politicians kids are criminals running the streets free.
It's not about "corrections" or "penitence," it's about pettiness, vindictiveness, and, above all, profit. When a person is nothing more than a commodity, the only thing that matters is extracting wealth from that resource. It doesn't matter how. And for many people in the prison population, the system has probably figured that that particular human resource produces more profit from incarceration than in earning a wage in the "free" world.
Is it family values or families value?
Wow. Depressing and very informative at the same time. Liz Komar is very very impressive. She makes a great case to support her ideas. Well done to Liz, Chris and all concerned.
What a hideous, vicious society that we live in. This is about mean-spiritedness and incarceration profits. Anyone attempting to change that is a great soul.
There are people making decisions for many people who have NO KNOWLEDGE of what its like to be in anothers shoes, lifestyles or environment!
Thank you for covering such an immensely important topic that needs serious attention and overhaul. ALL our citizens deserve better. Our society deserves better. Always a pleasure to tune in to listen to you Chris Hedges, I always learn so much from your reporting and the integrity of your journalism 😎
There is a federal prison camp in Florence Colorado called the POT PRISON because in 1990 70% of the inmates were incarcerated for Marijuana I was one of them
So so SO sad, and unjustified!
If I think that Baba Ram Dass was high on an almost daily basis on LSD and was distributing it to his campus students through the late 1950s - early 1960s QUITE LEGALLY !!! Would he have become who he became had he been languishing in prison for decades due to LSD being illegal then?
No prizes for the right answer
Thanks for covering this Chris. I had a brush with the legal system, and they wanted so badly to put me in jail! I lost my house during that as well.
I managed to stay out of jail, but I was on probation and homeless. It worked out ok for me because after I'd lost all that it was easier to get the help I'd needed all along for what they now call CPTSD and "brain trauma". I've been on disability now for over 10 years. I've actually been living in the same apartment for almost 14 years now! I've never had this much stability before!
But, it was a hard way to pay for it. And every step I've taken since then I've been aware of how much worse it could have been.
In all sincerity I can say, "There, but for the grace of God go I."
#MedicareForAll
For all Children.
For all Mothers.
For us all, every one.
Bless you Chris, Well said and explained!
There are so many issues that are associated with the things brought out in this video that I feel like I could write a book for this comment, but I digress. Suffice it to say that all of the problems that have developed in our judicial/penal system are, in my opinion, grown out of a capitalistic economy that looks in every corner for another way to turn something into an opportunity for exploitation; and the business of incarceration with its captive indentured servantry is the perfect opportunity in myriad ways. As long as our focus is on profit, we’ll never be a just society.
That's not true.That is ONLY true, if the people who are IN CHARGE of your society, are corrupt and criminal people. There are a long line of people, dating back to the start of capitalism (not the sick twisted "version" you have now in the US), who were hard working and fair men and women. Just ... not the ones in charge of your country. Do you think that ANY of them have the slightest moral bone in their body? It is literally the biggest, blackest, most satanic criminal cartel on Earth.
"Capitalism" is not the problem. "EVIL PEOPLE RUNNING THE SHOW" are the problem. The theory is all there, it works out perfectly, same with communism .... if it's practiced correctly. But all you do, year after year, decade after decade, is elect the same puppet (out of the two on offer) who plays the same game and answers to the same people, and you expect things to change?
500 million guns in the USA, more than one per member of the population. But all I read is "mass shooting in Mall...." or "this latest school shooting is the WORST school shooting ....." (until the NEXT school shooting). Why not do something meaningful, with all those guns, huh?
Fix your system. Don't just complain about it. Before it's too late.
Any outside observer can see your system as needlessly barbaric. No other supposedly civilised country shackles prisoners as a matter of course nor uses solitary confinement, an internationally recognised form of torture, as normal for virtually no reason.
While there are people who need imprisonment this system we have is sick and depraved.
I have a friend, BA degree, never thought he would find himself in life w/o parole. I agree. He wz more than 100 miles away from crime; with witnesses. Since story is long; I will quit here. Thank you.
