Brexit - Judge Rules Immigration Bill Unlawful In Northern Ireland!
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- A judge in the High Court in Belfast as ruled that part of the Illegal Migration Bill 2023 cannot apply to Northern Ireland as it would breach the Windsor Framework. This is both a headache for the DUP and Rishi Sunak.
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This country is an Eton mess.
😂😂You’ve got to laugh at Sunak.His whole era as Prime Minister has completely fallen apart.He’s only hanging on so he can get his Rwanda policy through.Anyone else would have said,’RIGHT GENERAL ELECTION TIME’.He knows he’s going to get a beating and he’s dragging it out.
@@DerekHarrison-ue9vv yep.....he'll hang on as long as possible. That rwanda policy is just insane, ignoring any ethical problems for a moment.....for £1.8 million per person you could get them processed, fluent in english, teach them a trade and GIVE them a house making them a productive member of society and have money left over.
It always is 😂
There are three contributary factors for you terse but astute judgement
One long term factor Margaret Thatcher
one proximate factor Brexit
one immediate Factor which coincides with the long term factor Murdoch and the British Media
but also one ultimate factor issuing from all the above
A badly educated, misinformed electorate which is being incited by Nigel Farage, the Brexiteers and they are immediately responsible for the hysteria ,the paranoia and the debacle of Brexit, It has been a disaster and it has contributed to Britain becoming an irrelevance, and a laughing stock, but they all accomplishing two agendas which are the Pathology of Fascism. The cynical:) agenda of the very rich which resent a globalism because it has standards ad regulation and international:) organisations and Putin's objective of destroying the EU which constitutes an obstacle to his nostalgic objective of creating a Fascist version of the old Soviet Union. They are both cynical:),indifferent to the mayhem they are trying to create, and if the planet is sacrificed to their avarice and cynicism and nostalgia they do not care a jot about the suffering and the disaster they visit on the next generation, but Murdoch and Trump and Putin are the synergy of our crisis and the hysteria currently visited upon the Anglosphere , It is a conspiracy, you can tell that from the obduracy or stupidity of the US Supreme Court and the media giving precedence to people of low intellect, no integrity obsessives like Bannon and Murray and other reactionaries whose own obsessions have become a contagion.. We are living through a crisis which not only afflicts England but civilisation and the prospects for the survival:) of the planet. I am 82 and I have watched these factors converge to exert their malign effect. I do not wish to cite my qualifications because it seems l:)ike boasting and there are too many immodest people sounding off, but but I am Environmental Scientist with experience of France, Germany, ,Russia and Sweden which is a nice cross section of information and experience to venture this judgement, but no one takes notice. There is another dynamic change which may inform the chauvinism the Racism and the misogyny and that is that modern electronic technology has changed the labour market in favour of women, it is an unprecedented and sudden change within two decades, and it has destabilised the industrial society .we are not alone but we will be if Farage and Reform are al)owed such prominence as they currently enjoy.. I would be glad if you could relay this ,I am too old to exert myself beyond comment
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Beautifully put !
This government does not care about Northern Ireland. It would be entirely different if this was London being affected in this way.
To be fair London is a more fair place than anywhere else in the U.K. & NI.
@@adblocker276 I agree London is a nice place. The point I was making is that if the rules affected those in charge, who are based in (central) London, they would change them so as not to inconvenience them or to feather their own nests. They only care if it directly affects them.
It’s Irish land ya tit. Wtf planet are you on in this day and age. All English off our land and take the migrants you are flooding our country with you!
@@andyzandy4999you've clearly never visited London. I've never read such crap in all my life.
This is true. It is more important for the UK government to appeal to English xenophobes than to Northern Irish xenophobes. If they have to sacrifice Northern Irish xenophobes to give English xenophobes what they want, they will. There are a lot more votes, money, etc. in a country of 55 million than in a country of 2 million (or whatever the precise numbers are).
