Red Dead Redemption 2: PS4 Pro/Xbox One X 1080p + 'Fake' HDR Analysis
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Does Red Dead Redemption 2 run smoother on PS4 Pro if the console is set to 1080p? Is it actually running at 1080p there, and if so, how does image quality match up to super-sampling? And just what is going on with the game's HDR implementation on both Xbox One and PlayStation 4? We have answers.
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playing on a PRO, and after already turning off HDR, this also convinced me to set my system output to 1080p. just too blurry otherwise. thanks for these videos, you guys do the lords work
You too good sir
Nakeyjakey in my favorite tech channel? Hell yeah
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To avoid blurry at 1080p supersampling.. You need a 1080p tv or monitor.. Don't use 4k tv and set the ps4 pro to 1080p because it will only blurr the image quality.
There should ALWAYS be an option to select performance or quality mode.
Definatley performance for me.
Yeah there should but the cpu in current gen consoles can’t handle open world games at 60 fps
@@lilpopeyes69 they could if they would invest a little bit more into the cpu. but scamsoles will be scamsoles, 30 fps ''next gen'' . lol no. just no. i d gladly pay 600 bucks for a console that can play 1080p and 60 fps. but nah, gotta stick with 30 fps because movies use it too. horrible logic.
@@deathrager2404 lol so much truth in this statement. I guess I cya guys on the PC side of gaming.
Wtf you buy a console if you know its gonna be 30 fps most of the time?
Why the actual heck are they running at 1920x2160 on the Pro anyway? Literally anyone would be better off with a 1440p or 1800p checkerboard image.
Seriously hope they fix this.
3200x1800 is much more demanding than 1920x2160. Also 1920x2160 allows scaling on only one axis, instead of both, which typically looks better.
PRIMEgaming so basically they are only reconstructing one axis as apposed to both? Giving a native 2160 pixel county on the vertical axis and a reconstructed 1920x1920 horizontal axis?
Native resolution looks better than CB anyway. I don't care if it's used on XB or PS. Native will always look better
@@kainthetrollreaver9270 Usually true. But for example Horizon Zero Dawn has an excellent checkerboarding implementation and in my opinion looks closer to native 4k in sharpness than say native 1440p
Just give me 1600p native on Pro like Far Cry 5. The reconstruction technique on Pro looks like trash.
Not sure if you guys missed it. Turning the supersampling off on a Pro that is outputting 1080p also adds a sharpness slider to the menu which can drastically improve the image quality and motion blur effects. This option is not available if you output to 4K.
Well I guess I'm turning off supersampling mode now.
Sharpness should be set to max for ps4 pro 1080p? Im on a 4k tv.
My ps4 pro was literally screaming on my 4k tv. I went into system settings after watching this vid and forced the ps4 to output 1080p instead. Launched Red Dead and not only did it feel smoother but the system stayed quiet. The ps4 pro is definitely not a system for 4k gaming, but at 1080 it really is amazing.
Thats what i think too.. in "4k" is blurry and strange,no definition...in FHD is another history
Shut up
Wow that HDR visualization technique is so good.
Now I understand what the fuss is all about.
More of that please.
Took me a second to realize what it was. Yeah, its fantastic.
You can really see where AC Odyssey has all those bright highlights and RDR2 is pretty much just flat
DF didn't mention HDR at all in their original analysis. It's kinda odd coz they are HDR enthusiatics.
I suspect that they knew it but they didn't want to irritate fanboys.
Brian O Malley AC Odyssey is not at all a “terrible” game! It’s actually really good! I know it’s subjective, but it absolutely definitely doesn’t deserve the word “terrible”. For me it’s the second best game of this console generation (after RDR2)
@@allansh828 They did mention it briefly. John said "it was just ok, not the best implementation." If I remember correctly
It's fascinating how an incredible channel like Digital Foundry has such a toxic comment section
Cough, salty PlayStation fan boys.
danny cox lmao you’re the problem
@@meganutHUGE Well actually I usually see more salt from PS than from Xbox. May be because there are more PS players, I don't know. It's still a stupid behaviour.
Larkitt 25 im just saying nobody should insult anyone more stupid things like a slight graphical difference in a niche 4k market. I own both a xbox and ps4 fyi
@@meganutHUGE Yeah, it's common sense.
4k looks great on X. I was expecting an implementation of HDR like in AC Odyssey 👌 Hope we get a patch for all consoles.
Diego Cobain hdr looks fine
Makes the game look way more realistic
If it looks washed out I guess you just have a bad tv :/
exactly hdr on odyssey is outstanding
Garbage Gang how can that be when everyone with top of the line TV Samsung Q9 and LG OlED all say the same thing isn’t the Tv it’s the game
wait so you pay all that extra money for a 4k tv etc.. Just to play it at fucking -30 fps.... You are joking right?
Can’t patch the ps4 hardware fail
I have a PS4 and an Xbox One X. I play on a 55" Samsung 4k 6 series MU6300 TV. Having both consoles makes it extremely easy to resist blind and toxic fanboyism. It helps to force you to remain in a state of pervasive objectiveness (as opposed to a blind-ideological confirmation bias that spirals into a state of denial when the facts don't support your preferences). My wife is playing it on the PS4 and I'm playing it on the X. It looks great on the PS4 but the difference between the two is the usual difference between a console game and a PC game. This is definitely a first. As someone who prefers PlayStation----it's about time Xbox had a win.
Having said all of this: these X Haters (who are hoping for the complete downfall of XBOX) really need to check themselves. If Xbox went out of business, PlayStation would have no competition-----and mark my words: if that happened the quality and service of PlayStation would go to hell. Their customer service is already complete SHIT. I would hate to see it if they had no competition. Competition is good. It forces companies to be held accountable to their own practices (and bullshit)-----lest they nudge people toward the competition. Getting this across to blind-follower-fanboys is no small task.
But, I guess if you want a communist-console (who offers no alternative)-----have at it. Most of these people have no idea what they're perpetuating. They're so blinded by the fact they can't afford an X or that all of their friends play on PS4----that they *choose* to remain blind. This provides the illusion that their self-deception is rooted in fact. When in fact, their self-deception is rooted in fanboyism. They're eaten up by jealousy, bitter-envy and chronic-denial (thus the toxicity that they spew). It's pretty sad, really. And make no mistake about it: this happens with Xbox fanboys just the same.
