Rishi Sunak's Rwanda Deterent Causing A Headache For Ireland!
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- čas přidán 27. 04. 2024
- The Rwanda policy is having an unintended benefit for Rishi Sunak and his government, it is seeing people flee Great Britain to Ireland using the Common Travel Area to avoid being deported to Rwanda. This has caused a bit of a headache for the Irish government.
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There is a bilateral agreement between Ireland and the UK on the return of failed asylum seekers or those who enter each others jurisdictions on visas (e.g. student, tourist etc.).
Problem is the Irish High Court has recently ruled that Ireland’s designation of the UK as a “safe third country” to which asylum seekers can be returned for processing is unlawful as a matter of EU law.
The Judge said the breach arises from a gap between safeguard requirements prescribed in the International Protection Act of 2015 and those mandated by the Dublin III Regulations, also stating that the failure of the 2015 Act to require the Minister for Justice to be satisfied there is no risk of “serious harm” to a transferee means Ireland is in breach of article 3(3) of Dublin. The Judge also said that Dublin III, although not covering non-EU states, sets a “common minimum standard” for transferring a person seeking protection in the EU.
The Judge also found there is a gap between safe third country requirements set out in in the 2015 Act and those prescribed in EU law, with the Irish version failing to provide for the full extent of safeguards. These safeguards are “binding” on Ireland because of its adherence to Dublin III
The actions of two asylum seekers (one who was refused asylum in the UK and the other who entered the UK on a student visa), which were contested by the Minister, Ireland and the Attorney General, were selected from a large group of cases that allege the UK designation is unlawful due to various reasons, including alleged risks arising from potential onward transfer to Rwanda.
Given she had already found the designation to be unlawful, the Judge said she did not need to decide whether the designation is unsustainable by reason of alleged exposure to a risk of ill-treatment due to the UK’s relationship with Rwanda.
- Irish Examiner 22 March 2024
I expect late sittings in both Houses of the Oireachtas (Parliament) in the next week or two to plug the legislative gap.
Thanks for the reply and the information.. Would this only apply to people who are seeking asylum from GB?
@@MaximilienRobespierre1 The International Protection Act of 2015 applies to arrivals from third countries. Since the ruling, the Minister's safe origin declaration and accompanying faster processing applies to just 10 non-EU countries: South Africa, Algeria, Botswana, Albania, Georgia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina. It's worth noting that the same Irish Examiner report mentioned that the same Judge ruled, in a separate case, that South Africa is a safe country and that anyone arriving from there can be fast tracked for return.
I understand that anyone who arrives from GB and is found to be on the system of an EU/EEA/CH state can be returned to that state under Dublin III.
I expect any new law that closes the gap will be challenged for it's constitutionality. This could either be post enactment of the new law where any section of the new Act could be challenged. Alternatively, the President could, after consultation with the Council of State, refer the whole Bill to the Supreme Court to test its constitutionality before signing it into law. If the Bill is found to be unconstitutional - it's back to the drawing board. If the Supreme Court rules it's constitutional, it's signed into law and its constitutionality can never be challenged. In that context, Presidents are reluctant to refer Bills to the Supreme Court to test their constitutionality before signing them into law.
But if they use ferry to get to Ireland then it is Westminster that is sending people , when only those with ID should be let onboard.
@@pete_lindthey're coming in through NI so I'm not sure if there are checks crossing from GB to NI. But good point.
Great information Chatty
Tbf I'd like to flee England for Ireland too 😅
You mean the UK.
@@JohnnyZenithEngland is a part of the UK.
If you are British, you can, no problem.
I'd like to flee back to the EU!
Perhaps, you can
Rath, Kilkelly, Mayo: Bungalow
Price: Offers over €90,000
So, many in the UK could move to Eire (being outside of the EU, might make it a tad harder).
Why is RTE describing the migrants as a problem? Only a few days ago the Irish government was describing migration as good for Ireland and those who opposed it were Far Right.
It's the EU mate. double standards are all they have
He's so desperate!
So is he going to stop them like he complains that France is not doing enough 🤔I don't think so, the hypocrisy is deafening.
Good point.😅
Yeah but if France did their job properly they would still be in France and not going to Ireland
Freedom of choise applies to anyone--crossing the channel is not a crime just a dangerous method
There isn't a human right that says you decide to turn up with no documents to another country. It's illegal. You try it Rob. See what happens.
