Replacing a Brake Caliper with Integral Parking Brake - Ford Flex
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2021
- This 2016 Ford Flex came in with a discolored rotor and nothing left of the brake pads. The integral parking brake or wind back style caliper makes it a little more tricky to fix.
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I found it interesting Wes.
Looking in from the outside, while watching American films, especially the big old soft sprung boats from the 70's. You see the whole car lurch as it settles into the next dog in the auto box when people select "Park" without the handbrake on.
You saw people half out of the car & "Lurch!" 🤣
What do you set your torque wrench at when tightening lug nuts, get videos keep up the great work, hi to you and the Mrs from Newfoundland, Canada..
I see you have your own orange Tanya Harding! I had to edit this once I saw the case of wobble pops. Or mountain sodas. Whichever you prefer.
@@dwaynechaulk7387 depends on the car...I have a vauxhall where factory spec is 81ft lbs and a Ford which is 63ft lbs for the wheel nuts.
Thanks, we have a Ford Escape 2018, my son has a Hyundai Elantra 2018, I'll go on the old interweb and find out, I can't find it in owners manual.
-You could have got everything cheaper on rock auto.
-I can't believe you didn't use a torque wrench.
-You're doing it wrong
-Your wife is smoking hot
-You need a power bleeder
-Your lighting sucks
-I can't hear what your saying
-Can you send me a T-shirt
Do I sound like a real CZcams viewer!? Always wondered what it felt like 😏
Sorry, Eric, not enough spelling misteaks. 😁
Dude that is brilliant!!! Now if you can say that you've never had a real job and you're an aspiring rapper/gamer, I'll know you're the real deal.
😂😭🤣 It’s almost as if you’re a CZcamsr yourself!
LOL!
You should call Wes and leave a message on his answer phone.
Wes, you were giving me anxiety-goosebumps when you didn't say 'click' while torquing the lower bracket bolt down. Thanks god you came back to that.
I can't believe you only changed one caliper! Now the car will be spinning out every time you hit the brakes... or so I am told by the CZcams comments. I use the brake job hammer. It makes the job much faster! Oh yeah and everything else Eric said since he got here first!
I really need one of those hammers. The Snap-Off guy couldn't find it in the catalog. He just wanted to trade me an "Epic" toolbox for my everlasting soul...
I agree in this case this one failed why not the otherside.
Not true
The car is equipped with ABS. Would that not take care of any differences in stopping forces between the wheels?
Wes, you can make a simple brake video entertaining. That's why we keep coming back!
And the brake tips throughout the video kept Eric (SMA) Glued to this video and myself as well LOL!
I love the opening shot where Max is lying on the floor patiently waiting for you to open that case of beer....
“Get ready to smash that thumbs down button!”…..😂😂🤣😂🤣. Wes your humor is only surpassed by your skills man. Thanks for including us in your mechanical escapades. Tell the critics they can go watch grass grow and criticize God for how he does it……And You aren’t the only one to have bleeding issues with that style of caliper.
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@@ekop1778 Jippy Lube HA HA LOVE IT !
"The customer went with all OEM parts," a man of culture I see.
@@Mauivegan67 Ya! Ouch! on the OEM parts!
I go all OEM on my old ranger and on the wife's newer nissan. Surprisingly pretty cheap on my ranger, the nissan not so much.
@@MiamiZombie2012 same here Motorcraft parts are generally not expensive or barely any extra
It's always worth checking OEM. Some of the parts are the same or better price than aftermarket. Check different outlets too. Same part was $104 different at two different stealerships a few years ago.
In the 90s I had a Honda Accord. The dealer recommended I go with after market rotors.
Nice work Wes! Tear the old caliper apart and do a failure analysis!
I'd buy that for a dollar!
Think he said there was a core charge, so he has to send it back to the manufacturer
In Soviet Russia you brake the caliper! 😄
I should! I doubt that would affect the core. All they reuse is the main housing.
@@zoidberg444 I am pretty sure that's not how they did it back then. Everything was rebuild able back then.
