How Modern Minecraft's Music Reflects Its Flaws
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
- In this video, I will go over how I think the new music being created for Minecraft reflects the way the game is changing, maybe not in a good way. I know it's been too long since my last upload but what are ya gonna do
Topics discussed in this video: Minecraft, Minecraft Music, Minecraft Soundtrack, Minecraft OST, OST, C418, Lena Raine, Minecraft Songs, Sweden, Gaming, Gaming 2024, Minecraft Update, Minecraft Tricky Trials, Minecraft Caves and Cliffs, Minecraft Trails and Tales, Minecraft Wild Update, Minecraft Music Discs, MC, and funky mushrooms ;) - Hry
1:12 Weren't beds added in Beta 1.3?
holy shit, you're right. I swear I heard somewhere that they came after that, I have a beta 1.7.10 world I've been playing for a while and never tried to make a bed because I thought you couldn't 💀. Still, the other points I made about the difficulty at night and the general aesthetic changes still stand, even if the night is skippable in the beta version i've been playing. After all, some people prefer to go even earlier. mb about the mistake though
@@funkymushroom is beta 1.7.10 even a real version? pretty sure beta 1.7.3 was as high as beta 1.7.x ever got, and only the full release made it to 1.7.10
@@MuzikBike stop, stop, he's already dead! I must be genuinely schizophrenic or something
@@funkymushroom Do you mean release 1.7.10???
@@CaveStoryBetaFan117 no, I play beta 1.7.3, i just got the numbers mixed up
Modern Minecraft feels very corporate, every new addition is very safe and lacks creativity such as with Turtles or Armadillos, hell, Mojang even choice not to include fireflies because they thought the mechanic of frogs eating them would be harmful!
lol the fireflies thing still pisses me off to this day
That's mainly because of stinky Microsoft, and not a fault of Mojang
@@funkymushroom Same.
@@Guhgubba No, it's partly Microsofts fault, but Mojang is bar none the single most incompetent studio currently owned by Microsoft, they've fallen off. Minecraft got big on consoles because of 4J Studios, not Mojang. Hell Mojang RARELY did any major work on the game BEFORE the buyout. Notch did a LOT of the work himself. Mojang were really there mostly for Quality and Assurance testing.
@@megaman37456 'RVKE
Notch might not be the best person but he knows how to make a damn good game and he did just that. Weather anybody likes it or not Minecraft would be better with him.
I also noticed that the new musics starts immediately while playing. With old musics, their volume increase as they come from nowhere. Here, music triggers too suddenly.
Maybe it's why.
you sure you are not increasing volume intentionally because c418 is such a banger
@@realcartoongirlno all c418 music is all really quiet
@@realcartoongirl C418's music usually eases itself in while Lena Raine's just hits you in the face. Not sure if it says more about her character than it does about the game, giving off this vibe of "HAHA, IM HERE AND YOU CAN'T GET RID OF ME, DEAL WITH IT, CHUD!"
@@Lachrymogenic his
@@LachrymogenicI will send you to Tampa, Fl
Ok, but regardless of old/new preference... can we all agree it's kinda shitty that C418 basically got cut out mid-album and his third album never even made it into the game?
And it’s all because Microsoft wants all the rights to the music. Not just the rights to use it in the game and for promotional materials, but every possible usage.
And we probably won't hear none of these songs
@@marlondiriche well, we still got a few songs from album 3, it's just not in the game, sadly
@@Nova_theCat_Wait, really?? Where can I find it?
@@AndreWharn Look up Shunji, Axolotl, or Dragonfish by C418, those are the only confirmed songs from Volume Delta, and you could tell that they were meant to be released for the Update Aquatic before shit hit the fan
I loved the way somebody else described it: Modern minecraft would've never added creepers. A core addition to the identity of a game, made by a glitch no less, whose sole purpose is to be as annoying and lethal as possible, who can spawn in the overworld and is common to find on the surface at night AND what can destroy blocks, would never be added today. Im starting to also think that had the nether and the end not been added prior to the take over, we would've never gotten a new dimension, ever. It'd be a foreign concept.
Tbf, if creepers were added today everyone would despise the, as much as they despise phantoms, which is one on the problems that curbs Mojang creativity
@@vincesaenz2760
Minecraft community has over the time become really adverse to anything challenging.
@@vincesaenz2760 Not really, creepers are a source of engaging gameplay, phantoms just kind of exist and then stop existing after you type /gamerule OR swipe at them three times.
I'm sure someone is going to bring up the warden, but in my experience the warden is far too easy to avoid completely. All you have to do is sneak around and place wool... There's no actual thrill to the deep dark and I feel it completely fails at being an antagonistic force like the creeper is in the game. Phantoms also miss the mark for me because they are also very easy to avoid, again with wool
@@Ninjaananas just like the OG minecrafters, funny
I came into this expecting a 27 minute essay and got jumpscared by the conclusion (i forgot to look at the length of the vid this time round)
same ngl. amazing way to get me to subscribe and watch their other videos though xD
Same
most youtubers forgot how to make concise points and just make ramble-style scripts that wax on and on lol
@@YoungSavage It gets annoying
@@YoungSavagegotta get that 5 cents of ad revenue somehow
Old music does not fit minecraft because it was made for a lonely sandbox
Modern music does not fit because it was made for a minecraft themed rpg,not minecraft. at least it feesl like it
Old music doesn't fit new Minecraft. New music doesn't fit Minecraft at all.
New music is way too conventional and generic
I doesn't have that weird feel to it
Yea, but all the music that doesnt really fit, is all contained within music discs. The new ambience music fits well, but as the video said, the old music stands out in modern versions because it was basically made for a different atmosphere/game. Yea, new disc music doesnt have that weird feel to it, but that's for the same reason as the new ambience.
perhaps someone can make a mod or modpack that adds alot into classic minecraft, like the modern versions, but keeps things in the realm of the atmosphere instead of changing it?
idk about u guys but to me the old music still fits well.
