Was Paul Scholes Overrated?
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Paul Scholes is one of the most naturally gifted and celebrated English players in recent football history and is therefore treated as such.
There is, however, a group of people who feel that he may have been a tad overrated. In today's video, we'll be finding out if that is the case. So how good was he really?
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0:00 - Introduction
01:27 - Early life and “class of 92”
03:15 - Paul Scholes, the striker
04:55 - Paul Scholes, the midfielder (And then striker again)
06:55 - Paul Scholes, the regista
08:40 - Paul Scholes and the Three Lions
10:13 - Key statistics and final thoughts
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Correction: Scholes was actually an Oldham fan growing up That's my bad. I'll be standing in the corner for the time being.
Since we’re talking about midfielders, could we have a xavi and iniesta video next 😅
Yeah I knew some Oldham fans back in the day they always went on about it 🤣 they did hope he would end his playing career for them
He still is an Oldham fan.
Technically he did win silverware for england in the 1997 Tournoi de France and after he retired from international football England got worse. 2008 two english teams in the CL final and we didnt even make it to the euros of that year. So not only did he win more silverware than Gerrard and Lampard at club level, hes the only one of the three to win something at international level. Great video tho
I was just going to comment on that 😂
You can't really measure Scholes's talent with statistics. It's about how he controlled the ball, changed the course of attacks, defended the ball from his opponents, found best-positioned teammates, and made sure everything was working. His quality is beyond numbers.
I have respect for what Scholes achieved but I don't think he can be compared to Gerrard and Lampard
Really, some other guy called Zidane doesn’t know what he’s talking about then... he rated him higher
indeed. in the Fergie era of man united his top 2 players for me, under fergie.
@@Boyzee355 key part of my point was "I don't think" Zidane can hold his own opinion
@Aled I know that, don't get me wrong he was a great player and United wouldn't have been the same force without him. But if I could take one of them aged 21 at my club I'd take Stevie.
“This asthmatic half blind man is one the greatest English players of all time” - really makes you re-evaluate your life choices
Also his knees were messed up so he had trouble walking. A visually handicapped cripple who has trouble breathing is one of the greatest midfielders of the strongest football competition in the world. What even is life.
"Eric Cantona decided to practice his striking technique... On someone's face"
I'm dying lmao
The neville moment too.... cant believe I've never seen that 😂
@@jsmith3225 Neville reaaaaaally likes Scholes
I think Gary really rated him 🤣🤣🤣
@@ahmadfordham4630 sounds more like Ole
Most people who say he's overrated have never actually seen him play live. Brilliant video as always mate.
agreed, and they keep saying how much better lampard & gerrard statistics are compared to scholes
He was SOOO underrated as a player. My god.
More like underrated… managers like pep realise the greatness
No
Come on every manager and media outlets think he's like Messi or Ronaldo level where he's not as good as lampard
Vision issues with a 93% pass accuracy lol. Honestly one of my favourite players of all time - consummate professional and truly just loved the game.
Him along with Giggs and vidic were mine in that order glad I witnessed the first two play even if it only was late into their careers. Scholes passing was on a different level and the long shots good times.
Sight was his issue - vision was his advantage over everyone else.
He was the on field conductor of United's golden era.
Simply outstanding.
Majestic footballer.
Zidane stated Scoles was the best he ever played against, which says it all.
No he never. Zidane said that currently Scholes is the best in Europe.
@@DudeSilad My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder. Scholes is undoubtedly the greatest midfielder of his generation.”
Zinedine Zidane
@@paulcooke8542 said more or less the same about Gerrard.
@@DudeSilad I don't think he ever said that
@@DudeSilad 😂😂😂
Imagine retiring at 38 and then getting a call from one of the top teams and greatest managers of all time asking for you to come back... and still being a beast.
Unpopular opinion: Gerrard and Lampard were a lot of huff and puff, Scholes had better brains and a cultured right foot. That's why some people are too blind to see it, because running around powerfully gets highlighted more in the English game. Also the reason why England were rubbish in tournaments.