Nice seeing the restored brake lathe in action :)
I love Watching Wes Work!!! A top quality mechanic with a great personality and a wonderful family!!
I said belt and suspenders to one of my team and they had no idea what I meant.
Great work Wes
Just like with SMA, we like hanging out with you, doesn’t matter what the job is. This was a particularly informative job!
So true.
I agree with you as well. This video was very informative and helpful tips as well throughout from beginning to end. South Main Auto was also a viewer. Perhaps Eric needed a few pointers on how to turn a rotor! LOL I think he enjoyed it also. Great guys EH.
Every Flex owner I've ever talked to absolutely loves those things.
Yes, I love mine, too. It's a fantastic long trip highway vehicle, among other things.
I am going to start saying in the shop: "Torque to factory specs, click!". People will think I am nuts. 😄
AvE says that all the time too!
I just used to yell CLICK at the top of my lungs and wait for the questions
Only if they are ignorant, not knowing the true genius, WES!.
Click? What Click , rust holds EVERYTHING in place, HA HA.
Wes man i only found your channel the other day, absolutely love the content and just wanted to say thanks for all free knowledge. I can only imagine how much work must go into getting these angles and lighting, unreal. Watching over the shoulder of an expert 👍
Ditto, last two sentences!
Comment, like, and share. These three things help the channel.
I have 2 Ford Flexes, and they have been totally trouble-free.Terrific cars- loads of room, dependable, and not expensive compared to Explorer.
I have a Flex. A friend of mine has a 2017 Explorer. I got to drive it last year, and I thought I was going to love it. I did not love it, compared to the Flex. My Aunt has a Caddy STX that I thought I might like. I drove it, and I did not like it. To me, the Flex was the best driving of the three, by far.
I can just imagine Ford engineering meetings on how to make a seldom to never used parking brake as complicated as possible!! Great video as always!👍👍👍
Every car is like that these days
My wife and I use the parking brake every time we park the car. Learned from a coworker many moons ago that the transmission pawl will not always hold the car.
For some reason, I always feel like I’m back in school when I comment!! Corrected, corrected, corrected!
@@wingdwolf56 don’t need it in the flatlands, but a friend of mine parked his Ford in San Francisco without the parking brake...
We sure did laugh at him, but the insurance company didn’t.
I immediately noticed the full case of Rolling Rock beer, made in Latrobe, Pa. Wes....you're a gentleman, a scholar...and you drink good beer!
They make the new Guinness blonde there too
Isnt Guiness Blonde an oxymoron?
Hey talk to them, pretty sure it's just rolling rock, and more it funny to see rolling rock ina different state and I rarely see it here in pa
Looks like a little frost on the ol' chin whiskers. Time comes for us all.👍
Tell me all about it. It was January and with a blink the year is almost out......tomorrow December is coming and it'll be 2022!!
Been a mechanic for almost 6 years and I never knew there was a procedure for wind in calipers that's any different than normal... Always just bled them like any other caliper. To be fair that's never given me an issue but its good to know in case I ever run into a spongy pedal with these style.
There isn’t. It’s just how Wes does it.
That's been my experience with OEM rotors, too. The originals are more heavy with more metal and more latitude to turn on a brake lathe before you need to throw them out. Problem is, few shops turn rotors any more. Brilliant video. There is something genuine about fixing cars in a pro shop beside the farm.
Im lucky, my parts supplier will turn rotors for me. The problem with aftermarket, according to him, is the quality of the metal being used. Just not the same or heavy enough as you pointed out. In his words, the aftermarket rotors are a one and done type of purchase. No turning on aftermarkets. Kind of makes the case for the price of OEM stuff, especially when it comes to the most important job on a vehicle...Stopping.
@@ericbean2719 Our local Napa (not a sponsor) has a few lathes and will turn rotors and drums. I sold both of my lathes years ago but on occasion send a few pairs to Napa.