I dunno I think they're both great
The old skeletons were on some shit ngl
You can´t sprint and they have an ak47 with aimbot.
bedrock skeletons
They were on pure calcium
@@notfundy240nah it's lead, body can't differentiate
At least so was the old bow you had. Literal machinegun fire.
I feel like Lena rains overworld tracks just dont sound like minecraft music.
Unlike c418s tracks they tend to not blend in to the background wile playing instead the sometimes seem so loud and in your face it sometimes becomes distracting.
Another critique i have is that it also sounds to emotional compared to the original tracks. They often sound like they want you to feel sad or happy. C418s overworld music gave of more ambiguous feelings allowing players to interpret them there own thoughts and feelings.
Im not saying all her tracks are bad but i feel like she isn't suited in trying to emulate C418 overworld music.
She should try to stick to making non overworld tracks. Her music is at her best when in a unfamiliar environment like the nether and ancient citys were there are basically no references from C418 to base off of. I also have no issues with the music disks because they are optional to listen to.
In the future mojang should stop trying to cram in new music in to the overworld because it dilutes the concentration of the original tracks playing. They should instead only add new music in completely new areas like a updated end or new dimension because those areas allow for lena rain to have full creativ freedom.
When Haggstrom starts playing, I can either sit down and listen to it, or keep doing whatever I was doing while listening to it.
When Left to Bloom starts playing, I have to stop playing because it kept hitting me right in the feels, making me miss a childhood that never actually happened, a friend that I didn't really have, or an item that I lost in the End.
Those tracks made by Lena Raine are really good; just that they are so intrusive for gameplay, like you've said.
I love Lena Raines music especially in celeste but I do agree with you, Lena Raines music definitely doesn't have that same feel of c418.
I think each composer makes good music, but they have different styles. These different styles can clash together. Lena’s music is too complex and feels like it is meant for chaotic RPG. To each their own I suppose, but I am glad I can access older versions of the game.
Most companies don’t officially allow you to access older versions.
so are you saying that Lena's soundtrack doesnt sound minecrafty ? well then i need you to go touch grass(play minecraft) more so you could feel it, Lena and Aaron never make me disappointed, their music is still sound minecraft
@@vusherman1125 listen I played the game ever since the 360 era and still play a good amount today so I have had more then enough time to listen to her tracks.
Her tracks sound and feel different.
This dosint mean they are bad but that there is a noticeable difference in tone and vibe between her and C418s music.
Her tracks feel way more emotional like for example left to bloom which seemingly wants you to feel in awe/buty.
Most of C418s tracks rarely sounded as emotional as her tracks leaving it more up to player to give the tracks a interpretation of thiere own.
I feel like while a lot of old minecraft's music is a lot more simplistic to it's benefit, the modern ost is a lot more musically interesting. It's like your mom's homecooked meals vs a really good quality gourmet meal. sure the gourmet one makes sense as to why it tastes good, something about your mom's cooking is calming and brings you back to a time where things were simple.
I have to disagree. On an objective level, yes, the new music is a lot more dynamic, but I think if you take a step back, the old music is a lot more interesting in the grand scheme of things. When I hear modern minecraft music, I hear Zelda, Sonic Frontiers, and every other AAA Open world game, there are moments here and there that come close to what C418 did, especially on the Nether Update OST, and I think giving full creative control for the music discs was brilliant, but the new music just sounds more generic to me.
The old stuff is more musically complex though, maybe its the familiarity we all have by now which tells us otherwise
gourmet isn’t always good
@@themc3140 I dunno...modern minecraft sounds very different from Zelda and Sonic Frontiers and has it's own nice feel to it. I wouldn't say they sound generic, they sound pretty good really, really both are good really.
@@a-ramenartist9734 Eh...you sure it's more complex? I don't see it really.
"It used to be so simple.
It was a world I understood.
I didn't know what I didn't know,
and life seemed pretty good."
Lmao, I looked up what that was from thinking it was like a classical novel. Look, 0 judgment here, if you're going to quote My Little Pony, at least go all the way and put the "- Twilight Sparkle".
I actually feel like old Minecraft music *was* made for the player. It was made for whatever you happen to be doing, mining, crafting, or exploring. What makes the old music feel out of place now is that the new music isn’t meant for the player. It’s meant for the world. All the new music is biome-specific and conveys a mood for that biome, like one of the new songs, “deeper”, only playing in the deep dark. (sorry for yapping)
EXACTLY! I facepalmed when I found out they added biome-specific music. This illustrates the difference very well.
It is worth mentioning that C418 did have to compose for the world a bit, though. Specifically the End and Nether, but he took things in a very interesting direction. His nether music feels like it illustrates what a wasteland the nether is, as well as the desolate lives the mobs there lead. (Which obviously doesn't really apply to it anymore)
The End especially is interesting, and I think it really illustrates the difference between C418's Music and the new Music. I can't think of another composer who would turn the final area music into a weird meta narrative audio play of sorts that seemingly ties into the message of the end poem. I wouldn't be surprised if his end music is removed outright when an end update does come around.
@@themc3140 I doubt they’ll remove it, but will likely overload the End with new tracks instead. I love the new songs, but the only composer that has even came close to C418’s musical ideas is Kumi Tanokia. Her music fits in the overworld no matter what you’re doing, I hope she does music for the End update if it happens.
Yeah, thats what felt wrong for me since the minecraft music was originally made to be played randomly in any time of the game
It's hilarious how people think that biome-specific songs are bad. And they are the same people that think Terraria is better than Minecraft too! Terraria's OST is *SOLELY* made out of biome and boss-specific tracks!
@@NickAndriadze Terraria is a different game, though. Biome-specific tracks make sense there. Terraria is much more traditional, its progression is a lot more complex and important to the game than Minecraft's progression, and bosses/combat are tied to that progression. Because of that, even though the game has similar systems to Minecraft at a first glance, the game has a pretty good idea what you'll be doing at any given time and scores the areas accordingly. Minecraft, on the other hand, is much more tailored to what the player wants to do, its progression is only a part of the bigger picture, and it has no idea what you'll be doing at any given time. As such, C418's music feels like it scores your memories rather than the game itself.
