Building a Better Worship Band
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- čas přidán 12. 12. 2012
- Building a Better Worship Band
Norm Stockton: Bassist/Clinician, Coast Hills Community Church (Aliso Viejo, CA)
Carl Albrecht, Professional Drummer & Percussionist
Ben Gowell,Music Director, Christ's Church of the Valley
Ed Kerr, Worship Pastor, Newlife Church (Port Orchard, WA)
I would say that from previous experience in churches I played at, up until the most recent one I got connected with, we NEVER used clicks - the biggest struggle we dealt with was the dynamics changed too much and we never had consistency, leadership didn't emphasize this enough and there were so many times I nearly left a worship team because people didn't take practice seriously. Now we utilize Ableton and the click is just in our ears. I think it's taken my ability to play in a worship team from a basic level up to a professional level. I feel consistency that I never had and the frustrations have gone away completely from playing with different people in teams week after week.
It's always good to improve and learn new things! Great video
Love the overplaying demo at the end. Point well made.
very informational! love it!
God Bless!
Thank you for such videos :) God bless them
This is so inspiring thank you sirs.
Thank you for explaining that becoming more professional doesn't mean you're less spiritual. 5:25-33ish
Great stuff!
Using a metronome is a standard tool when doing music lessons, when learning time signatures etc. Playing together people need to have the same knowledge, if they learn differently ( like self taught) people. It does bring players together as a team.
I used to use use a click long , long, ago , I've been backtracking since the days of cassettes , these days my drummer hears the actual version of the song were doing , along with counts For changes' endings , intros, breaks etc......
So much talent... so little said
Oh! Norm! Bassist of Lincoln Brewster!
Tempo is a huge thing in music.
Steve Huber
It’s important but you don’t need to become a robotic player..
TempoPerfect Metronome on the web is a fantastic metronome to download on to you computer and it's FREE.
Jeebus ftw!!!
All due respect. No click please.
I can't believe it took a video to show how to play a 2-5-1 song
My thoughts would be that the more you play with a specific group the less you need to use resources like click track. However, most churches have rotations of teams and we have to resist the knee jerk reaction to call any mechanical approaches to bettering your team as unfounded and not spiritual. It stunts our growth.
agreed, though, that the drummer lead would be hard to work with! He is omniscient. :)
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what I received here talking about an audience sounds like performance entertainment we do spontaneous worship for 2 hours every week try a click track with that I agree drummer should use a metronome at home I don't care how good you think you are there is always going to be a push and A pull in live music
is there anything here about the character of the worship leaders?
That is not the topic that they are talking about. If you want character of the worship leader then search for that.
Pete
No need to be rude about it. He asked a good question.
Use the one that comes with the keyboard for free.
If there is one word I am so frustrated with, with these types of seminars is referring to the congregation as "The Audience". There is only one in "The Audience". That is the one we are to worship. 31:42.
you are so correct
The Lord is the only audience..congregation is one with the band..
Since you apparently know what’s inside the heart of man. I guess that makes you kinda special. For the record. It is not semantics if someone actually feels the a congregation is in fact the, “Audience” they “Perform” for.
As far as who I am and what my resume is. I have been involved in music ministry for over that past 25 years. I have built multiple music teams from the ground up, recorded, written and produced multiple albums of worship music and have been given the privilege of leading multiple worship services with multiple congregations. Including small intimate congregations to large multi-service fellowships. So I've kinda been "doing something". So feel free to look up , Ministry Lounge and House of Ember.
My point was simple. It is that we should all be mindful of who we are preparing our worship for. I was not judging these folks. I shared a frustration. I was simply pointing out that those who are not aware of who they are preparing to worship, I find troubling. Perhaps it was naive of me to believe sharing such a thought could be received as an opportunity for discussion. I stand corrected. I guess it is better for you to judge and shut someone down than to attempt an actual conversation.
I did not judge their hearts. You clearly chose to read into my comment what you wanted to. Which frankly, left you ultimately judging. If you had actually read my comment instead of feeding it with whatever issues you are dealing with, and interpreting and distorting it as you wanted to. You would have clearly read that I in fact, did not call out anyone in this video. What I specifically said was, "these types of seminars". I named no one from this seminar. I Indicted no one from this seminar, or this video. No one was judged. Clearly these facts didn't matter to you. Which is really too bad.
