Red Dead Online is Ruined.
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2021
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Red Dead Redemption 2 was one of my favorite games of all time. I enjoyed their online a ton, but also feel like they're falling short on countless areas. Why can't I wear a poncho and a bandana at the same time!!! Train robberies missing, bank heists missing, too much of the world remains empty and we gotta have more Rockstar!
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Hey guys! I’m seeing a lot of people asking about the music I used in the video.
End song:
Isobelle Walton - “Autumn Glow”
She has another song in there “Silence is the Key”. Found her on Epidemic Sound, fantastic artist.
During the bounty hunter section is a live version of the GOAT Jose Gonzalez’s “Far Away”. (Featured in Red Dead Redemption 1)
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send this video to rockstar
What about grifters that shoots everyone for no reason
Hey dude this video was awesome, clearly a lot of effort went into it and you seem like a really chill likeable guy, just subscribed and can't wait to see more of your content :)
Imagine getting a western-themed online game and you can't even rob banks nor trains.
Hahahaa went to the bank for a loan
That was exactly what i thought about it and tried it the first time i got into read dead online, went to the shops and killed everyone and tried to rob the stores but turned out you cant so i was dissapointed
Huge let down! This game could've been so much better if we could rob trains and banks ect. I find there's hardly anything fun to do. Just sams old crap over and over. Its rather boring. I guess atleast there's hunting animals 😝
@@tbl5138 if u want to do that play the single player
@@loganmalyszek7244 you can rob stores in story mode, not banks
Really sucks knowing that Rockstar is just abandoning the game
If rockstar spent the time on the online they spend on the solo, they'd make way more money than they already do
@@TheAnnoyingBoss Yeah that's the thing, they're literally passing up on sweet cash.
They only want money they don't give a fuck what the player base wants
@@erwaldox they want money and can't wrap their minds about how to correctly make more
@@erwaldox if they keep up how they're going they're gonna start losing a lot of money 😂
The fact that you can't rob banks is the single most mind-numbing thing you can't do in the game.
Indeed ... Cause the game is actually based on robbing BANKS first then Trains and Mansions ...etc
Red Dead Redemption was never about robbing banks, it was always about what the name says, redemption for your character, to turn from the life of crime. There are a few missions with robbing, but that was never the point of the game. As for robbing banks online, I already knew it wouldn’t be a thing for a long time. GTA 5 didn’t get any bank robberies until damn near their 6th update which was about 2-3 years after GTA Online. If you want to truly enjoy the game, just download a online trainer and play around with mods. I run around playing as different npcs doing crazy stuff, having a blast right now.
@@Unchainedfulrdr2 has been out for 5 though…… and the content is still lacking
@@Unchainedful You're literally a moonshiner who murders federal agents and rival companies. Redemption my ass.
@@Unchainedfulare there more mods to enhance rdo?
Rdr2 was one of the deepest, most compelling, and emotional toll taking game I’ve ever played. The story is tear jerking, and well written. Honestly, a great piece of game designing here.
It's proof that R* can make amazing games when they try
@@lexif.5463 yeah. However the problem is one it’s released, they stop trying, and that’s an issue.
It's great until you need to control your character
R* is known for creating one of the many greatest singleplayers of all time.
But when it comes to online and the controls mapping, R* is pretty incompetent in that nature. Just look at the controls of the other R* titles like GTAV and RDR1. Same with online, look at GTAO, same shit, different day.
@@notreallyabackupyeah it drives me crazy that people tend to gloss over the game play being less fun than the first Red Dead Redemption game
i find it kinda hilarious really how in a game about outlaws and gunslingers, the online portion is spent behaving like the sorts of the people those bandits would rob.
i swear i feel like ima get ban by saying a bad word or killing someone
You cant even use words like "butt" in your horses name, wtf rockstar
It's typical Rockstar fashion. The entire story of GTA V revolves around how the dream of one more heist can allow them enough money to buy happiness, while the underlying message is that cars, money and fame just is superfluous and not really worth chasing.
GTA: Online is a celebration of the same things that the story makes fun of. It's absurd.
@@JohnFartblast ballz works lmao, named my horse that
@@JohnFartblast Well if people started calling their horses the n-word then the game would've been under hot water within seconds
Excellent video! Great job man, the pacing was so good I didn't even realize I had been watching for over 20 minutes. Keep it up!
Hi Kevin
Hell yes! also just watched your most recent vid, you're content is awesome man!!