Is this a copy/pasta? Not a single mention of the HDR.
I have the same TV as you. Tell me, do you random blackouts on your consoles and you have to pause the game and wait for the picture to come back?
@@Geinrendour If you're butt-hurt by the facts, why don't you address them directly? Instead, you resort to ad hominem attacks (because you lack the ability to offer a counter-argument). Yeah, that seems to happen when your position isn't rooted in reality. Attack the one who made the comment-----as opposed to the content that the commenter laid out. Classy.
To answer your pathetic question: no. This isn't a copy/paste. There are people in this world who possess the cognition to articulate their position. But, even if it was: that wouldn't make it wrong. That's what you were trying to imply though, wasn't it? Pretty sad.
I can't tell if these are kids or basement dwellers trolling in the comments.
@@SavagePatch115 No, I sure don't. The only problem I've had is auto-booting my X when the tv is turned on. It seems to be hit and miss. Outside of that, I'm pretty satisfied with it. I've had it since March.
This is so helpful. Been going back and forth with PS4 Pro settings to find the best output mode for 1080p. Thanks Rich!
I want 1080p 60fps, don't care about 4k, but 60fps on all games would be great.
God I hope they deliver 60FPS next gen. Unfortunately 4K is more marketable to the general public who only have a console for the occasional match of FIFA or CoD :/
HeadBash 60fps looks weird to me... i choose 30fps with high resolution...
@@mrmoro11tv same
HeadBash I agree 💯.
@@mrmoro11tv Get your eyes check
Just make it 1440p for fux sake
Exactly i would be happy 1440p with a higher quality setting, true HDR, etc. 30fps locked or maybe 1080p 60fps or 900p 60fps. I know the Xbox One X has native 4k and it runs well but for me true 4k will begin with the PS5 or Xbox Two and Xbox Two X or Xbox XX.
Moose Wayne 1440p is fine for Xbox One X it has that output option, but its Useless for the PS Pro as it simply has No output option for 1440p so on a 1440p monitor you still get 1080p.
@@rinaa6865 Really? the Pro don't have that? I have a 1080tv so i always choose performance mode. Played GOW with that mode is not 60fps locked but i enjoyed the game more with better FPS than the res mode. I played with both modes to decide.
That's what I'm saying..
xbox one x runs perfect with 4k. why would they downgrade?
Thank you. I have a 1080p screen and a PS4 Pro, and this was exactly the information I was hoping to hear after last week's video.
How is your game look like?
I have 1080screen and pro too
You guys are so brilliant at these analyses. PLEASE try and reach out to Rockstar for clarification on why they chose this approach! It's so important that people like you call them out on this. I love them and think they make AMAZING games, but at the same time, that's why, as a gamer who really loves the technical aspect, it's so disappointing that a developer like them, can't seem to do what other developers (Sony Santa Monica, Insomniac, Guerrilla) have done in regards to 4K reconstruction and HDR and I just can't understand why, considering the ridiculous resources they must have at their disposal.
I for one am not playing RDR2 until they patch this. I have the game, I WANT to play it, but I also have invested in a great 4K HDR TV since the new consoles came out, and I want to play games in their best possible form. Clearly RDR2 isn't there yet.
I know right. You think after all the time and money they put into this game that they would spend a little extra time to make sure it's perfect. I couldn't imagine working on something for so long but then half arsing an important section of it.
@@maziarkd Agreed. 4K HDR is a defining feature of this console generation. I refuse to believe that Rockstar just couldn't figure it out when other developers have managed it with far less resources.
Rockstar hasn't released a new game in 5 years...before the Pro and One X even existed, so cut them a little slack, they'll get the hang of it. ;P
that's why I think this may not be something that they can fix. Get v never got an hdr (or 4k) patch. If the engine assets are incompatible with hdr it would explain why they faked it.
@@try2bcool That doesn't mean they haven't had access to the technology. The PS4 Pro has been out for two years, and they probably had dev kits or information before then. Like I said, other developers managed it. Rockstar should be leading the charge when it comes to this stuff.
I noticed HDR was broken right away. There was no difference with the option on or off, so I just turned it off, even though my TV supports HDR. For comparison and as mentioned in the video, HDR in AC Odyssey looks amazing!
Hdr is amazing in Horizon Zero Dawn and Final Fantasy XV too.
It's a surprisingly weak implementation of HDR. I've played lots of GT Sport on the same OLED, probably the best HDR implementation of any platform, which magnifies how shoddy it looks. Maybe they licensed Dell's phoney "Dell HDR" nonsense? LOL.
@@reshaykut Yes Horizon Zero Dawn HDR looks great too! 🙂
HDR made my RDR2 look gray and toned down for me. I was really unhappy about the game, and I didnt know why. Then I turnes off HDR, and it now looks amazing. I bet they will fix it sometime.
Assasins creed is pretty to look at but basic gameplay is pretty broken with clitches and wierd animations...
We need our patch soon 😁
Le Chat Perdu I hope you’re not kidding. That would be amazing! You’re getting my hopes up
I hope so too, im not gonna play until it’s patched and I’m hoping it’s not weeks
Joseph Vasquez this is stupid play the game meat head
Le Chat Perdu I thought I was just going blind😂
Another reason to not buy games on day one. Just wait a month or two until it's fully patched.
This is NOT a PS4 pro issue , it's aRockstar issue. Just take a look at GOW and HZD and MLB The Show and Spiderman etc etc etc, all those games are checkerboarding 4k beautifully.
Then why is it native 4K and stable on the X ? i mean ,Sony had the marketing rights for the game ,so you can't say they took the Pro version for granted ...
You have to ask Rockstar. Something just doesnt add up.
When I got RDR2 on relase day the guy in the shop (who is an X owner) was adamant that RDR2 would run and look better on Pro, because there was a huge marketing tie in with Sony. Seems he was wrong.
To all the players on here; Rockstar have already confirmed that there is an issue with the 4k checkerboarding, along with the problems with HDR, and are currently working on resolving them.
