Problems We Will Face Living On Titan
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- Welcome to a journey beyond our planet Earth. Today, we embark on a cosmic exploration of Titan, the largest moon of Saturn. This celestial marvel wrapped in an amber haze calls us to explore its alien landscapes and consider the audacious dream of making it a second home for humanity.
But, just like any big dream, it's not going to be easy. We've got a lot of work to do before Titan can be like a second Earth. In this video, we'll talk about the tough stuff people would have to deal with if they want to live there. Are you ready for the adventure?
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Titan Description
For those among you who don’t know what Titan is exactly, here’s a brief description. Feel free to skip this part if you are already a pro!
Titan, the second largest moon in our solar system, surpasses the size of the planet Mercury. Only Jupiter's moon Ganymede outshines Titan, but only by a slight margin of approximately 2 percent.
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1st Problem: The Titan Environment
You see, Titan's air is thick and mostly made of nitrogen, with a bit of methane and ethane mixed in. Just to give you an idea, if we stood on Titan's surface, the air pressure would be over 50% higher than what we're used to on Earth
As we navigate the challenges of Titan's atmosphere, the key lies in adaptability and innovation. While breathing the air on Titan may seem like an elusive dream today, the relentless pursuit of knowledge and technological advancement might one day turn this dream into a reality.
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2nd Problem: The Titan Climate
But it's not just the lack of oxygen; Titan's climate poses another challenge. The average surface temperature hovers around minus 290 degrees Fahrenheit (-179 degrees Celsius).
3rd problem: Limited Power
Next on our list is the issue of energy. On Earth, we harness the power of the sun for solar energy. But Titan, located ten times farther from the sun than Earth, receives only about 1% of the sunlight we're accustomed to. A solar panel on Titan is like a flashlight in a dimly lit room - it doesn’t provide the energy needed for a thriving settlement.
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4th Problem: Scarce Water Resources
Water, the elixir of life on Earth, presents another hurdle on Titan. Though there are indications of liquid water beneath the icy surface, it's not readily accessible. On Earth, we take for granted the abundance of water, with vast oceans covering over 70% of our planet. Titan, on the other hand, offers only small lakes and rivers, equivalent to a drop in the ocean of Earth's water supply.
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5th problem: Communication Lag
As we look to establish a human presence on Titan, one of the significant challenges that arises is communication. The vast distance between Titan and Earth introduces a communication lag, reshaping the way we connect across the cosmic expanse.
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Who's better: Mars or Titan?
As we discussed in one of our last videos, the main issue with Titan is its tremendous distance from us, it being roughly a billion miles from Earth. That would mean a journey of at least seven years.
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00:00 Intro
00:47 Titan Description
2:25 1st Problem: The Titan Environment
7:06 2nd Problem: The Titan Climate
9:40 4th Problem: Scarce Water Resources
12:07 5th problem: Communication Lag
14:06 Who's better: Mars or Titan?
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Titan may not have "the stunning views we're used to on Earth" but (assuming you could see well enough through it's atmosphere from the ground) it does have a spectacular view of Saturn, especially at night.
Well, it does depend on where you are on Titan. The moon is tidally locked to Saturn so the planet will always be in the same spot. If you are facing the other direction, you will never see it. While Saturn will be about 11 times the size of the moon from Earth, it will be much fainter as it gets 1/10 th the light. And then there is the thick, hazy atmosphere.
That 7 year travel needs a lot of tech to keep you healthy. I don't think we are ready for that for a long long time
Not really we have had the technology to explore our solar system since the late 1960s we just won’t do it due to political BS and the fact that space exploration agencies get fed the scraps under the table like a dog for their budget.
They also reckon Mars is 7 months. Mars is often quoted as 7 months, 2 years, sometimes with or without optimal orbital windows and/or return flights. It's all pretty much useless bollocks unless they say what they're actually talking about. There are buildable engines that can get us to Mars in a month. It's always going to be a compromise between lots of things though. A few weeks would be expensive. Either way though you're right a lot needs to be done to mitigate the effects of travel because really it's only ever going to be mitigation. People need to start waking up to the reality that space exploration whether it's travel or mulling around on other moons and planets we are going to eat rads. It's not avoidable, we're gonna chonk them, all we can do is mitigate it in as many ways as possible. Currently though the reality itself is scaring so many people off.
200 years before we can attempt a crewed trip to Titan , my opinion, and that's if the lessons we learn with Mars trips go very well.
Yes. The travel time is a huge issue and then there's the problem with microgravity and how negative its effects are on the human body. Many of the problems described in this video have at least theoretical, if often impractical, solutions but we don't have any answer at all for the problem of gravity, both for the trip to Titan and then for actually living there (since Titan itself also has very low gravity).
We will probably not be able to colonize off-planet if we cannot figure out a way to make Mars work.