It depends. Are we getting over £600 million to stop them. And are our Navy giving them free escort to Irish coast. No we are not. On either front
His plan to "make it someone else's problem" works. What a leader.
its what the EU did to us so its fair
@@graveperil2169 Aaaaaahhhhh ha ha ha ha ha. I'm surprised that you can spell EU. Hahaha.
@@bertrach I do not live there so no need to spell EU
@@graveperil2169 I don't live on the moon... what's your point?
@@bertrach what was yours?
It's got NOTHING to do with Rwanda. A 0.01% chance of going to Rwanda is no deterrent at all.
Problem is that if a few people start saying that they moved on to Ireland because of the Rwanda scheme then that’s all that people will need to claim it is a success.
The whole thing is a smoke and mirrors stunt anyway, so a couple of testimonials would sadly go a long way.
@@HiveFleetOni Arrivals from the UK: Helen McEntee shared that 80% of recent arrivals in the Republic of Ireland came from the UK via the Irish border.
Impact of UK’s Rwanda Policy: Tánaiste Micheál Martin acknowledged that the UK’s policy regarding Rwanda is already affecting Ireland. However, if it’s only say an additional 100 to 500 people per year, it’s not that significant concern. The real impact will become clearer over time, especially in the next 12 weeks when better weather conditions in the channel may lead to more arrivals in Ireland.
Effectiveness of the Rwanda Bill: While the Rwanda bill may seem ineffective in theory, it’s essential to consider that asylum seekers might not fully understand the extensive process the UK government must go through to assess and process their claims initially. Some, may have a knee jerk reaction.
Thus, it may take a few months to see, to conclude.
It has to do with Rwanda from Ireland's perspective.
@@localreviewking134 Absolutely, but the Conservatives don’t let small issues like robust data or cause and effect get in their way. The story is already being used by Sunak to claim that the policy is working, even though the impact can only be minimal so far.
@@HiveFleetOni Yes, how will the UK be seen by the people of Ireland, in a few months? If there is an influx of people, seeking asylum. The UK, has more ability to help and process claims. Can, or will Ireland just drive them back to the border? The inability to provide care, to genuine down trodden being the driver of such things.
Strange that none of the Irish politicians have mentioned France.
Most won’t want to come to Ireland because they don’t have contacts or a pre-existing community here like they were intent on getting to in the U.K.
It’s just a pathetic soundbyte by a pathetic politician.
And if they do come here, they will attempt to get Irish citizenship and then use the CTA to go to the U.K. anyway.
All round pathetic.
Clutching at Straws !!
At the end of last year when boat numbers decreased Sunak was claiming it was his policy, then as the weather improved the numbers rose again. Sunak is desperate and will try and find anything that tries to justify his policy including migrants crossing to Ireland. What happened to taking back control?
It just makes him look more pathetic and he and his party are in for a bigger defeat at every election the voters have the opportunity to show their dissatisfaction, 'No If's No Buts'
This is the time when the tories and Labour work together, to quietly co-opt agreements for behaviour to lower the bar so much that when labour take power, the peoples expectations have been lowered to such an extent that they don't _expect_ very much from the incoming government...
And by doing so, the new government don't have to work so hard, and probably benefit from the brown envelopes gifted to them by the tories for assisting them.
It happens every election year.
There is no such thing as democracy in Britain or Ireland.
Or indeed Europe.
The same tiny band of unelected billionaires have bribed, blackmailed, thieved and married their way to power in all western nations, and they own both sides of the parliamentary halls.
We are fed an illusion of choice, but in reality, we have been systematically stripped of ALL our rights, and the rich have enabled a global fiefdom wmin which they have complete and total control.
We can do nothing now.
The people don't have the courage nor the fortitude to risk the live they have, in order to secure a betwr world for our children.
We are a nation of bowed cowards, but we have been moulded as such by these politicunts.
You are right - none of this is addressing either government's flaws regarding illegal immigration
Which government?
Sunak doesn't care! He knows his time is nearly up, the EU take ages to act, he won't be PM when or if they do, it will be Labour that will be left with another problem and left to take the blame, just like with checks
£2 million a refugee. Typical tory economics.
