I love Surefire but the question is do I love them because I love the idea of USA made gear? yeah...if Surefire was all chinese made tomorrow how many people would just move on to something like Streamlight instead...Its a big question...of course all brands can have problems its not a china vs US thing BUT for the money we spend on US stuff becasue of our patriotism and thought its just better is pretty high...Nothing is fool proof, but one thing we do rely on with US gear is it will keep getting replaced unlike some chinese companies who lack customer service and warranty work...I love supporting US companies but I find myself just using and enjoying more and more chinese knives and lights as time goes on without problems at a much lower cost...
Also $200 is a lot to just give up on, that’s probably why if someone has a $20-$45 light they could just move on much easier, I know I would lol. I would have preferred if Surefire would have offered me a completely different model and put an end to this..
How long did you leave it on? Heat can hurt flashlights and some have built in lumen step down, but maybe this one doesnt. So youd have to pay more attetion to how much heat its putting off if using on the highest mode.
I agree with cutleryLover. I have no problem paying for items / gear made in the greatness USofA. But quality & over the top customer must be provided & ready to back up why you paid for. Hope they do it right for you!
Couple of questions: with the clip you've added is there still plenty of skin contact when in use? Not excusing the lack of thermal regulation, but I think it probably relies on skin contact for some heat dispersal..? Second, on the second identical failure should you be considering asking for a refund? Sounds like it's not fit for purpose. :-(
Some people bash Olight but I've had great service out of several of their models. I realize they're made in China but I've been happy with them. I have a couple of Surefire lights also that I've used while helping Border Patrol in Arizona. They've been great lights also.
You know I’m a Surefire Fanboy. But this is ridiculous these are expensive as fuck and these should be lasting for the price we pay for these. These are supposed to be used. I’m glad they are getting you a new one though. I’d love to see ya with a Streamlight
Thanks for making this video. Been researching lights to put on my AR. I looked at the price at surefire and was kind of shocked. What would be your recommendation? Olight? Thoughts sir?
I have this exact light and mine burned out too. Contacted Surefire and sent them photos of the burnt LED. They shipped me another light in new packaging. I sold it to get my money back and went with their edcl-2t light.
I just ran across this after byeing one of these lights and I had mine turn on and was in my back pocket for at least 30 min its been fine so far hope it don't happen to me but glad to no they will make it right if it does
What light is that? I’ve been running an olight m2r warrior for a year and a half. I work for a Bonding company recovery team so light is important. I’ve been wanting a surefire light. Now I’m not sure. Do you think it’s just this model of their lights or others as well?
All my Surefire's work fine, have 6 models. There are other mfg's out there too, Modlite, Unity Tactical, Cloud Defenseive, Streamlight, Inforce, Insight and Olight. For tape switches on your long guns, they're seem to be a lot of complaints out there with reliability on using the tape switches. After a lot of looking, the best weapons light tape switches seem to be Surefire's tape switches.
That really stinks yours burned up. I’ve used mine a lot this hunting season, but cold weather might of helped. (knock on wood it hasn’t burned up yet.) That’s kinda worrisome, I am not a cop but this light was my everything thing light for EDC, so I think I’ll switch back to my E2D defender, I’ll miss the recharging battery but I’ll probably just carry a rechargeable steam light stylus pro, 300 lumens on height and for a pen light I’m impressed so far had it a 2 weeks. I like to have one rechargeable light for the little every day things and if using CR123 surefire lights I only use it for serious times. Don’t feel bad bout a few of us buying a $200 dollar light, not your fault surefire has a lemon, but I’ll let them slide since all other lights of there’s I have work great, I would of bought it most likely when I leaned it was duel fuel. But thank god for you to tell us about the problem so that ours doesn’t burnout in that time of need/and or life/death event. I know I’m just a EDC user but when a police officer spends $200 and depends on their light for duty, I’m very disappointed they can’t get you a light that they know will work 100%, scary they asked if it came on in pocket, that happens to all of us but I just have to recharge or put new battery in that light not fear it’s burnt out and now trash. Thanks for keeping us in the loop. Let us know how next one does for you. I really hope it was just a run of bad luck and the quality is fixed. Have a merry Christmas and happy new year buddy!
Well brother, you made my mind up, I’m not getting one, I’m a Cop I need a light to work until the battery dies and then replace and repeat as long as I need it to
Yikes, twice in a row! I'm thinking 1,500 lumens is just too bright. I'm currently looking at the 6PX Tactical for my offhand weapon light, only 600 lumens.