Ayy Kevin, ur RDO videos were good sad the online mode has to have such an awful design
More like bore ragnarok
Well, that was unexpected
Keep it up, Kevin
This game was quite something, the single player being an absolute masterpiece of it's genre, then the multiplayer being one of the most obnoxious, outrageous and outright fraudulent scams of the decade all in one package. It's like ordering a three hundred dollar Michelin restaurant meal prepared exquisitely and being asked "Would you like a side of shit with that sir?"
makes ya think wow gta6 is gonna be ass
One of the saddest games, not only because of the story but most certainly because of its ruined potential.
YEP VERY SAD NOW VOTE FOR TRUMP STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS AND VOTE FOR TRUMP
@@NigerianCrusader Maybe comment on US citizen's comments.
@@BaseNAND TRUMP RELEVANT EVERYTHING
@@NigerianCrusader But I cannot vote for him, what now? :(
@@BaseNAND YOU CAN STILL SUPPORT HIM AND TELL OTHER PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR HIM
I remember reading an article about 3 years ago about how Rockstar's CEO was replaced with a former casino executive who was in charge of making slot machines more addictive and I instantly understood why Red Dead and GTA Online were so terrible.
xD I solved that issue back in 2013 by abusing the fuck out of gameplay bugs ^^ I still have 50 million left
literally never happened
@@boonamai8926 i got 500 million to play with now lol
@@rochester3 I started with 550 back in 2013 I believe and it continues going down rapidly whenever I play
@@boonamai8926 you know theirs free mod menus now
It’s painfully obvious that red dead online has been incredibly neglected in favor of the cash cow that gta has been and it’s sad to see such a beautiful and interesting world full of potential be abandoned like that just because the micro transaction value is low.
You could say the same about the story dlc or them at least making the new clothing and weapons available offline but no one seems to care about that
@@mythicpeyote the sad part is they’d make a nice bag with a dlc or if they actually made online decent.
Dude it’s also because red dead online was so boring, it’s so slow compared to what you can do in gta online. I really loved the story but at least for me, I enjoyed more the online from rdr1
@@jaimevogel8869 yea red dead 3 should follow jack marston right after WWI I bet my life on it lol. So automobile travel will be in there. Should be the greatest video game ever made by far if my estimation a are correct on the time period: still so much open land yet vehicles too. Bootlegging missions in New York and Chicago and Miami and shit (Jersey, Boston, DC) (new addictions to the map). I can’t wait for that shit fr fuck gta 6 lol they can hold that. This time period has baseball too Babe Ruth missions. This game will be it and don’t forget that Jack Marston is a writer so that’s a whole other dynamic that can make this a game unlike any other. Every choice you make makes a different boom you get to read at the end. That’s if the game ever ends. I saw what they did with some things changing over time in this game and I fully expect them to take it to the next level in 3. Im talking maybe we see it run from after WWI all the way thru the end of Jacks life to carry the tradition of the first two. That should take us into the 70’s hopefully. I mean just imagine the possibilities. This game should be stalled until atleast 2030 to realize it’s full potential lol I’m out
@@TheUaclown123 when do you think WW1 was?
I am having a hell of a time playing Red Dead Online rn, I think a big part of that is that there is almost nobody else online anymore, although it would be fun to have friends to play it with
I zoned out and got so excited that the Lawman role was a thing and then I realized it wasn't and physically deflated LMFAO
I literally took a week and a half off, stocked up on baked beans, bread, cheese and random time accurate goodies, Whiskey, Kentucky Bourbon and legitimately played in a cowboy hat until the credits rolled. Best gaming experience I've ever had.
Underrated comment
firm handshakes!
* tipping hat *
That sounds real nice mister
I watched the whole video dude and I subscribed . I tried so badly to support this game and am still trying but I’m losing hope because of the lack of support from rockstar . I remember when they released outlaw pass 5 with no dlc. For 2 years we have had terrible updates. The final good update was moonshiners in 2019. Since then we have had naturalist a really boring role a bounty hunter expansion , an outlaw pass with no content and the boring blood money update . To answer your final question the reason why rockstar screws red dead online is because of gta online. Rockatar released the casino heist and made so much in shark cards from it . They think they can put little effort in red dead online and still milk it when so many players have given up. It’s such a shame. Red dead online is a perfect example of a great game being killed by corporate greed.
Yea….. it’s sad…. But that’s how businesses and markets works I’m afraid.