Project Fear becomes Project Reality!
Over and over again....
Complete & utter mess.
You have to wonder what those that voted for the Conservatives in 2010 and 2019 are thinking now.Cameron’s reckless referendum got the wheels in motion and they fell off when he ran off! Nothings been right since,and look how difficult the likes of May,Johnson, Truss and Sunak have found it being Prime Minister and the shitshow they’ve left the nation in.😾
It’s been a complete mess since Cameron ran off after he lost his reckless referendum.May,Johnson,Truss and Sunak have all found it difficult being Prime Ministers.You have to wonder what the people who voted for this shower are thinking of now?
Eton mess
I'm a Spanish Hospital Operating Theatre Practitioner, trained at Guys and with over 35 year experience in the field. I would seriously consider returning to London to work in that most needed speciality, but only if they put my balls in a vice
Lololo.... brilliant ..😂😂 but sounds nasty ..😂
I distinctly recall Sunak stating in the Commons that he will not allow a foreign court to scupper his Rwanda plans.
To continue this chaotic insanity Sunak has only one choice - sever the UK Union of Northern Ireland to release it as an independent country. Sunak hasn't got any Parliamentary time to make a start on such madness.... so again this points to what the public is begging Sunak to do - Call the General Election now!
"sever the UK Union of Northern Ireland to release it as an independent country." This would violate the 1998 UN registered Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement, as well as starting a civil war within the UK, which, apart from the immorality of such, would cost a lot of money.
@@odunadhaigh I did say it's chaotic insanity....
@odunadhaigh
Who within the UK would partake in a civil war over this?
The IRA and the DUP? Probably loads of sectarian groups you are unaware of
If Northern island joins the EU we could all go !
The right doesn’t like human rights.
Correct. Hague's Tories voted against the Human Rights Act in 1998. The Tory Party are opposed to anyone but them and their cronies having any rights. The election can't come quick enough
I'm a socialist and have serious concerns on how human rights are being used today, how they have been weaponized to force mass economic migration in the West. They were never intended to be duplicity used like they are now.
@@patc9518 I don’t understand your choice of words:
weaponised to force
That’s loaded right wing language from my perspective. But I’m interested in hearing you out if you could be more specific.
@@patc9518 What you SHOULD be concerned about is that migrants are denied the humane right to seek asylum.
Clarity is never a strength of the Tory’s, reminds me of Brexit means Brexit. What we need is a General Election and this hopeless Tory government is put into the dustbin of history.
Yet one of the favourite phrases of so many Tories has been 'crystal clear' in recent times. These people need well and truly dealt with...and I'm talking more than just losing their jobs as MPs. I'd like to see immediate investigations kicking off all of the place about the wasting of public money and lack of accountability. Hopefully at least some of these bar stewards will end up criminalised.
STOP the World. I want to get off.
I agree the world is in a sorry state, where things that should be wrong are suddenly right, the whole world is back to front.
Your political home, Canada has a way of dealing with that problem. Have a great day .
I'm sick of these Tories. Get them out! Other countries would have dragged them out of their offices by now.
@@theworldaccordingto4555 There must be some proper lampposts somewhere in London that they could be suspended from.
Sunak says he is going to "appeal" this High Court ruling (which simply affirms that NI follows the European Convention on Human Rights as it is obliged to do in the Good Friday Agreement and the Windsor Framework). Presumably therefore the "appeal" has to be on the basis that UK citizens can legally and constitutionally have their basic human rights removed by a simple Act of Parliament, the arbitrary passing of which by any government supersedes the country's own treaty obligations to uphold human rights, as well as superseding both the Belfast Agreement Treaty and the Withdrawal Treaty which it signed too. What's more, he claims, this has already happened, meaning no one in the UK now has human rights - they have been legislated out of existence.
Ignorance or fascism? You decide.