Akira, I have heard variously that they both are, and aren't, addressing the issue for the Pro. Problem is, they must have been aware of the issues and chose to release the game any way. I wonder how many Pro players there are: if it's only a relatively small share of the market I can't see Rockstar investing major time and effort on what seem to be fundamental, and thus costly fixes.
A 4k mode on ps4 pro that's not 4k? sounds about right.
@Zack Smith Nope, not the same. The Xbox One X version runs at native 4K, the PS4 Pro version doesn't.
It's 4k after being checkerboarded by the system. Your tv is getting a full 4k signal.
@@nickmotsarsky4382 ... which is still only reconstructed on PS4 pro, which means that half of the picture data is fake and not filled with unique detail.
@@retropolis1 Yes, I realize that.
Zack Smith Christ, what is your age. I can hardly understand your english. I hope your a foreign speaker, or else you might have signs of being dyslexic. Well moving to what i assume that you are saying, why are you changing the topic to sales? If sales actually showed a games quality, then i guess fifa and cod is tenfold better than the 'shitty' god of war. Have a proper think before you comment, and improve your english while you're at it
Hmm, well, I’m happy the Pro actually goes to 1080p with a perfectly locked framerate on a 1080p display by default. I’m still on one of those panels and I’ll take the performance boost.
Major win for the Xbox. And the fact that it can run a 10 year old disk of Red Dead Redemption 1 at 4k.
Only just found out it made it 4k. amazing.
Clutching at straws Paul...its still impressive
@@1989daniii I read that in micahs voice for some reason aha. Ol black lung
only place to play RDR games in 4k
i bought an X was for RDR1 and as a movie player...unfortunately its a broken machine without decent internet
Temporal anti aliasing simply isn't compatible with transparencies. The hair is using alpha to coverage which results in a high frequency change, so temporal anti aliasing does help but there will be fragments that escape it and display the normal alpha to coverage dithering.
@@SilentShadow-ss5xp I'm a graphics engine programmer as a forewarning. Temporal AA sort-of-works with transparencies, but it isn't compatible. The moment you draw a transparent surface you have a choice to either replace the underlying motion vector and camera space position of the previous pixel or keep it. The best choice is to keep it, otherwise whenever the camera moves the contents on the other side of windows would smear about like crazy.
The result of keeping it is that contents behind windows can briefly take on the detail of the window in fast motion, but over time this settles out so it's far harder to notice (the waterfalls in Fortnite demonstrate this perfectly). TAA simply does nothing with transparent surfaces, it's a fundamental flaw in raster graphics (transparencies in general are a massive pain in the ass). You either TAA the contents on the other side (which is what games do) or you attempt to TAA the window and end up smearing what's on the other side (no one does this because it looks crap).
Alpha to coverage costs almost zero on performance (costs the same as no transparency). It's the standard way to do alpha cut-outs these days, it has entirely replaced threshold alpha (discard fragments that have an alpha below threshold) and it's better than the trade-off of no early-out-Z-rejection that an in-shader alpha discard lumps you with. The hair and foliage in this game, and pretty much many, many other modern games, use alpha-to-coverage; there is no significant performance hit - it is pedestrian at this point in games and isn't anything special.
FXAA is a screen-space anti-aliasing solution, it would indeed clean up alpha-to-coverage fragments, but TAA is already being used (which is also screen-space) so having two expensive screen-space AA options on top of each other in 4k probably isn't a good idea (plus FXAA blurs the image significantly as it is analytical, TAA gathers information from previous frames using motion vectors and camera space position of fragments to attempt a crappy 2x MSAA - and has good results).
MSAA is almost never an option these days for deferred rendering as the number of deferred G Buffers is multiplied for each level of MSAA. That quickly fills up graphics memory massively, and on console hardware and regular PC hardware the graphics memory isn't always there (sometimes it is on PC, GTA V has an MSAA option for GPUs with lots of memory). MSAA works best in the good old days where all you had was a colour buffer and a depth buffer (maybe a stencil buffer if you're feeling fancy) - but now we have normal buffers, motion vector buffers, camera space position buffers, light accumulation buffers (and way, way more) and some of these are more than 8 bits per channel for HDR so take up a lot more graphics memory by themselves, let alone multiplied for MSAA.
Most devs opt to avoid transparencies because transparencies in raster graphics suck. They cannot write to the depth buffer (unless you're a nut job - Minecraft Java Edition does this a lot), cannot write to any of the special deferred rendering buffers (or else they trash it entirely, this is what I described with TAA above). Transparencies are the thing you hold back from using as much as possible until they are absolutely needed - for deferred renderers the G Buffers are resolved to colour buffer before transparency is dealt with.
Alpha to coverage is a clever trick to avoid *some* transparency issues - when there is 1x buffers (no MSAA) then alpha to coverage just does a regular dither pattern, which can cause fragments to pop in and out between frames which can escape TAA (as I originally stated). Alpha-to-coverage avoids the need to blend semi-transparent pixels, so it can comfortably replace fragments in the motion vector buffer, position, normal, etc without having to worry about whatever value was originally "underneath" - it is compatible with deferred G Buffers and can happily write to the depth buffer.
When there's more than 1x buffer (MSAA 2x or higher) then alpha-to-coverage uses the MSAA blend step to add various levels of transparencies (2^NUM_BUFFERS levels of transparency) which, combined with stippling/dithering, massively helps the quality of hair and foliage. But this isn't available in RDR2 or GTA V on console - MSAA is available on GTA V PC, however, so you can see the effect MSAA has on the transparency in hair, foliage and distant objects fading in.
That's a lot to read, but I don't want to leave room for misinformation here so I've tried to cover everything I can.
@@Xilefian That was an awesome read man. It really gave me some insight into how AA now works. I always preferred MSAA over anything and now i understand why.
@@Xilefian it's probably what we can see on FFXV and HZD reflections ?
There is a solution if you use ps4 pro at 1080p supersampling mode...
Why are you guys talking about the technical details of anti-aliasing? Wouldn't you rather argue about pixels and suck the asses of massive international corporations to whom you are nothing more than a dollar sign????
No? Oh... Well ok then.