Lastly, you then end of your rant with the statement, "Grow up and do something Godly". I don't know of a more judgmental, and condescending statement than that one. You judge and called into question my maturity, and also the work I have done for the Lord. You don't know anything about me. In any case. I have no issue sharing the work I have in fact accomplished with the leading of God, and I am humbled by the ministries the Lord has given me the responsibility and privileged of being a part of over the last 25+ years. Still you say, "No one here was asking for your resume". Well, if you make the statement, that I am not "DOING ANYTHING" Godly, perhaps you need to understand how words work. It was you who called into question the idea that I had apparently not done anything either in a mature state or Godly fashion. It leaves me to believe you are truly uninterested in an actual adult conversation. So that being said. I shall leave it at that.
AGAIN - is this about building a band or how you should use a metronome
Uh how much did you watch? There's a lot of good info about bands playing in unity which can be done with or without a metronome. The metronome can just help band members, including singers, to keep time with each other.
Metronomes are hugely great and helpful - when rehearsing - yes.
swee abn He said don't let the job and professionalism take you away from worshipping God. Psalms 33:3. So yes this is about worship music. Heart is first, skill is second. But shouldn't you give the Lord your best? Do the best you can. Refinement is a good thing.
I don’t think king David used a click to worship the LORD..🤔
This should be titled "building a better music band" .. where's the worship part?
It's one session at a clinic, we don't know the title of the session. Maybe you should have attended the other breakaway, I don't know...
Your missing the point of the video.
+justun chan this is strictly about the musicianship behind worship. I'm sure there are other seminars that focus on what you're referring to.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tempos… ? Please fellas… if your drummer can’t “keep the beat”… then it’s time for a new drummer. “It’s better to play without a drummer, than to play against one” Now if you have no drummer and you as a WL can’t keep (or hold) a steady beat, than they might not be ready for leading yet. In my 25 plus years of directing music (full time) / worship leading… the goal is to find musicians that can find the “pocket” rhythmically and jam. Many, many bands throughout the ages have survived perfectly fine without a click track… because they’ve found great musicians. If the drummer needs a metronome for the start of a song (tempo reference) that's reasonable. But for every measure?. How did Stevie Ray, or Eric Clapton, or any musician keep the beat?... it was inherent... Again, if you're good you’re good… Does Paul Baloche or Lincoln Brewster use a click on everything.. .all the time…? I’d be surprised if they do. Why?... Because they’re great musicians. I suppose if you’re addressing the mediocre musicians... I guess I could understand. Now as for the studio and laying down multiple tracks.. .the click track is a MUST. But for live… assuming you have great musicians… NOT needed. To God be the glory!!
Actually at black churches/black side of gospel music we use clicks for live performances, and clicks for shout music/ and studio. The click just fill up some empty spaces, and helps with the worship.
Interesting... I know my preference is to NOT be tethered to a clicking beat in my ear. I think of King David... was his worship not sincere or honoring unto God? Worship is to give God the glory... not give the perfect tempo. Our hearts certainly don't beat statically at one pace or beat... so too should the music we sing have a since of ebb and flow... reacting to a heart response to emotions while honoring God through it. I’ve been in worship bands that have everyone IEM’d up so to listen to the beat unmercifully clicking away… and a part from a hip-hop performance… with looping backtracks, it lacks emotion. To listen to bands that are following click tracks is so noticable... they lack that "real" feel to music and the Spirit. Trust me, if you have a “rocking” drummer… you can bring the house down all for His glory. Great drummers tend to hold back while listening to this click, with fear they’ll play outside the box and get off the click track. Too bad King David had no click track.. otherwise, he would have really understood what worship was. All from the heart my friend... it should be ALL from the heart. All 4 Him! to God be the glory...
Perry Brening Totally missed the point.
the point... is to create awesome music, in this case to honor a great God that is worthy of Praise. one question... Can you create awesome music without a click track? Answer... yes... it's been done for literally thousands of years. my fear... Karaoke Worship. lowellhohstadt.com/a-critique-of-click-tracks-in/ this is a must read... the point will become clear. to God be the glory.
Don't usually get into an internet debates. Creativity is not the issue it's uniformity. As whether we play or act, speak and in our own thoughts. Its uniformity in these these things. We give God glory in ALL. Even with our computers for scriptures say that if we don't give praise, the rocks will shout His praise. Click tracks? I can dig it. even in live worship situations. Good Topic. God Bless.