More and more we here in Ireland 🇮🇪 are learning who are our real friends and as someone else said with neighbours like Britain who needs enemies and that certainly sums up Britain as regards Ireland.
This is already backfiring on them but it won't be forgotten easily
I'm in France atm. They like the irish much better so if comes down to a choice they will back Ireland.
won't be forgotten easily.. ... add it to the long list..
Don't recall you complaining in 2008 when the Irish economy was on the bones of its arse and the British came financially to the rescue. Now we just hear that Ireland is such a rich country and has surplus accommodation through its ghost housing estates, which could surely be used to place these new guests on the grounds of humanity...... BE KIND
@@garethbuckeridge6910 really maybe you should have checked why exactly the British government gave that loan 🤔, I think it was around six billion 🤔 it was for British goods coming into Ireland from Britain and if we Irish hadn't received this money a lot of British jobs were going to be affected mostly job losses.
Another thing we Irish had that money ready to way ahead of when we were supposed to pay back and British government refused to take it back because they wanted every bit of interest but like I said you learn who's who in time.
Nothing is forgotten
Typical hypocritical comment.
Irland wanted open boarders.
Ireland wanted to be in EU.
Why doesnt ireland call their irish tinkers back to help out.😅
Stop the Boasts!!
Always putting pressure on Ireland pathetic
The UK, should be building friendships with Eire and not making matters worse, which this Rwanda law could do.
Excellent comment
@@localreviewking134You could start building friendships by calling us Ireland when speaking English. Also it's Éire, without the accent (sinefada) it means something different.
@@cjm3109
My family’s Irish history? Explosive. Literally. A bomb under my granddad’s lorry nearly took him out. Understandably, he harboured a 40-year grudge against the Irish. Passed it on to my mom, like a bitter heirloom.
Me? No hate. I zoom out. The bigger picture? Asylum seekers. They’re knocking on Ireland’s door, and the UK’s got its own linguistic kerfuffle. But here’s the kicker: who knows maybe 450 migrants a day? That’s a crowd. Ireland’s pockets aren’t deep enough for a mass influx. Though, there are many who will help, I am sure.
Peace, folks. Compassion for the downtrodden. Let’s skip the tent cities, shall we? No more bad blood. Too many fell on both sides. 🕊🇮🇪
@@cjm3109 Níl saoi gan locht
Well, this is typical. The British government does something stupid and we in Ireland suffer. Always the aame, only think of themselves. Was the same with the famine, the first World War, partition, the Economic war, the Troubles, Brexit and now this!
@fuertewelly tbh because of brexit the Irish border is now in the Irish sea .. one step closer to unification .. peacefully!!!
@@fuertewellyEU says UK can have our refugees, UK says EU can have them back
They're all going to be sent back to GB, article in the UK guardian about it.
Ireland Scotland and Wales mean nothing to them.
The English Tory Government.
This is about the common travel area between Britain and Ireland, nothing to do with the EU
Great Analysis as always Max ❤
If the UK doesn't stem the flow, Ireland should join Schengen.
Can't. Not as long as NI is part of the UK. ROI joining Schengen now would require a hard border on the island. This cannot happen, for obvious reasons
@@martymcdermott67I assume the OP means the *whole* of Ireland should join Schengen. And set up a hard border on the Irish Sea.
@paologat NI is still part of the UK, until it decides it doesn't want to be. Until then, it can't decide anything of the sort.
@@martymcdermott67 as you correctly noted, the implication of “Ireland joining Schengen” is that there would also be a successful border poll on Irish unification.
If GB starts dumping asylum seekers in Belfast, current Unionists may feel sufficiently betrayed to accept a united Ireland as a lesser evil.
@paologat they've been betrayed countless times, and keep running back for more. Gb betrayal is still better than anything Irish and "papist"! Go figure.
More trouble comes everyday.
😮More bother .
I have now given up bothering, can’t be bothered.
You ain't seen nothing yet
@@grahamwade5932 I saw the troubles way back . Don’t want them again .
Thank you Max ❤
What happened to the Tory first safe country theory
Exactly my thought. Surely the UK is a "safe country" so why would they want to go elsewhere?
Also to take the same logic as the headbangers when they talk about France not stopping people coming here: Why isn't the UK posting patrols at the border stopping people crossing over to Ireland huh? They should be grabbing them and throwing them back into NI surely...?
Their hypocrisy laid bare.