Can you do a feature where you run your previous HDR captures through the analysis tool? I'm wondering what else out there has "fake HDR" presentations. (And is there a way to test if a game is actually utilizing a better-than-sRGB color gamut?)
Agreed! Other games should be submitted to this tool, hell, they could have an entire playlist for it
PS4 Pro almost stable 30fps @1080p. Respect is everything!
It is stable
This is something I've been wanting to bring up for a while now, and would be a very nice extra feature during these analysis videos. As a PS4 Pro Owner with a 1080p tv who doesnt plan on upgrading tvs any time soon, analysis of the pro 1080p performance for games that dont already have a default 1080p60 performance mode (or a poorly implemented one). This kind of information is rather difficult to find online through forums or big game sites, and would be very much appreciated if it could be shared more often.
I play on the xbox one x with HDR on and thats what i prefer. I find when i turn it off the colors look over saturated and it looks like a get a more softer image. HDR to me looks more natural and better to me.
U cant turn it off on x no option
@@djbpresents9584 you can you have to go to the xbox settings
Personally I don't care about 4K and wish Rockstar would offer a1080p mode with enhanced visuals and or performance for the Xbox One X.
Graphical fidelity is better on One X. Just looking at the grass in both of them tells the story
Greatest Game ever made this New Generation of Consoles. Congratulations to Rockstar Games and it unmatched world class Studios.
I just traded in my Xbox One and PS4 original models. I bought the Playstation Pro Bundle....it cost me 6 dollars. I only have a 1080p TV. No frame rate issues. Giddy up!
So glad they actually included a 1080p mode. I am extremely sick of the forced downscaling from some ps4 pro games. I would much rather have better performance and quicker load times than a down sample on my 1080p screen.
For PS4 Pro users that have 4k tvs. It's better then to set 1080p output in PS4 Pro settings, to have a better picture? And HDR off?
Did you try this?. I think maybe is necessary to turn off supersampling too
You got it right , this are the best recommandations, for the next level super-charged mode boost Playstation 4 pro gaming console to heighten your experience on RDR2 🔫🤠👌.
I know HDR off is correct unless a patch fixes. So from this it is better to go 1080p? With or without SSAA?
I have indeed changed my output settings to 1080p (despite having a 4K tv). I think the game looks sharper with a clean 1080p image than with the checkerboard blur. The completely stable framerate you get with 1080p is also nice. Nevertheless, I think it is pretty crazy that I am playing what is arguably the biggest game of this generation in 1080p SDR on my PS4 Pro. It is beyond my understanding how Rockstar can have the recourses to make such a huge and amazing game, but can't get such essential things right on the PS4 Pro.
@@RoderikR appreciate the reply, think I'll give it a shot next time I boot the game up. I hope they patch this issue soon
rdr2 hdr looks complete garbage on my lg65cx oled and ps5. compared to death stranding and tlou2 on ps5, the blurriness in rdr2 makes it look 2 console generations behind
Try setting HDR properly for your TV, friend. I assure you that this will greatly change and improve the picture of RDR 2 on PS5. I play on a Sony TV and set the HDR brightness to high in "game" mode - and the picture becomes incredibly beautiful, albeit a little blurry. In fact, this game even on PS5 looks better than the most beautiful games, including TLoU 2... We really hope for an upgrade of the game, as it was with GTA 5.
Sad neither of the "upgraded" consoles have the option to push 1080p @ 60fps for all/most games that typically run at 30fps. /:
waiting for pc version then since the console versions are shit!
The real pizza boy That's because you don't buy a 4K system for your living room 4K TV only to then run it at 1080p.
Because the CPUs are shitty tablet CPUs.
@@rinaa6865 The real answer: super smooth gameplay is more important than a pretty picture!
@@TheRedFoxMcCloud I'm passing on this game entirely. I didn't like RDR1 and I don't really have faith in R* after GTA 5.
I'm so glad I saved up and bought an X as my regular ps4 wasn't really doing it for me anymore and I couldn't see the point in the pro as the difference isn't really that noticeable compared to the difference from the regular Xbox to the X. So I'm getting the full use out of my 4k TV.
That visual analysis is absolute genius! Please could you do a video covering as many of the (purportedly) HDR games on PS4 as you can to show what they're really doing?
I thought something seemed weird with the HDR in this game, glad to see it wasn't just my imagination.
I always enjoy digital foundry and their british polite and exact analysis, but let's be clear here: they technically f****d Up the pro version.
No? I think it's a great work, they did well. There are a few problems, but that's usual.
In practice, the pro version on a decent 4k panel looks good. Better than 1080p, not quite as good as native 4k. But I'm double-dipping on the pc version anyway.
@@Owlero I'm with you there on the PC version, really looking forward to it. but I think it's the other way: with a decent panel you see the flaws of the game: I definitely see the lack of resolution and detail on my LG OLED compared to God of war, spiderman, horizon etc
@@Larkitt250 good for u mate I'm probably too picky but that's why you watch digital foundry in the first place I guess
@@Christopher_K_Dot I guess it depends how far away you sit. I'm about 12 or so feet away from mine.
I played red Dead redemption 2 in 1080p on the Xbox one X The game still looked good
OMG thank you!! I was sooooo annoyed by this and kept trying to figure out why the heck it looked so odd to me. The colors were off and everything just looked like it had a strange pastel fog over everything. I did manage to "fix" it with some settings on my TV and Xbox One X (I will try to write down step by step in an update on this comment for those of you that have oneX's. It isn't an actual fix obviously, but it improves the colors and makes it wayyyyy more tolerable.
For the current console generation, I'm perfectly happy with gaming on my Samsung 4K TV (UN40MU7000FXZA) on PS4 Pro running at 1080p at 60 fps, provided the fps doesn't fluctuate. I'm hoping that with the PS5, we'll be able to have games running at 2160p at locked 60 fps. I think fps is more noticeable when gaming.
Funny because on Xbox 360 Red Dead 1 runs better than on PS3.
Developers need to stop with the 4K bullshit. They need to focus on stable 60FPS. Focussing on 4K when they can't reach it is like RockStar focussing on Dynamic Horse Balls instead of dealing with Profound Clipping issues.