There's another thing about the old minecraft music that made it so magical. It is peaceful and calm, but it has a sense of melancholy to it. As you mentioned, in old minecraft there are no structures, no villagers, multiplayer wasn't released yet, you are completely alone with the exception of some animals and some monsters. It perfectly encapsulates what it was like to play minecraft by yourself, it is an escape to a world that is peaceful and beautiful, but at the same time empty and alone, especially with the incredible scale of a minecraft world. Another thing I noticed is the sense of mystery in the tracks. Most notably, the second half of "Mice on Venus". One thing you mentioned is how alien the old minecraft versions feel, with the sharp color palettes and surreal terrain generation. C418's tracks have a sense of mystery because you don't know what is out there, again with the world being huge, but there's the beauty of exploring this strange world and finding out.
In modern minecraft, there's recipe books, structures everywhere, information is much more prevalent nowadays with the online world, and that sense of mystery is almost completely gone. The new minecraft tracks are, like you mentioned, catered to this more comfortable and lively world, and I think that's why the old minecraft tracks don't seem to fit in a modern minecraft world.
I mean is it gone? The online information was there back then as well, structures just add more questions then anwers really too.
I think both can fit, both are peaceful and comforting but kinda mysterious in a way.
I completely agree that the old songs song like there could be anything out there is just something about the old ones that the new ones just don’t have
I agree with most parts, but we had Multiplayer since Classic, even before Survival Test.
Multiplayer WAS a thing for 99% of this game existence.
@@Jdudec367TOTAL STRUCTURE DESTRUCTION DESTROY ALL STRUCTURES FUCK THE STRUCTURES WORST ADDITION EVER
Honestly the entire reason why i like minecraft is because of the struggle. It really made it feel like a survival game, where your working to beat the odds, instead of some rpg game where your goal is quests and bosses. I'm not old enough to of grown up with the beta, but 1.7-1.12 keeps that feeling.
I don't see how not being old enough to have grown up with beta is a reason to not try it out. I started with legacy console edition, and the first java edition version I played was 1.13 I think. Now I've started playing lightly modded beta 1.7.3, and it's my favorite version, unlike other versions, in it I'm really motivated to build. In the launcher you just have to go to settings and toggle "Show historical versions of Minecraft: Java Edition in the Launcher". Afterwards, you can play any version of the game.
@@vinsplayer2634 I have tried beta. And truly its not my thing. And thats probably because i didnt grow up with it.
@@bigearsinc.7201 Oh, ok. That's fine too.
If you like the survival struggle, try Vintage Story! It brought back the magic of playing Minecraft for the first time and has some truly mindblowingly in depth survival mechanics. The struggle against the world never ends, even in end game territory you are nowhere near invincible.
I mean...it still feels like a survival game now, just still a exploration one as well.
You know, I actually really respect that you mentioned that you enjoy new versions and the new music too. People seem to like picking sides and then hating on the new versions/music, but, as someone who loves playing both release 1.21 and Beta 1.7.3, I love both versions and think they're both awesome. After all, they're both Minecraft. I think Mojang does a great job with modern Minecraft, and I don't think that you have to hate on new Minecraft to be able to also enjoy old Minecraft. Both are great.
exactly they're both good just different games the problem comes with people expecting the game to keep the same feel despite the many updates
@@funkymushroomproblem was, the old trailer would state “no one can tell you what to do” now the values have changed to where they the game tells you what you can and can’t do.
@@keanes8608where does the game tell you what you can and can’t do?
@@oliverplougmand2275 this! i feel like so many people get stuck in the mindset of feeling forced to do things a certain way, be it because of the clear-cut advancements, their previous habits of playing, or most notably because the community has kind of advertised a certain style or path as being the 'correct' or 'best'. the whole appeal of minecraft is that you can do things in whatever way you want! the reason people enjoy doing challenges of the game with arbitrary restrictions is *because* it forces you to drop all your previous ideas of right and wrong and think abstractly about how to manage. to any friends reading dont be afraid to toss aside your usual playstyle and just try something new and different! worse comes to worst you dont stick with it, minecraft is beautiful because of the malleability to empowers you with :3
never stop changing! :)
We have to applaud Mojang's decision to keep every single version of the game available to be installed at any time. It's one of the very few games that does this. Choice rejoice!
"lack of direction" is precisely how I feel about modern Minecraft. I don't take issue with them adding more stuff. I take issue with them adding more stuff that's almost completely self contained. They add things without connecting them to the rest of the game in any meaningful way. I feel that the mentally of "Do whatever, whenever" that modern Minecraft seems to harbor just doesn't make for an engaging gameplay experience
Greatest example of this is the glowing ink sack...why add that when we already have glowstone?? the ink sack only serves one purpose that could've been given to glowstone and it's to create glowing text signs and frames.
You’re right, Old Minecraft always had that mysterious feeling of being minuscule compared to new minecraft is like walking down a beaten path without much out there if that makes any sense.
Music like stal and the og music goes so hard and my boy C418 made the most nostalgic soundtrack ever then was never talked about again
yeah nobody talks about c418. in other news, i am deaf
wdym no one ever talks about c418?? also pigstep wasn’t made by him
pigstep wasnt made by c418???
@@God_Father_of_Jesus no he made all the og background music and chirp and stal though
I just realized the way I worded the comment made it sound like I thought he did lol
LISTEN TO HIS OTHER MUSIC THE JOURNEY MUSTN'T END HERE
I liked the nether update music, probably because of the nether already having a vibe shift, but the caves and cliffs additions felt... Wrong?
Nether music is SO LOUD it makes you frustrated, you can't even focus on anything due to how loud the music is.
@@Your_catHybird_fellow there's literally a option to low it
@sleepydafastboi no removal toggle
@@longiusaescius2537 set the music to 0?
