The Volkswagen W10 Is A Real Engine
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The 2000s was arguably the decade of the 10 cylinder engine: Dodge had their V10 powered Viper since 1989 and they even stuffed a Viper V10 into the Ram pickup truck, Lamborghini and Audi jointly developed a V10 to be used in the Gallardo (later Huracan) and R8 supercars respectively with Audi even stuffing that V10 into sedans and even wagons. BMW, being heavily involved in Formula 1 at the time, also put a V10 in their M5 sedan and wagon. Porsche took their V10 that they had developed for motorsports in the 90s and put into a road car: the Carrera GT. A car considered to be one of the best sounding cars of all time but also one of the most difficult cars to drive (which we sadly found out the hard way in 2013). Toyota, also being involved in Formula 1 during this time, was developing a V10 around this time with Yamaha which made it's way into the Lexus LFA: a car which many consider to be THE best sounding car of all time. And of course, there was the 3 litre era of Formula 1 that lead to arguably the best sounding era of the sport with all the teams opting for V10s over V12s and V8s.
Yes, the decade saw plenty of V12s, V8s (naturally aspirated or otherwise) and so many other different configurations of engines but we never had so many V10s before or after since. I miss those days.
Don't forget the Ford Triton V10 in their commercial line.
Yes.. make V10 great again, McLaren did that with Solus
I will admit that the teams opted for V10s. But the V12s sounded much better. More melodic.
@@ImInLoveWithBullaA V12 makes beautiful, harmonious sounds, a V10 makes shrieking wookie murder sounds, It sounds scary, dissonant, resonant, and violent. Just my opinion.
babe wake up new w10 lore dropped
When i was in highschool in 2010 i discovered the vr6 and thought it was the coolest sounding engine to ever exist. It does have a bery unique sound
Ya its definitely one of the best and unique
It really is one of the bery bery vest 😂😂
@@mohammadsattar5488 lol whoopsy
Still one of my favorite engine configurations, I'd always choose a VR instead of an inline.
It sounds nice, but the rear bank constantly cooked itself.
Formerly a proud owner of a 2001 GTI VR6...I've heard them with many different exhaust systems...but the Remus exhaust REALLY brings out the sound. Perfect blend of low end rumble, and not annoyingly loud on the high-end
Great video ! You ALWAYS teach me some engine knowledge that is new to me, and, even better, VERY interesting and inspiring .. so there is a 10-cylinder version of the VR engine concept, created by putting two VR5 in a classic V-engine layout, whoaa, just lovely, that's what a gearhead's wet dreams are made of 😍😆😅 ... you didn't mention it a single time in the video, but i know you're completely aware of the enormous potential in the VR concept that can easily be unleashed with some - or even better - much boost. VR5 and VR6 both are capable of doing 400-500 hp for many years/ hundredthousands of kilometres if it's done right. Now let that sink in and think again about that 10-cylinder engine 😳😳😮🦾
As an ex- Golf VR5 owner, the story of W10 is wildly cool!
That thing would probably split the gearbox of a jetta or golf, but it would be one hell of a ride while I lasted LOL AWD would make sure all that power made it to the ground. If the driver had capable hands and big balls, that would make for one hell of a fun ride ha ha
@@KlodFather It sure will! I also had some gearbox issues with the VR5
@@Specproof - YOu drive... I'll ride shotgun. I brought an extra pair of underware for both of us LOL
I wish VW also made a VR2, a modern take on Lancia’s VR4, a VR 8 (half of a W16), a W4 (two of those VR2s), VR7s, W14s, VR9s, W18s, VR10s, and finally W20s. Why? Because engineering and the ability to be modular to an extent. Maybe I’ll have to take on these as engineering projects one day and make a modular VR/W engine family
It would be cool if that could be fitted in a Saab 96 as well. (The Lancia V4 was in the race with the Ford V4 to become the Saab 96 OEM engine).
@@hugobloemers4425 I’d have to look at the engine mount locations if I ever follow through with this
all of the vr engines are terrible designs for anything other than packaging. rod to stroke ratio/angles are trash, exhaust heat from the front bank goes directly into the bank adjacent, the head also doesn’t flow equally across all cylinders.