NOOOOOOPE! Moron!
I would agree with you but the consoles CPU’s are trash and aren’t capable of 60fps in almost every open world game. Their GPUs are their strong point so it makes sense to go for visuals opposed to performance
Maybe the horse testicles are what is driving performance down. All that floating point calculation. Perhaps ray tracing would solve the issue. It just works.
Serenity OakTree no way. 60 fps makes games look kind of fake and home movie like. Have you seen the hobbit at 60fps? It's pretty bad and no longer looks like a feature film. It's too clear and overly smooth. A solid 30fps and 4K is the best. Maybe car racing games at 60fps, but that's about it.
So sick of hearing about 60fps.. blah blah.. go wait for the pc version..
Game looks and runs fine at 30fps.
Is the checkerboard problem on the Pro fixed???
I wanted 1080p 60 FPS. Was sad it didn’t have it.
Thanks for another fantastic analysis, especially that HDR visualisation.
I reckon you and the original creator might have a new industry standard tool on your hands.
motion blur and non locked 30 fps is looking bad on the OG ps4 is it just me?
It's just looking all hazy and weird to me. And all that dithering in the hair..yeesh.
well, rockstar will know now and patch it
they wont because like gta 5, will focus on online. are you braindead or did u miss gta online?
Yeah like they didn't know it was fake hdr all along. Like the post above they are already thinking about micro transactions and how to grab more money from the people who bought the game. Luckily I hated rdr 1 so didn't buy this one or gta.
Ign reports rockstar knows and is hard at work on a patch for HDR and ps4 pro that’s confirmed
@@deathrager2404 you should show your parents how you talk to people
@@FreeAimDog is that the only counterargument you can bring to the table after getting facts shoved under your nose? ty for confirming how typical you are :)
"PS4Pro has the.. ..horse power."
I see what you did there. :)
You're so smart.
EVERYONE: At first my ps4 pro HDR looked crisper textured but slightly darker with washed out/misty colours. Here's a fix.
I have an LG tv (not with film wrapped OLED bulbs). I set it as follows:
(Game display settings)
HDR calibration 500.
(TV settings)
Profile - Game.
Dynamic contrast - high.
Blacks - low.
Colour temp - 50.
Brightness - 47 or 48.
It now looks sexy with bright vivid colours and contrast, but no darkness or washed out colours.
Hopefully they patch it soon, so off the bat it is better and truer where possible.
i was wondering why the image was so blurry playing on my 1080p monitor when playing on the pro. when turning the super sampling off it just looks way more clear. ill take the hit on certain situations as long as my overall image is less blurry
I'm not as impressed as i thought i would be when I first launched the game on my PS4 Pro with a 4k HDR Sony TV. GOW and HZD did, expected even better from RDR2 from the trailers but nope.
Interesting. Booted it up on my Pro, and facial animations aside, I was blown away.
Well..first what kind of 4k hdr do you have.? I mean even if u have the pro, but a weak 4k hdr tv, the picture will not be the best, I have a oled b7p ($1500) and a vizio p55 (1000) which are top of the top high end 4k hdr tv, not bragging just providing a basis for my comment...these tv coupled with the pro with checkerboard 4k, it is just magnificent, I could not ask for more, looks just as beautiful as god of war. My point is the tv has a great effect also. You cant expect to get the best of what 4k hdr has to offer if you do not have the tv to back up the content. I mean to the naked eye it hard to say that xbox X hdr is better than the ps4 pros with out them being side by side.
Myke Pita, I have a Phillips Ambilight and I have spent a lot of time on initial setup to get the colours and picture quality looking good. I run games in "movie mode" (the user mode I set up myself) because playing in "game" mode looks terrible... I wonder if at least some of these issues are because of the settings people have on their TVs. I mean the Phillips isn't mega expensive, but I think it has a great picture quality, although I haven't played RDR2 yet.
Since October 26th, every serious technical review reveals what a disaster the PS4 Pro version actually is... I actually just sold mine because of this mess. Total fiasco.
Seif Soudani Dumb decision. Selling a better console bcoz of one game?
@@RandomGamingMoments925 Wise decision, considering the console is noisy despite being 7116b, that I played all the exclusives up to date, that the next AAA game (Days Gone) is not due before the end of April 2019, no release date for The Last of Us Lesbian 2. A dumb decision would be to let it collect the dust for another 6 months.
/hugs One X. Looks great on 4K tv and 1440p monitor. PS4 Pro should implement straight 1440p instead of its weird scaling
Isn't it rockstar that implements how the game runs on the console? Sony doesn't decide that they used a shitty method haha
The Pro version still looks great
Troy Carvell yeah rock star should patch it to 2560x1440 buffer, it may help people on PS4 Pro
@@MorrisseyMuse Nope, it looks like SHIT! I own a PS4 Pro and I feel ripped off. Alrady issued a ticket to rockstar tech support. Ytube xbone X video's look better for fuck's sake. They should be ashamed of themselves
I have a pro and it looks great. buuuuut I have a 4k uhd Sony TV,which scales the pro up to 4k res all the time, so I feel like I'm getting the best it can run.
Very good explanation by using colors as brightness levels
Im so glad to have a 4k tv and an xbox one x to play this and the game looks absolutely gorgeous.
So playing Red Dead Redemption 2 in 1080p solves the blurry checkerboard rendering problem?
Xbox One X native 4K
Vs
PS4 PRO native 1080p
😂🤣😅
Seriously pro is a scam, I have far more respect for the base version and that's says all.
DarthLevvy Rdr in ps4 base is at 1080p
Still Better FRAME-RATE HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. HappY Halloween 👻🎃👻
1080P is the work of God and Baby Jesus, 4K on the other hand, the work of Satan himself. You stick with your Satanic box. Non-believer. 😈
Kirk-Da Rooster Gordon bruh im dying 🤣🤣🤣 native 1080 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
All I wanted was 60 fps...
Consoles: *no*
I’m happy that I have a PS4 Pro with a 1080p tv and Supersampling ON! The game looks great and plays great!