@@nicknamedd_ removing new tracks and leaving the old ones
i miss the old terrain tho... 1.18 was supposed to change "caves and cliffs" not the entire terrain generation. i love the unrealistic old terrain bc it allowed for more creative builds. the new terrain feels so open and flat and makes it harder to find that one spot that you builds your base at
real. if i wanted to see terrain that was exactly like earth i could just go outside💀
Just play older versions
@@pineapple-gw2hhwhile I agree, bedrock players don’t have that luxury.
its impossible to only change some parts of the generation but yeah igwym. personally i like the new one better but the generation change redefined the game in a way
@@kezottle "redefined" is definitely the right word
Beta reborn is one of my favorite things to play in MC because it meshes the modern features of current MC with the nostalgia of beta MC
every new advancement felt so much more rewarding in the older versions, and everything I knew about Minecraft when I started playing, I had to figure out myself
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@@thehustle-6142 indeed
ive never got why people call the newer versions complicated, yea theres a lot there if you look from above but when you actually play you dont have to interact with any of it
i feel part of why people call new updates "directionless" is that preserve that, nothing new is required, structures only require the gear you deem fit for them and arent involved in grand scheme fetch quests.
in comparison to old mincraft, new mincraft is pretty complex. mostly because older vesions are just so very much simpler.
@@aheadsounds2522 i don't think either are bad but all I've been able to guess is maybe some people they can't tune out stuff they aren't interested in with the new version. Not like it matters the launcher lets you play all versions for a reason and it's cool older ones still get love.
@@froggystyle9068 i mean i see what you mean but there is an actual argument to say why its flawed. both are not bad though. also mean to say they have 0 creativity (too many blocks is pretty valid)
@@BadNameJackson its more of a two way thing, more blocks = more ways to build. but more blocks also makes it harder to make builds overall. its hard to just ignore them too since you have to make choices between what blocks to use and go through every one of them. like i got all these legos but i also have mixed all the sets together, now im trying to build a house but there are parts for cars, spaceships, spongebobs and other stuff(probably not the best metaphor but whatever). like the person said above, people have a hard time tuning out the stuff.
I don't even hear the old music anymore
Beta 1.7.3 I feel more encouraged to build, Modern versions I just farm everything and anything
I HATE FARMING I HATE FARMING YOU WILL NEVER SEE ME DOING AN AUTOMATIC FARM
has always been my mindset, and you can very much play the game that way if you enjoy the exploration grind
I know some people will say it’s because we are growing up and that we only liked it because we were kids but that isn’t the case. I first played Minecraft on Java at update 1.5 with the redstone update. I went back to that version and I’ve started to enjoy playing again.
A buddy of mine started playing at 1.7 with the introduction of new world generation and he’s been playing on a world for a year and a half and has over 400 hours on that world alone.
It isn’t because we are getting older(kinda), it’s because Minecraft is getting older and also turning into a different lesser version of Minecraft. It’s going form a sandbox game into an exploration game. Instead of being pushed to make a big kingdom in one spot and having the optional choice of exploring, now we are being forced to explore even if we don’t want to. Need material? Welp gotta go below y 0, need to get mending (in the villager rebalance update coming out) then you need to go make a swamp village (yup you have to MAKE a swamp village not just finding one). Before exploring was optional but now it’s mandatory.
Also back in 1.5 there was a lot less blocks to build with, which did hold the games potential back. But now there’s too many blocks to build with, which is holding the game back even more. Now there’s a dozen types of stones and woods, now there several different dirt/sand blocks. It’s overwhelming for new players.
I’ve been teaching my younger cousin how to play minecraft and he would get the hang of it but then would get confused with the building blocks and how to build and even with how to get better tools.
Overall Minecraft is being forced into a box of “exploration game” instead of being a sand box game.
Jetstarfish made a video on Minecraft’s exploration problem. And I think he makes a good point. Instead of having an item or block that’s in a specific place that the player has to look for. Have an item or block that is more common in that specific place. For example. With the villager trade rebalance. Instead of having swamp villagers be the only villager to trade for mending. Have swamp villagers have a higher chance of trading for mending. Other villagers can still give you mending. But it won’t be as common.
As for all the building blocks. I’m not sure. I think the game should recommend what building blocks you could use. And you could challenge yourself by only using those blocks.
@@lucasmatthiessen1570 part of me wishes that they would give us a planner system with builds where we can change the resources and it’ll make an outline of that.
I’m horrible at building so having a guide that’s built in would be nice. Or even a color palette guide
@@IamPotion just do wat i do (be shit at builds)
Well I see what you mean but I actually enjoy this new exploration system. Kinda reminds me of Terraria :)
@@imperadorchin3099 I like it to because if I’m ever in the mood for exploration then I can. But at the same time we are being forced to explore against our will. We have no voice or choice.
So Mojang is punishing players for not wanting to explore.
other missing point which i am sure everyone will agree is game's core mechanics are fairly easy
you can get your first diamond by the day one and overlook all the newly added stuff like copper. they try to make end game harder by adding mobs like Warden or structures like Trial Chambers but it's not it. it's the core mechanics and surviving is what easy
yeah you can literally be set within like 1 or 2 days with no fear of death. there's not really a focus on "survival" despite what the mode claims
And the one recent thing that did make the core mechanics more difficult, the Phantoms, were universally hated
@@cara-seyun phantoms suck. I also hate drowned they are a nuisance.
@@Tokmurok Same, though without them we probably wouldn't have tridents.
@@funkymushroom existence mode lmao
Minecraft becoming the most popular game was one of the worst things to ever happen to Minecraft. The thing that made me realise this was when I was playing 1.18 and tried to get a warden spawn egg, I just realised I wasn’t playing modern Minecraft, after around a month.
Early in Minecraft history, the game got frequent updates only later on 1.7-1.9 begin to slow down with updates.