If you are a UK citizen this is the time when you should start worrying - a lot! But be quick about it. The right to worry is just about the only right you still have left according to Sunak (his latest election "speech" in fact indicates his whole strategy depends upon you doing just that). His advice that you should be worried about an "axis of authoritarian evil" is probably the only honest thing he has said as prime minister. Starting with him.
Didn’t he read the Windsor Frame Work? The EU got the Tories to agree to put back those GFA rights superceded by Brexit.. Now they are back via something brand new that supersedes Brexit.,
In addition, the Illegal Migration Act breaks article 31 of the UN Convention on Refugees by denying boat arrivals since March 2023 the right to claim asylum. Lots of legal cases to come!
I can't see the little weed appealing to anyone, especially with a general election on the horizon.
He can appeal all he wants, but nobody will have him.
Who would listen to wee pint pot" most what he spouts is either bullshit or lies takes the public as fools we have had enough of this corrupt government.
Integrity, professionalism and accountability.
Fucking worm.
Sunak can kiss his green card goodbye if he tries to withdraw from the human rights act?!
Sunak said in his garbled message yesterday that he was the only one who could stand up to Russia and China. How would anyone know he was standing up?
Another poodle speech. We will stand up , by barking from inside the legs of the USA..
a bit sizest against the pint size loser
Now they will go for our human rights our safety net
Been on the agenda from the start.
Judging by the polls, the local election results and news coverage including stuff like court rulings like this, to paraphrase Michael Gove: the people of the UK are sick of listening to extremists.
Brendan O'Leary did know the human rights in Northern Ireland would become an issue: dismissed as 'project fear'. When Jeffrey Donaldson was speaking on 23 June 2016 on Irish radio show The Late Debate about what he called "a silly debate about whether we'll have the odd border post or passport checks", he was asked to "take your pick" between a land border or passport controls between N Ireland and Britain and Donaldson said "If we have passport controls in Liverpool does that matter to me? Absolutely not". Still available to listen to online
Sunak says Scottish independence supporters are extremists. Breaking up 'his' country. UK isn't a country it's a state..and what a state it's in now. The Tories have broken up the UK by putting a border between GB and n Ireland
Somebody needs to remind Sunak that Scotland voted overwhelmingly to Remain ( 62%)...and in a Democracy, it's up to the PEOPLE of said country to decide on self-determination, and that Democracy is a FLUID thing...unlike their definition..you had democracy in 2014... end of story...
They want to return to the EU and remain in the ECHR. It’s a strange world if that’s extremism..
There has been a partitionist border on the Island of Ireland for over 100 years now. Do keep up
@@user-po2qb6cm9q . It’s more like a demarcation line. A border implies passport and customs checks.,
@@user-po2qb6cm9qFortified border towers in my lifetime.
DUP are not exactly bright sparks.....
How bright is sinn fein?
Ladies please you’re trying to differentiate between dog shit and cat shit .
Neither one cares about the people of Northern Ireland .
yup quite the knife draw full of foam hammers
Nowt to do with the DUP.
@@george-ev1dq it is though
Britain is a mess....
Considering the number of lawyers in parliment, they do their best to make everything so complicated that nothing gets done
and so many holes and loopholes to keep their lawyer mates in business
Good morning Max and all here. Tired and sick 🤢 of extremists voices. They want to get out from Europe human rights court. And? Be with Russia and Belarus? Aren't all fighting for ukrainia against Russia? Who understands it?
A lot of right wing nut jobs are in favour of Putin. They pick this up from the mostly American pro Trump and other conspicuous CZcams and other nut job conspiracy sites. I even had an argument with someone last week about this who was trotting out the conspiracy lines about Ukraine Russia
Extremists always claim there is another obstacle in the way of their extremism. It was the EU. Now it’s the ECHR. Next it will be the UN.