Mass incarceration is a scrouge on this nation
Sure, but Joe Brandon is also "a scourge on this nation", so what does THAT tell you ??? 😂😂
As far as the mandatory murder laws for everybody in a group, my best friend knows a fellow who got picked up while hitchhiking by a man who stopped at a store a few miles down the road “to get a pack of smokes”. A few minutes after they left, a gauntlet of cops appeared behind them and a chase ensued. Come to find out, the driver had actually robbed the store. The hitchhiker had no idea, and was begging the guy to stop. In the end, he was prosecuted as an accessory to the crime and sent to prison along with the perp, who he didn’t even know.
A last thought: NOTHING IS "MISGUIDED"! It is ALL "intentional"! 👎
This is THE most disheartening and depressing dialogue I've heard alongside the tragedy in Palestine of the last two months.
Period.
It is a real bizarre experience.
Like entrapment …over and over and over penalties all the way..
Insane system. But hey, if yo have FOR PROFIT prisons, the system is insane by default.
the police are often witnesses to and even participants in crimes committed by other officers yet, are minimally charged if at all and none of the ancillary officers are investigated
let alone charged. the offending officers are given paid leave until months later when the public is concerned with the ten next 'police misconduct events' and the offenders case
is quietly disposed of with little to no accountability... if the police, prosecutors and judges were held accountable for the hundreds of thousands of innocent people they have rail-
roaded into prison, the real criminals would be in jail and the innocent civilians would have a system we all could think well of!
Great interview…very informative. It’s easier to understand the US’s appalling treatment of people around the world when you see the level of inhumanity they visit on their fellow citizens. Making prison a profitable business for mega corporations and prosecuting the law to ensure it stays that way is appalling…and as pointed out here is really a proxy for Jim Crow and slavery. Respect and props to this woman who I assume could be making more money in a law firm.
Excellent points
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The rest of the world has gotten sick and tired of the U.S.'s bullying tactics. Due to technology, they have started to gain access to how devious and low down that many previously well thought of American leaders actually have been.
' Plea Bargaining ' 40:17 is ALL The Prosecuters , want to Coerce You Into, and path of Least Resistance for Public Defender Lawyers ! Even When you are Not Guilty, of any Primary LawBreaking !
Could that have been when the Prison Ststem in the USA was PRIVATIZED? Just Asking
Capitalism has commodified human life, it’s just another business. We can’t move beyond these problems without overthrowing this cruel system
You mispelled Corporatism.
Nah, they spelled capitalism correctly, read theory
@@jaydinledford6990 Read the law.
$20 💰 a month average wage ?????
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A question from abroad... Do parolees have to pay parole fees? Last I remember (from about 10 years ago), parolees had to pay their parole officers a monthly fee. Also, if the parolee wears a monitor, they must also pay a rental fee for it each month. Is this still true?
I never realized this myself. Yes, I checked. Fees for various services/requirements of parole are borne by the parolee. These can include drug testing, employment training, evaluations etc. The officer is typically paid monthly. I would imagine that an ankle monitor or similar device is charged as well.
@@waltdill927Thanks for checking. And, I suppose, for confirming; I'd have rather heard that it wasn't so. It's a tragedy that a single infraction can lead to a lifetime of punishment; it's not even humane. And it proves that US words and US deeds are hardly acquaintances, even within its own borders.
More and more, I'm reminded of works by Victor Hugo, Charles Dickens and the like, whose prose lay out the penury and punishments of their times. How odd that 21st Century America should more closely resemble 19th Century France than the 'city on a hill' the country proclaims itself to be. Cheers!
Hi Bro 🖐️ 500% WTF thanks Chris 🙏
Again you are discussing a matter that neefs discusdion, change and fair and good resolutions.
Lobbyists often create evil or bad results. I wish you and those you associate with good results. More helping people propeljy is needed
Thanks 🙏 for this young lady who is talking the truth about our nation is facing the challenging times ahead of us.
Who makes the money on these privatized prisons? I need a list.
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Plea Bargains are accepted because of the corruption in the Local Law Enforcement an Justice System players, aa the defendant is getting no valid defense or actions from the publuc defenders, the DA has wrongfully chose to prosecute obvious cases that lack valid evidence and or acts by the defendant, and charge them with more severe charges that do not fit the actions or harm if any by the defendant, and judges also ignoring and or conspiring in this serious practice, so the defendants being threatened with maximum penalties and prison time for crimes they were innocent of as the charges do not apply to what ever they may have done, thus under duress they surrender to the extortion and tbe damage upon their lives, knowing they would not have valid defense council and no due process and would most likely be sentanced with the maximum penalties.