Great video and analysis max spot on thanks
Why would a people traffiker be put off by any UK deportation policy? They have their money and dont care what happens to migrants.
They don't need a people trafficker
@@roisinmalone3015 They don't? Who do you think gives them the boat?
@@tomw0815
They don't need a trafficker boat to get to Ireland.
Re the common travel area and Britain not caring, they can go to NI and cross into Ireland 🙄
This has been happening for some, it's not a new problem.
Exactly
This is as much a "deterrent" as Rishi Sunak is suitable enough to be Prime Minister.
he isnt, like Truss or BoJo....
vote for the cabbage...it can feed people in need!
I’m starting to think I’d prefer to be in Rwanda 😡
Ah, but we are their number one enemies...
We are white British males.
The bottom of the pile.
We don't GET to go anywhere.
A British man somehow boarded a flight to America a few weeks ago, without a ticket, and upon arriving at the American airport he said he wanted to claim asylum in America.
Unlike the minorities who literally get assisted into America illegally, this British man was told in no uncertain terms that he wasn't allowed to claim asylum, and was promptly flown straight back to the UK.
This is all openly available information online.
Only minorities and foreigners can enter another country without documentation or a clean criminal history.
This is pure racism of the highest order and nobody is calling this crap out.
Sunak is talking rubbish that Rwanda is and will work. Rwanda are only going to take 300 a year and can send some back to the UK. Good to see the Irish are out on the streets about immigration. Politicians in the UK and Ireland have caused this problem.
All of our English politicunts are the same.
A non story it has been happening since the boats started, you wouldn't expect them to go from Calais to Ireland in an overcrowded rubber boat.
Now stop the benefits they'll stop coming
How out of touch with reality are the DUP? It is only a matter of weeks since they were claiming that the open Irish/NI border was a route for immigrants to Britain. They should support more stringent border controls on migrants travelling from Britain to Northern Ireland, if they care what happens on the Island of Ireland. Some of the refugees may very well choose to stay in NI rather than travel south when they discover there is no accommodation and many are camping on the street in Dublin.
I think they're frightened re the Rwanda Bill though
It's not a deterrent of any kind.
Max, the legislation Helen McEntee is talking about is to reverse a high court decision which declared the UK an unsafe country to return refugees to, on account of its Rwanda deportation policy. There is an existing returns agreement between Ireland and the UK under the Common Travel Area, though a UK government member is reported by the Financial Times as being prepared to ignore the agreement and not accept people back.
Everyone in the UK wants an Irish passport.....
@@Jamie-uk2zhBecause not everyone in the UK is entitled to one.
Ireland makes it way too easy to get one. I was surprised to find out i was eligible considering my only connection to the country is through a great-grandparent. Why should I be allowed to vote in Irish elections? You guys need to sort that out it’s a risk to your country
@@Jamie-uk2zhonly a tiny percentage of GB people are entitled to Irish passports.
@@cjm3109 I am entitled to one. My Granda is from Derry CJ.
@@kangaroo4847You can only vote in Irish elections if you're an Irish citizen that is resident in Ireland.
Rwanda is a "we send one there and they send one back" deal. It is no deterrent, watch the boats carry on and on and on.
A year ago I commented on this channel to state concerns about the levels of international protection applicants spiraling out of control with the appearance of tents on the streets of Dublin and I was called a liar, a racist, a bigot.. I was told by one of the regular commenters here that it was only a case of one or two slipping through the cracks!! There's no talking to people who refuse to let anything intrude on their blinkered moral vision and attack anyone who doesn't share this facile view as not only wrong, but bad
The issue here however is 'don't tell the truth' because people of self importance don't always wish to hear it, especially if it doesn't fit their narrative of stupidity.
I wonder where this will go? I suspect that Mr Sunak might have an even more interesting problem if/when asylum seekers are returned to the UK. It ought to be an embarrassment for the UK government but, as we know, they have no shame, no empathy and are completely irresponsible.
It shows of course that the UK government and those who agree with them on this issue, that the life and wellbeing of the people were never in their mind.
Refugees? Very few refugees would ever seek to leave the safety of France. Economic migrants and refugees are two very different groups
Priceless.
Best news I've heard in a long time.......if they want to return illegals to the UK then France must also accept returns
they are not sent to Rwanda to have their claims processed - HOW MANY MORE TIMES?