But, rdr2 is a single player game at its finest, and I believe that no matter what rockstar does with rdr online, it’s not gonna beat the story mode. And when most people play rdr 2, they grind the story mode; since it’s much more immersive.
I played online with my friends and we started to lose interest, then there were rumours of robberies and train heists and stuff. My friends didn’t have gta but I did, so this would have been good for both. It then released, and was pretty disappointing, so then my friends bought gta and now we play that instead. Still a great game tho, just not as interesting anymore
Oh hey professional :)
@Stephen O'Brien LOL dude have you seen the stuff you can purchase with the role tokens. I have a shit ton as well and really only saw a few things that were worth the purchase, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that was common. You can buy everything in the game and the problems that plague it would still be there. Money isn’t a issue if you just grind collector for a few days mixed with a few of the roles so you don’t blow your brains out collecting your 100th tarot card set.
this is a brilliant video, this really points out everything that I NEED to see to keep playing the online. I've already taken one big break since onlines launch.. if I take another I might not come back. And I surely don't want that.
From Jack to Jack, excellent video man. Breaks my heart how Rockstar abandoned my favorite game they’ve ever released.
This video may say it's ruined... But now it's literally in a state where nothing can bring it back to being good... BECAUSE ITS BEING DISCONTINUED
wait they are discontinuing it?
@@mr.hotdog3719 they just announced that they will no longer support red dead 2, no more updates, it finished.
@@szowink aww that sucks
Can only hope after Gta 6 is out they carry through and actually update red dead. Hopes all we got.
@@axlenuts5418 Red Dead Redemption 2 is good while Read Dead Online is literal garbage left to die by Rockstar, don't get it twisted.
The economy is specifically designed to be like this. Rockstar doesn't want you to earn money/gold via gameplay, they want you to buy it with real money. The game obviously has massive potential but Rockstar just doesn't care. They want the most amount of money for as little work as possible.
I’d say TakeTwo are the problem, they are the publishers, and publishers are usually the reason games suck nowadays.
Yep. It's exactly what happened with GTA:O
I literally stopped playing RDR online on day 2 of it going live. A GOLD WATCH was worth less than a can of beans! I was like nope, rockstar ruined it. Sad to see they haven’t fixed the economy in 3 years.
@@Dr.Oofers This, and TakeTwo is omega cancer, it's honestly a miracle Rockstar even uses them anymore, surely they're big enough to publish their own games now
It’s honestly so depressing because they have solid gameplay and awesome open worlds, but then you are hit with these massive tedious grinds to get the cool stuff that just kill the whole fun of the game.
Why can’t we just enjoy games anymore and not just have our wallets sucked dry :(
I absolutely love RDR2, just finished the story the 3rd time and I couldn't stop myself from starting a 4th playthrough and I'm already blasting through Valentine.
Watched Nakey Jakeys video and now stumbled upon your channel and this one, and I couldn't agree more with many of the points both of you are making. The mission design in SP is a bit too strict (as NJ mentions) and some design decisions are weird, and basically everything you're talking about regarding online here is why I haven't played online more than just maybe 10 hours or so.
The RDR2 world is so wonderfully crafted and the game has so much potential, and it's heartbreaking that it feels like they kind of half-assed a lot of the content and seemingly now all work on GTA6. I for one am desperately hoping for either RDR3 or a remaster/remake of the original game (hopefully released on PC).
Good video Jack, really enjoy your content :)
I've been binging your videos, and there's always a good laugh in them. Keep up the good work!
My god, I played this with my father and his online friends for hundreds of hours, we had a posse called the Regulators, we Bounty Hunted and helped people out for the most part, most importantly we all wore the same badass outfit… rest in peace Dad…
Rest in peace. Sounds like an incredible experience with your father. I hope those fond memories carry with you and his memory is a blessing in your life. I only wish my dad could have seen this masterpiece. Good health to you and yours!
Rest in peace.
Haha i think I remember a posse with the same name, they were dark red lol or bright i think. I remember someone with a grown man voice
My name was mcloving24769
Rest in peace. I had the same sort of thing with CoD zombies with my father before he passed. Lots of memories :)
I will still never wrap my head around how rockstar can make such amazing single player story games like gta v and rdr2 before completely neglecting the story and focusing all of their efforts into making a crappy half assed online mode that cares more about making money and wasting time than being even remotely good despite having a dedicated community of people who want it to succeed and even suggestions to make it better.