@@SouthMainAuto my mechanic is about 1/4 mile from napa and he just did fronts on my 2011 malibu and he sent the rotors to napa and had them turned and back in about a hour...good ole boys down here in the south..they know the meaning of a dollar and try to save the customer a few hundred when they can...
Been hearing a lot of botched jobs on the parts store kids doing warped lathe turning jobs here in the southern Chinafornia. And then there's the shops that charge a whopping $30 extra on top of the brake job per side to turn smh.
@T.J. Kong apparently you don't have any mates
Love the brake job. Turning original stuff is a good way to save time and money. Did it myself back in the day. Especially turning drums were "easy". Love the Ford Flex. Not sure why they axed the model. With the EcoBoost V6 it was fun to drive, and room for 7 and pulling a nice trailer.
I remember a mate from 20 odd yrs ago repairing his brakes. It took him 2 hours to break the caliper and only then he realised it was the wind back type. Still watching and being entertained
Had shoulder surgery on Monday and have been binge watching all week. Kinda creeper right? 😆 HaHa thanks for helping pass through recovery!
I never see a problem with turning rotors and drums if they're within spec.
My issue is time. I can be done with the whole job in the time it takes to get 4 rotors turned
It's old school but saves money and they'll go another 4 -5 years. I like it too.
@@scrapbmxrider16 cutting them is probably cheaper for the customer.
Yeah and save the customer a buncha money.. Thats how you get a customer base. I rather pay Wes to turn rotors for his shop rate and save $$$
Wes's shop Wes's rules !
Fantastic to see that a mechanic still has the equipment to turn the rotor instead of waiting on the parts truck to show up. Great job Wes.
Most newer vehicles the rotors and drums don't have enough tolerance to turn from factory
@@douglasharrington3003 I'm just a Ford dealer lube tech and we always turn rotors I thought it was still a common practice to machine rotors
@@precesionnoreaster1507 no most places got rid of them. I used to also but most stopped because of spec and cost of new rotors being lower
Those calipers are asking for trouble when people dont ever touch their e-brake. I like your videos, your personality and your dog. Thanks man
Ah, the bread and butter of automotive youtube vids, brake jobs. Nice work.
In Sil-Glide we trust! Never thought I would see anybody use it as often as myself, LOL. I can always count on you Wes to insure I never, ever, move back to the rust belt. And I completely agree that replacement parts, even from the OEM, are not always the same quality as the original parts!
Well these car makers seem determined to make the original parts junk too!
The Hufflepuff brake service assistant department in action!
Wes and his lovely assistant must be some partying people! There's always a case or 3 of beer in most of his videos.
Yeah it’s the same case. It never even get opened!
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You never know when religious people will drop by and give ya the good news!
It's best to keep some suds handy just incase they need to quench their thirst! 🍻 🙌🤷♂️
Geez ! The amount of crap you have to go through to satisfy ''Your Audience" ! Your doing a fine job ..
My Thought Exactly
@@davidcolesr.8628 Yeah its amazing what a self centered, hurray for me society weve become. Especially when half of the viewers are simply sitting around the house waiting for the government to send them another stimulus check, complaining about the content of free videos.
ahh I love a good belt AND suspenders approach to repair work.... im glad I dont own anything with those hateful calipers!
Always look forward to your videos Wes especially being I'm from Illinois just love hearing the references and terminology working on cars from you. Thank you very much and digging the Little Beard you got going there.looks good on you
If a person is learning on brakes your video helps. Good work.
Sir, your attention to detail does you proud. So without doubt, you have many happy customers, and that's the way it should be. 👍
Great video as always, I learn something from each of your videos, your customers are lucky to have you work on there vehicles
My 1993 Saturn had this very design. All I will say is it was very interesting 1st time I replaced brakes!
Another quality video Wes, thanks. You know you have arrived when Eric watches and comments on your videos. Ya'll keep em coming.
Agreed!
My 1979 Supra had them on the back, I broke all the rules and replaced pads n rotated piston with ViseGrips, being careful not to damage Boot! Thanks, and cheers to your assistant!