Part 3 - Processing of claims
Article 9: Processing arrangements
In the case of a Relocated Individual who raises an asylum or Humanitarian Protection Claim once they are in Rwanda, Rwanda shall ensure that at all times it shall treat each Relocated Individual, and process their claim for asylum, in accordance with the Refugee Convention and this Agreement, and process their Humanitarian Protection Claim in accordance with this Agreement.
Rwanda shall ensure that the necessary systems are in place to ensure the obligations contained in Annex B which relate to the processing of claims are complied with, including capacity building within the decision-making process.
A Relocated Individual who is a Child shall be able to raise an asylum or Humanitarian Protection Claim in their own right (noting that unaccompanied children shall not be relocated to Rwanda under this Agreement).
Britain is in a state of emergency
And Ireland will send them right back!
Sadly we won't.
Ireland still in the EU. They need to apply pressure to Brussels not UK.
80% of international protection applicants coming into Ireland are arriving across the border from Northern Ireland.
Varadkar said last year that only a small amount of migrants were illegal. He dismissed criticism of migration as a "far right myth" and encouraged migration. He put migrants up in hotels and they flocked to Ireland. Now Harris is crying because it's all gone wrong. It's his party's fault, no one else's.
well isn't it obvious why?
It's easier to go across land via england and cross a completely unguarded border. and smugglers probably know a nice legal loophole where they can just have their busses terminate in northern ireland dodging checks.
Stopping the boats - I guess just not how they thought 😆🤷🏽♀️
Ireland and the UK should agree that ECONOMIC migrants fleeing the UK and caught entering Ireland should be deemed to have lost their appeal for asylum in BOTH countries and be forthwith deported to Rwanda at UK expense, where they will be required to submit a new application for asylum ab initio. Tough love is needed or Ireland will become a backdoor for illegal immigration imho.
Exactly why UK Expense?
@@nimtraiphummadan2802 Because their intended destination was clearly the UK.
The increase isn't todo with any local changes is it? Surely it's todo with the increase in conflict (some of which the UK has it's fingers in) and environmental issues around the world (of which the U.K. also has it's fingers in)?
Unfortunately,Sunak forgot that Northen Ireland was part of the UK!
Sunak and the Tories will be gone anyway in the next few months. Very little of what he does matters. One thing is for sure. Ireland will not be a release valve for Britains migrant problem which have been exacerbated by a disastrous Brexit.
Irish citizens have freedom of movement to the UK, so any refugee granted Irish citizenship could just cross the Irish sea.
Well done Rishi
Wait until the weather gets warmer! It will not stop the boats coming into Dover or wherever in the Southeast Coast! 😉
Yes, we had that already years ago when an Egyptian, refused asylum in UK, came to Ireland, Dundalk, and killed one of my coworkers 😢.
It’s almost as if these people aren’t actually asylum seekers but criminals who shouldn’t be let into either country 🤔
That's a sad story and all but i think most irish people know that we've no problem killing each other. Would it have mattered whether it was an Egyptian or Irish person?
It's one thing to say that it's embarrassing that they are fleeing Britain because we are a safe country, but the opposition will say that they shouldn't have been here in the first place
Why risk being sent to Rwanda if UK is your final destination when you can use the common travel area to walk across the border to NI. You are now in the UK to claim asylum and you are exempt from the Rwanda flights. Legally entered the country and claimed asylum. Problem in the making that won't take the gangs long to work out.
I think the real problem is people drowning at sea 😢
Stay in France then 🤷♂️
"The English are such nice neighbours" said no one ever.
I know and today's generation are still being blamed for the potato famine. It's a good job that I'm thick skinned and don't take offence easily at nasty insults that have been thrown at me all of my adult life.
@@garethbuckeridge6910 Oh us EU citizens have adopted the same thick skin when it comes to the daily vile insults towards us in 90% of the English media day in day out. Good riddance to England.
"The French are such good neighbours"
Said no one ever
NO BORDER ON THE ISLE OF IRELAND!!…
Another great British victory
I may not be up to date...
How is it the UK can send people
to ireland but ireland can't send
them back?
I believe they are actually sending themselves to the Republic of Ireland via the north out of personal choice because they have been told that you are a land of milk & honey with fantastic welfare benefits provided upon arrival.
