BEST EU4 IDEA GROUP IN 2024? Idea Groups Tier List Europa Universalis 4 UPDATED
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- Always stuck thinking what is the best idea group for your eu4 campaign? Are you always wishing you went a different idea group when playing your nations? Well this video is the solution for you, ranking the idea groups from best to worst in a tier list format.
This tier list includes all idea groups in EU4 from diplomatic, admin, quantity to even unique idea group sets like Indigenous or Horde ideas. In this video I go over all the idea groups using three different categories: casual play, blobbing and multiplayer. All assorted and organized in three main chapters for your viewing enjoyment. ENJOY!
Do you agree or disagree with my categorization? Then let me know down below in the comments.
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
2:42 Casual Gameplay Tierlist
3:35 Casual - Innovative
7:16 Casual - Religious
9:12 Casual - Expansion
10:41 Casual - Economic
11:49 Casual - Admin
13:30 Casual - Humanist
15:08 Casual - Infrastructure
15:50 Casual - Espionage
18:56 Casual - Diplomatic
20:15 Casual - Trade
23:00 Casual - Exploration
26:58 Casual - Maritime
29:25 Casual - Navy
30:06 Casual - Influence
32:27 Casual - Court
35:47 Casual - Aristocratic
38:31 Casual - Divine
39:57 Casual - Plutocratic
42:25 Casual - Horde
44:30 Casual - Indigenous
47:30 Casual - Offensive
49:17 Casual - Defensive
51:17 Casual - Quality
52:27 Casual - Quantity
54:32 Casual - Mercenary Ideas
56:00 Casual Tierlist recap
58:37 Blobbing Tier List
1:16:01 Multiplayer Tier List
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Something worth considering about naval and maritime ideas is that they allow you to confirm thassalocracy and obtain trade protectorates which are really strong. Honestly if you aren't planning to do a world conquest pre 1600 it is worth considering. The massive economic boost that the trade protectorate gives you can allow you go over your force limit and get a early military hegemon before age of absolutism. And the nice part is that once you confirm thassalocracy you can change naval for a different idea.
Maritime also give you a bigger marine foce limit + more sailors, thus acting as a 2nd manpower pool
My take is that Naval is relatively bad, but Maritime is passable. If you need an incredible Navy, just take Maritime alone and grab some of its policies + pick Professional Navy government reform.
Also you get more trade ship power and ticking naval tradition with maritime, boosting income and trade steering plus morale and engagement width not to mention admirals. Depending on your trade setup this could help your economy more than trade ideas while of course also helping your navy
@@bender42069 I mean i'd rather take maritime over trade ideas if i'm a colonial power, with the sheer amount of merchants you get you don't nee dtrade ideas
It's easy to say "hey this has nice benefits", but it's much harder to say "drop these two well-respected, really good idea groups to fit in Maritime and Naval" if we're talking either world conquest or multiplayer. I don't see that case, except maybe if you're England in MP and you have a serious naval rival.
But if you play casual, sure, go ahead and have fun.
real men go Eco Quality Offensive
then just slam meat into giga coalitions for 300 years
That has literally been my issue for years. Couldn't figure out why it kept happening
@@DoYouLikeMyNameDude wait... for years? Lmao.
@@actualiygod6782 i play for a week every 6 month so yeah. I never git gud
Eco quality defensive stronk also
If you're doing lots of truce breaking, can't beat administrative. Actually, can't beat administrative anyway.
I consider myself a casual player and I get espionage almost every game, seeing it put in S tier makes me happy.
The 20% AE combined with the 10% AE age ability AND the extra 20% AE from being the papal controller gives you a whopping 50% AE which allows for fast conquest early on.
Espionage is better if your playing in high AE areas like HRE for example, like if i wasn't doing a prussia into hre dismantle for example, i'd take espio over diplo
The siege ability potential with 100% network is also damn fine in the early game. Focus mil + espionage = slam-dunking the most dangerous enemies early game.