I decided to pick up the new Olight GL M green laser for myself this year during Black Friday’s 50% off sales and just love it so far. The torture test videos on them was intense and sold me on it for the price.
Holy fuck; the internet. Millions of Surefire products have been used in battle, trust me, they’re reliable. These guys are most likely burning out their lights.
Have you tried Modlite? I purchased their PL350 w/ PLHv2 head for my pistol and their 18650 w/ OKW head for my AR. I had a Surefire on the pistol and Olight on the rifle. So far I'm digging the Modlite!
Idk man. I’ve used surefire for 20 years . Never had much of a problem . I’d put my life on their lights or a repair . Things do tear up … if you had a battery running over voltage it will burn the black hole in .
You as a professional need great reliable gear.. that light ain’t working for you. I use a stream light stinger. It’s a little larger but an awesome light.
Damn, their circuitry to the lowest level. Try Elzetta or Malkoff, much better than Surefire specially in terms of quality, durability, and reliability. I have an Elzetta Bravo, I ran it 20mins and it is barely hot.
Sadly, this issue should not have to have been elevated to a supervisor level. The level one techs should have not given you lip about it at all. When I was shopping for tactical lights, I looked at Surefire as well as Olight and decided to go with Olight. IMO, both are equally good, sorry for your issues. My Olight Seeker2 has been with me for a few years. The black finish has rubbed off in some areas, I have dropped it from a 20 foot ladder I was one and it hit concrete. Outside of nicks and dings, it still works like a champ. It also has a USB rechargeable battery.
I switched to Olight flashlights. I have many now and never an issue and I use nightly. And all of them are rechargeable. Never need to replace batteries. Surefire batteries got expensive
I personally have 4 olight sitting on a shelf-broken. All were very lightly used. One of them was a very expensive olight 11,000 lumen light. In my opinion it’s junk. Nitecore last longer from personal use..the older Nitecore keychain lights have been amazing. Beat the crap out of it for 3.5-4 years and still works.
The Elzetta Bravo B331 with a Thyrm Switchback is the best light that I have seen so far. It is also the most durable and reliable. Elzetta also uses very thick aluminum and purposely limits lumen output for reliability reasons. That is why they NEVER fail. The fully potted electronics and 1 inch thick solid acrylic optical lenses put other brands to shame. If you need a small light though, the Surefire E2T-MV Tactician is excellent.
Yep some have lumen step down. I guess this surefire doesn't. So it's up to you to feel the heat from it and know you're getting the light too hot and to turn it off to let it cool or go down to lower mode.
I love Surefire but the question is do I love them because I love the idea of USA made gear? yeah...if Surefire was all chinese made tomorrow how many people would just move on to something like Streamlight instead...Its a big question...of course all brands can have problems its not a china vs US thing BUT for the money we spend on US stuff becasue of our patriotism and thought its just better is pretty high...Nothing is fool proof, but one thing we do rely on with US gear is it will keep getting replaced unlike some chinese companies who lack customer service and warranty work...I love supporting US companies but I find myself just using and enjoying more and more chinese knives and lights as time goes on without problems at a much lower cost...
And, as long as they have their customer service in the States, we can speak with someone in English, not Chinglish.
Also $200 is a lot to just give up on, that’s probably why if someone has a $20-$45 light they could just move on much easier, I know I would lol. I would have preferred if Surefire would have offered me a completely different model and put an end to this..
Okay..thank you for sharing this. I was going to get one, decided on the Cloud Defensive MCH instead.
How long did you leave it on? Heat can hurt flashlights and some have built in lumen step down, but maybe this one doesnt. So youd have to pay more attetion to how much heat its putting off if using on the highest mode.
Paul I had one of these one of the nicest lights I ever had but it got hot on me multiple times I got rid of it after 2 exchange good luck merry x-mas
You should try the Surefire james Yeager light. Believe it’s called the tactician
Great stuff thanks for the info
I agree with cutleryLover. I have no problem paying for items / gear made in the greatness USofA. But quality & over the top customer must be provided & ready to back up why you paid for. Hope they do it right for you!
Do you have another light that you would recommend?
Couple of questions: with the clip you've added is there still plenty of skin contact when in use? Not excusing the lack of thermal regulation, but I think it probably relies on skin contact for some heat dispersal..?
Second, on the second identical failure should you be considering asking for a refund? Sounds like it's not fit for purpose. :-(
Some people bash Olight but I've had great service out of several of their models. I realize they're made in China but I've been happy with them.
I have a couple of Surefire lights also that I've used while helping Border Patrol in Arizona. They've been great lights also.
No bueno. I have had good luck with Fenix. The PD32 is sweet.