Engines with less than 3 cylinders sound tired and boring, so no deal... See a video of the Fiat 500 2 cylinder. That little thing screaming for his life at 6000 rpm's and it sounds like its at 3000....
I m sure I m not the only one to comment on the outstanding graphic for the VW W10 working. The accompanying soundtrack, in sync with the "cartoon", that unique, beguiling and unmistakable ten cylinder sound, did seem to have the character and quality of a W10 - although I couldn't describe exactly what that was and how it differs from a V10. Somehow "lumpier" - yet weirdly smoother - at the same time. If indeed it is the real McCoy, an actual recording of one of the three ever made, that is remarkable!❤
That's actually a simulation program that can reproduce the sound an engine would make based off the actual physics iirc
@kasuraga yup. The guy who made it has a CZcams channel. It's called Ange the great.
Exellent review about the history of the VR engines.
Ohhh... that tone!
It sounds FANTASTIC!
That's quite a story Visio. The VRs really do make a wonderful noise. Thanks, great video.
fascinating. After that pic floated around recently of the W-10 block with all the "what the heck is that" kinds of comments, it's great to get some info on the history. It's too bad everyone's going to small displacement low-cylinder-count turbo engine these days. An Atlas Cross Sport or a re-introduction of Passat, CC, or Phaeton featuring a W-8, -10, or -12 would definitely have my interest. Especially if they mount it longitudinally to drive the rear wheels primarily.
The 2000s had to have been the best decade for naturally aspirated engines: the Volkswagen Auto Group had their VR6s and W8s and W12s and they also had V10s of which some were stuffed into sedans and even wagons. Porsche had their V10 powered Carrera GT while Yamaha was developing the Lexus LFA V10 during this time and of course, there was the V10 powered Dodge Viper. Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Mercedes Benz etc all had V12 powered supercars or grand tourers and there were V8s made by every manufacturer in every part of the globe. Even the V6s were for the most part naturally aspirated unlike nowadays where they are all turbocharged for emissions and fuel economy related reasons.
We'll never experience this kind of variety ever again. But man, what a time it was to experience!
@@CyanRooperif we can get the government to open their eyes to alternative fuels and hybrids, maybe we can experience variety like that again! And maybe even have other wacky engines produced like opposed piston engines (like the Cummins ACE), H engines (two flat engines on top of each other), W engines (three, four, and five bank), X engines (two V engines laid flat kinda like this: >
@@fadedsoul23 I hope so, brother. I hope so.
That w10 sound clip is amazing!! I don't usually care so much about exhaust notes. But that thing just sounds cool. When I heard it. First thing I thought of was a guy trying to make car revving noises with a vibrator up his butt
I've long been surprised more VR engines haven't found their way into motorcycles... I'm sure there's an engineering reason that I've missed, or misunderstood, but a VR configuration in a big cruiser frame could squeeze a lot of explosions into the limited space.
Try to Google Horex vr6
Horex VR6 mate
Another incredibly informative video!
Superb stuff, this is the first time I have heard about this engine.
Looking forward to which ever engine you feature next. :)
Some guy bought the block and he’s gonna rebuild it eventually. I wanna get a scan of the block, crankshaft, and cams from him so I can one day make billet versions of them to sell
oh my days an E39 M5 with a 500hp volkswagen W10? what an incredible combination; i must have a go
WOW...... that's glorious, and a lovely vid cheers.
WOW subject! Good show!
Very cool! Thanks for this great video! 😎
I wish the VR layout was more popular, it only has few drawbacks but is extremely compact. Even a VR8 would fit in the same space an I6 does, without the added complexity of a V8.
VW before the emissions scandal were mental with their engineering, and addicted to W. I remember them sticking a W12 in a Golf where the rear seats should be.
Wasnt it a Polo or Lupo?
Thank you very much for this one :-)
If the pwrson who buys that M5 doesn't at least record the engine note for us all to hear, I'll be extremely pissed off.🤣
delightful sound
Great find ,thank you
Leave it to Volkswagen to come up with crazy engines! 😆
the sound would be glorious, No doubt.
VR6 stands AFAIK for V-Reihenmotor (inline v-engine), 6 Zylinder. It's an inline and a v-engine at the same time.