We don’t want it the British public don’t want it
I have never seen such a terrible mess of a government in all my 75 years! I despair for the next generation 😢
The next generation are more passive, they will do little or nothing to stop the politicians' insanity. And then there are the wokes.. Supporting Ukraine has always been a big mistake. This was a war started by powerful people from the New World Order, wef.... Ukraine was used...
Sunak did not see that one coming. What the hell is going on ... incompetence and stupidity
Well when you force a Bill through Parliament (just because you have an unearned stonking great majority) which essentially decrees that black is white, you aren't exactly telling people that you're the sharpest tool in the box.
You couldn’t make this stuff up. FOR GOODNESS SAKE GIVE US THE GENERAL ELECTION NOW!
This shows that the ECHR has clout in NI whilst within the rest of the UK the PM is trying to remove Human Rights and specifically the UK from the ECHR.
This is all very deliberate. This ruling came as no surprise to the government! As if they don't have lawyers.. These people know exactly what they're doing. After the British actually voted for brexit, I find this all extremely worrying. Our human rights will be on the ballot next!!!
It doesn’t appear that Tories ever read what they agree too.
A deal on goods across the Irish Sea was porked by the EU to clarify rights.
That's been the agenda since before Cameron was the Prime minister.
Take the P&O dismissals as an example of no human rights, Remember Singapore on Thames because that is the direction you're heading fast. I fascist state all but name
It feels as if they woul'nt care. Maybe they have more important things to do than running the country.
All the other problems appear to have come as a surprise. Or are you claiming theres some coherent plan hidden in there somewhere?
Meanwhile the boats still come regardless of what the court rules.
Unification of Ireland is only way to solve this mess.border sorted!
This mess? There are others to focus on too where the Brits have drawn lines on maps and buggered off home - Palestine, Mesopotamia, Kashmir, Hong Kong. Notice a pattern?
@@LL-vk9zc We’ve got previous experience on this, which means we’re great at it, so we should definitely do it!
Yeah coz the south haven't got there own problems with immigration
Well unification of Ireland and Scottish independence is almost inevitable. I just hope it can be managed without acrimoney.
There is one little problem with your solution - the Irish people would have to vote on it, accept paying for it and keep the Unionists.... and you are talking about an electorate that are not even willing to pay water rents..... never mind see the bodies of dead Irish soldiers, sailors and Grada coming home in body bags.....
Brexiteers gave us a 💩🥪and we're all having to take a big bite!
The GFA defeats fascism again. 😂
Remarkable thing, the GFA. Bullet proof so far. Even Trump won't touch it
Who’s paying for this!?
That isn’t funny.
Indeed. Yet another example of the Tories just running everything into the ground before their inevitable departure...just so that they can immediately snipe at the incoming Labour government. And many disengaged, docile and unthinking members of the public will blindly go along with that Tory cynicism. These Tory bar stewards need PROPERLY dealt with.
OK, I know I'm getting on a bit, but, Am I the only one who thinks that I remember a time when politics was boring????🤔🤔🤔🤔
Oh Edwina Curry, What a 'scandal that was! (See also Spitting Image and John Major).
It all goes to show the degree to which Sunak and his boys are Babes in the Wood when it comes to politics. Tories out now and let some real politicians take over. Currently it's just rich boys playing games.
So ignore the judge. One more sin by our gov surely wont be noticed.
Jail might make him think again 😂
Brexitears will be ecstatic about this, this is after all what they all knew that they were voting for right?
Some of the ill educated cave people who voted for Brexit will see N Ireland as another Rwanda for the migrants “and Ireland 🇮🇪 as a whole “
But I thought NI was part of the UK 😂😂😂😂😂 dear oh dear. Could we have some adults in charge please
Correct it is part of the UK however has its own devolved government much like Scotland and Wales
Lots of other people think so too. About the same number of people think it ought not be. Geography shows us clearly that NI is a part of Ireland, the northern bit, not the western part of Britain.
@@LL-vk9zc No part belongs to Britain.... NI is part of The UK. hence the title of the UK ( United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)
@@chrisw8284you are a big problem spreading that BS.