Yay! My Saturday dose of goodness
Nice video. Reminds me of the late 80/90's GM W-body rear brake set up - the Brake tool makes this job so much easier!
Some 20 years ago did brakes on a Taurus sho I had. Retracted the pistons with needle nose pliers. Wasn’t fun. Didn’t know about this took way back then, or if it was even invented yet
Never been a mechanic by trade, but always seemed to end-up fixing my own cars / motorbikes and those of my family and friends.
First time i came across this type of caliper was on my wife's dad's car - a Colt (Mitsubishi) Sapporo.
Took me nearly an hour of head-scratching and swearing, while trying to put new pads in the rears, before I discovered that the piston had to be screwed-in...
4:17 This Ozzy bloke appreciates you sticking with the metric system on this Ford. 🇦🇺🤙🏼
That pic of you and Matt from Diesel Creek looks like a WANTED poster...
foreshadowing Wes's venturing to YT meet & greet with Diesel creek,LetsDig18, DirtPerfect, Logger Wade,MTBS, Officer Hoover,Jeff from Muddyfeet concrete. somebody is going join Wade is handcuffs at some point lol
Very interesting and makes complete sense. Thanks for sharing this info.
You do know how to make a run of the mill brake job / caliper replacement entertaining!
Nice work!
I found this interesting as I have driven a Ford Flex since 2009. I am on my third vehicle and really love the ride and flexibility with seating and cartage. My current vehicle is a 2016 which I ordered with the extras I wanted. It has 117,000 kilometers on it. I had a complete brake job done, front and rear at about 100,000 km or 62,000 miles. I took it back about three weeks after the brake job due to excess black dust on the front wheels, apparently it should have had ceramic pads. They were replaced no charge and it has been fine since. I must say that I do use the parking brake regularly but have a hell of a time pushing hard enough to get to the first click. I was told that was normal by both the Ford dealership and an independent mechanic. These are built at Ford in Oakville Ontario. They have discontinued the Flex now. Love your channel Wes!👏🏻🇨🇦
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for calling it what it is - A PARKING BRAKE. It's primary function is to be a parking brake. I guess for others they never use it as a parking brake and must only use it for emergencies.
I tried pulling on the E-brake on my Honda civic at 20 miles an hour, it did nothing, these are no longer emergency brakes. They are parking brakes only, at least in my 2012 Honda, with rear discs. On the other hand my 1998 Toyota's had a great emergency brake, as I found out when both brake circuits failed at the same time, fortunately, I was going slow in a parking lot but I was pulling a boat, I guess it was a little too much weight for my rusted brake lines.
Spot on, I hate watching a car or truck parked then it's still moving when the driver gets out. Yes, it's no good calling it an "Emergency Brake" if it's never checked in most mandatory vehicle inspections.
I almost thought that you weren't going to apply enough torque and stop tightening before the click. I am glad that I was wrong ;)
@Watch Wes Work, like the beard fella. And thanks for showing that banjo bolt anti splill tool, i have been looking for something like this for years.
Never bored with watching, I learned how to bleed them correctly!!
You'll need to show that brake lathe in operation eventually Wes, don't think we've actually seen it working yet? :)
For sure Lucas, that's why Eric (SMA) was watching. Inquiring minds would like to know. The rotor had a beautiful surface
"Blue" rotors inplies discolouration due to excessive heat, and you confirmed my suspicion. Put a new caliper in and call it a day. Top work 😊
Moved from IL to TN and still use Fluid Film! Old habits don't die easily!
good brake job wes. a must do brake job on my volvo. next mont having car inspektion.
I have the cube for turning/pushing back the piston, pain in the ass, i love older vehicles.
I enjoy your expertise, but mostly I watch this channel for the hilarious absurdity of working on cars in a place where they rust. Knocking the wheel off the hub is so strange to me, I've never seen that happen here in beautiful, sunny Florida. Thanks for the videos!
Back in the 80's working on my Subaru, I just welded up my own windback tool out of a washer, some nails and a few other bits.