100% agree
Very well put. Maybe Lampard should have been an impact sub, I could never have imagined dropping Gerrard though.
They were a lot of goals and assists and well times tackles, Scholes was a lot less goals and assists and poorly timed tackles, Keane ran that midfield, Scholes was over rated and without Keane beside him he'd have been poor
Even as a neutral, I found him to be severely underrated. He was special. Top video...Top content...Top man !!! Brilliant video, as always. ⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽
Great player
👍
your content's lit bruv 🔥🔥
Cheers my man!
@Football Drawn honestly!!!
Greatest thing about Scholesy was he had no interest in being a star, he just wanted to win football matches.
Scholesy tried being a premadona once when he was the only first team player selected for a league cup match. He regretted it and apologised.
@@gm2407 because he was been bullied by Fergie, and he was having none of it. To Fergie's credit, he also didnt do it again to Scholes.
God bless you for making this. Truly a maverick of his generation.
Pirlo in his autobiography:the only great English midfielder during my time was paul scholes ,he had elegance ,others were pretenders.
And he team up with south korean nuclear sub marine that has been marking me up to this day....
Pirlo also said that Montolivo and Thiago Motta were far superior to Carrick in reply to that quote, so take his word with a pinch of salt.
@@safe3220 well...Pirlo's not wrong...
@@aldobonaso3481 you think montolivo was far better than carrick?
@@safe3220 far better? perhaps not. But certainly better. Carrick was one of those strange cases where he was undervalued during his playing days, but overrated after retirement. He was a good solid player that was not appreciated like he should have been, but no more than that. Montolivo is in that same category. The difference between them is that Montolivo was very dynamic, he had everything that Carrick had, but he had a bit more going forwards. And that was perhaps his downfall. If he had stayed back and played safe like Carrick, dictating play from deep, he would have left a better legacy for himself, but he was asked to push up and dictate attacks from further forward, because he could, but he sometimes failed to do so. It's something that would never be asked of Carrick, because he didn't have the ability to do so. It's why Pirlo says that Montolivo was a better footballer than Carrick. He was. But he wasn't used by his coaches in the same way.
People only call him overrated because he was English. Yet, he was a very un-English like midfielder with the way he played. Pure technique, brilliant sense of space and positioning, always seeking to the control the flow as opposed to sprinting around for 90 minutes. When the likes of Xavi, Zidane, Pirlo all sing his praises, you know he was the real deal.
This may get buried, but I think if Scholes had focused on the deep CM role his entire life, he would be regarded as the best in that position of all time. His post 30 play was truly incredible, but if he had focused on that from a younger age, he could have hit that point far younger and just imagine how terrifying that would be. Peak conductor Scholes at ~26 is something I would invent a time machine to make real. I truly love this player, and respect everything about the way he played the game
No he was underappreciated because he played in England whole career, English media always hyping about charismatic players, not quiet geniuses. Gerrard is nowhere near Scholes’ passing ability and football IQ, but amount of people in England who rate Gerrard higher is ridiculous. If Scholes played in Spain, nobody would ever compare him to some mediocre “run-shoot” English players
If he had moved deeper at a younger age, Utd would have lost a deadly eye for goal. Scholes was actually a huge goal threat in his younger years.
For an Englishman, his talents are far rarer than Gerrard or Lampard. I feel England can produce many more box-to-box midfielding greats like them, but hardly any play making Registra's who dominant possession and control the games.
How many did score over 200 goals as midfielder? not many Lampard and Gerrard are there and Scholes is incredible as well i am chelsea fan,with this 3 you get best midfilders out there if you would only look at stats.Lampard IQ of knowing where to be and ablilty to score set him apart especialy his IQ and runs he made (thats why he score more goals even when playing classic CM).They were all very good and Lampard and Gerrard could play his role as well just they were more usefull up front becouse of their ablilty to shoot and creativity up front where Scholes could find guys with long passes,when he went up front he could score and shoot from outside very well something all did good.