There no coalitions if they are all dead.
Jk I get it but trust me once you get better and hate yourself more just keeping everyone around on truce is really fun.
They buffed the s*** out of it. It's excellent for single player. Vazzalise half the world as ottoes and great policies.
You forgot another 20 percent from spy network, which is much easier to get either espionage ideas
I believe that espionage is potentially even better, if you also have divine ideas. That policy that gives double contribution of cannons to siege means that you need half as many troops sieging a province to get max siege bonus. In late game that could mean -40K troops instead of 80K for example. Considering the sheer amount of high level forts in late game, this I find is a game changer.
This is why I always take espo first as papal state, especially with the added buffs from curia controller
Only really starts being viable after 1650 when everyone is getting level 6 forts
@@youtuberobbedmeofmyname then get divine as 4-5th group
Something Really Fun and powerful Thing with court is playing a Republic with Court and Plutocratic. You can stack Reform progress so quick and then eventually switch to monarchy around 1550-1650 with all Reforms unlocked. Bugetmonk's Ragusa to Rome One tag did this. Also for the casual player, It makes managing estates way more Easily.
I have over 3,000 hours in the game and have recently discovered Maritime Ideas can be very powerful in certain games. Venice has a mission which gives you +25% marines, and the idea group also gives you the same. So if your force limit is 40, you can recruit up to 20 marines. Might not sound like a big deal (after all, they receive -10% shock damage) but they land on enemy shores VERY quickly - highly useful if you're fighting the Ottomans, where trapping their stacks across various straits is crucial. Also, marines replenish using SAILORS. If you have lots of coastal provinces in states - which Venice does - this almost doubles your effective manpower.
It’s so fun when you use a different idea group for once and it actually works so well. Glad you liked maritime and now I might also use it :)
Second country are Knights they fleet are much stringer than Venice, on my opinion even than England. If you like try martime, explorararion campaign Knights.
I do a lot of achievement runs and if your goal is not to blob and instead do something specific as a smaller power, maritime can be very strong because ai does not understand navy
Maritime is also a second trade ideas, with its bonuses to trade protection and the thalocrassy reform
I think that infrastructure ideas is a bit underrated for doing a world conquest. I recently finished an Angevin Kingdom One Tag/One faith in 1720 and found infrastructure ideas to be really nice for helping to establish a strong base so I could blob as fast as possible once absolutism hit in the 1600s. Lower construction costs meant more workshops and training fields and soldiers households so I never felt like I was low on manpower or money once I started going for all out war and lower governing cost means more states to extract more out of my nation. Plus with offensive ideas you get a really nice policy that gives +2 artillery levels available vs. forts which really nice when you're staring down an HRE filled with a bunch of OPM's with defensive ideas that have level 5,6 or 7 forts. I honestly think it could go high C tier or even low B tier its def not necessary but I was surprised how good it felt.
I use it for every blobbing run for these exact reasons, a very straightforward economy-making idea set that also allows to carry out wars so much faster.
Super helpful. Love it - thanks a lot!
One of my favorite playthroughs to do in EU4 is an exodus to the new world. For that, exploration infrastructure is absolutely insane with +1 colony dev boost policy. Along with the golden age bonus, thats at least 9 development per colony for quite a few years, and a minimum of 6 after age or discovery ends. I highly reccomend this type of campaign as Ternate for the starting cloves income and the extra colonist from missions.
Good Video. I like the distinction between playstyles.
thank you habibi for providing us with good knowledge i was stacking discipline all the time instead of morale now i just leave discipline at %115
Yeeees!!!! A new one!! I love to listen to these long tierlist videos of you to assist me to sleep😌
You got a very soothing and calming voice
I recently did a 1.36 Byz achievement run and took Court Ideas just from a role play perpective. The events you get from it are pretty good and the policies were quite strong with inno and offensive
Gimme that Naval Guide please. Really underserved.
Current naval meta is just bit stack. Naval rotations are pretty shite rn.