@@kuil Yeah in the alpha - beta stages the game got nearly daily - weekly updates
@@kabeam5643a lot of those updates were also just fixing a single bug or something, with Minecraft being owned by Microsoft and not being worked on by only Notch or Notch and a couple others it makes sense the updates got spread out. The other guy say 1.7-1.8 they started slowing down, that’s wlso when microsoft took over
@@loganamurray64 that and those earlier builds were basically entirely made by notch, not larger teams
the blanket of darkness sweeping across when night is falling in beta minecraft will never not give me chills.
I ended up changing the newer discs to c418's music that never gotten into the game (dog, minecraft is acid, Notch - Calm4), I worked on my resource pack for 4 months now, just trying to make the game look like old minecraft as the updates go by, it made me enjoy the game again.
You just need to grow up
@@millenial8212they like what they like, they arent changing YOUR music.
I think it's quite simple. We all played and listened to the old game and tracks when we were younger and now we're just nostalgic for it.
I still enjoy modern minecraft, but I completely get the enjoyment for old minecraft. While minecraft may feel like it's "lost its charm", to me it more feels like a game that is growing over time. The new structures aren't "missing the point", the new structures are life growing into a previously abandoned world. The versions of minecraft are themselves an ingame timeline, not just a different version of the same game
One thing I've noticed about the new music vs the old is that the new music is more musically complex. Minecraft Volume Alpha is very simplistic, usually sticking to diatonic scales. It also has pretty simple rhythms with subtle harmonies that don't stand out too much. The newer music on the other hand sometimes throws curveballs by putting certain notes where you wouldn't expect them and going out of the scale. In fact, I wouldn't hesitate to compare the newer music to tracks on Volume Beta, as C418 does some musical experimentation here too. For example, in Dreiton, some of the notes are slightly off rhythm, and can be kind of distracting if it's your first time hearing the track in game. However, these tracks that are more experimental appear strictly in creative mode, other dimensions, or music discs, as not to interfere with the simplicity and subtlety of tracks from Alpha which play in the overworld in survival. That said, I still enjoy the new music and found myself grooving to some of the new tracks, though I don't think they belong in the context they were placed. A good example of music that I think was placed in a proper context was one of the tracks that played in a dripstone cave, though I'm not gonna bother finding the name of it. I think this is because, with dripstone being a new addition to the game, it felt alien and new, much like the music that accompanied it. I'm no expert in music but these are just some of my observations and how I feel about them
Describing old Minecraft as alien is a perfect explanation that I haven't heard anyone use.
Yeah I tend to play with music turned off in the newer versions. Not only do I personally not enjoy the newly added music, but the original soundtrack feels so out of place in the modern games. The old music really just doesn’t fit in at all with the new music.
My issue is that the newer music is physically louder than older tracks on bedrock. Like I either have to keep volume low and only get good sounding new tracks, or keep it higher and get deafened. I usually just keep it off atp.
tbh I didn't even realize they kept changing the music because i always kept it off and played songs from my playlist, whenever i play Minecraft alone i always get a feeling of dread but listening to my favorite songs helps get rid of that feeling
@@emb3r371 you can make the feeling of dread worse by listening to GY!BE
can relate tho i use to find it hard to play minecraft cause it'd feel like something was there it's weird
@@cincinnati4391options menu i think
@@emb3r371ohh wowww, man youuuUu must try to play Minecraft for a week with all of the in-game music (at what ever the default volume is) turned on!
For me and many others, the music is a integral part of the Minecraft experience. Especially since so many of us have been playing before v1.2, so after all of these years the music is part of our nostalgia (even if we don't consciously realizing it).
It's this feeling that we have after playing Minecraft for so many years (and in some years not playing the game at all), a sense of familiarity, missing a friend that we never had or longing for something that never actually excited. I think it's like, us wanting to be back in that time and era of our lives.
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yes it is so good and im saying that becuse i know him
funky musroom
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nice video! its not as much of a ramble about things wrong with minecraft as it is a unique observation about the change in atmosphere
As someone elsewhere put it, I imagine a big part of why people might not jive as much with the newer music is due to the fact that they didn’t grow up with it
When you hear the old music it’s not just the music talking but the good, simpler times you remember attached to them
It’s like audible nostalgia and I like that they didn’t remove it from the game
Cause sometimes, when you’re late into a map and you stop when the first few notes of a song you memorized in childhood started playing, it’s nice to just stop and remember how far you’ve come - and how much farther you can go
Old music had a simple motive, and because of this it was better remembered.
At least for me, C418's more recent works for Minecraft for example in the update aquatic still invoke *that* feeling, so it's definitely not *just* nostalgia. There is something else.
@@TheNeverPoet Hrm - I suppose it could also be that there isnt a good answer for everyone.
Some people just genuinely prefer C418's style more, etc etc
@@TheNeverPoet Yeah for real, even non minecraft stuff like One really blew my mind. He has a certain style that brings an adventurous, melancholy, and yes very nostalgic feeling that nobody can truly replicate. Plus his ability to use leitmotifs is truly unmatched.
Nah. I was not a child when I first got minecraft, and I never used to play with the music off. Turned down some, yes, but never just off.
Now, I never have the music on.
It's too intrusive. It's too loud. It's too complex. It's too big. It's too there.
When it plays, I don't feel like this lone person stranded in a giant world that I'm slowly and carefully carving a niche into, I feel like a man sitting at his desk playing a video game. I am reminded by the sudden and jarring interruption by this loud, complex musical piece that I am playing a video game.
Like, old minecraft used the music as a garnish. It was mostly one dude tapping keys on a piano. Musically, he was as alone as you were physically. And if you genuinely didn't want to be piano plink plonked at in the moment, you could pause, turn the music down, then turn it back up, and the track would have ceased, the piano fairy quietly backing away so you could have silence. In new minecraft, you can't do this anymore. Once a track starts, that track will not stop playing, volume be damned. The orchestra on your back might be muted, but they care not for your desire to be left alone in the moment. They will keep at their instruments until the ogg file's runtime is up.