Also it is not a racial issue as it is happening to all ethinic groups and all sexes and ages!
Qualified and successful criminal defense attorneys plead out to avoid the unpredictability of the jury trial. Who in the system would object to any of the nonsense from the hand that feeds them. None of them.
Hell I couldn't even deal with being locked in a small space for hours and hours every day, let alone all these other issues.
Thank you for the excellent video and reporting about this very important issue. The work is much appreciated and hopefully will be productive in going towards and supporting the building of a much better more just world. Inshallah. May Allah Most High bless. May Allah support (monetarily in this world and life).
Good looking book I saw that it appears to me and what through all that I know and have seen/heard/read, it looks very good and I support what the authors detail in it...I've yet to read it or start reading it yet, alas here it is: The Smart Society's Guide on How to Fight Crime, Reduce Recidivism, and Close Jails & Prisons: 10 Things American Society Can Do to Decrease Crime and ... (of Crime & Recidivism in America Series) Authors: Richard Bovan, Demico Boothe
Highlighting that Germany “allows” people to work while be incarcerated, and the excitement behind the idea, showcases how wage slavery works.
I knew day to day living was expensive , I had no idea it cost money living day to day in prison !!!
Would have been nice if the “incredible work” that people are doing was talked about more than the grim reality that everyone already knows about, especially the victims and their families. What we gon’ do?
I imagine false arrests, midemeanors and victims are a large percentage of imprisioned people; probably as high as the amount of unchecked felony crimes against the people by those who get sweatheart deals to stay free.
And while the misdemeanors are "canned" one way or the other, the unknown felons prosper too.
#JBTP 🐽
For Profit Jail System
Carceral State
Ruined generations and families
Only 13 min in and think we need to focus more on the Prison for Profit Model. This began with deregulation in the 80's and has more to do with "criminalization of citizens" rather than the citizens themselves. I am 63 yrs young and grew up in rural Montana. My mother's maiden name is Sowerwine and her father graduated from Cornell. I have been labeled Felon Two times since 2010 and did 1 year in MT Women's Prison. Women from the entire country... Montana is not historically high crime but presently law enforcement is the #1 Employer in the State? I have never done Anyone physical harm and have never caused one cent in damage. It's a business and business is booming. I can tell you all about Human Rights Violations of an egregious nature being inflicted upon the imprisioned. It is much worse than you are aware. DOC's Nation wide are above the law.
Never learned from Canada and to build a decent society.
The stupid and cruel, War on Civil Righ… err, “Drugs” is the worst thing that ever happened to our country.
So what’s with the green-lighted shop lifting?
Under common law you wouldn't have this mess It's simple but not easy when most of society hasn't a clue
My god! And 100 billion to a foreign country!
This is horrible. My best friend was black. I was born 70 years ago. My parents taught me that it doesn't matter what color people are, religion. Give everyone a chance.
My parents taught me to be a racist. Fortunately, I grew out of it.
@@dangerousdays2052 We are all racist on some level, even without social pressures and division propaganda. The first thing I notice when I see a black guy, is that he is black. And I might immediately notice his wider nose, his bigger lips, his smoother and darker skin. That's because I'm white, and grew up in a white family, seeing a white person in the mirror, and being from a place where the vast majority of people .... are white. BUT if I see that black guy, but only look for an instant and then look away, and I don't dwell on it or worry about it, and I nod to him as he walks past and he nods back to me, well ... then I'm not so RACIST, am I? I'm just human. Same way that if I pass a beautiful woman with big breasts, and I look at them for a moment because I'm a guy and for some evolutionary reason my lizard brain tells me to do so, but I don't stare I look away and I smile at her as I pass her and she smiles back, well ... I'm not a pervert, I'm just human.
People who are racist, or sexist, or are generally looking for *someone* to hate or blame, that's epi-genetic. There are very few truely racist people. Most are just psychopaths who would be hating animals or members of the opposite sex or trees if we all happened to be the same colour.
Thank you, Chris Hedges , and the Real News Network.
10 people charge for the same crime
All I know is that my taxes double every fucking year
I promise you Chris we will fix all this up. I never make promises i promised the American inmates there freedom or non freedom is a high priority of our heavenly Father he doesn't like us being locked up.. It is Draconian my Brother... that's the very word for it. I love you my Friend your a true Man of God 🙏😊🖐️
We confuse democracy, a political system, with a money/debt economic system. There is no "political" system that can solve the predicament in which we have placed ourselves by our current set of living arrangements. Investigate Technocracy, Inc.