It looks trash compare to X. Hope you will never see the X Version because you will cry in front of your pro 🤷♂️
But they show in the video that the super sampling in 1080p can cause a more blurry image
Bad Kids Gaming just on youtube lol... when you play both with 4k led, its very difficult to see the difference lol...
Wtf! The purpose to have a Ps4 pro is to have a 4k HDR tv 🤣😂
@@Christoph22KakaFan Oh boy if you saw the way my PC runs AC Odyssey you might die then 😂😂 enjoy your plastic boxes. You'll come to the master race eventually.
Pro 1080p is the best option
The HDR visualisation is really cool and well done. I would really like to see a video showcasing how many games use their HDR this gen.
RDR2 looks like a high end PC game on my Xbox One X and my LG C7 4K tv. It looks stunning! Absolutely amazing!
A high end PC game doesn't run at 30fps sorry
@@karmmaguitar uh yeah some do. lol
@@brightblackgrouse6236 not for pc standards sorry
@@karmmaguitar other than the frame rate and probably lower shadow quality but pretty close
@@austin4700 Framerate is not a little factor, a higher framerate is the most important thing for a pc game, it improves graphics considerably, the animations looks more fluid and the controls are responsive. This game has great overall graphics (apart from some textures that look blurry) but the framerate and the controls are way below pc standards, I'm telling you that having played the base ps4 version, it has the same problems the original red dead had on x360 that was the best version btw because the ps3 version was literally unplayable droping as low as 15fps.
I've never wanted to buy an Xbox one X before but RDR2 has got me drooling... I worked out 1080p on the Pro was the way to go on day one. Great vid guys.
Just get the X. It's worth every penny
This is what Sony calls a next level super-charged boost mode console !
@@tshaolin971 yes because it's a fuck of a lot better than the standard PS4. What don't you get about that? PS4 can't even output 4k at all.
I have both the pro and the X and I say the X is worth it as long as money isn't tight and proper 4k support for your TV is important to you. Backwards compat with enhacements, game pass and better multiplat versions that only the best PCs can blow out of the water with 4k high/ultra 60 fps at easily 4 times the cost. Since game pass titles + exclusive og xbox and 360 games are mostly different from ps plus titles + ps exclusives the consoles actually complement each other more nicely than what the fanboys would like you to think.
The game looks good on every console.
Not so much on og xb1/ps4. Still playable, but completely killed by the pro and especially X.
No it doesn’t.
@@TheRedRaven_ yeah they look practically the same at 1080p the texture quality is the same just like anti-alicing, shadows, or anisotropic filtering.
Xbox One standard isn't pleasant. The resolution is very low, it's nearly eye straining. There's a lot of detail in this game and it's very open and with Xbox Ones low resolution it sticks out like a sore thumb. Almost makes your eyes start to water.
Trash Mutt Reviews game looks like ass on PS4 and Xbox One. At 4K on the 1X it still looks blurry because of the forced AA. AC Odyssey has better representation of 4K, which is strange because Odyssey isn’t locked at 4K.
Was exactly hoping for a video like this, thank you guys.
Temporal AA does not cause dithering. Dithering is used for alpha in Deferred Rendering pipelines. AA techniques actually reduce the noise of the dithering, they do not create it
My god does the Xbox One version look rough.
Thank god they released the Xbox one X cause I don’t know what they were ever thinking with the original.
The PS4 PRO checkerboard rendering looks really blurry I don't know what Sony was thinking when they made the PRO
Kyle S kinect they went for form before function... Liked the kinect but would rather have the power, I'm very happy with my X
What who were thinking? Not R* fault. Base Xbox has inferior hardware to the base PS4. Most games on the base XboxOne run at around 900p. This was the same case last generation but flipped around. Xbox 360 games ran at 1080p while PS3 ran games as low as 720p. Now we have the X and the Pro and X is without a question through best way to play this game right now.
Kyle S
They were thinking they were saving money because they launched with the 100 dollar Kinect included 😂
They were thinking lets do the least we can, but charge the most we dare.
10/10 everywhere despite having a broken feature while advertising HDR on the box. Sounds Legit af
not to mention having combat that is worse than many PS2 games
There is no way this game is a 10/10. I have had so much frustration with this game with all the glitches, awkward controls and weird game design mechanics. It's like some things are "Wow! This is amazing" and some design choices are from 10 years ago. It's a great game but definitely not a 10.
@Lee Everett Damn your characters disappeared? That's crazy! I always make sure to do multiple manual saves on different files so if something goes wrong I can go back slightly. I don't trust the games autosave system. I want to have the option to go back a few hours if I need to.
@Lee Everett are you stupid?if you would take away the best things of the game you would still give it a 8?but that makes no sense because with all that things you must give it a 10 now which means its a perfect game for you
because review scores are based on how good a game actually is overall not only perfect tech. you can obviously make a terrible game that looks perfect, but who'd play that? when it's a masterpiece of a game, minor technical blemishes are only knit picks. besides perfection in the real world doesn't really exist. art is never perfect, beauty isn't perfect. if review scores were about perfect tech then we'd have absolutely no idea if a game is actually good or not as a game. no idea if you're buying a fine diamond or just a well polished turd
Rockstar won't patch any of this all there going to be concerned with now is getting online out and making a shit ton of money that's all they care about.
As an owner of an "HDR" monitor with peak brightness of 600 nits, that peak brightness fits my monitor quite well! The new visualizer is fantastic and confirms my suspicion that hdr wasn't doing much in terms of range, but I still prefer having it on to enhance the brightness of the sky.
But it must brighten your blacks.
, what is not good for picture depth.
HDTVTest
Published on 30 Oct 2018
We analysed the RGB parade scope of Red Dead Redemption 2 using 4K HDR screenshots from the Xbox One X console, and concluded that RDR2's HDR video output is basically just upscaled from SDR. Although not tested by ourselves, the same issue is present on the Playstation 4 (PS4) Pro version too.
Because the Red Dead Redemption 2's HDR rendition usually results in a picture that is either too dim, or bright enough but too washed out because of elevated black level and midtones issues, we recommend that you play the game in SDR (standard dynamic range) to get the best picture quality.