True, but this is if we use chemical rockets, if we use some near future tech like nuclear thermal propulsion or ion engines powered by nuclear reactor ( powering them with solar energy at Saturn's orbit would be silly ) we could cut down travel time to Titan
14:50 Yep sadly Titan does not have magnetic field on it's own BUT if i remember well , Titan is still protected by Saturn's magnetic field and its outside Saturn's main radiation belt so colonists wouldnt need to worry about radiation
Muthafuckin right!
You can't terraform Titan. It has even lower gravity than Earth's Moon. The only reason it can retain an atmosphere is because of the cryogenic temperature at its distance from the Sun. Warm the surface enough for humans to survive and Titan's atmosphere would evaporate. Besides, the surface "rocks" are made out of water ice, not silicates and metals. They would melt. Even building enclosed settlements would be problematic. Unless your seals are way better than what we build, all those hydrocarbons will be constantly leaking in, which in high concentrations would be toxic and potentially explosive and in low concentrations would make you sick. It would be like living in an oil refinery.
The atmospheric pressure thing is one that gets me. I saw another video that made this out to be a pretty much nonissue, but I feel like the person who made that video has never dealt with heavy air.
Man, just love this kind of video ! Keep em coming :)!
These videos always say; "we'll just build, Robots, and turbines, and nuclear reactors" etc.
They never say... First we need to build the infrastructure, the mining capabilities, the factories...
Great video and information !
Left completely unaddressed is this: Why would anyone want to live on such a distant and hellish world as Titan?
The same people who live in the Volcanic hellscape of Hawaii?
@@musicalneptunian that volcanic hawaii is billion times more accomodating of life than titan .
I think Titan is a lot less hellish than many other places in the solar system. I don't know that anyone would want to live there for the fun of it, but there's value in having a colony there, just like having people in Antarctica. Having a functional colony on Titan would further our understanding of the solar system, biochemistry, physics, engineering, etc. Beyond that, it could be a launching pad for space craft to explore the outer solar system, the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud beyond it. It puts us in proximity to other moons which may be loaded with mineral resources and that could be very profitable long term. Finally, it could give us a second home, when Earth becomes uninhabitable. If done properly, living on a colony wouldn't be hellish. Sure, it would be limited, but you wouldn't have to live underground like a mole, you wouldn't have to go out in pressurized suits, just very warm ones with an oxygen tank, and you'd have a great view of Saturn if you're on the half of Titan that faces it.
@@SeattleSandro Seems to me that, if there is going to be a colony on Titan, etc., it will be at least 1-2 centuries from now if/when we have Star Trek-like technology.
Just resupplying a Titan colony once per year with current tech. would be a major effort/expense, which would limit budget for unmanned exploration, which is much more efficient.
I'm deeply intrigued by the recent findings of prebiotic chemistry in Titan's thick, nitrogen-rich atmosphere, a feature unique among moons in our solar system. The presence of surface liquid hydrocarbons, primarily methane and ethane, in its numerous lakes and seas, highlights its potential for astrobiological studies and challenges our understanding of habitable environments.
That was experimentally demonstrated by Borucki (Kepler daddy) et al, in the early 1980s. That's why it became such an interesting target. Stanley Miller (Nobel Pr, 'Origins of Life') and Carl Sagan were also in on it as the same mechanisms that occurred on primitive Earth are probable there on Titan. Of course there's not much chance for complexity to arise in those conditions but, hey, life is life, and if all the prebiotic requirements are there (forming basic building blocks of amino acids) then it's just a matter of time.
Introducing Oxygen into a methane rich air environment and hydrocarbon lakes… that goes boom, it goes boom Bob, it goes boom.
The space suits need only have temperature control and breathable air. No need for bulky pressure suits as Titan's atmosphere is even higher than earth's.
If we keep it up here, we'll have earth looking similar pretty soon.
Anytime this channel produces a video about colonizing other planets and moons, all I can think about is the video he put out that said we would never colonize Mars -- or even step foot there -- and that it was literally impossible. I still enjoy this channel, but I obviously haven't managed to get past that statement. It definitely makes it harder to take them serious when they produce content like this.
The question not raised is: What’s the point of spending billions to send humans to die in a frozen wasteland a billion miles away? What upside could there possibly be?
The possibility that we are making Earth unlivable for future humans? We should do everything we can to prevent that, but due to the alarming amount of people who don't take climate change seriously. It would be a good idea to prepare a new place for us to go.
Either way the Earth will not be able to support life indefinitely due to the nature of the sun's life cycle so regardless finding a new home for humanity is necessary if we want our species to survive.
The solution to problem #4 is to colonize Enceladus simultaneously, as it has plenty of water. Should be more efficient than mining for water on Titan.
Enceladus Advance Party.
Then the Titan Main Force.