I have learned this>>>click is My and your Friend!
Did anyone feel like the group sitting up front was unhappy by this presentation? I felt the speakers were a bit arrogant. Then again, what do i know?
Yeah. I'd feel a little overwhelmed myself. When your used to running worship a certain way and you go to a workshop and it tries to "correct" your way worship. Not happening in one try lol.
AMH4brothers If you are used to it a certain way and you don't feel you need any help then why would you go to a workshop? Just saying....
Yeah true. That's why I'm not there lol. I merely looked at the vid to see how people do things differently.
I enjoyed the video actually because they do have a lot of good points. They are pros so if your not one it will seem weird to consider what they do as a good idea. It's possible that your brain is wired to do things different and sometimes that's great and is how original sounds are created, as long as you get others to follow you that works great.
AMH4brothers
41:11 the guy needs some vocal lessons Lol...
we do spontaneous worship at Orlando House of Prayer for 2 hours rehearse that watch CZcams Bethel Church spontaneous worship doing 4 working song preaching little message going out after church and eating fried chicken will not get it
the way these guys talk sounds like they don't know the difference between worship and entertainment performance I know that someone is going to get mad because it said this listen to Kim Walker what she said and I agree if you don't know the difference sit a while till you figure it out
Lets put on a click track and play like robots. Lets not be dynamic and allow the music to evolve naturally....hahahaaaa. I love these guys, but the recent evolution of the whole click thing is no fun (unless when used to fill extra holes in the music). If you want to use clicks for everything in your church, you might as well fire the drummer and use a drum machine......lol. Do you realize they are complaining about the tempo crawling??? Well, in my opinion, the tempo is not crawling. They are just not allowing themselves to be dynamic enough.
+Emmanuel Songsore You can be plenty dynamic while using a click, dynamics are good, but tempo change is not. A click keeps everyone on the same "heartbeat" and is an accountability tool for things like drummers doing too many fills, leaders getting to excited and pushing the tempo too much etc.
+Justin Reynolds good point. I believe that musicians who practice well don't need that accountability tool. I practice with a click...but using it live is not my cup of tea. I am not trying to suggest that I am a wonderful musician though...lol. Secondly, tempo change is not a bad thing. Sudden drastic tempo changes are definitely distracting...but slow and unrecognizable changes in tempo are okay. Also recognize that all these guys running the clinic can play solid worship music without a click track. I also think using backing tracks can be cool in some contexts...so to be clear I am not against playing to a strict tempo. I think it's an issue of personal preference. God bless
Too many chiefs an not enough humble musicians.......
I see the click track as a great tool , but you need to go forward, too long a time on one thing say it and move on
there's no place for performance in a worship meeting or entertainment great musicianship yes shoot the drummer a click track is an absolute joke ever see Jazz musicians use a click track lol spontaneous worship is not a jam session the greatest songs come that way see Bethel Church count the song in your drummer is a metronome check out Don Potter Leonard Jones never use a metronome live it's for Studios pal besides that the music Needtobreathe you probably don't understand that concept there's always going to be a push pull in live music I've been playing drums 50 years so what
Pete I
using the click track in worship is completely ridiculous , performance has no place I have a challenge for you it's called spontaneous worship how are you going to use a click track for that
Clicks don't control the worship, they control the band as far as timing is concerned. To do spontaneous worship you need to have a disciplined band, often times bands take advantage of the word "spontaneous" meaning they could do what they wanted which is more distracting than attracting.
Nobby God was very meticulous in what he did and what he built (exodus 25, deuteronomy 31), he even commanded us to play skillfully (Psalm 33:3) so that his worship is enhanced, but some or many Churches use the words "come as you are" and "spontaneous" just because they don't want to work hard and enhance their skill.
It's the lazy people that stress on the word spontaneous to hide their laziness.
I've been playing drums for 50 years glass in front of drums it is a joke go back and listen you will hear no no cymbals if your drummer don't know how to play get another one I would say 80% of sound guys in church know zero about about drums to make my point watch Eric Clapton My Father's Eyes live no glass in front of the drums my point is learn how to play music
we do spontaneous worship at Orlando House of Prayer for 2 hours rehearse that watch CZcams Bethel Church spontaneous worship doing 4 working song preaching little message going out after church and eating fried chicken will not get it