Power output of the first generation (sold as VR6) was 174PS for the 2.8L and 190PS for the 2.9L respectively here in Germany.
Yes - it sounds great. But it's engine management system was already outdated when new. It constantly runs rich and the timing chain is a pain in the a**. To sell them in the mk3 Golf they even de-tuned the (IMO superior) 2.0L 150PS ABF engine.
Albeit the strongest 4-cyl. n/a engine they ever made - with the famous Garlock chip they did ~165PS on an otherwise stock engine. When you spend a little more you can easily get to 200PS and over.
The VR6 (and later V6/R32/R36) is a tuner's favorite - but it has it's limitations. Especially in light cars like Golf mk1 - mk3, handling suffers dramatically from the massive lump hanging in front of the front axle.
For driving performance, the 1.8T or the ABF are better choices.
You mean the VW AP?
@@gabrielv.4358 Sorry - what do you mean?
Eureka! 💥Im going to name my cat "Verkurzt" 🐱👍🏿
Nice sounding w10
A couple of things IMO.
a) I'd almost put money on the engine being in a BMW was for the engineering team to hide it from their own bosses. Alot of these engines were being developed from within the engineering department without official sign off from the bean counters. This was costing VW huge amounts of money and to say that the bean counters weren't happy with the situation is a understatement.
b) Although these engines (I'm referring to the W12 for this comment) were exquisite and jewel like from a engineering perspective which I admire. In real life car owners were saddled with unbelievable maintenance expectations. For example if you owned a VW Phaeton with the W12 the factory maintenance on the valve train components called for complete replacement of the entire system in some un godly low kilometres on a regular basis. Which costs mega bucks.
It's no wonder that these Phaetons change hands so often.
They also had a multitude of issues unrelated to the engine.
Your notion of it being a secret skunkworks project by the engineers is intriguing and could even be true, although you cite no sources.
As for the various comments about the twelve cylinder Phaeton, the overall reliability of that car was indeed not great although I believe that that is at least partly an expression of resentment by owners who have neglected to provide their cars the proper specialist maintenance. Regarding the valvetrain, I don't think you were making it up - nor setting out to mislead or besmirch that aspect of the W12 - but I don't believe your contention. I worked for VAG over a nearly 19 year time scale covering the period of development of the W12 and its introduction initially in concept cars like the VW Nardo and Audi Avus. I may be wrong about the latter - Audi did several like the Rosemeyer which I think on reflection were V12. Perhaps more relevant however was the appearance of production cars in my time there featuring the engine which, by my departure was by no means limited to the Phaeton. From memory it had certainly become an option in the Audi A8 and, although not directly in my purview, various Bentleys. Whilst, of course, it was never something frequently encountered in the manner of the 1.9TDi - enough have been made, over a sufficiently long time to form an accurate picture of their performance in the sense not just of tractive effort (and it's effect on acceleration and top speed), but also its accoustics, "feel", fuel consumption, emissions, serviceability, reliability and longevity. At no point have I ever heard the issue of which you speak. The valvetrain is in fact as robust and durable as any other VW engine, that is to say: "very".
Super video, keep it up.
God I love the sound of ten cylinders
Is it true both Volkswagen's VR and W engines carried over quite a bit from the modular EA827/EA113 engines?
god... just thinking of a v10 with a vr5 warble has me drooling...
i will just remind you that corporates want to replace these mechanical masterpieces with a metal shaft rotated by magnets
Great job!
Lancia had a vr4 back in the 60s
We need to hear the actual car and get a tear down to see what it's actually made of
It's secret?
I thought they once said they were going to put it in the phaeton or something but apparently jamming 2 vr5s together wasn't the best idea lol
WHERE! Where do you get this? I have been searching this for years and haven't found it online. I want you to site your sources and SHOW me the links!
-I knew that VAG did this, a double V5, but could NOT source it. Now where did you find it?
The other one that I search about is the rumored VR4. It was built, it made 141 hp, and there are NO pictures of this engine...
A few weeks ago it was a sensation. Drive published a lot of the information, just google it
I'll do that. Great video as always!@@VisioRacer
As people have already said, amazing engineering, just not very practical in the larger number cylinder versions. V5 is probably the engine I would favour the most.