@Tony 2 Toes Don't forget penalties, Gerrard scored 10+ penalties in 13-14 alone and so did Lampard in 09-10. Scholes was rarely ever on penalty duty
They should of played a 3 man midfield with scholes as a regista Lampard as a ten and Gerard as an 8 rather then 2 8s and Scholes on the wing
@@darakenny5408 yh honestly i know scholes moved to cdm later in his career but he was amazing to watch there just watch paul scholes vs barca he makes it look so easy how he passes the ball finds space you could not get close to him
They are both equally valuable skillsets, having a more continental style doesn't make you a better player.
My hero. A footballing genius. He wasn't bothered by the fame or money. Just wanted to play football and go home and watch tv. Best midfielder ever.
He is my favourite player, extremely talented, extremely humble. His screaming long shots are stunning to watch every time
One of my favorite player. U forget to mention yet another great trait of Scholes. He was a man of loyalty and discipline. Never exposed his personal life never betrayed his Club. These traits are important too.
Scholes was best with is Long range passes and distribution from the centre of the pitch better than Lampard and Gerrard in that area.
Goal Scoring was not his primary attribute and tackling was not his key.
Who remembers his bullet goal against Barcelona and Bradford City it was simply amazing. Great video.
Too many to recall, i loved the looping volley vs Villa
@@d1want34 bro the one at villa is top 3 goals I’ve ever seen
IKR his shots where all insane
@@Howyanow hit the bar and bounced back out, the keeper thought it wasnt in 😂🤣😂
Villa goal was my fave
Guys who only judge players by their stats will never know how good Paul Scholes actually was.
He was the heart of the squad. Every manager want to have a player like Scholes in their squad but they don't make a player like him anymore, he's one of a kind.
Give the man a flower he deserves while he's here.
If anyone thinks Scholes is over-rated, they're sniffing glue. One of the finest players I have ever seen on a pitch. Perfect technique, exquisite vision... and before I'm accused of Bias, I'm a 40 year season ticket holder an Man City. Therefore, I can't stand Scholes, but what a player.
He is overrated by man u fans only
I personally think he is great you can't have an argument of best midfielder without him
I love paul scholes, great player, and just had no interest in being a star outside of football, it made him very likeable
Paul scholes is the most underrated player out of the Gerrard Lampard Scholes debate.He could defend attack,make good passes,brilliant long shots,in fact,I think he’s on parr with xavi
Couldn't tackle
Remember Scholes' tackle on Zabaleta in 2011
You are spitting fax
He can't defend
Even xavi say the best midfielder is paul
However much i hate to admit it the classical sergio busquets quote suits him especially in hes latter years. "If you watch the game you wont see scholes, but if you watch him you will see the entire game". Incredibly footballer but also someone that was a class act as a person. There is so many young players that would benefit from having the same humility, talent is great but without a good head on your shoulders you will waste it.
This guy really didn't wanna play one more game and get 500 appearances? 😭
😂😂
Family matters 😅
499 looks cooler and sounds even better. something about those 9s.
@@RASTANAUT if it's 999 then i agree but 499 is just not better than 500
I am telling you man you are amazing. If you continue like this you are gonna be one of the biggest football related content youtubers
Cheers man!!
Fully agree, top drawer content
I'm gonna be honest. Many games Scholes would start running towards an opposition player who had possession. Everyone in the pub would gasp or shout Nooooooo! A Yellow card often followed. But aside from that. The best midfielder/striker/playmaker ever.
You started this video exactly how I expected it to start. Well done mate 👏🏾
😂
One of most decorated footballer. Won it all and was the reason why United dominated in the 90's
Wasn't even the best central midfielder for United in the 90s
Wrong.
@@idiot3412 😂alongside Roy Keane
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Yo Ramone! Thanks so much man. Haha I try!
To be fair to Scholes' England career, the fact that that 90s-early 2000s England team with Arsenal's backline, United's midfield, and Alan freaking Shearer on top failed to win anything is mind-blowing. Like I get them crashing out of the 2002 World Cup to a Brazil having Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Cafu, and Roberto Carlos, but other than that, they really should have won something
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Lovely stuff. Writing, editing, pacing, jokes are all top notch. Keep up the good work!