@@cowansimstudio
It's not really, it has one foot out the door, sectors work on an all island basis eg agriculture agrifoods Tourism environment biodiversity etc, some health aspects.
Plus NI has an open land border with Ireland and has frictionless access to the EU Single Market re goods.
It's almost as if the policy was ill thought out,wishful thinking combined with desperate gimmickry dreamt up by a fool in order to keep Mail and Express readers happy..........
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Who'd have thought that having a physical land border as opposed to a sea border would lead to such complications....well an ordinary person except brexiteers.....
Any person who understood British colonisation of Ireland would.
You'd think people would know their own history.
99.99% of brexiteers couldn't draw the NI border on a map.
No British Government or anyone else had or ever will have the right to draw any border on the island of Ireland. They never did nor they never will. Partition was a sectarian act by the British Government. "Sectarianism is the life blood of partition"
The British Government forced it upon the Irish people down the barrel of gun. Also before you answer me don't waste the effort dragging out the pathetic and stupid ignorant unionist misinformation.
NI does not have a border
It does. There's no infrastructure but it's still a border.
@george-ev1dq
@@aaronbrown545 the border was created by the free state not NI, time to close it.
to be fair I doubt if too many people in Ireland could either
Thank you Max ❤
The GFA assumed EU membership. There are parts of the GFA that require NI to uphold EU principles, even after Brexit.
Rights cannot change at the border. I’m not suprised that a rights judgment in Dublin is deemed for all of the Island, not just the republic. And vice versa when it comes to a rights judgment in Belfast..
@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn Brexit superseded much of the GFA. So the EU conned Sunak into putting it all back via the Windsor Framework..
@@johnrussell3961 Brexit happened after the GFA, it did not supercede it. The GFA is an international treaty that trumps any unilateral domestic political shenanigans. Brexit was never thought through legally, or practically, the UK Gov has been winging it ever since and tying themselves in knots. It's hilarious to watch them posing as statesmen and leaders while we can all see their total ineptidude. Dramatic irony is extremely entertaining.
@@bcgraham3512 . Brexit was formal agreement between the UK and the EU. And the EU came to realise Barniers original WA took GFA rights away.
So they conned Sunak into putting them back via the Windsor Framework.
@@johnrussell3961 Not so sure about that. EU insurance policy was always divergence, guaranteed under the Tory vision of Brexit. Once it emerged and was conceded by May/Johnson that NI had to remain under ECHR to satisfy GFA, game was lost for DUP. If WM tries to enforce divergence in NI, EU will kick back so UK screwed even if it leaves ECHR. UK cannot mess with GFA so NI remains under ECHR, even if GB leaves.
The Windsor Framework was concocted to address issues raised by the DUP, nobody else. It was demanded by the DUP as their price for a return to Stormont.
All of the issues raised were known in advance by all sides except the DUP/Tories. Even Jim Allister had a handle on it and saw the dangers for unionism but only after the Brexit vote. They were giddy with the ERG promise of a hard border.
Gove claimed afterwards that they always intended to try to pull apart the WA. Maybe. More likely incompetent negotiators and political masters. They were told to sod off and the last lever they had was/is NI. Migration is the hot topic now. DUP caught between a rock, a hard place and an even harder place - never mind ongoing legal matters for the former leader.
@@bogbay The BBC reported the EU had porked the Windsor Framework, to give back to the GFA what Brexit had taken away. Brexit and the GFA are incompatible .
So border checks at the seaports. DUP won't like that.
Checking for asylum seekers can’t be done in land. If they get to NI they are free to get a bus to Dublin and claim asylum there. Check on people will have to beefed up at the ferry ports.
The ROI should send the immigrants back to France and France should provide safe small boats that they can go back to the UK but only if they want .... After they made this round trip they will not leave Britain to NI again.... It costs ROI only the ferry boat ticket....