I do feel like the specific combo of Innovative with Mercenary ideas might warrant some discussion, if only because you're triple stacking military tech and advisor cost reductions when you include the policy.
I liked the video and i want a naval guide !! Bless me today Habibi
I think the problem with Naval ideas is that there is just so few times where I think they are objectively the right pick. In all my 1500 hours of play, i've only ever once found myself in a position where I wish I had them.
When I was playing Anbennar as Blademarches and expanded into Ebonthil, had a navy and was fighting the League war on the opposite side as all the naval powers.
I was at two times my naval forcelimit, had everything I needed for an elite navy but there was just so many I couldn't sink them all. I was exchanging at a 2-1 ratio, but I needed more of a 4/5-1 ratio to keep my coasts safe.
And Maritime only ever felt right for island hopping nations like the Indonesian nations or England as their 5/6 idea group.
Habibi is edging us with the navy guide.
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Think you overlook in your casual segment that just like the AI, the casual player is not managing his armies optimally so I would put almost all mil ideas one step higher since having better mil stats helps with not having perfect army set-up.
I've more recently liked taking expansion instead of exploration when colonizing since they added the ability to get free explorers from the "grant new world charters" privilege (only requires a colonist from any source). You do miss out on 50% range and the ability to spawn the colonialism institution, but I think having more and faster colonies, as well as the other bonuses like the diplomat, territory autonomy, and the envoy travel time (very nice qol) make expansion a lot better of a choice. Out of the diplo groups, I'd want to take diplo, espionage, influence, and maybe even court before I'd consider taking exploration, and by then it's the end of the game and everything is colonized. I see the validity of needing it to get conquistadors to get those last few provinces for a timed wc, but you really only need the first idea for that, rather than the whole group.
Every run in Europe I start with espionage. If you play your cards right and get lucky, as Austria you could get -60% AE with the careful trait and age ability and the justified event. Absolutely nutty for PUin everyone in site and taking provinces in Italy
This is a very big help for beginners like me Ty
You can get explorers with any colonist via estate interaction now, so expansion gives you explorers.
What Habibi might have forgotten about Espionage in terms of casual: It basicly does increase siege and ae reduction by twice, since you get to 100% spy network way easier and thus get a siege bonus of 20% and an ae reduction of 30%.
This is a really comprehensive idea tier list that takes into account pretty much every aspect of everything, even including casual play vs blob play. Thanks for making this video! Very useful!
Did that army composition guide ever come out? I’d love to see it!
Had a lucky lucca achievment run recently, migrating to SA region base, while tc some indian stuff and only using mercs. Italians also have condotierri doctrine, so merc ideas worked really well. I went espionage/religion, so +4% missionary was over there, just saying.
Thinking about byzantine run, due to their merc tree line.
Glad you redid this I really need it ;-;
Indigenous and Horde are both very good; worth getting as your first idea if they are relevant to you. (Caveat; I only play LARP games.)
Thanks fren :)
one thing that I think is of some note for unjustified demands is that you still get them for seperate peacing a co-belligerent, which can be annoying if you want to take a lot of land
Aristo + Espionage is very underrated. You could get an extra 20% CCA with the policy plus the 10% from aristo, -50% claim cost, claim states, and +50% spy net construction means you almost never need the -25% in justified demands. I always take aristo espionage when I play as Poland because you can do some nutty shit with it
Good video it’d be cool if you could also give tips on what order to take ideas in
I’ll have that as a CZcams short
In defense of Expansion Ideas, I really don't consider "the gameplay mechanic semi-locked behind it isn't necessary" to be all that good a criticism for casual play. Like sure you could just declare war and conquer other nations' colonies, but at least for me when I'm playing colonial it's because I want to play with the colonists mechanic and possibly even avoid extra wars altogether. Just taking someone else's colony is a fundamentally different gameplay experience in my opinion (more akin to other forms of military blobbing), so I'd consider Expansion to be more in the vein of "gameplay style specific" or situational, again at least for casual play.