Allow me.............take 2, consider your head wrapped!
Capitalism baby
My dad enjoys a playthrough of rdr2 every now and then, I wish online was better so he could enjoy it
@@Zethios maybe he should look into roleplaying servers
Because neither gta 5 nor rdr2 are all that interesting, at this point they know that and are just exploiting it because there are no competitors.
Me and my mates never even really got into it properly, we had so much fun in what little time we played, but we constantly got interrupted by hackers blowing us up out of nowhere, teleporting to us with an insta head shot, I'd say on average we would get a hacker every 2-3 hours. Really felt like such a shame, the game felt so nice with friends, just stuck waiting to hear about the number of hackers going down so we can actually try playing again
I’ve rewatched this video many times. I just love the breakdown. 😅 it’s well laid out and entertaining. I subbed like back when this came out but seeing it again in 2024 I just wanted to comment this lol. Thanks for the great content, you’re doing great 😊❤
it’s actually crazy that Rockstar refuses to properly address the lack of support on such a great game
Gta v needs to die so they will be forced to answer
Finally someone said it. The only reason Rockstar doesn't care about red dead redemption is because of gta 5. They get much much more money per month on an 8 year old game than on rdo. Personally, I love red dead redemption much more than gta. Great world, great characters and as a history enthusiast, it's just great for me. If people finally stop playing that stupid ass gta online then red dead will rise, but until then... Be patient
@@balefire3874 we've been patient bro, it's already been 3 years the only player base left are hard-core fans and everyone else probably won't come back and they can't really be blamed for that, I've been playing rdr2 and gta5 since the very hour they were released and I'm completely beyond bored with gta5 have been for a few years now, rdr2 definitely needs the love that game has had since the start but they simply don't care. "I ain't got much to say no more" Dutch Van Der Linde.
not that crazy considering gta online makes them money and they STILL dont produce quality updates......AFTER 20 YEARS
@@balefire3874
To my knowledge, GTAO Online also suffers from the same kind of issues RDR Online suffers. Long patches of nothing only to get lackluster content that barely entertains people, extremely long and nonsensical grinds to afford an equally nonsensical inflated economy, and a system that doesn't reward fun or efficiency (at least, until recently where you just grind Cayo Perico forever). iirc, Heists weren't released until 2 years after Online launched, and to make money in Online prior to Heists, you had to do boring escort/kill/deliver missions while killing NPCs dropped sub-$100 and finishing the mission too fast would net you 1/8 the money. To get the full amount, you had to kill at least 15 mins. Same as the Bounty Hunter role. Each job would give something around $20k but the best cars cost $1.2 million+ and clothing can cost several thousands to a couple hundred thousands.
8 years and the available content is PVP, variations of essentially the same escort/kill/deliver missions for various NPCs, Twisted Metal but worse, racing, stunt racing, and like 8 unique heists and 8 "mini heists." You can experience most of the content in a week or two, depending on how long you like to grind cash.
imo, Rockstar just makes unfun MMOs in general, as its always been a long ass grind for little to no content, and I think the only people who stick around are basically only doing so because of the sunk cost fallacy. Your end game is buying property to basically grab supplies and deliver it to your base, wait like 4-6 hours, then deliver your drugs/guns to the other side of the map in a slow semi-truck and repeat. Basically the Trader role in RDR Online. All to buy the flying motorcycle with missiles or the next multimillion dollar car.
tl;dr imo RDR Online is already getting GTA Online levels of support.
I was diagnosed with cancer shortly after the release of this game, and have since fully recovered. I preface the comment with this information because it greatly impacted my absolute love for the title. I became lost in the story. I cried multiple times throughout & played the game like it was a book, thinking it was the final gaming experience I would have in this life. This game brought so much light into my life, when all I could do was sleep, shit & eat through a straw. I can't emphasize enough how beautiful the base game is. I'm confident this game will have a special place in my heart for the rest of my life.
I wish I could wipe my memory and play it again. I hope that over time RDO gets the attention it deserves, and I hope I'm around to see that come to fruition.
Holy shit man you were literally living that game's story. I can't imagine how hard that was. I'm so happy to hear you got better.
You are literally the Arthur that overcame tuberculosis! Really glad you survived man
Pulling on my heartstrings man gal darnit
Just wanted to check in on u bro u good?