I'm wondering what type of LEDs surefire is using
How do you know they didn't just repair the 1st one??
I have the same model and the tail cap finally broke on me a while back.
You know I’m a Surefire Fanboy. But this is ridiculous these are expensive as fuck and these should be lasting for the price we pay for these. These are supposed to be used. I’m glad they are getting you a new one though. I’d love to see ya with a Streamlight
Thank God you had backup when it happened the first time
Thanks for making this video. Been researching lights to put on my AR. I looked at the price at surefire and was kind of shocked. What would be your recommendation? Olight? Thoughts sir?
Stream light
@@PickleishBILL Will look into it. Thanks.
I’m putting an Odin Mini thru the ringer on my MK18 I’ll find out for 100 bucks I could replace it 6 times and still be ahead
@@cheatham777 lol
I have this exact light and mine burned out too. Contacted Surefire and sent them photos of the burnt LED. They shipped me another light in new packaging. I sold it to get my money back and went with their edcl-2t light.
I just ran across this after byeing one of these lights and I had mine turn on and was in my back pocket for at least 30 min its been fine so far hope it don't happen to me but glad to no they will make it right if it does
What light is that? I’ve been running an olight m2r warrior for a year and a half. I work for a Bonding company recovery team so light is important. I’ve been wanting a surefire light. Now I’m not sure. Do you think it’s just this model of their lights or others as well?
Fury duel fuel 1500 Lumens, pretty sure it’s just this light with problems
All my Surefire's work fine, have 6 models. There are other mfg's out there too, Modlite, Unity Tactical, Cloud Defenseive, Streamlight, Inforce, Insight and Olight. For tape switches on your long guns, they're seem to be a lot of complaints out there with reliability on using the tape switches. After a lot of looking, the best weapons light tape switches seem to be Surefire's tape switches.
Olight warrior for me 2 years and still running strong.....
I bought mine and it showed up burnt out. Mine is on the way to surefire. Is yours burning out with the rechargeable battery or the 123s
Good question
That really stinks yours burned up. I’ve used mine a lot this hunting season, but cold weather might of helped. (knock on wood it hasn’t burned up yet.) That’s kinda worrisome, I am not a cop but this light was my everything thing light for EDC, so I think I’ll switch back to my E2D defender, I’ll miss the recharging battery but I’ll probably just carry a rechargeable steam light stylus pro, 300 lumens on height and for a pen light I’m impressed so far had it a 2 weeks. I like to have one rechargeable light for the little every day things and if using CR123 surefire lights I only use it for serious times. Don’t feel bad bout a few of us buying a $200 dollar light, not your fault surefire has a lemon, but I’ll let them slide since all other lights of there’s I have work great, I would of bought it most likely when I leaned it was duel fuel. But thank god for you to tell us about the problem so that ours doesn’t burnout in that time of need/and or life/death event. I know I’m just a EDC user but when a police officer spends $200 and depends on their light for duty, I’m very disappointed they can’t get you a light that they know will work 100%, scary they asked if it came on in pocket, that happens to all of us but I just have to recharge or put new battery in that light not fear it’s burnt out and now trash. Thanks for keeping us in the loop. Let us know how next one does for you. I really hope it was just a run of bad luck and the quality is fixed. Have a merry Christmas and happy new year buddy!
They advertise all weapons lights to stay on at full power and then start to go down in power on their own.
I've had my Surefire Defender Ultra for over 5 years now.Its got a cool patina from my pocket.I wouldn't take for it.
That’s a bummer
What I recommend go with a different model
Go with Inforce, Modlite, Streamlight or Insight.
did you use surefire official battery?
Good quesiton
What did you end up using as your duty belt light?
I’m still using the new one they sent
@@humans4targets2interesting
Well brother, you made my mind up, I’m not getting one, I’m a Cop I need a light to work until the battery dies and then replace and repeat as long as I need it to
You can trust your life with Malkoff Devices. Never a failure on 10 years of hard use with his products.
@@louie4316 thank you Sir I’ll check them out
Surefire should put a higher powered LED in the light maybe something like an xhp 70.2 be perfect for this light
Yikes, twice in a row! I'm thinking 1,500 lumens is just too bright. I'm currently looking at the 6PX Tactical for my offhand weapon light, only 600 lumens.
Reddit be like: At least you weren't using an Olight, they'll blow up in your hand like a grenade.
I decided to pick up the new Olight GL M green laser for myself this year during Black Friday’s 50% off sales and just love it so far. The torture test videos on them was intense and sold me on it for the price.