@@klausschumacher7126 . Plug the hole……then bale out the boat.
@@klausschumacher7126 Can we stop playing ping pong with their lives? I'm no fan of large scale migration, I don't think it's sustainable financially and logistically, but let's not treat migrants as political ping pong balls to be tossed around from one country to another. There should be a serious and urgent discussion at UN level about revising the 1951 Refugee Treaty.
@@klausschumacher7126 Write to your MEP then with your suggestion.
If the people in NI had any sense they’d switch over from GB to the ROI.
It is called a border poll. The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland refuses to call for one and even the Labour Leader said he wouldn't even if the Northern Assembly request it..
Entering a country without authorisation is unlawful, too. It used to be anyway.
You can’t make this up! What a bloody mess, which I hope will at least result in a United Ireland 🇮🇪.
26 county independence in 1922 and onwards resolved many many issues in the free state/republic.
There won't be an Ireland if the migration is not stopped, both north and south will go down the tubes, Irish people north and south will be forced to flee their own country thanks to bertie ahern and the present bunch of politicians destroying our crumbling nation.
@@yipzoe3865
The weak the cowardly will always choose coin over country.
@@yipzoe3865
You’re assumption that it would be a worse option may be incorrect and even if true i’d rather be poor than to live under rule of an occupying enemy state .
@@yipzoe3865are you as thick as two shots planks, with a U Ireland the six counties would be in a far better place without even mentioning been part of the EU. Your point of former colonies been poorer, the brits left them with the conditions ripe for a civil war so they could look back and say they can't govern themselves
Rishi will throw anyone under the bus if he thinks it will help him
Chickens are coming home to roost.
Remember Brexiters, you said you knew what you were voting for.
What a complete and utter mess.
Where’s the guy who was sent to Rwanda? He’s disappeared lolollll
He's changing his ID so that he can scam another 3k.
@@TheBigMidweek1889 good for him , I've had nothing from this govt
@@TheBigMidweek1889
It’s the Tories that have done the real scamming. They’ve been filling their boots for 15 years. Time to show them the door.
The tories don’t care about anyone
“In many ways brexit isn’t completely solved” ah fckn belter man
Can the brits stop being bad neighbours for 29 minutes
Doesn't seem like it, it's England that's the problem.
Simple dont let them cross into northern ierland
Checkpoints at ferry and airports
Northern ierland is governed
By its own parliament
As is scotland and wales
So keep them
In holding centres till processed or deported.
But you still have to prove the identity of everyone first, which is what the UK government is NOT doing.
No change there then,what's the point of parliament when any law past by the government can be overturned by unelected judges
Waste of time wasting your time voting
As an economic migrant why wouldn't you make your claim in a successful English speaking country with access to both the UK and all of Europe rather than in the UK.
""As British as Finchley" - except for loads of things like this, and the Good Friday Agreement, and the fact that all people born in the six counties can claim Irish citizenship. The obvious solution is to respect the democratic will of the Irish people (GE 1918) and always a majority since then, re-unite Ireland.
I quote: "The obvious solution is to respect the democratic will of the Irish people (GE 1918) and always a majority since then, re-unite Ireland." That is no longer possible since the 1998 UN-registered Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement requires a majority in each jurisdiction to want unity. The wishes expressed in the 1918 General Election should have been honoured then rather than Ireland being unfairly partitioned into a 26-county part and a 6-county part.
@@chrisw8284take your own advise dear.
anyone with sense, reason and a fraction of a brain will know that northern ireland just has to be treated different with brexit.
its just geographically a different place.
That " judge " needs sacked and sent to jail this has destroyed the uk and its destroying Ireland we need people with common sense in these positions facts over feelings needs to be a thing again..
"In many ways, brexit isn't completely solved". Come on Sam, please stop beating about the bush. I wish journalists could be much more brutally direct about stuff like this. Why can't he say something like "this is another example of the totally disastrous mess that brexit has forced on the UK"? I'm sure people like Sam and Beth Rigby are actually decent journalists, but it's almost as if they're directed not to be too direct.