The crime is being driven from within by the people sworn to prevent it. What people do is being 'criminalized', and that doesn't include trillions spent on that effort, by law, that taxpayers fund. It's all repressive. And get this, in Texas some of the legislators want to limit 'inmates' learning. It's no wonder the squares want to 'secede', they are opposed to morals and ethics.
Arkansas is currently in a battle to build another huge prison, extending prison times, and locking up people for misdemeanors. The officials with the prison system highly objected to this because of a lack of prison guards. They are calling on the national guard to work at the prisons. Sarah Huckabee went over the prison officials heads to take control of the prisons. The prison systems are a cash cow for investors and the states. This is not about crime but about money. It's pathetic that people cheer these public officials on without doing the research to see what's really going on. Asa Hutchinson's son has committed multiple crimes with alcohol, drugs, guns, and even wrecked his vehicle while drunk. According to a news report it was his 5th DWI. He has never served ANY time in prison. and got his law license back. These are the people that want to incarcerate YOUR kids.
41:21 it is about Faith.
Faith - you have someone you love, they love you. Everyone has that in common.
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Is it really that bad?
Interestingly black incarcerated people while being those arrested and imprisoned in greatest numbers...also are the group with the greatest number of exonerations.
Go figure, huh.
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Everyone watch the movie kill the messenger Starring Jeremy Renner
Prison industrial complex... yet another reason 2020 George Floyd riots happened. When your pleading goes on deaf ears , patience runs out.
Looks like little changed now, except now we know this. It brought awareness to our minds, pity it takes as much time to fix this issue as there was for creating it.
So does incarceration have anything to do with criminal behavior? Mass incarceration for mass offense?
It probably has more to do with being poor.
when the "laws" are completely UNJUST, what else would we expect. This is another example of empire in decline. It has done to its own people what it did overseas.
First, the caption is "devastated American Society". How does their conversation show it has devastated society? Maybe the individuals and families involved were "devastated" (and maybe not, by the way) but that is not "society".
Second, they lump together truly unfair practices with otherwise arguable laws - for example, should someone who didn't pull the trigger or even know about a plan to commit murder be convicted of murder? That's obviously unfair. But, by extension .. should we then limit prison sentences to 20 years for those who DID knowingly plan and commit murder? I think many people agree that LWOP for premeditated murder is the right sentence; therefore, we cannot support this lady's position.
Frankly, groups trying to amend the prison/sentencing/etc system should develop a better plan of action. Asking us to let murderers, rapists, pedophiles, mafia bosses, etc out into the streets where we (and our children) live, using the argument that other, lower, crimes were over sentenced? That makes a lot of us just turn away end not support their group. If they were to focus on just the obviously unfair aspects of sentencing, that would be much easier to support.
Corporate prison industrial complex...
The Nazis could only dream of such a thing.
Indeed I Tremble for my Country when I reflect GOD is just , that his justice cannot sleep forever. Thomas Jefferson
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
-- Thomas Jefferson
There was prison reform in the 70's. Prisoners were getting degrees in prison. All that ended in the 70's because progress was being made.
The Mafia is now essentially Mainstream.
shawshank redemption
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Its also 95% or more male. Its deeply, deeply sexist. This would be a much bigger issue if the matginalised group was not male.
This girl has perfect eyes.
Come on, the three strikes rule was evidence of the failure of ability to rehab mindsets and outcomes of people who are derelicts in society. Put them on work farms where they can pay back society and their victims, imbed these farms with education/social services, but stop the warehousing! We leave them sitting in prison with too much time to think to themselves & interact with those who have no desire to change.
3 minor infractions dont and shouldn’t merit an extended stay in prison. Investment in deprived communities and an end to racist policing and sentencing would have a huge impact.. as would people getting beyond prejudice and understanding the current system doesn’t work as a deterrent, it doesn’t keep communities safe and it provides too little support.
It seems you didn’t hear a key portion of this conversation.
Upon release from prison a person is generally impoverished, carrying a large debt and almost universally unable to get a legitimate job. In other words, they are very desperate. Why should we expect that making a person desperate won’t cause them to take desperate actions to survive?