Cheers,
The handbrake lever on the calliper seizes in the on position, this then means that the piston cant retract or be wound back. You would do well to spray the back of the calliper with fluid film. I have stripped and rebuilt a few of these, you get a year before they seize up again. Once the original plating is gone from the rod that enters the back of the calliper its not long before the rust seizes up again.
And that is a rust belt up there in Ohio.
@@mohabatkhanmalak1161 Yep, im in UK, we salt our roads at the first hint of frost. We dont bother with frequent oil changes as the car will rust out from under you long before a good engine will be worn out.
It can also be corrosion between the piston and the bore. It doesn't take much rust at all to seize it up to the point were you can't turn the piston. I have had this style of caliper on all my cars and the parking brake mechanisme is actually pretty simple and reliable internally and the ones I have replaced was because the piston seized in the bore from rust.
@@niskaa78 You need to keep the seal in good condition, once this is ripped your piston has maybe 6 months. On fords its normally the spindle/bore at the back that rusts.
@@mohabatkhanmalak1161 he's not in ohio he is in illinois but yes the whole northern section of the us is snow country and rust belt ..i lived in ohio for about 10 years and never want to go back
I bought my 99.5 F250 in 2005. The tires were OK when I bought it and I later decided to rotate them. I had to put my floor jack between the wheel and spring pack to get the two rear wheels off the truck.
Try loosening the wheel nuts, drive forward a few feet, slam the brakes. Usually loosens the wheel.
@@logicthought24 I first tried anti-sieze but it seemed to dry out and not help at all. So, I tried synthetic brake grease and it has worked very well for many years.
Thanks for sharing Wes, great little watch on Sunday morning
I had to laugh, you're the man with the most oddball specialty tools I've ever seen, and no line wrench. Well done!
Well. Since South Main covered all of the bases I think the only thing I have left is that Max is a good pup.
Agreed, don't go cracking something loose you aren't ready to replace. (Western Pa)
i live in ohio for 10 years and can say you are absolutely correct...if you are cracking it loose then you are replacing it ..glad i moved away from there...
Thanks for making these videos, makes my week. Always something new, great variety. And "big boy" size brake clean for the win.
Your videos are never boring
Your videos are always informative and interesting
Thank you
Ah those are the best customers, the ones willing to spend the money on oem stuff because 99% of the time the stuff is going to fit and work right away
Always fun when a brake job turns into the ol "grind to fit, paint to match"
You obviously need what Warren calls his “Clown Hammer” for Christmas !
it’s the same as yours, but ridiculously oversize, would pop those wheels off nicely….
I always prefer OEM brake parts too !
12:22 that’s possibly the wisest thing you’ve ever said and it happens to line up with a theory I had myself, just I think it’s for all parts, which is why repair is often better than replace.
Great to have you back Wes interesting video 👍
I was very concerned cause that wrench did not look like a torque wrench to me so I was relieved when it clicked.
Definitely prefer the toyota design with the rear rotors having the parking brake drum inside. You can actually call it an emergency brake since it's a seperate brake system from the caliper and the caliper is the same design as the front so there's no weird shit involved
My subaru has the same thing. Doesn't give any trouble, you just have to know it's there.
13:06 Oh, THANK YOU! I was so worried that only the top one was torqued to spec...but you re-spec torqued them. I can sleep much better now! Thanks!
The timing of your video was perfect. I am getting ready to do this style brake job! Awesome information!
In Scotland the government cutbacks of the last few years have done wonders for the lifespan of chassis and brake components etc. They hardly salt the roads anymore.😄
Is it cost effective to turn rotors these days? Don’t know just curious your thoughts?
Thank you for showing the struggle Wes. It makes me as a shade tree mechanic feel better about my own struggles with rust and crusty parts knowing that you as a pro struggle at times as well. Keep up the great work and thank you for the interesting video!!!
Depends on the vehicle. Vehicles with expensive rotors, sure. Mine cost $20 per and around here most charge $15 to turn them. For $5 I would rather just have a brand new one.
I once had them turned, they were in spec. However the next time I braked really hard at highway speed, they warped. After that I just went with new aftermarket and they were twenty bucks each or so.