@@garethbuckeridge6910
"you"? my guy, I'm german...
@@KintokiSan Apologies, I'm not 'my guy' as I'm heterosexual.
@@garethbuckeridge6910 and I never
said you weren't as "my guy" does not
in any way imply that you or me for that
matter are homosexuals, not that there
would be anything wrong with that but
you might want to consider socializing
more or you may run into problems like
this in the future and that is coming from
an introvert so that's saying something.
Apart from the illegal immigrants to the UK that the government treat like royalty they issued 1.5 million 'legal' visas last year alone. They then go on about the problems with the NHS , Housing and every other public service. The whole place is falling apart and they keep bringing them in and changing the culture and Christian heritage of the place forever!
Exactly the same problems are happening in Ireland, worst most useless politicians ever.
If people are going to Ireland because they are afraid of being deported from the UK to Rwanda, then it`s reasonable to assume that If people are afraid of being deported to Rwanda they won`t come to the UK either. What is being said here at 2.04 makes no sense. So an asylum seeker about to board a dinghy in France is not deterred by the possibility of being sent to Rwanda, they only worry about it when they arrive in England? 🤔
They will come and if selected for Rwanda they may well go to Ireland or melt into the black economy . .... Oh that is what's going on!
Dover -> Kigali: 6,503 kilometers.
Dover -> Dublin: 569 kilometers.
No-brainer.
we could send them to Luton Bradford Leicester or Birmingham and nobody would notice.
eu should sanctions UK for this.
There goes UK's trade deal with USA 😂😂😂😂😂
With friends and neighbours like Sunak, who needs enemas?
Upsetting neighbours has consequences. No doubt the far right will cheer.
stormont in a teacup?
I said 18 months ago that we could solve the dinghy problem by simply building a refugee centre in Northern Ireland, half a mile from the border. And forget to lock the gates, accidentally.
This has been happening since 2016-17 Brexit panic. So actually. Everyone is acting silly... Because it's been happening for aaaaaaaggggggessss 😂
Why would they be worried about coming here when only 200 are being sent to Rwanda, when 6000+ have already crossed.
They are lawyers and engineers bound for better things don’t be insolent
Doubt it's the rewanda scheme is to blame. Its to far off. These migrants will move to where they get most benefits. Where they can earn money.
The common travel area only applies to UK citizens and to Irish citizens.
Send sunak to Ireland to deter anyone.
No thanks ....sunak is your problem!
so are they getting boats to English coasts then travelling to Scotland to cross into northern Ireland where is evidence they are travelling to Scotland and who is putting the transport on for them or are they walking the length of the uk by foot .
Ireland has not managed to return or deport any so-called asylum seekers. The common travel area turns out to facilitate an increased flow of migrants. I would not be so sure the UK will want to do anything.
Man, we've totally shafted Ireland since brexit. First we screwed them over the N.Ireland border now this?
Try for hundreds of years.
@@garytaylor6408 Mate, I wouldn't be surprised if they declared war 😀
@@garytaylor6408 You mean a good thousand, don't you? The English have been interfering with Ireland since before the time of the Norman Conquest.
@@jackdubz4247and the Irish have been interfering with Britain for just as long thanks to Irish colonisation Scotlands native language was destroyed and replaced with Gaelic
@@thomasbootham2707Britain didn't exist back then. These we're Celtic islands and we all spoke Gaelic before the Anglo Saxons arrived and started speaking so called English.
Stop your BS rubbish.
he said he stopping the boats how come nearly 1 000 Crossed yesterday dont call that stopping the boats in sunak dreams
They can't force them back to GB but they can force them back to the UK. Sammy Wilson may not be happy to find refugee camps springing up around Larne.
open camps in Larne with 1 weeks notice when they will be flown to Rwanda, 1 week later Larne camp is empty flight is canceled and they are all back in ROI
@@graveperil2169
Good Irish Reunification arguments
@@roisinmalone3015 not from the UK view gives us a nice dumping ground back to the EU
@@graveperil2169
There won't be any UK post unification and this is a good argument for unification.