Would love for you to make a video on the England team! Especially that "Golden Generation" era. Thanks for all the hard work, best football related page on CZcams!
In the Scholes-Lampard-Gerrard debate, he was by far the best passer. As a deep lying playmaker, he was truly incredible.
He couldn’t tackle to save his life.
Yes... Not goals n certainly not tackles but his passing was 2nd to none.
He was the purest midfielder out of the three
You need to look at more of Gerrard then. Scholes edges it in passing. It's close. Beyond that, he also was nowhere near the best passer at any point during his career (Xavi, Pirlo, Keane, Laudrup, even Gerrard at his peak was a better passer than Scholes at the time) and had a lot to improve on with his shorter passes - he certainly wasnt able to pass the ball quickly unlike Gerrard or especially Lampard and i feel a lot of people choose to ignore this weakness in his game
@@tomspreadbury2915 you need look at Scholes dude.
I’ve been watching your channel a lot recently and it’s great!, keep up the good work!
Cheers! Appreciate that
Just for some context. Roy Keane and Scholes are two football players that United have STILL not been able to recreate. They got peak Hargreaves, Veron, Schweinstager, Pogba, VdB and many more to try and fail miserably. Even a 39 year old Scholes would start for most teams in the PL, certainly United and even Liverpool and Chelsea right now. City perhaps not, that’s just about the only PL team I feel he might not be a sure starter for. He’s better than all the players they have in the midfield, but the level of competition is too high for him to start week in week out.
Great video man!
This channel is something else. The quality of production, editing, presentation. Perfect. 🙏
Agree
This man was my hero growing up. Thanks for the great video.
There's a story about Scholes and Ronaldo that used to circulate United fan groups. It's likely not true but here it is:
When Ronaldo came to United, being his high-flair and super confident self, he took up all the attention on/off the pitch and would boast to his team about how good he was. Then one day during a training session Scholes came up to him and said "You see that tree over there?", as he pointed to a tree that was over half a pitch away, "I can hit that tree dead on from here first try" and then he did exactly that on his first try. Ronaldo picked up the gauntlet and tried several times without hitting the tree. Which humbled Ronaldo and helped him on his way to become a legend.
True or not, I think it perfectly encapsulates Scholes as a character and player. A player out of the spotlight relative to his teammates, but a confident and composed master of the game.
you rlly deserve to be bigger, all u gotta do is keep on grinding, great vid as usual
Very informative vid mate. Love from the philippines
My favourite player after Cantona, which says it all with all the superstars that came and went at United. He made everything look effortless and beautiful. and he always let his feet do the talking - you can see why he was admired by Xavi, Iniesta and co.
Awesome content. Scholes was not a highlight reel player, you needed to watch the entire 90 minutes to understand his impact.
Top video mate. Keep it up!
You're right, but his highlight reel is also insane.
@@toteispoe4 Can't deny that mate
My favorite football youtuber, this is really informative and funny, most underrated channel
Hi!.Love your videos.Btw can you make a video on Diego Forlan
Underrated as hell
You always deliver and you never disappoint.
Cheers!!
Amazing video. I think an interesting video idea may be leicester premier league triumph in 2015/16.
Excellent video my guy. And those Gary Neville edits 😂 😂
in any united game I saw him play, Scholes was never the weak part
the work of a CM often go unnoticed. they are not like AM's where they can collect assists and goals. will only see their impact if they are not playing, like when scholes retired, man utd immediately started playing poorly, but once he returned, the team got back its form and started catching up to the league leaders
How do you have so little subs? Your content and presentation is fantastic! Keep up the awesome work
People say that Scholes couldn't tackle. That's absolutely not true. Scholes could tackle just fine. His so-called bad tackles were absolutely deliberate. He got away with a lot more than he should have because the media cultivated a reputation of him being a bad tackler so that whenever he took a player out, the ref would look at him and be like "Oh, it's Scholes, he can't tackle so I'll let him off with a warning" haha.
Gets in this current Utd team with relative ease. He had a great work ethic, Vision, positional awareness, thunderous strike, great balance and passing range.