Creator: “I’m about to ruin this man’s whole career.”
real bro i'm not a huge fan of the new updates music
lol
Creator isn’t for Minecraft tho. Mc music is supposed to be dreamy and unreal but creator is clear and HAS A GUITAR WHICH DOESNT FIT A CALM GAME
@@HyperforgWho said that minecraft was supposed to be dramy?
@@HyperforgMidwest emo Minecraft OST remix has electric guitar and it feels perfect
"...Mojang's ever-increasing lack of direction"
I'm glad people are starting to realize this is the underlying problem with every post-1.16 update. It's not the delays, it's not the communication with the community, and it's certainly not laziness.
The reason these updates are falling flat is because Mojang has no idea what they want Minecraft to be.
That's why Hytale will be its biggest competition (whenever it comes out) -- because Hytale is Minecraft with a clear vision for what it's supposed to be.
Dont forget in 1.16 they renamed the zombie pigmen
Only issue I have with the New Music is the fact that it's distracting. Often or not I pause to think. So I lose focus on the task at hand.
This is one of the best critiques of minecraft I have ever heard. You really hit the nail on the head on what made Minecraft feel like Minecraft. It really is like the music is just emanating from somewhere
If you dislike how modern Minecraft survival feels then try playing survival in Bedrock Edition instead of Java edition.
Bedrock's survival feels a lot closer to how Java used to feel. Hostile mobs spawn more frequently, they hit much harder, and are generally a lot more dangerous to their Java counterparts (faster movement, higher accuracy, longer hit range etc). Your player character is also a lot less overpowered at the start. You take way more damage, the regeneration speed is still the same as old Java, and tool/armor progression actually matters to your survival.
also not gonna lie, both types of music are really sad if you're a long time player, the music can pretty much make you cry due to nostalgia and memories.
What the flip is beta 1.7.10 💀
And why'd he say that beds hadn't been added to the game yet? They have existed since Beta 1.3
I just miss the crazy terrain generation from the early builds. Encountering floating islands large enough to build towns on added an aspect of fantasy and wonder to the game.
That said, the newest terrain post Caves and Cliffs isnt bad and adds its own fantastical sights. The world im currently building in has a lush cave cut right through the side of a mountain in a tiaga biome, so you can watch the sunset over the ocean through a mountain, and then at night the cave glows with its own ambient light.
Older versions of MC weren't that much "alien" compare to Modern ones, it only feels this way due to how majority of players sees them nowadays.
We talking about the difference between just a couple tens of thousands that lived through Classic, Indev/Infdev, Alpha and Beta versions VS dozens of millions that started in versions post-release 1.7, and because of that - ALOT of people were confused of why some preferred older versions so bad.
I completely discontinued playing in versions after 1.16.5 myself, and after some time - rolled back to 1.12.2, because not only the game is bloated, but its just straight impossible to make the game look original anymore, even that same release 1.12.2 has one of the largest modding support of them all, and even being the only best choise for retrofication - its still difficult to make it retro, but if you go above that - majority of industrial mods simply ceased or got completely replaced by something else, and the style is so far from origins - its more worth making RPG/enhanced vanilla ways than anything else, otherwise the game feels SUPER raw.
you know, ive tried, ive studied c418's music
it is just so gottamn special, c418's music does feel very alien, and it was never strictly calming, sometimes it was silly, or less atmospheric. good analysis
I always considered the appeal of old Minecraft to be what it doesn't have
"Like somebody was told 'its for minecraft, so make it relaxing'." Its so spot on
First thing i did when they added new music, and introduced biome specific tracks: Set music slider to 0, opened Spotify in background, played old songs directy from C418's Minecraft Albums.
a lot of the new music sounds like it belongs in the legend of Zelda
New minecraft music brings that sensation of "I'm getting old" lol
This is really well made and accurately sums up the significance of minecrafts music, and only in 4 minutes too, the old soundtrack felt almost mysterious, playing whenever it felt like (ik its like sun down and sunrise that plays songs but it really does feel random (legacy console plays music constantly)) and almost always feeling like it fits what you're doing despite the song, again, being picked at random, the new music fits the updates sure, but with so many biome-specific songs, it takes away from the random charm of the older music, playing whenever and still somehow fitting in
Damn you appeared in my recomandations
I don't think its that Minecraft has exactly changed as a game. Anybody can go back to any moment in Minecraft's history- whether that be alpha, beta, or more recent like 1.8. We never lost the game it once was- we just got different versions. Most of us who played Minecraft back then have gotten older and with our age we have separated from the game. To put it simply- people have nostalgia for old Minecraft because we played it when we were young, not because it was necessarily better or is gone.
I feel like the old tracks were much more whimsical than the current tracks. C418's music often radically shifts in the middle of a single song and has very unique instrumentation that changes as well in a way that is tastefully contrastive, while the new music by Lena Raine and others just feels much more predictable, and like you said, for people. This was true even for music discs that you would expect then to be slightly more like traditional music, but with C418 the original 13 discs are just as interesting as the ambient music. Compare Pigstep with Chirp and you will get the idea.
I must say, the one exception to this might be the ambient nether music Lena composed. I think it is perfect for the mood of the environment and suites the game amazingly well, so much so that I don't even think people realize it changed in 1.16. If they kept faithfully recreating C418's style like that in the overworld it would have been perfect.
I dunno, I mean the new tracks shift at times too, I don't see how they are more predictable and even if they are how that's exactly bad. Yeah...Pigstep is still easily one of the most unique songs in the games.
Old Minecraft, the world felt like it was truly my own playground. New minecraft feels like I'm rummaging through someone's junk drawer
mf rivaling eminem like holy shit dude
Modern Mojang would never add the creeper if it didn’t already exist in the game
I exclusively avoid a lot of the automated stuff that you can do in Minecraft because it quite literally takes away from the world. Takes me an hour to set up a completely automatic crop farm that can give me unlimited XP and riches with absolutely no effort. There’s nothing else to strive for with things like this in the game, it’s WAY too easy
yeah but it takes a while and its not fun setting either of these up. i dont even know how to make a door with redstone lol. i make farms but my animals always escape and u need to grind or loot shit. im also not going explore and waste my time finding more or wait until they respawn.