Holy hell, hope you’re doing well.
i come back to this video every few months because its just so gosh darn well put together and fun
Expected average gaming rant. Was surprised to find that it's opposite: video is actually well paced, very cozy and is straight to the point. Great job!
I used to play Red Dead Online everyday with all of my friends, we would laugh, yell, lasso each other and have a great time. Except eventually everyone started getting bored because they weren't adding anything and whatever they did add was not nearly enough to entertain anyone. So unfortunately we all fell out. I came across this video and it's nostalgic but it's also very sad.
You all fell out over rdr2?
@@David_brent rdr2 online yes
Same
@@David_brent maybe he meant online friends that he played rdo with
I am very disappointed that it took all of you three years to realize these issues with the online. It took me three minutes. I want every single one of you to apologize to me below by 5 AM Eastern time tomorrow. Thanks.
Finally! Someone with a good idea, I'd like to be a lawman in RDO. Imagine the fun, working for the good side for once.
Thank ya!
U can do that it's called accepting player bounties
Death to all law men!
Bounty hunter role is essentially that
Pretty much spend most of the game as "good guys" with maybe only a few missions actually requiring you to use some outlaw gunslinging thinking.
Little late to this @JackSather but great video. I played this game NONSTOP for 6 months and stopped for all the reasons you mentioned. Im mainly a soulslike fan myself but Rockstar needs to give you a job brother ! Id jump back in if they implemented half of your ideas. Great video man !!
Rockstar needs to hire you for Red Dead Online. You're a voice for the RDOnline Community. 😊
The greatest pain I felt was when Jack just randomly thought out amazing cool ideas R* could add in the game.
Like, it's not even that bloody difficult to add cool content to the game. All it needs is care
Just like what Dice did with bf1, they put in plenty of heart into the game and it's pretty good because of it. But then started caring less and less and now we have bfv and bf2042
@@TrickZ_Retz It shouldn't be all about the money. They should make good games even if it cuts their profit by 10%. Game making should not be moneydriven, like big companies have made it be.
I also don't get how you're saying GTA Online is trash lmao it's far from trash there's so much to do and they update it constantly.
too bad they dont give a shit about red dead online and are putting all effort on GTA 5 online , despite people asking so damn much for more red dead content and GTA 5 story mode content
@@luuttaja it wasn’t trash but they added certain things that made the online trash. And rockstar is a whole corporation. I promise they don’t give a damn about anything but the almighty dollar. They still make good games though.
@@moneymusa5607 Yeah I know they don’t give a shit but I’m saying they should.
I would absolutely love a rancher role. Buying your own ranch and being able to buy and raise different types of cattle or even bison. Then being able to sell calves and beef. With the potential of you having to protect your stock from bandits. Being able to do cattle drives to take back to your ranch. God I would fall in love
If John Marston can do it, I don’t see why we can’t
My favorite idea ever
Yes!
gta 5 warehouse style ranchingyou you could like steal supplies or even cattle itself and like grow from that
That was what I was thinking, I would really like to herd cattle with some friends and get money and gold out of it.
Watched, subscribed. Very well done video. Imagine what this game could be if they handed it off to the community to mod, it would be the best online game of all time. Also, imagine if they shared the challenge with the community, of how to keep the online game financially viable - there would be a host of incredible ideas they would come up with.
They should add a new role where you basically do heists. Robbing banks, people, trains, and kidnapping for ransom,
The health and stamina bar actually create more of a survival feeling, having the need for hunting and cooking better food at your camp. Red dead 2 has the potential for an amazing comeback, to get rockstar games to give it another chance.
To me the statement of the game being dead is false for almost any game, because it just doesn't magically dissapear the moment you uninstall it, if there is a worth while update with more stuff to buy, the game will come back to life eventually
@@rsho3472 there's a point where it's too little too late
@@spike5499 I get what you say, but this isn't an indie game, l4d2 for example: 8 Years without updates, 1 single update made BY FANS brought the game from 12k players regularly to almost 100k and now after 3 years the average player is 28k just to give an example
@@spike5499 they are currently working on gta 6 which is going to be bigger and possibly just as detailed as rdr2 I doubt they are gonna take a break to add an update to rdr2 online while they are still working on gta6 so just chill out it ain’t over
@@flesh4513 and arent they also working on red dead 1 remaster/remake?
It’s crazy that they spent over 5 years to make this game, this gorgeous map and now it’s just forgotten about
8 years
@@freshnesbro3792 yep
Just gotta raise the wages
Yep, so much potential just abandoned.