Could you make a follow up video about the benefits of colonizing Titan please?
It's a nice to think of but at this point (and for the next 20 innovative years) we need to learn on our moon first (assuming there is not a tremendous leap in propulsion technology beforehand).
As if it’s ever gonna happen! Really!
Ain't gonna happen for at least 200 years. We'll be lucky to make it to Mars in this life time. Humanity has a higher probability of destroying our selves before we ever get to Saturn.
The earth in its worse state of environmental degradation is far better than any other planet. If we invest a fraction of all the energy invested in attempting to run away to another planet in protecting and being more environmentally protective of this beautiful world all will be well
But what about the billionaires?
They gotta make even more money man.
Earth only exists to make Elon and Bezos rich.
This has always been my argument. It seems to me a pipe dream. Sure, it's fun to think about, but we could have all out nuclear warfare worldwide and the resulting landscape would still be less hostile than the most hospitable planet/moon we've found yet. We may have scientific research outposts in the future. But humanity as a whole isn't going anywhere.
He just said the air pressure is 50% more than on Planet Earth and it would be like the pressure at 50 feet below the surface of 🌊💦 that deep, and now he's talking about adding more gas into the atmosphere, molecular oxygen, so then it will be even more pressure with the added gas. Gosh it will be like being under more than 50 feet of 🌊💦. Water. Pressure. Die. 😮
Pressure outside and inside the body equalizes. You'd not even notice.
The problem with using methane for energy production is that we first would have to introduce oxygen into the atmosphere. Without oxygen methane doesn't burn.
ummm...earth's coldest recorded temperature is a LOT colder than -60 C. The coldest reliably recorded air temperature in Antarctica is about -89 C. By satellite, it's been measured in the -90's. It's been colder than -60 even in the northern hemisphere.
Liked the research on Titan and comparison with living on Mars
Good idea in a few hundred years
Sooner or later we will be exploring Titan 😊
Hold up, I could be an ice miner in my solitary Titan-adapted truck, with work bots assisting and a good uplink to TitanNet for entertainment? I could stay out mining ices for maybe a week or so? WIN!!!
Titan is rich in water, organics, and volatiles, but poor in metals. Because of its distance from the sun nuclear power sources will be needed, but Titan is just a lightweight, mushy ball. A nuclear reactor would sink into it. And it couldn't be assembled on Titan anyway, not from locally mined minerals. Jovian moons are more promising. Metals are plentiful and easy to mine in the nearby asteroid belt.
"Problems We Will Facing Living On Titan"
No nightlife.
gotta wonder just how much all these variables would change once the sun becomes a red giant. certainly the temp should rise significantly from -290
Another question: All the effort to make Titan livable would cost billions. What, beyond scientific observations, could possibly make such an investment worthwhile?
Yeah, billions that could make an artificial satellite closer to Earth that is far more habitable.
This is the first time I have seen a video start bringing up the importance of putting satellites on other moons and planets. We need to stretch the network if we are serious about mankind moving towards being a multi planet group. Start with the dark side of the moon and move on from there
Titan's thick atmosphere provides shielding from solar radiation. Settling there is much more plausible than settling on mars.
Not at all. The immense distance is the killing blow for making a viable colony right now or anytime soon. Not to mention it’s colder than mars and receives less sunlight by a wide margin. Making food would also be an immense challenge.
I don’t plan on living on Titan any time soon. If I do, I want drive up banking and Amazon delivery.
Where's the energy coming from to electrolyze the water 🌊 💦 for oxygen production?
Solar energy?
Nuclear power?
Wind turbines?
Wave machines?
What is the energy source?
You could solve the communication problem by setting up communication satellites with overlapping coverage areas throughout the solar system to ensure consistent signal coverage. They could be designed with the capability of maneuvering to avoid asteroids or other space junk and with the added benefit that they can be upgraded as technology gets better so that as time passes signal lag gets shorter and shorter until communication is instant. This also has the benefit of making it easier to establish other colonies.
I'd go
Ok, but how do we keep Saturn from microwaving us daily in the long term?
Im glad that you told the temperature also in celsius. No you could tell distances in big macs, or any other measurments that makes sence outside of us.
Wouldn’t terraforming by adding a lot of oxygen to a methane and ethane rich environment just create a giant bomb? Also, if objects were put into the ground that heated certain areas it would change the delicate balance that keeps the methane and ethane a liquid which is a minimal 20 degree difference from becoming a gas which would then again change the balance of the air and atmosphere?
I mean, its quite cold.
All this being said, why would anyone want to live there or Mars for that matter? Our weak physiology would never survive. Is there enough science to justify the cost?
Future people never forget we dreamed these dreams for you to turn to reality.
If we introduce massive amounts of Oxygen to the atmosphere without first removing almost all of the methane we will create a planet sized Molotov Cocktail that could be set ablaze with static electricity.