Our “justice” system only perpetuates desperate situations and leads to more crime
@@therealsideburnz I heard it and who's fault is it? We came from very poor beginnings and managed to do without until we could pay our way and no crimes to atone for.
Late-stage capitalism folks! America is circling the drain.
That probably won't backfire.
Orange is the New Black.
THE SAME racist WAY " jeopardized " Policies has been adopted on Worldwide .
It's also about social control. Prison is an effective way of keeping people of color, especially men of color, under the control of the state.
The system works for those it serves! TlOn top of all that ALL PEOPLE ARE SERVED A RELIGIOUS MYTHICAL SAVIOR, WHO MUST BE HANGING OUT WITH SANTA CLAUSE... WITH MANSIONS FOR OCCUPANCY IN AN SO CALL AFTERLIFE.... THIS IS THE WIZARD IN REAL TIME!!!
People like to say the US is a Christian country. forgiveness is one of the main teachings of Christ. The US has a long way to go to be a Christian country.
Dear Chris, I’m a big fan. Thank you for your work. I hope you find this poem appropriate.
Philosophy
Indifferent
-PaulTeich-©️10/31/2023
Using the word indifferent and breaking it apart
In different
We don’t need to be indifferent
We need to be in different mind
We need to be in different time
We need to be in different place
In what mind time and place do we want to be?
In mind and place, where being kind brings us joy
Choose joy, don’t choose indifference
Choose love, don’t choose indifference
Choose to save the world and don’t choose to end it
Choose to give a lift to the lame, limping by, not indifference
Choose to feed the poor, not indifference
Call your mother, your friend and your brother, and let someone know they are loved
The worst thing in a relationship, according to Albert is indifference
You have a relationship with the earth and everyone in it
Learn a new lesson
Choose love, joy, sharing, and kindness
If you thought indiference was easier, it has been leading to the desolation of SMAUG for 10,000 years and you are next
You may be home and safe temporarily
But indifference is here, it has been here and YOU are next
Is there a mistake in thinking that the incarceration numbers are caused only or even mainly by government policies and not individual's behavior - their attitude and general outlook on life? How often are habitual criminals the exception in their family and not the norm for the whole family? How much does social factors like culture and peer pressure come into play? Why is not a high rate of violence, at least homicides, not at a similar rate in White communities that have been negatively impacted by out sourcing of jobs overseas and drug addiction?
Actually, Israel is the country with the highest percentage of its inhabitants in prison.
Im moving to the moon tomorrow
Why not look at what God says in Deuteronomy in the Bible re punnishment for various types of crime. We are all going to die one day. Then we cannot circumnavigate God. Why do that now. That's asking for double trouble. Here now & later when we die & are faced with explaining why we dealt so foolishly while in these temporary bodies
French sent its criminals to Devil's Island and the British sent it's criminals to Australia. At least US own its criminals on Turtle's Island.
Yes, and Donald Trump is still walking free. The system needs to change.
FEMA camps
Keep voting for Joe Biden.
We need more prisons. Stop with this disparity of what demographic is in prison and most are for having a few joints. The disparity is for good reason and is seen throughout the West.
This is a trash opinion. The legality of drugs has always been a racial issue, the difference in sentencing has always been disparate. You are ignoring history to pretend to be strong against 'evil'.
Something is wrong about you.
Quite the claim you’ve made. I can’t help but notice you haven’t provided any evidence to back it up
It's nice to hear people trying to be more humane, however we must point something out. This distinction between teenage brain and a so called mature brain pseudoscience. Not saying that there's no difference. I'm saying maybe don't use it as explanation for why some fucking kids commit crime, because of them don't, ya know. Instead of explaining away end normalizing criminal behaviour as a part of development, maybe look into the fucked up conditions that some children grow up with. This is a very important distinction. A twenty year old with supportive, accepting parents, whom are listening and empathizing towards the young adult will be muuuch more likely to avoid, shady 35 year old men, driving in an old car. Stop making this as if a totally healthy 20 year old would roll in a car with a couple of shady mid thirties men, they wouldn't. They would go, "This feels wrong, and I'm gonna leave this situation". If we understand this, maybe, just maybe we could help young people before they end up hanging out with shady older dudes.
Around 1970 or so, Dirty Harry came on the scene. Remember also that jobs were still easy to get and folks were just tired of crime