The only view that matters re Irish reunification is the view in Ireland and this as I said gets added to the list re why Ireland needs to be in control of its own island, all of it 👍
@@roisinmalone3015 but why would all your new Afghans, Iranian and Turkish want to vote for unification? 5M pop will not take that many to shift the voting turn out
Don't worry. Once the North Sea weather improves the small boats will dump their refugees on UK beaches in numbers that will swamp whatever deportations to Rwanda may achieve; Sunak made reducing those his promise, and if Labour keeps stress on that, this Ireland thing will go away. It's just a topic of conversation for one Monday morning at the coffee machine.
Rishi Sunak's Rwanda scheme. There, fixed it.
All they're doing is taking alternative routes
To get to the UK. Not to the republic.
@@johnrussell3961They are coming into ROI via NI.
@@cjm3109and they'll be sent back to England via NI.
We're just about to pass emergency legislation.
@@RazorMouthYes I know.
@RazorMouth the legislation will only allow removal of people who claimed in the UK and then decided afterwards to go to Ireland. That is probably a large chunk of people atm. It doesn't apply to people who have been smuggled all the way across Europe to Ireland. The UK-Ireland agreement will be helpful but it isn't the pancea that the ministers are pretending. As the Maxmillian has said the best hope for Ireland is that the UK government decides its not worth losing the agreement with France and beefs up the UK-Ireland agreement and enforcement efforts. At current numbers he is probably right.
I’m not sure you are correct on the issue of returning asylum seekers to the UK. The Irish High Court decision is a joke.
Why?
Would you consider the UK a safe country re asylum seekers?
@@roisinmalone3015 Ireland can do a $unak and declare the UK a safe country 🙂
@@grahamlees4394
They're going to try that next week but it could go to the supreme Court and Ireland has a written codified constitution that the Government has to adhere to, Britain doesn't
I wonder what the number are? If its high it shows the policy is working.
Source: The Guardian
"Ireland plans to return asylum seekers to the UK under new emergency laws, in an effort to stem arrivals through Northern Ireland. The Taoiseach, Simon Harris, wants the proposals brought to cabinet next week amid concern that Rishi Sunak's Rwanda plan was rerouting asylum seekers from the UK."
Right so he wants to break the GFA by having border posts just to return asylum seekers?
Wanting to get to the UK, is not the same as coming from the UK.
@@johnrussell3961
They're from the UK, they're crossing from NI to ROI
@@johnrussell3961But they are coming from the UK. That's the whole point!
@@johnrussell3961 Apparently there are big problems in Ireland now. Just see
"The rise and cost of Ireland’s the anti-migrant movement" by Channel 4
and
"How anti-immigrant sentiment is emboldening Ireland's far right" by Irish Times
Sunak has caused such a mess.Get him out
Wasnt it Max who said the Rwanda idea was just a gimmick and wouldnt be a deterrent? 😂
Anyway, didn't Denmark try this and it didn't work?
Rwanda has to be a more attractive option than living in a tent along the windswept Liffey. The asylums seekers allowance is 38 euro a week.
Well basically whatever Kate Hoey wants done (and suprise suprise she's talking of getting rid of the CTA) do the exact opposite.
Ireland is one of the best places to migrate too. Routes from Dover to Holyhead and Dublin are being processed too as we speak
would they not have to go through britain first before going to ireland or do they row right round the south of england?
These are asylum seekers in Britain that are fleeing Britain and going to NI and into Ireland because of the Rwanda policy
@@roisinmalone3015 ok I see now, thanks.
@@donaldmackinnon4621 Still how did they get over to Ireland Roisin?. They didn't swim from the UK over to Ireland.Or lasoo a seagull and water ski across. And according to the Tories they ditch their ID in the channel on the way over or the smugglers keep it.
EU can’t force Britain to take them back end of story, think about it.
Ireland is a super expensive country and no way they can accommodate people , there is just no infrastructures for them , not even abandoned houses / sports facilities they can squat . They will have to sleep rough in the cold and the dampness and so they will leave . The country itself will be a deterrent for them , if they think they will arrive in a ´ normal ‘ European country they will have a big big shock 😳 !
Absolote rubbish
It depends what channel you watch. Look at the video of a Sudanese healthy fighting man in Calais saying the Rwanda plan is not going to stop him and others reaching the Uk illegally as they know Rwanda bill will only sending a small % of us there.
I said on the day this chap came to power for the Conservatives he is unfit to take charge of this country and it's true and I'm only a pensioner so why couldn't others see this. 😡😡😡😡
Ireland could send them back via northern ireland
Migrants not refugees