Great, now I have to have a lingering doubt about all my Surefires in the back of my mind at all times. Guess they're not so surefire after all.
Holy fuck; the internet. Millions of Surefire products have been used in battle, trust me, they’re reliable. These guys are most likely burning out their lights.
I would use a different surefire...That light should not be doing that...2 lights i wouldn't trust my life to it....Get rid of it....
Have you tried Modlite? I purchased their PL350 w/ PLHv2 head for my pistol and their 18650 w/ OKW head for my AR. I had a Surefire on the pistol and Olight on the rifle. So far I'm digging the Modlite!
The Modlite PL350 is garbage dude I have one
@@Highgear145 Mine is great.
im not a fan of spending that kinda money on a surefire its alot for a flashlight but they are nice
Streamlight 🇺🇸
The burned up LED looks pretty similar to an XHP50.2
I love surefire but I swear by streamlight I have never had any problems with streamlight
I've had 2 streamlights fall apart on me. But I did use them a lot. They were past warranty and steamlight wouldn't replace.
GeT mE a MaNaGeR!
Paul look at cloud defensives new light. They just put out a video on it today it comes out q1 2022
Definitely check that out!
I tried to stay all USA made parts on my AR15 but when it came to a weapons light the American products fail more often.
Have you tried Elzetta?
@@leanit5756
I have not heard of them before and will definitely check them out.
Thanks for the lead.
Idk man. I’ve used surefire for 20 years . Never had much of a problem . I’d put my life on their lights or a repair . Things do tear up … if you had a battery running over voltage it will burn the black hole in .
I want my gun to go bang after my light first ID’s the intruder.
Buy a modlite!
Magic smoke.
they're probably importing bad parts, Chinese giving them the crap
Do Olights do this too
Yes and they'll burn your house down when they turn on even when locked out.
Dang
You as a professional need great reliable gear.. that light ain’t working for you. I use a stream light stinger. It’s a little larger but an awesome light.
It's a (tac light) not a flashlight.
Sorry I don't know anything 🤣🤣🤣
Surefire has gone down hill as a company
How so?
Damn, their circuitry to the lowest level. Try Elzetta or Malkoff, much better than Surefire specially in terms of quality, durability, and reliability. I have an Elzetta Bravo, I ran it 20mins and it is barely hot.
Look at the CE logo. It's not the legitimate Conformité Européene logo but the fake China export logo. Cancel that flashlight brand.
That is the second Surefire light that they sent me direct from California, not sure how that could possibly be fake.
Sadly, this issue should not have to have been elevated to a supervisor level. The level one techs should have not given you lip about it at all. When I was shopping for tactical lights, I looked at Surefire as well as Olight and decided to go with Olight. IMO, both are equally good, sorry for your issues. My Olight Seeker2 has been with me for a few years. The black finish has rubbed off in some areas, I have dropped it from a 20 foot ladder I was one and it hit concrete. Outside of nicks and dings, it still works like a champ. It also has a USB rechargeable battery.
I used to have Streamlights and Surefires when I was a cop
I just bought an Olight Odin Mini for my Mk 18 DD I love it! Only $ 110 never going back
Hi. Bud👋🏻❤️👍
I switched to Olight flashlights. I have many now and never an issue and I use nightly. And all of them are rechargeable. Never need to replace batteries. Surefire batteries got expensive
Yeah, I'd just replace with a Warrior Mini 2, I use one every day, no problemo so far.
I personally have 4 olight sitting on a shelf-broken. All were very lightly used. One of them was a very expensive olight 11,000 lumen light. In my opinion it’s junk. Nitecore last longer from personal use..the older Nitecore keychain lights have been amazing. Beat the crap out of it for 3.5-4 years and still works.
The Elzetta Bravo B331 with a Thyrm Switchback is the best light that I have seen so far. It is also the most durable and reliable. Elzetta also uses very thick aluminum and purposely limits lumen output for reliability reasons. That is why they NEVER fail. The fully potted electronics and 1 inch thick solid acrylic optical lenses put other brands to shame. If you need a small light though, the Surefire E2T-MV Tactician is excellent.
Get an Olight, Thats why Olight has lumens step down
Yep some have lumen step down. I guess this surefire doesn't. So it's up to you to feel the heat from it and know you're getting the light too hot and to turn it off to let it cool or go down to lower mode.
SF's CS has sucked for last 15 yrs. I think Apple must be running SF, hah
Lol
Idk if they sucked that long. Military uses them sometimes.
surefires are overrated overpriced and they think theyre untouchable. the geissele of lights basically.
Idk. I've had good luck with them but I never tried the model he's using.