I enjoy listening to all the Minecraft music, and the old ones bring back memories and the new ones still keep some of the same charm while also showing how Minecraft has changed
Like, no hate to the artists, Lena’s pig step is genuinely a banger but if you’re an anti C418 supremacist I’m going to have a problem with that.
I remember playing on new world and I was feeling really down, trying to recapture what old Minecraft felt like. But then one of the new songs came on and I realized the Minecraft I know, love, and wanted is gone. This is the game now.
man this is sad. it feels same as how you see the world more vibrant when you were a child
Go back to beta, try a branch mod like Better than Adventure or reindev. I wasn't even around for the beta/alpha versions of the game, I started playing around 1.6/1.7, but playing a more pure version of minecraft really did it for me.
You can always play the old versions, just go to settings and toggle "Show historical versions of Minecraft: Java Edition in the Launcher". Then create a new installation with any version you'd like.
Try Vintage Story, it really captivated me with the feeling of learning a whole new world again. And best of all, its still indie, and has truly found its aesthetic.
I think the real problem with modern Minecraft is that it's just horribly imbalanced. Some things are just incredibly easy to cheese, even unintentionally, but then really random things are really difficult for no reason, like me and my friends played on 1.20 for a while, and at the end we had multiple double chests full of diamonds and gold, especially gold, but we had NO iron at all (the one resource we actually needed), and the new terrain made building anything and exploration outside of oceans extremely difficult, and mining just sucks now.
Then we decided to try b1.7.3, and this is so much better. Granted, it is significantly harder, but we find the difficulty to be much more 'consistent' across the board, and I think that's what really matters is consistency in the gameplay experience.
This is why I love Java and being able to play older versions of the game :)
Old Minecraft left a lot of room for imagination. Plenty of stuff is filled in now, but not the way I would have.
This change from simplistic to curated seems inevitable.
When your game grows more and more popular, your fanbase grows bigger and bigger. As your game gets older, you start adding more updates to it. Simplicity simply goes away over time as you add more and more content.
I don't think it is fair of us to say that old Minecraft has been "lost" to us(Not trying to imply that was what you were saying in your video), rather it is more accurate to call it a phase of the game. We enjoyed it while it lasted but we moved onto bigger things.
I'm currently playing the first full release version 1.0 and I've been having a lot of fun in the simplicity! But sometimes I yearn for more complex and interactive gameplay and I go back to 1.21.
I think the new music is way too upbeat like a spotify playlist instead of the relaxing and thoughtful soft piano or synthesizer, nowadays its just a random mix of upbeat tunes that are always too intense or do not fit the atmosphere at all.
Awesome video, I love how you get straight to the point while also incorporating great memes, the balance is perfect
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i love the words and the sentences you use its so simple yet explains everyting.
i didnt have a great childhood. it was pretty terrible in all honesty. but i remember the original minecraft youtubers and loved watching their videos. through all the bad i still have a soft spot for the mcyt of old, particularly the modded lets plays. the old minecraft music brings me back to those pockets of good memories that are few and far between and the feeling is something i cant really describe. music is a powerful thing
There was a beauty in the simplicity and minimalism of older Minecraft. There were much fewer blocks but they had more uses, both in recipes and in building structures. Now it feels they desperately want to add stuff yet it has no real use. It feels like you need to grind and explore collect all kinds of stuff in the world, instead of making your own stories by building and having projects. The boredom in old Minecraft was solved by beginning a huge building project - now you will just grind to get the next new loot, structure, automatic farm etc.
I personally had this moment a while back where I went into an ancient city in creative mode, and just sat there listening to other side and relic. To be honest it made me not look at the past but look at the future. Like these songs where Minecraft’s finally in my life, and when listening to them it made me both think of what has happened, and think about what’s yet to come. The songs themselves just feel like the beginning of a new adventure, and it almost made me cry remembering how my childhood, or C418, has adapted into these songs that represent what’s yet to come.
as a musicologist i love the new music because i feel like it compliments my gameplay a bit more, but the old music did a good job of contradicting the vibe so you remember the music and the moments more, and also does add to the loneliness feeling by making the music a different mood to what you were feeling
@brycel6661 if I wanted to listen to a cheap rpg I'd pulled up yt innthe background
I think C418 music is better tho not just as a minecraft soundtrack but also as music in general. the harmony and instruments are just way more interesting
the complexity and the fast/frenetic gameplay of modern mc it's nice. But the problem is that old mc is the opposite.
If you listen to modern mc music in old mc feels very weird, and the same thing happens if you play modern mc with the old music
I think it really is mostly the lack of direction, if Minecraft focused on its core mechanics of being a sandbox / survival game it would thrive a lot more. It doesn't have to be hard, easy, realistic or fantastical or anything at all as long as it sticks to that. Plenty of modern additions have improved on this but the main "content" updates don't seem to understand the core mechanics as much with some exceptions. It's a mixed bag and it's mostly just disappointing to see the wasted potential.
1.21's music feels like a mix between the old Minecraft of C418 and the new of Lena Raine Aaron Cherof and Kumi Tanioka. Nearly the whole soundtrack sound like it's either been produced by the world itself or people who have long left it. The common use of hangdrums and chimes reminds me of C418's work while it's abandoned structures remind me of the mineshafts and spawners of old. The trial chambers might spring to life when you come across them, but the only life you are met with are spiders, slimes, Breezes, silverfish and the undead.
Why do people always play either the very last version or beta, have y'all heard of modded 1.12.2 ? it can have the vibes of beta, way more content than 1.21 but still with the og simplicity, you want have a hard game ? then make it hard, bosses, increased mob spawning, if you're too fast sprinting make mobs faster.