It's obvious why... because if they push too much, they might not get any guests. At the end of the day, both the guest and the journalists must be ok with the interview. And someone can just say no to appearing on their show. They don't have to do interviews.
@@octavianpopescu4776 That's fair enough...but there isn't a guest in sight in this piece...the chat's between Sam and Sophie Ridge. All they have to do is speak the unambiguous truth as analysis. They could then invite folk to come on and directly try to prove them wrong. I know this isn't how mainstream political journalism works...but I'm just trying to express how I think it should work (for the better). There doesn't need to be any personal attacks involved by the journalists.
@@octavianpopescu4776 Of course, this COULD go too far! Channel 4 News struggle to get any discourse with leading Tories, such is their intimidating directness. James O'Brien (who I am currently boycotting ironically because of the Sangita fiasco) also falls into this category. He's certainly not held back at times, but has alienated himself from direct dialogue. I'm not sure he would have a good temperament anyway. I remember his ding dong with Rees-Mogg...and I don't think JOB covered himself in glory, losing the rag a bit too much for my liking. The best political interviewer in recent times (imho) was Eddie Mair...so experienced, professional, direct, calm..and so deliciously sardonic. He sh*t all over Johnson and regularly cut Truss to pieces. I miss him on the scene.
the poor old planters hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You couldn't make it up--- oh wait 😅😅😅😅😅😅
Would this be the same 'Windsor Framework' that was negotiated by Riski Sunackered?
‘Scattergun' Sunak was well pleased with himself when that occurred, what with its jazzy, stately self-important title.
The elephant in the room is the rwanda diversion
It also gives the illegal immigrants a safe route into the UK from France, take the ferry to Ireland and cross the border into Northern Ireland and apply for asylum. It will be cheaper and safer.
NI is protected from the Tories attempt at leaving the ECHR and ignoring UN charters.
Asylum is a human right, and it has to be the same north and south.
Shared rights under the ECHR is a GFA requirement..
@@johnrussell3961and what’s to stop a high number of migrants applying for asylum in NI now, even if they’re rejected they won’t be sent to Rwanda from NI, could this not just lead to loads coming to NI now?
And cause the collapse of the Irish state, and when the Irish state goes under it also takes with the UKs largest trading partner worth between 75 and 113 billion pounds mostly favours the UK, yet another double barrel shot gun blowing another foot off the UK.
England should leave the UK rather than the ECHR.
That should have been the vote in 2016.
NI has no right to question Westminster law
We're just not believing in it hard enough!
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I wonder does it stop Ireland sending back the British planter’s that they have had to endure for the past few hundred years
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@@user-yn4gn5hr6y truth be told I can’t live without them life would be to f…king boring
@@user-yn4gn5hr6y Saor Alba
I understand you're comments but they are very unhelpful at a time when we need common sense.
@@andrewcooney2387 but humour is how we dealt with hundreds or years of suffering and occupation
There are also temporary passport checks within the EU and the ROI should do it according to the EU guidelines. This is not a permanent border post what the DUP is wishing for.
The DUP will do everything that is necessary (in their minds) to destroy The Good Friday Agreement. That was the only reason they voted for Brexit.
It will probably stir up the brexit nut jobs wanting to leave the ECHR.
"differences to how the law is applied in Northern Ireland compared to the rest of Great Britain" ... NO! Northern Ireland is not a part of Great Britain. It is a part of the UK. As the Goodies used to say "GET IT RIGHT!"
My bloody pressure just goes up the Tories.
Sunak is far too self interested in his own policies to even acknowledge such legal issues.
Those tents don't appear to be large enough to stretch out and lay down on. Do they actually sleep in them? Or only go into them sometimes for show? Aren't they the sort of tents that people take when they go river fishing? To sit in if it rains? Or for children to play in, in their back gardens?