Many thanks to Adam Fairclough (a.k.a. evilboris) and 4K Blu-ray compressionist David Mackenzie for their help in the production of this video. Adam's article on Red Dead Redemption 2's faked HDR output can be found here:
PS4 pro , the 4K console that plays games decently at 1080p without supersmapling
It sux! U can't even SS, if you force downsampling to 1080p, if you're on a 4KTV. Smdh The Pro is so trash!
This is what Sony calls a next level super-charged boost mode console !
@@thesurge706 Don't blame the Pro, blame Rockstar, they could have done a better job.
@@Rickenbacker451 I blame the Pro for the shitty alternative.
Versus the Xbox One X with nothing to offer except 4k Blu rays. PC and Ps4 pro beats it. Sony won this gen fanboys , better games over better pixels. Too bad you can't admit it and most gamers picked the PlayStation
Playing it on a Pro with a 1080p panel, and it looks kinda blurry.
Lol... It was best to played it on ps4 pro with 1080p screen.. The blurry image from recontraction pixel 1920x2160p , will scale it down to native 1080p.. The blurry image will dissapear from a poor implemention by rockstar developer.... The good thing about the ps4pro on a 1080p screen you have a choice between normal 1080p and downsampling 1080p... In my own experience supersampling is the best way to play it..... listen what digital foundry said dont get to confuse... Rockstar will fix ps4 pro 4k image from 1600p native is way better
The blurry image only appears on a 4k display...soon we will have a patch.... If you see blurry image on a 1080p on your ps4 pro even if you bought xbox one x the image will be the same with the ps4 pro.. There is no real advantage even if the pro is native 2160p and downsampling it to 1080p..the image quality you will get is the same with xbox one x... I have both console x and pro version if you are talking about 1080p...
Supersampling a native 4K image will always be better. X1X is better in 1080p too.
Why do you think you'll get a 1600p patch?
And only a loser makes a sock account.😂
@@MrBenedick14 can you please help me? English is not my first language, and I'm finding it kinda difficult to understand the Cockney accent from the video analysis. On a 1080p display, should I turn off the supersampling mode so that the image won't be blurry? I tried It and couldn't notice much difference, though I've played less than 3 hours.
@@vandammage1747 yoe my friend..hahaha..do have game to play?? You want some legit console only exclusive??? What is microsoft weakest console ever created?? I thing the sony figure number is 83.1 million??how about microsoft 33m sales number?is that right my friend??
PRO confirmed a 1080p console.
I still have a 1080p monitor so I don't mind at all
@@Fendera1 you're doing good, I couldn't imagine gaming at 1080p anymore. 3440/1440p 120hz is where it's at.
@@Fendera1 Well of course you don't mind you have a useless ps4 that can't do 4k but people who have an X do mind. Surprised you don't have it tho, I mean it's a must have for a movie fan like you.
@Raios Rogue Lmao i have a ps4 pro and when i have the chance i always get the PC version. I'll wait before i get a 4K TV
Lols all consoles confirmed 30fps machines. You want graphics wait for the pc release.
Played the first 3 hrs with hdr on (Xbox One X) and noticed it was washed out but thought the game still looked amazing. Then I hear about the HDR being broken so I turned it off.. and the colors completely changed. It was no longer washed out, the colors popped. The game looked so much better it’s not even funny.. It’s such a huge difference. First game I’ve played with HDR off and can say that it looks 100x better which shouldn’t be the case..
Yeah.. I noticed that supersampling ON and native 1080p display creates a very blurry image almost looks non HD... While when I turn off Supersampling the image is clear and sharp...😑😑😑
How can Sony even try and call it a 4k Mode when it only hits 1440p talk about pulling the wool over there customers eyes
Best Game of the Decade
@Zack Smith omegalul rofl
Zack Smith LMFAO yeah ok
Zack Smith Persona 5 wont even make the top 5 this year
Because it came out on 2017
Hey guys! Its henry here again. Whatever console you have just enjoy this master piece. This game looks amazing on ps4 pro. PS. Sorry im drunk 😅 much love baby ❤️
Pro, old 1080p tv, no hdr, no superdupersampling, and boost off.
My setup provides smooth frame rates in all locations and a nice image..... sometimes.
However sometimes there is a lot of blur or varing degrees of out of focus blur.
Dof, god rays, volumetric lighting, and various weather and atmosphere effects all can contribute to blurring an image.
RDR2's fast game clock causes those efffects to sometimes come and go fast. Within seconds a nice image will degrade to a poor and blurry image.
The fix is to have more display options in settings. Options to enable/ disable or sliders for adjusting intensity.
Dof, camera motion blur, god rays, volumetric lighting/atmosphere, and fov options should be as standard on consoles as the brightness option is.
Interiors at night in RDR2 often look blurry. The cause is wacky dof and an attempt to simulate the soft light produced from gas lights.
Turning off dof and lowering volumetric lighting intensity would reduce or eliminate the blur in those scenes. Outside scenes would similarly be improved.
Great piece Richard. Just what was required. Improving ps4 pro 4k mode (which is currently pretty terrible). HDR patch required too as you said. I'm sure they'll come, particularly with videos and articles like this highlighting the 2 major problems. Cheers
PS4 base isn’t bad at all hey? Seriously what planet are you living on? MOST people on earth have a base PS4. The Pro has not sold well in the grand scheme of things and barely anyone has an X, compared.
The base PS4 version is the NORMAL version and it’s stunning. Simply sublime. The best looking PS4 game of this generation.
You talk as though Pro and X are the default / popular choice and base is substandard. Base is normal, it’s stunning. The Pro and X are just bonus systems for the minority.
I’m saying this and yet I own a Pro. Let that sink in to show how honest I’m being with the above.
Yeah so true I own the pro and asked my friends if they would get one. you would be surprised how many people had know idea what the pro or x was most people on console aren't into the whole best graphics/performance, we're the part of few who care about that stuff.
Matt Wiles the X it’s selling well
nayib Hassan Diaz oh really? How many? Give me a number.
Oh dear, you can’t find one because MS don’t want to release the figures, unlike Sony.