Omg imagine if replaced Fred
@@KING7CANTONA We need a Carrick at the moment,not a Scholes
@@mariuscarausu9352 I mean that postion has been our issue since Carrick has been gone. Very true.
@@mariuscarausu9352 i meant he'd walk straight into the 11 not necessarily as a the main Dm, technically we need Keane and Scholes since we play with a double pivot, if we played with a single pivot Carrick would be the Best option.
Paul was always my favorite midfielder cause I have the same knee issue and I was always inspired by his ability with it. Same for rashford right now.
As someone who doesnt watch Football too much now a days. These videos are phenomenal and really get me in the mood to try my best to catch a game lol.
No is the simple answer. If anything he wasn't rated highly enough when he played and now he has retired most people can see what a wonderful and talented player he was. One of the best of his generation and humble with it. A true footballer in all senses and a great ambassador for what football can be.
Mate I'm always first watching ur videos because ur amazing PLZ never stop
My guy!
Oh how Arsenal could do with a midfielder like him now 😞
Arsenal need God
@@hussainsalim1303 😂 dude you didn't have to do him like that
@@hussainsalim1303 not even God can help them anymore
@@hussainsalim1303 So do you.......
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He was mint.
A lot of people take the piss but for me it goes,
Him
Gerrard
Then lampard.
Lampard scored a ridiculous amount of goals but had the attacking freedom to do so.
Absolutely not overrated, fantastic player, top tier passer, thunderbolt of a shot
he is the true definition of a united legend loyal to us to the end
Your Chanel is great. Have a great day!
Looking back at his plays really make me appreciate his wonders with Kean. Especially compared to the current state of united midfield
The rest of the world laughs at England for they way they wasted Scholes!
😂😂😂 it sums up their incompetence, doesn't it...? He made Lampard look like a ditch-digger (and Lampard was top class too)
One of the many reasons i haven't watched football for almost a decade is Scholes's retirement
Damn bro u missed out
@@ajaini1709 Yeah,i missed out a shit ton of boring football
I'm lucky enough to have been old enough to remember him coming into the team seeing him play live we were spoiled as united fans back then
He was never underrated by other professionals.,only by spectators. He was pure class one of the best midfielders ever. If you dont agree take it up with guardiola, cos what does he know. The fact Alex Ferguson spent a fortune on players in every other position throughout Scholes career whilst Scholes was still there never needing to be replaced because there was nothing better than Scholes.
9:25
Ridiculously good english squad. That they still to this day, have only won one major title is beyond me.
Scholes and Keane where the second best midfield duo after Xavi and iniesta.
Well, xavi and Iniesta were a trio along with busquets
yes!
@@afellownerd
True! But different era Keane did the role of BOTH Bus and Xavi
Xavi and Iniesta were great but they were great because of Busquet. Another highly underrated Spaniard.
Scholes and Keane were great, just perfect.
@@afellownerd yeah but only Barcelona fans remember busquets he was no legend like Xavi and iniesta well not just Barca fans he was good I’ll give you that but not on the other twos level.
What a great player, superb.Thanks for the video. Already subrscribed to the channel!. Regards from Argentina!
Another good video once again, feel bad for Scholes, not only did he play for England which meant he didn't win any trophies there as usual and he got stuck on the wing for no reason, he also missed out on the iconic once in a lifetime treble winning game due to injury and also had asthma and vision problem for a large period of his life, the man was really unlucky.
Hey I'm a second striker who people think should play as an 8 because of my passing! Someone I can relate to
Please make a video on Gabriel Batistuta
Great shout!
@@FootballIconic 😇
Great video! Scholes is one of the best ever to do it
You definitely should make a video on the class of '92. It would be a must watch
The best Scholes story I heard was Millan wanted him back in the 90s and they gave Man Utd a blank cheque and told them to put in what they wanted for Scholes. They even let him talk to the Millan president and Scholes simply said to him If you want me to play for you. You have to buy Man Utd. Scholes didn't even have an agent back then.
It's a story
finally!