Here is another reason you cannot govern by referendum, the Brexit vote was far to complex to be left to a population who can be swayed by slogans like oven ready 😂 and we want or country back. It’s truly embarrassing.
Yet it works fine in Switzerland.
@@kayveen5853 Not really. Switzerland is protected by a class of superb administrators, which are great at blunting the most suicidal decisions.
The question was overly simplistic. There should have been multiple options, or a two phase referendum. Every Brexit voter was able to imagine the version they wanted when it is obvious that any one of those options would never get 50% support when up against remaining in the EU.
It is bizarre how Brexit just keeps on giving a crock of dog pooh
That GFA was a very well written document. I guess it had to be, to have brought an end to the troubles. Well done to all those who were involved with putting it together.
Now if only Israel and Palestine could follow suit.
It left out EU membership was an obligation. No one imagined a populist like Cameron would turn up.
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This is why the NIP exists, to protect the GFA...
It's a real pickle!
Easy solution...... put full border controls at Larne and Belfast harbours lol
It wasn't Ed Milliband in Salmond's pocket but May in Forster's which was the problem.
Will the last tory with braincells, please turn the light off when you leave.
They can't do anything right. Even the bad things lol
Wont somebody think of Jamie Bryson in all this!!
morning Max...why oh why did they not just carry on doing it PROPERLY from 2010???
Because Brexit made the numbers of migrants arriving in dinghies rise. Given that EU independent border control was a major selling point of Brexit, Brexiteers were extra determined that no Brexit failure should relate to border control.
Maybe they should have thought through all the issues Brexit would cause before they implemented it.
Quality Max...as always
Nice
If you're Irish, come into the parlour....!
Union?
That’s a misnomer.
The English Government, run by English Nationalists are most definitely not speaking for the other countries. We never even gave them a mandate.
Dissolve the U.K.
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They have a “Plan”. Just wait for it to work …..
in many ways brexit is not fully solved .Has sky just noticed that brexit does not work???
Oliver Cromwell: "Hung Parliament?
Maximilien Robespierre: "Oui!"
There’s not going to be much behind left with the rate of all this Brexit biting
"Welcome to the divided kingdom
of great britain, visitors from
across the pond! Would you happen
to be from the divided states of
america? Good to have you!"
Passport border at the Irish Sea.
Don't tell me these migrants worked this out for themselves. They have been given legal advice on how to excape being deported to Rwanda now the question is why have they been told?
This guy in Paris wanted to go Rwanda. What’s the cheapest way? His mates said claim asylum in the UK embassy. They give you a free ticket and £3000 spending money..
"why have they been told?" Because not all solicitors lie to their clients.
Tried to warn you… 🤦♀️
Ultimately, you can count on Sunak for inaction.
Sunack needs the flood of migrants into the south of Ireland via the north in order to support the argument in favour of brexit, he must show the EU failing. That can only be done by destroying the Irish state. It's a very clever move by sunack and the tories, but it will lead ultimately to serious civil unrest in the British Isles, but sunack doesn't give a dam about this.
Not another hurdle for the Rwanda Plan? What a surprise! 😅😅😅
Would asylum seekers really want to leave a war zone but then move to NI stuck in the 17th century!
Utter fiasco!
Sunakered has basically said he doesn't care about the treaties, agreements and arrangements that RoI, NI and UK have regarding borders, he just thinks stamping his feet will get his way like a petulant brat, and the irony, oh the irony, of going to the high court to strip people of human rights to get his way, when the high court already ruled the rwanda plan as unlawful, he can get in the sea, he is such a waste of oxygen...
Open border or hard border, if they want to go Ireland they'll go - they don't respect laws.
This will probably led to a large movement of migrants from Britain to n.Ireland
So So funny, both sides of the devide I am sure thay will welcome the migrants with open ARM's.