I think there are some interesting things that court has going for it. The biggest one I think is probably reform progress stacking, where for example if you start as a republic and take plutocratic and court, you get your reform progress from republican tradition, you get the flat reform progress from pluto, and you get a combined 45% from court + plutocratic, which can allow you to really skyrocket your government reforms, especially if you're in a start in which expanding isn't super easy and you might want to be going tall-ish with low autonomy anyways.
Separately to that, I do think it also provides some interesting potential for blobbing, where say if you're a unique religion like orthodox, or ibadi, or something else, where you'd probably be going religious anyways, you get a flat 5% WS cost from policies, while also giving you ccr with admin, which you'll probably also be getting if you're going wide.
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0:27 I was playing The Last Epoch, and I just suddenly teleported with the Vine boom sound effect XD
habibi can you make builds video for single player as well ? like best combination for policy idea for some scenarios. but not like that detailed and long tho. could be useful some late starters to eu4 and get more people to discover your channel
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Some ideas to buff Court & Aristocratic:
'Palace of Splendor' gives 1% Prestige Decay instead of Monthly Splendor
Bonus idea would be 50-100% more rewards from Estate Interaction. So for ex. Nobility mission giving 1 free manpower point as reward would now 2 free manpower in province.
'International Nobility' gives -20% General Cost alongside the +1 Diplomat
'Local Nobility' keeps the Autonomy Change but instead of 0.5 Yearly Absolutism gives -5 Years of Separatism
Innovation is my favourite, i always pick it first. The more excess mana, the more i can dev
It's all fun and games not taking Mil ideas like me until Ottomans get Quality pulse event and they are running you down in your Austria campaign with 125% discipline and trashing my fleet with their high naval tradition with an amazing admiral 😆safe to say I picked up quality as my 3rd idea group.
I think court is top of C tier because of the policies that give 5% ccr and 5% ws cost vs other religions. I took it as 5th idea (diplo religious admin influence). And diplo ruler point is nice for culture conversion.
It's good as Emperor of China or HRE or if your country has a ridiculously weird Estates situation. Otherwise, you'll probably dump it late game. I can just never justify it to myself when there's so many other options.
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I feel like influence has it's place in MP for countries with subjects by default - colonizers and Ottomans. Eco+Influence(admin policy) give like +200% vassal FL, with mercenary another 50%(dip policy), go for aristo and make it +350% (mil policy)
Diplo eyalet what you can with ottomans early with something like this and yeah sounds fun
Meanwhile, I am doing a Oman into Arabia world conquest were I dont pick diplo because I already have tons of province warcost and instead pick quality for the -10% diplo annexation policy.
My favorite build for Poland is Espionage and Aristocratic early. Not only are they strong in their own right, but they work with each other and with Polish ideas very well. You get less AE and a bunch of diplomats, bonuses to Szlachta loyalty, cav combat ability from Aristocratic and policy with Espionage with more cav cost reduction on top, more manpower, dev cost discount, monthly autonomy...
Expansion Ideas are really nice when you can already see and reach the land you want to colonise. That would be Spice Islands, Malaya, Some parts in Africa and a lot of the natives. I would argue it is better for more countries than the alternative in Exploration.
Counterpoint for expansion in blobbing being good. Having a colonist on 1st idea means that if you stack stab cost modifier u can constantly swap colonial policy for like 10 adm per stab hit and like 350 adm for the idea and get to max absolutism extremely fast
just use the state unstate autonomy trick and get a shitton of absolutism on day 1, no need for anything complex
One thing I'll say, if you play on very hard, you need mil ideas. Not going to beat a quantity, quality ottomans without them.
Yeah, agree on expansion, only really feel I need it for exile games
Habibi help me! Is [Quality - Religious - Quantity- Trade] worth it over [Quality - Economic - Quantity - Trade]? I like to pick the first set sometimes in MP due to the extra army modifiers (5% less discipline but more manpower, morale, morale damage). Most people say the set with the eco ideas is much better but I never understood why. Yeah better eco buffs (trade efficiency, early tax, interest per annum) but the total goods produced stays the same. What do you think? Is it just me being a morale larper or is the religious set equal or even superior to the eco one?