Rockstar
I think the time based missions are that way so that people can’t rip through them fast and stack up money fast. They should just make them all the same base payout and not include the time as a factor. Instead pay out more for doing more things like killing, looting, collecting, and side objectives. That will make people take longer but will make it actually fun for them.
I took a break, loaded up into a random posse and one of the posse members roped me while taunting me.
I rope him back and the posse leader seen only me and turned off friendly fire just for him to kill me and then turned it off.
I went to write her about the misunderstanding, while typing she kicked me from the posse and they all killed me.
The guy that originally roped me, sent me a message that I'm trash and to get good.
The girl who's posse it was acted like I was a liar and said, "I'm not reading paragraphs, loser."
I quit to my Xbox menu, baffled as to wtf just happened lol
I ain't reading all that. Either congratulations or sucks to be you
I played RDR2 during quarantine, and being on lockdown just made this game and its open landscapes and possibilities a million times better. It really meant a lot to me, i wish rockstar would take better care of it.
same
Same here man
What do you mean "on lockdown"? Gtfo of your house and go for a walk or go camping for a couple of days. The foak is wrong with ya?!
@@FackThePresent shut up
@@gokublack9496 Bhahahaha! Mad cause mentally enslaved? :D
Love the Lawman idea. Introduce the gunslinger as a counter role, and pit the two against each other for organic and constant meaningful pvp, and that it would alter a few things regarding NPC's and available missions from Bounty Boards and Trader missions.
I could see how they would be viewed as too similar to the bounty hunter, since the bounty hunter is basically a lawman without the title.
@@overland1178 it would be really cool if you could unlock lawmen outfits. it would be amazing for roleplay
Yea but the lawmen role in this iteration just kills npc gangs because there's an end goal. There's not a good enough incentive to run into real player bases and have a real risk of getting killed. Also the gunslinger would need a way to get money from not just fending off lawmen attacks but also other activities because having a role where the only time where you could use it was when another player interacts with you seems not fun. Maybe actually add heists to your wild west outlaw game.
@@oscarwang7227 Yes, that's the entire point. A mechanic that had a fleshed out PVP/Faction element could have rather easily been implemented, but alas, it is for naught, because Rockstar announced July 13 that they will no longer be releasing content for RDR2. Best open world game in many respects, but a project left unfinished in my estimation.
Already found a flaw in your lawman proposal, it involves having fun so there is no way they would add it in 😂 (i like the concept though)
literally just found u and i’m already subscribing solely because ur top three games are tlou, rdr2, and botw - you have taste
It’s sad because we all know what their doing. They made a well liked, beautiful, and fun game only to ditch it. Why? Because it’s basically a back up plan. Once they can’t beat GTA for any more money, they’ll start to care about Red Dead. But only to add pay to win features. Rockstar is known for beating cash cows to DEATH.
Agreed just waiting for the "real" micro purchases to kick in.
you mean they are working on the next gta which will most likely release within the next two years.
Once GTA stops making money they will release GTA6 and promptly start making money again. I am one of those people who thinks GTA6 might already be finished but they will not release it until GTA5 slows down sufficiently.
@@Artifex_Prudens Oh my sweet summer child.
@@Artifex_Prudens Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you think GTA 6 is coming out in the next 2 years hahahahahahahhahahahahhahahah
I honestly had no intention of watching more than 5 minutes of this. Your personality and charm kept me until the end. Very well done video, you have another subscriber.
i just wanted to say this.
Same, he good 👍
Same, 👍
This can’t be said any better.
Same here!
That lawman role would be so cool and doesn't seem like too much if any additional mechanics to add. I would def run that. They could make the role free but make it a requirement to have the bounty hunter and collectors roles first.
Man rockstar (and frankly most gaming company’s these days) need more people like you on their team, they don’t want to innovate, too scared to trade profit for creativity and content.
Man you’re so right about the undead nightmare thing. Like are we missing something? Rockstar likes money right? Make a few zombie models for god sake, and create a designated server for it. I’m honestly shocked they just blew that off.
It’s just…baffling. Even if it was dog shit and only 1/5th as fun, at least it’d be SOMETHING. It genuinely feels like someone in rockstar never wanted RDR2 to be made, was pissed that it got the green light, and after it was put out, they were determined to limit and/or kill the game any way they could.