I remember that there were forklifts with vr6 that made ~80hp.
Yes
Weren't they natural gas powered?
@@acefighterpilot probably
2 vr6s attached together for a v12 option sounds musical
Isn’t that w12?
@@christian_urocaryeah, two VRs put together make a W. VR6 + VR6 = W12
@@Aleiza_49 ok that’s what I thought because I own one, but I haven’t modified the exhaust yet .
Fulvia was first VR
Pambuffetti 😍 (new brand) must uses this engine in their future hypercars 🥵, a hypercar with a W10 engine (mild hybrid or EICE (Efficient Internal Combustion Engine) 🙏🏻) made by Pambuffetti wil be amazing 😋😋🏎️. Even Dodge could make that with a possible new viper's generation (mild hybrid minimum 🤏🏻)😍😍😍.
I knew it existed! That's pretty funny it ended in a BMW...
"Audi = scheisse, I want a BMW" - Ferdinand Piech, surely.
I want a flat plane, boxer bank mid mounted w 10
Eight camshafts. That's cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
Great video! But bro, that pdf file talking about the VR and W engines, is that official material? Where'd you get it? 0.0
It is easily available on the internet
@@VisioRacer Found it! Self-Study Program 248. Thanks. 👍🏻
If only VAG had the balls to use the VR6 in vw audi with boost turbo or supercharger instead of the sht v6
What did the W8 engine go inn?!
The Passat W8 as the only road car
Hope I’m first as a V10 enthusiast
Congrats SweatySantana🥇🏆
What did it sell for?
Why Horsepower and Newton meters as measurement (thats metric and imperial)
Why not Kilowatts and Newton Meters.
Its like saying im 6ft and 2cm tall
Wait...
VR-5?!
Have the Volkswagen engineers been out back smoking reefers with the guys from Honda again?
Never heard of the VR5?
althou the VR5 doesn't sound as better as the VR6
maybe dat W10 wud be the best sounding engine ever
Interesting how these W engine are asymmetrical.
The power output of this engine can be easily surpassed by a modern 5 cyl Audi turbocharged motor which will also be lighter & more efficient. Large displacement engines (which are also incredibly complicated & expensive to rebuild) in light vehicles simply don’t make any economic sense, despite the merits of their technical achievements. Moving into the electric & hybrid era these engines are dinosaurs.
The old BMW N52 was waaayyyy easier to diagnose and fix than the modern replacement... So always take the generalisation with a grain of salt.
Was the audio at the end of the video real? If so, from what engine? Sounds like a V10, but different
It is a simulator created by AngeTheGreat, definitely check out his channel. People went crazy and made some impressive engine concept simulations
@@VisioRacer Thank you. I suspected it might have been simulated. It was cool nevertheless 😄
The vr7 would have been much better . 7/8ths of a v8 but just one head and header while being shorter than an inline-5
In "debuting" the "t" is silent.
IDK the rule, but that's the rule. F'd my spelling & still f's my reading.
Hello @visioracer
Friend of me has transport this M5. I have some exclusive videos and pictures. If you would like them let me know.
Upload!
Yes, I would love to!
I upload the video as a short on my channel.
I'm sorry but that is all I kind find and the original video got corrupted. The cold start is all I could save. But 100% the real deal. My friend does not want to be recognized because of company and customer privacy.
@@SSFproductions1 Would you mind uploading those files individually to a Google Drive to share them with me?
@@VisioRacer I can give it a try.
How very cool, a more humdrum version of this story is Ford buying a Fiat 127 to test their upcoming Fiesta engines.
I know someone that watches this must have enough money to not have to ask what that BMW costs, if so go and get it and record some sounds.
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I really miss my VW diesel v10 so much
I mean…
I can go outside to the barn and uncover her which I do once a month. I try to drive it. But whenever I do, I realize why I don’t drive it as a daily. My town car is just to comfortable to drive anything else. Plus Roads in the dmv are terrible. Plus diesel is still expensive as fuck. Still more per gallon then 93 or 97 thanks to our Socialist president who doesn’t even understand what it means to be a capitalist.
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5:37 Why no credit given to AngeTheGreat where his engine simulator is shown?