I'd say it's a bit weaker but not much 2.5 effective discipline more, 10 % manpower, 10% less eco tho, worse loans and no dev cost policy, nice that ur experimenting tho, hope you perhaps get an anwser from sb more experienced with mp than me.
Recommended strategy for Piratical Ryukyu? From opening to ideas.
I always thought Offensive was the best Mil Idea for a world conquest such that I'd consider it a mid A tier, primarily because of the siege ability.
And THEN, given that I'm almost always taking Offensive, I think either one of Infrastructure or Trade ideas gets value for the Movement Speed related policies. Movement speed feels like a really rare modifier to get, and moving those armies around becomes a lot more tolerable in the late game when your country starts to sprawl out everywhere.
I'd probably only ever take 1 of Infrastructure or Trade since there are so many other more important ideas, but I'd bump each of those up to a mid and low C tier respectively thanks to that Movement Speed policy.
You should do idea tierlists for all the mods you play on your server💯
never underestimate the power of aristo first for cav builds as it lets you take noble electorate which gets you very very good rulers if you know what youre doing.
Exploration is garbo for wc just be polynesian and get the naval doctrine lol, jokes aside very nice video I'd put eco higher specifically for hordes in the blobbing category since combining it with horde ideas after you grab the initial diplo/admin/religious/humanist plugs up the major weaknesses of hordes (unrest, moneymaking, ae, religious unity) and improves their greatest strengths (razing power gain and cav ability)
Watch the video man he explains why explo is garbage, he even says "some ppl will write explo is garbage without watching the video"
@@seroo9119 read my comment man, it's a joke :)
espionage is good early to blob out and is ideal to ditch when it's time to minmax military late game
court ideas with theocracy to rush government reforms for that morale damage reduction build is spicy.
About dynastic ideas, in policies with offensives it gives +10% moral damage (and +25% power projection to insults, which is fine as a random bonus), to what extent is it good?
With Quantity it gives a -10% cost to the infantry and a -15% cost to the artillery, correct me if I'm wrong, but that also affected its maintenance, right?
With Aristocrats you have +15% total manpower and +10% loyalty balance with nobility, it is interesting because Aristocrats have many policies to achieve more maximum manpower, as with the colonial policy.
Finally, the policy with Innovativas is essential if you want to get the "Die Please Die" achievement, since they give you +25% lifespawn to your rulers (as well as you do not lose stability when changing rulers), it is useful for the achievement because you have to make your king reach the age of 70 with only 1 or 0 stat points, that is, the most you can have is a 0/0/1 or something like that, but it is also excellent when you have incredible rulers, such as Mehmet II or various event rulers, such as Ivan the Terrible
I like Quantity, its not just about the manpower. Ofc it gives you manpower, but also makes your army cheaper and and because you have a bigger army, its actually a kind of a diplo idear.
Aren't maritime ideas worth it for the Marines? I never have manpower problems when I use them early
Also dont forget the 6k forclimit build for influence eco aristo by stacking vassal forclimit contribution on player controlled crown colonies.
yeah this is a great build, even in a SP test game i did i got over 2k force limit even from garbage ai controlled colonies
Great IDEA for a video tbh
Can you do formable's next?
With horse go brrr aristo + horde + espionage is just insane. :D
u can get 100 inno, yes
but with inno>> u got it faster
for single player, if u pick inno 1st and min max(meaning early golden age), u will swim in mana, more mana than other idea group opener.
with the espionage first idea you can get flanders and brabant as vassals as holland in your first liberation war, with the second idea i could get them without EA i believe.
what is the song name at around 28 minutes
Humanist are an S tier for all Confucian nations since it also gives CB like Religious
Habibi kinda looks like if that movie The Pianist was animated by Pixar.