Underrated. Ginger kid from Salford who disliked being in the spotlight. Did his job and went home. Best long passing foot in Premier League history, best ever in the PL to control the tempo of the game and packed a punch. People will claim Gerrard was better solely due to his shine in a poor Liverpool side. He scored more goals because he had to step up. That was not Scholes´ job. It should not have been Gerrard´s either, but it was. Simple.
Under appreciated in his playing days and then overstated when his career finished placing him against Zidane and Iniesta, which he wasn't. But still should have been given more praise during his playing days.
“Complete player, but I would still say Denis Irwin was more complete. Could defend, take set pieces, trained properly, good lad, and is Irish.”
-Roy Keane
I can hear his voice 😂
This a Man United fan channel? XD so biased!
🤣 the majority of my videos aren't even about Man U
LoL, A MU channel wouldn't complement Chelsea and Man City.
@@FootballIconic 11 out of 40 vids are solely about ex Manchester United players... with man United players referenced in several others. Your first upload was also. The Majority of your videos are on general premier league players... but specific clubs players... 3 arsenal, 1 Liverpool, 2 Chelsea... 11 Manchester United. I'm just waiting for the CR7 special. If you aren't a Manchester United, fan, what club do you support? The bias comes clearly through on your opinion peices. The who was best out of Scholes, Gerrard lampard was scandalously biased with specific unusual stats forced to suit your agenda. Its a shame because your production quality and delivery is top notch. But the bias puts me off so much.
@@christor2907 I'm sorry you feel that way man. I am a United fan and have been open about it in the past. United have won 13 out of the first 21 PL titles and my videos are mostly about the 90s and 2000s. It is impossible to not make reference to United and United players.
However, I'm a massive fan of football in general, not just United. Which is why I make videos on every team and player. Even more so, 90% of all my content is facts and no opinion. My longest and most detailed videos are not even about United. But perhaps bias creeps in every now and then. Apologies if that puts you off. All the best, bro.
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Thanks, James! Appreciate that!
The only people that call him overrated are those than never saw him play.
Best passer I've ever seen.
One of favourite Man Utd players of all time. This man needs more love for his work!
The further we get from Scholes actually playing, the better he becomes. The same happened with Pirlo, who was good, but not revered until he moved into the Regista role for Juve towards the end of his career.
You're starting to see the same happen with Michael Carrick as well (inc. on this channel)
There's a reason these players weren't hyped at the time, and it's because they were being rated WHILST they were playing, rather than with the benefit of nostalgia.
Paul Scholes made me fall in love with football. Not my favourite ever player but certainly the man who made me want to watch and play the game
Anybody no matter who you support that says Paul wasn't a genius football player 1 of the best ever to play the game just don't appreciate or understand the sport. What a player what a professional Paul
Definitely underrated.
It says everything about how underrated he was by the comments you read from the greats of the game that get all the plaudits, Pirlo, Zidane, Iniesta, Henry.
Mainly down to his own humble, salt of the earth persona, when compared to the football celebrities he was surrounded by, Beckham, Giggs etc. He was often overlooked by the media, but he also shied away from the limelight, so there's that too.
He was a big fish in a big pond during Utd's most successful years as well, whereas Gerrard was the main big fish for LFC and similar with Lamp's at Chelsea.
He did the right thing with England, retiring early to prolong his club career. He failed with England as much as every other England player did during that time.
Best volleyer of a ball I've ever seen.
Underrated in his playing days and hugely overrated in his retirement sums things up perfectly for me.
Top video. He was world class. The best English attacking Central midfielder of my generation.🔥🔥🔥 💯
If I advise any youngster how to play the game, I just say; keep things simple, keep the ball, don’t always charge forward,, make the ball do the work, watch Paul Scholes!
For me, the most talented English player in my generation.
This channel will hit 100k by the end of 2021, mark my words.
Scholes is enormously underrated by fans and pundits... but mysteriously, most of the greatest players of the last 30 years put him right up there with the best.
One of my favourite assists was the one against AC Milan at Old Trafford to Rooney who scored . That game finished 3-2.