@George Jones I didn’t ask why George, just if he thought it was cost effective. Thanks for the reply .
@@OmegaGamingNetwork brand new isn't the same as the originals...he explained that aftermarkets aren't made with the same integrity as the originals...for 5 bucks i'd rather have the original that i know are made better and you can usually turn them 2 or 3 times unless you get a really bad warp from excessive braking
As always Wes I learned a lot today!!! Thanks for sharing and keep those videos coming!!!!!
Most complete brake video I’ve watched. Showed everything needed to do the job. Thank you
I’ve owned 2 Ford Flex’s… They are prone to wheel bearings and brake jobs on a regular basis. Still love the car though.
Can confirm i did a wheel bearing and pads on mine
same with newer chevys..i have a 2011 malibu and it has gone through 2 sets of wheel bearings already in the 3 years i have owned it..and 1 set of pads and a front rotor turning
Did parts get cheaper or labor more expensive? When my dad had a shop back in the day everyone turned drums, rebuilt wheel cylinders and master cylinders and even relined the brake shoes that had the rivet on linings. That was back in the 60s.
I miss those days. Now the parts are mass produced oversees and its hit and miss in terms of quality or if it will work at all. Tell someone you're rebuilding a starter or alternator now and they laugh. I guess its personal preference. Cheers
It just depends. Many times here the rotors are so rusted it’s not possible to machine them. But I do if I can.
Yeah parts got way cheaper. I remember even in the late 80s the cost of replacing rotors was very expensive.
I don't know about America so much, but here in Australia it's a combination of both, labour rate has gone up, and the price (and usually quality) of aftermarket parts has gone down.
Best non-SMA brake job Ive ever seen! Great work! Thank You...J NJ
I like how Max acknowledged you with a smile when you inquired about the dog days of Summer!!!
I’m a fan of pressure bleeding for one man operation. Downside no vid of the assistant.
LOL, I thought you were say "Weinbach" as in a person's name. I had never heard of those style of brakes.
Me too. Must be getting old, I guess.
Me too. Must be getting old, I guess.
enjoy watching you work on things it a joy to watch a mechanic who knows what he doing good video man good job
Wow you really cut a rotor. Didn't think anyone did that anymore. Nice!!! Great job.
Well, the rubber hammer beats me hitting the wheel with my heel
THAT is a deadblow hammer. VASTLY superior to a rubber mallet in that application.
You missed a golden opportunity to play a sound effect when you showed the can of brakleen
You should hire that assistant full time 🤣 good video thanks for the education
I Found The Video Interesting, I’m Not A Mechanic so Maybe That’s Why. Very educational For Someone Like Myself, Appreciate You Bringing Us In For A Peak. Keep It Safe
Did you put fresh brake fluid in the caliper before installing it? Just asking for a fellow viewer.
Your funny👍
Wes when I have to ride the struggle bus I always grab my helmet and strap myself in for a hell of a ride that day
Man I HATE those type of calipers, such a PIA! Nice work Wes 👌
I've never bothered clamping the brake line when I do my brakes. I just throw something under to catch the drips, and fully flush the system with fresh fluid.
I've never greased the sliders either. I usually end up wire wheeling the pin because they've dried right up and slather them with anti seize, because rust belt.
I don’t see a problem with turning the rotors, I wonder what the heat has done to them though…
Wes would have seen if the rotors were past there heat tolerance, by color or if they were warped . The surface of the rotor was great after he turned it. This was a great video.
Way to go Wes, putting the restored brake lathe to good use, instant like!
It’s always a pleasure to watch someone who knows what he is doing. Great job on that Ford.You take your time and don’t make mistakes. Thanks you have saved me a ton of money keeping my vehicles running. My vehicle is a 2005 Ford Escape new k-frame and good Mass. inspection sticker and no payment. It starts every day. Thanks to you and your family.
A box of Rocks next to the desk doesn't hurt either. Nice work Wes and your lovely assistant. Keep on smiling.