Habibi would you do a true heir of timur run? :hmm:
Court ideas gives you the best policy in the game, the big government act. It has all kinds of little benefits that all add up to B-tier minimum IMO.
Maretime ideas also expands your manpower pool by giving mariens
I know this game is actually kind of old but I'm very new, within like 2 months lego, I would appreciate a Navy guide
Why do you seem so CRISP in the video today
I believe Divine should be rated higher, maybe even MP viable. I'm really cirous about how much -10% morale damage received and -10% fire damage received do vs discipline. Maybe some video about nations with different idea sets fighting? Like Religious + Divine vs Quality+Economic. Maybe add a couple more just for the sake of curiosity. There are so many possibilities, lots of content.
In Maritime ideas, the +33% to privateer efficiency doesn't seem to work. There seems to be no difference to privateering and protecting trade as income.
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Hi, i have a bug with EU4, anyone know, why the "+" icon to recruit troops does not show up? I can still recruit from the province screen but the option to recruit normally just does not show up. Did it happen to someone else too?
that might be a DLC feature lol....
@@AbsoluteHabibi yes i just downloaded the cossacks DLC and it worked lol
30% improve relation in humanist is really great for avoiding coalitions
finally, someone else appreciates espionage!
I'm a "casual" 4600 hrs player on this game.. still haven't played mp since 2013-14 lol
Few ideas are nearly created to concrete country. When you playing Ethiopia you can get -100% deploiment gold mine. 75 from special estate privlage and 25 from economic ideas. Second when you playing Bohemia innovative fits ideal. You have massive minus advisor costs from national ideas. Extra bonus innovative make your advisors cheaper ever seen.
Whats this new dlc that was announced?
whats that music on 28:30?
its probaly inefficant as hell but in somewhat id say unoptimczd blobing wc campains where i dont plan to far ahead i sometimes lack enough dip or adm power to power thorugh to the good stuff. so i sometimes at tech 7 or 10 take Quanity ideas and just keep it for the first maby second slot and then abandon it like 10 years later after i got enough dip and adm. obviously this is not a issue you should run into in the first place.
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Love the list, but i feel like you miss the Tier Good at start, but should be switched later
Habibi the captain wants a naval guide
back when i first starting playing, i always took religious ideas because i wasnt good at fabricating claims. seems so dumb now, but i just couldnt manage the diplomats.
In my opinion quantity and defensive got slammed a little to hard for single player. Although I play on very hard and that +50% forcelimit modifier can be brutal depending on how things go for AI great powers. Sometimes it really do be just me as Najd against 300K plus ottomans in 1550.
Habibi you can get indigenous as anyone in the new world. Just when it comes time to reform as Mexico or Inca you have to reform with the native tribes so Mapuche or muusca
Ok, so I’m a crack head who likes to torture himself and am trying my first WC as ryukyu, any advice in terms of ideas?
From watching to someone i call "casual world conquest dude" there is argument to be made for Quantity to be higher tier in casual and world conquest and that's because of 33% land limit.
Having bigger army means effectively less coalition, more option for ally and more loyal vassal. It also helps win war because you have more troops to siege down the enemy and intimidate the ai to not attacking your besieging troops. And finally 33% up is a strong buff if you want to rush military hegemony.
Also helps they synergize with Economy and Trade, which mean more money to build military building which then stacked with Quantity buff. Suddenly any faction could roleplay as Russia. :v
you value quantity for the mostly wrong reason imo, it saves you so much micro by allowing you to just march 100k doomstacks around instead of having to move around 100 armies
The best part of Expansion Ideas is that your colonies get them, giving them 2 colonists instead of just the one from exploration.
doesnt devine have a really op event with like 20% morale and 5% discipline so its a bit better for multiplayer if you are in a death war and are rolling for events?
It goes both ways, it has equally same chance to give you -5% discipline and -10% morale. Only idea to have something like that lol.
Divine ideas are the casino of eu4