*Explore 50+ biomes, 76 dimensions, over 400 fucking blocks, and hundreds of structures.*
*and if something is missing you can make it*
*because this game is truly a gateway to infinity*
i dont think anyone will read this but if you do, thanks and have fun
Well made video, never thought as in depth about the music as being emanating from the world rather than for you in old minecraft, cool thought
Great vid!!! Totally agree. The old music was so welcoming but still solemn and strange, whereas the new stuff is more deliberately chill and cozy.
You can do everything you like to do in beta on the new Minecraft, no one ks forcing you to play in a way that isn't fun just because it gives you more iron
That’s like if someone moved a bunch of chairs and tables into your house and said “You can still move around the new stuff, no one is forcing you to use it”
@@cara-seyun the new stuff is actually useful and interesting, it just doesn't remove the old things nor makes them harder to obtain
Are you really gonna say that sprinting ruins the game?
@@diamondmemer9754 no, I’m not one of those “old stuff good, new stuff bad” people
I like some of the new stuff. Sprinting, swimming, elytra, observers, even the new nether biomes.
But it’s stupid to say that the new stuff has no effect on the game whatsoever. Especially the new world generation. I’d accept everything else if there were a way to toggle older world generation.
@@cara-seyun technically speaking you can generate a world in one version and then update it into a newer version, and every area where you've been already will have the old generation, albeit without the new structures
Besides that, what I meant is that the new stuff, if you don't care about it, affects the game so little that if there's even a single thing added by any update that you like it's still more worth it to play the newer update
Also I personally find the new world generation way better but I guess that's a matter of opinion
2:11 opposite way for me honestly
The emotions I felt while playing modded 1.7 back in the day were powerful enough that they eventually inspired my first novel. The world felt lonely, but peaceful. You really didn't know what you would find over the next chunk boarder, and the bizarre terrain could be a real inspiration.
No matter how lost you became, you could always start again, and then one day you might find your old base and realise how far you'd come.
Thanks for encapsulating that.
I appreciate you making the video only a couple of minutes instead of dragging it out like a lot of these types of video essays do.
It's like Kid A vs In Rainbows in comparison
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Great analysis 👍. How would you achieve a balance between old and new minecraft? 🧐 and how would you rework the bed?
You aren't asking me but I doubt these things can be fixed by adding things to modern minecraft, only by removing things. People have made forks of old versions of the game (most popular example is "better than adventure") which change this or that and I think it is probably the best way
Mojang can't do anything because they are at the helm of The Most Popular Video Game so everything must always be designed by committee and if they make even small tweaks or removals it would result in comical amounts of backlash
"Its a lingering fragment of a world that doesnt exist anymore"
Pain.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the alien feeling old minecraft gives off had a lot to do with the game’s success. It’s certainly what drew me in.
0:20 u can’t forget Microsoft too
I loved the video, and the connection between new Minecraft + music and old Minecraft + c418 was quite interesting! A few points on the actual vid though- I'd love if you fleshed some stuff out! Exploring more examples of how new Minecraft is less mining/crafting and feels less surreal would be super cool. Also, you talk quite fast! I had to turn the vid down to .75x speed! Otherwise, I love the content and look forward to more new stuff!
my scripts are indeed very short- i like to think of it as the opposite of those massive video essays that say the same things over and over again. I agree i could go into more detail sometimes though. I also admit i talk super fast, I try to talk as slow as possible in these videos but i just got that dog in me ig lol
@@funkymushroom The redundancy of massive video essays does get annoying! I feel like that’s a quirk sometimes though. Hearing someone drone on and on about something interesting is fun. The biggest tip for no talking fast (imo) is to savor each word. It sounds weird, but the gist of it is that you’re speaking not to get a sentence across, but a string of words across. Be slow, articulate your feelings, and stress emotion through your words-not sentences.
@@aarushabrol3760 good advice, thanks. I'll consider that when I'm recording for the next video
Just what I need at 2am
A calming voice guy analyzing Minecrafts soundtrack
I still think the newer minecraft music is like the old music sometimes. The whole alien music thing is definetely what volume alpha sounds like but not really volume beta imo. Volume beta is a lot less simple and empty and the new music is pretty good at recreating the sound of that. I just wish the new composers made more of the empty and simple sounding songs from volume alpha. Other than that i love the new music, featherfall is a banger
modern Minecraft wants to be what old Minecraft felt like, and they have a dev team that's only capable of fortnite level additions.
this video is really good, but maybe talk just a little slower? it felt like you were cutting yourself off at points
To me, old minecraft was when I first started playing which was 1.7, the version before they added rabbits in 1.8 and the longest wait for an update which was 1.9 combat update.
Comparing 1.7-1.9 to Minecraft now, I can still say that the vibes are quite different also because of the music.
There's so much stuff while my knowledge is still stuck in 1.9
dude i remember playing minecraft for xbox 360 with my friends and every bed was so expensive, sheep would never ever spawn so every night you'd be couped up in your house waiting for day to come. i should really boot up my xbox and visit those old worlds.
This is a very good assessment. I feel bad criticizing the new music, because the current musicians are absolutely talented, and there are some tracks in there that I do really enjoy, but a lot of it just feels so generic and forced. it's very often that I'll hear a part in a song and be like "Oh, yeah, that sounds like a reference to when C418 did that in a song... Except it made a lot more sense there." And besides moments like that, it's just kind of... Open world music. It's what a modern player who has never played minecraft before would expect to hear from it.
Something that doesn't help my enjoyment of the new OST is the treatment of C418. Given what a certain other studio that Microsoft owns now did, he wasn't done too dirty in the grand scheme of things, but because of Microsoft's inability to let the artists own their music, there is a whole album of minecraft music that we will probably never hear. This is especially upsetting, because the way C418 handled his albums is part of what makes minecraft music so special, imo.
It's incredibly rude to say, because I love video game music and believe it's art, but the best way I can illustrate the difference is that C418's music feels like a standalone piece of art that was used in a game, wheras the new music just sounds like game music.