One wouldn't be adding the element oxygen into the atmosphere. We cannot breath elemental oxygen. He meant to say molecules, not element. 😮😢😢😢
The Uber Eats fees will be horrendous
I could be a ice miner if someone build a exo spacesuit.
An enclosed habitat containing oxygen. It's called a space suit. 😮😅😅😅
You got temperature wrong - 89 C or - 128 F
This all stuff's real fascinating and stuff but let's just be honest because it's a red pill kind of thing until we actually invent a Starship Enterprise we're not going to be able to get much past Mars
By reading the title, it looks like grammar will be an issue.
-140 Degrees Fahrenheit is -95.6 degrees Celsius
I noticed that too.
I've been to the year 3000....Jonas bros... maybe by then.. Titan will not be colonized in the foreseeable future, but ultimately, maybe
Um.... Titan is protected by Saturn's Magnetic Field.... Saturn's Magnetic Field is very very large.
No one is settling on Titan any time soon.
Burning methane would require oxygen, a lot of oxygen.
Erm the problems we will face when we get to Titan erm we can’t get back to the moon without thinking about going to Titan🙄
Not happening, we are not going to live there.....
Maybe one day some people will
freezing cold and no oxygen
Not now not never
Building underground on Titan is a big mistake, on Earth the ground is quite hot and give a regulated temperature, it's not the same on Titan, it's not hot but the ground is at -180°c so it's like building inside a block of ice!! And on the surface you still can get a little dim light. Titan is very far from the sun, so expect to live in an eternal dusk.
It's easier to insulate from a gas that from a solid, so building outside would give better insulation and of course much more affordable.
I guess if you go deep enough inside Titan you could get a higher temperatuire like on Earth but well that's not an easy task, if you need to dig a kilometer deep that's a big problem.
Power extract oxygen from water. Combust titan hydrocarbons with oxygen to run steam electric generators
We will facing living on titan..? Looks like the AI making the content for this channel is still screwing up the titles😂
oh god the voice leaves a lot to be desired. pro tip: imagine it's sleepy time
your way of speech is hilarious
Mars is the better option over Tiat❤
I say absolutely no on Titan. Why would we waste our time on an object that is so cold that we would not even be able to survive in the environment if it had enough oxygen that just seems retarded to me and a waste of funding
WHY WOULD you put DIRTY NUCLEAR POWER PLANETS there? Plus, you HAVE TO SUPPLY POWER TO A NUKE PLANT FOR IT TO WORK!
Earth is our home and the only place we know of that we can survive. Do we really want to travel so far to suffocate and die?
Downvoted because the idea that wind or tidal turbines will somehow be a more efficient energy source than the copious quantities of hydrocarbons laying openly at or near the surface is rank Green propaganda.
Like it will be cost effective to fly a disassembled wind turbine and tower halfway across the solar system? Sure...
Nope.
What do you mean "We"!? Be sure to write...
To understand how cold this is -- if someone taps you on the shoulder, your arm will fall off.
What???
😂😂😂
He claims -140°F equals -60°C. That's not true.
If he cannot get that right, then this whole video is just a piece of work. He's making stuff up.
Good grief. Oh, god. Go believe anything a talking head says. That'll get you far. What is the intended audience for these videos?
Ya @jason 7 or 8 year travel time to Titan needs to be significantly reduced. Probably around 10% of the speed of light? I like how the astronauts in these videos walk 😆 they walk around like a toddler in a bad mood
Be real We're staying on earth this is all unrealistic
Today we embark.... soooo GPT generated 😂😂😂
Title grammar terrible is - know what I mean
Or... instead of dreaming about living in phenomenally horrific environments. Maybe we should just stop screwing up the wonderful planet we actually are meant to live on.
Remember, the worst day in the Antarctic is better than the best day on Mars, by orders of magnitude.
This feels like a repetitive and dumbed down version of videos that have been done and smacks of plagiarism.
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cool, but please, speak slower 😃
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STOP TALKING LIKE THAT please! It's really annoying to hear you shift from low pitch to high pitch constantly ... no one talks like that!
Sounds like a terrible idea
I don't think "scientists" take in the equation of Saturn's radiation or Jupiter's if they jump on its moons.
Sounds like a waste of time and money. How about we clean up the planet we currently live on and not scar others with our footprints.
Why spend resources inventing a lightbulb amirite?
No, we are not planning on moving there, but in the future we could send a small colony worth of people there to live for a few years before returning to earth, its not about escaping earth, its about exploring our solar system and other worlds
There are trillions of planets waiting to be colonized! Earth is insufficent to provvide the ever growing resources needed.
Besides we need to start increasing our sphere of influence in the Galaxy and Universe. Cant stay stuck in a single miserable solar system.
Resouces and expansion is the key for humanity survival.