Hi Matt, that's a fair comment you make. Please help out a stranger on the internet: I bought RDR2 on release day, but have yet to play it. I also own a Pro: how have you set your Pro/TV up to get the game looking nice? I'm currently playing GTA V with boost mode and super sampling and I think it looks great, so maybe when I get around to RDR2 I'll be blown away by the visuals and wonder what all the negativity was about. Thanks.
GMak81 hey, yeah just do exactly what you did with GTA V. I have the base too and have tried RDR2 on that, it’s beautiful. On the Pro it’s even better so keep those settings on and you’ll be fine. You’ll be blown away by the level of detail, irrespective of what you play it on.
It's still looks better on xbox one x regardless
Blurrystation
Xbots
@@freewaveiii you mad 🤣
Shitbox .....
@@uchihachan4756 stay mad with your blurry shitstation 😂🤣😂👍😡
It's mostly the devs fault though...
This is annoying now in PS5. I use a 1080p monitor on my desk to play my PS5, and I feel like Rockstar should come back and update the gane for next gen. Just allowing us to play at 4k30, or simply unlocking the game for 60 fps. I am not asking for a full remaster or rework of the game, just a simple unlock pls
Knowing Rockstar they will patch this, but I also have a solution for this moment. Just go in the settings of Red Dead Redemption 2 on playstation and turn HDR off, for Xbox go to the settings in your home menu and turn off HDR there. You will see a wider colour gamma. Like the snow has more variations of white.
Just try it out you got nothing to lose.
Vincent from HDTVTest blew the lid on the HDR story
He didn't. I did. He even links my article about it in the video...
@@EvilBoris Amazing work dude! Much appreciated! That visualization is absolutely perfect!
@@EvilBoris any chance you could do it for Battlefront 2 and Destiny 2....?
@@EvilBoris Excellent work, man! Would love to see more analysis videos for sure!
@@EvilBoris Excellent work. But why does someone as intelligent as you are hang out with the closed-minded and hateful ideologs at Resetera?
HDR on PS4 pro is broken. I turned it off and the picture is soooo much better. Don't know about the X version.
Don't forget to turn screen resolution in 1080p too.
Dude, did you not watch the video? The HDR is a problem on all versions. It has nothing to do with the PRo. Not to mention, HDR off does not look better at all. You people are morons.
Hugo Stiglitz so I have the slider set to 100. If I set it to the highest setting in rdr2 is it gonna make a difference? Or should I just keep it where it is?
@@tshaolin971 I think it looks way better with it off. Too bad if you don't like it.
tshaolin971 LMAOOOOOOO🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 brooo
Anyone else annoyed at the blurring effect on the Pro?
Slick Jester Turn off supersampling!
Anyone else notice that at night the environment seems more blurry then usual? Almost out of focus at times?
If anyone is having trouble with super crushed blacks and not being able to see the R logo in brightness, you have to go into console video settings and change RGB to limited. Seen a lot of people with this issue on Xbox and PS4.
FAKE HDR !!!!
Fake DR
Did anyone else lose their hat almost straight away?!?
I feel bad for Pro owners. R* really need to patch this. It looks fantastic on X and runs great. We’re all being cheated with HDR.
They can't do much the console is weak
Red Hunter117 what about horizon zero dawn and spiderman? Both games run with checkerboard and graphics are beautiful and sharp + it runs good. This is rockstars fault
I'm playing it on Xbox One X. Not had time to play it much, so I'm still in the snow. I have HDR turned on, and it's not consistent. One minute, it's pretty bright (the snow seemingly shining) and then suddenly it will go incredibly dull. An example, is that when you start the game, you get a Red Dead Redemption 2 title screen, in its usual white writing, then when it recognises the HDR, the white turns a dull grey.
Would love to see you guys using this hdr tool to analyses some old titles with hdr such as Horizon Zero Dawn and Uncharted 4
Red dead redemption 2 looks blurry on ps4 pro, i think its 1080p only
@@LombaxLee that's some weird resolution
@@imlowkeyjc my bad it's only the vertical resolution that is doubled, which is arguably even worse.
I think it looks fine
Turn off HDR - it looks much better on the PRO
Yeah, it's really bad. Turning off HDR help a bit, but still looks blurry to me. I played it on 4K monitor. Rockstar say they will patch this problem, I hope they do it ASAP.
I’m the sucker that upgraded to a pro and got a 4K tv...just for this game.
Yeah. Go ahead and roast me. I deserve it.
That's a bummer dude.
Van Dammage yeah man. In all honesty, the upgrade was inevitable. I had a first gen PS4 and it sounded like a freaking hair dryer. Also, my TV was an 11 year old Samsung plasma.
I needed to upgrade. But it’s still a let down about RDR2’s graphics.
@@MyWORDisntGospel , I had a ps4 too it was a decent box, definitely better than launch xbox one but man the noise was annoying. My buddy took his ps4 and red dead 2 to my place and the noise was like a constant yet engine.
Both my xbox one s and X are almost whisper quiet very impressive especially on X1X. How is the noise from your pro? I've heard they are quite noisy too but new models should be better.
Van Dammage my Pro is very quiet. But it’s only a couple months old. I have yet to see what a year or two do to the heat sink. I have been told that’s the main issue with the 4. The heat sink is trash and after some time, the fan has to go balls to the wall to get the heat out.
Time will tell.
MyWORDisntGospel lol don’t xbox one x xbox fans are dumb af save money for ps5 u will cry if u buy when greatest exclusives will come playstation ps4 pro is very good buy 1080 monitor very for gaming
At least it's not just me who see's horrible HDR.
I think the HDR looks better myself, HDR is not just brightness it is also darkness. And to me, it looks more life like with HDR on, and looks a little less lifelike with it off. I wonder if it matters what television you have.
That kind of hdr analysis is awesome, you guys should make more with another games (maybe some that already launch )
I think if you do the same HDR test on GTA V, regardless of whether it has it or not (Its just to compare the most recent R* titles peak brightness to RDR2 and not a test of HDR). You will find the exact same nit brightness difference as RDR2.
R* attempts to minimize bright and dim points to a set standard and prefers to use the in game camera to adjust brightness levels when moving from dark to light rather then relying on HDR techniques. But as with GTA V, Calibrating monitor colors correctly will have a huge impact on bright and dark points in any R* game.