That's been my question this whole time...why doesn't Rockstar want easy money
Just play hunt showdown
They already have zombie models, I remember coming across hackers in RDO that would send zombies and skeletons attacking me. Even had ai for the zombies.
This genuinely just makes me sad at how long they've had to redeem themselves, and at every hurdle. They spit in the communities face :(
From the start I knew it would be trash.
That's Rockstar for ya.
Yeh it sucks. When they took away thr endless dailies to cut it to 28days alot of ppl gave up then. I plugged away but I've quit playing now. Everytime they released a big GTA update I got pissed lol. Fuckem, plenty of other games I like.
Poor red dead while gta 5 is thriving with content.
I've never played it, and never will - but I would have loved to play the version they should have - and could have - made.
Even GTA Online let you rob shops at launch.
So many good point in the video and 99% of the thoughts I have had playing online version. Now, gotta say I stopped after just hanging around St Denis, picking up fights with other players. I even got so bored i wasted money on fast-travel just to find someone in the server to have a fight-off. I ended up getting heaps of negativity from other players. All i can say I got bored as you mentioned in the video, slooooow gold and money collecting which lead me to delete the game.
I spent over 450 hours in RDO (yes, really) and I have to say Ive never been disappointed in something more in my life than in Rockstar for basically spitting into players faces and completly abondening this game. I remember having soooo much hope in Blood money back when it was announced only for it to become a laughing stock. For a long time the only small drops of "content" were weekly updates with discounts, and they even nerfed that, making it monthly updates and that just killed it for me. I hope that one day I will come back to RDO, but I dont expect it tbh
rockstar literally made a masterpiece of a story mode lol you're a scrub gamer. quit crying
@@Stream_Jordan98 yeah they can, but are they going to?
Been playing since the second week online came out, took probably a year long break and got back into it recently, while it's super disappointing from what we all hyped it up to be and expected it to be, as long as you have some friends to play with I have a good time. I just wish rockstar would give it an update
That’s not unbelievable tho I have over 2,800 hours in gta
@@foxxtrotecho8950 yeah well I had friends who played it, not anymore, they ditched it lol
Thought I was watching a big huge CZcamsr an entire 15 minutes in the just realised im the 200th view.
This is a great video man! Probably the best examination of RDO in the most entertaining, cogent, and productive way I'd seen. Not just a complaint, but actually suggests real, plausible and genuine changes that'll turn things around. More stuff like this, and this channel is gonna be huge in no time at all.
And would love some videos on RDR2 story mode, though as time goes its getting harder and harder to squeeze some content out of that lol.
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Edit: 7 days later and this video has 1.7 MILLION VIEWS JESUS CHRIST! Well deserved :)
Too kind!! Thank you very much 🙏🏻
Honestly same just realized this only has 200 likes just now it has 201
Me too! I just shared the Shit out of it!! Everyone should!!
me too. I was like this pro! and right on, topic and opinion wise. Then saw this dude is just getting started here. Keep it up!
Me too i thought i was watching a big youtuber the hole video not just 15 mintues iwas like really this huge and verry good work and montage and he have 1300 subcribe?!! and the video its really what the rdr2 players wants and hated everyone who really love the game share this every where with every rdr player rockstar should see this video instead of fixing the difintive bullshitt they should work on rdo its really good game dont waste this good game rockstar . from saudi arabia
dude , thank you, for a weird reason now I don't feel so alone in this world , your vids are wholesome , subbing belling :P
16:35 me and 2 other friends really enjoy the food bar. Just today we where saying this feeling of chasing money, hunting for your food and cooking it back at camp. We mostly just walk around slowly really taking in the environment, cooking at camp together and just actually tell stories at night by the fire and go out during the day etc. So I would love to keep that part atleast. But the roles you described with propperty maybe being a farmer, or police would be awesome.
Jack: *comes up with a great Lawman role*
Rockstar: “y’all hear sum?”
“Nah must be a bird again”
“What was that just now? Must’ve been the wind”
To be fair people have been saying the lawman stuff since the day online came out, so not exactly a revolutionary idea or anything.
Ya, it doesn't take a whole lot of thought how to make the online one of the better online games. Also, from the first one, the PVP shootout and DM matches were amazing, and sites were well designed for shootouts. This ones shootout series, or whatever it's called, are lazily put together, boring map design for those. And people only play for a daily and bounce. Nothing holding people in that mode.
It's a great campaign, and disappointing online experience
@@slashismyhommie8182 yeah rockstar can definitely add more stuff that would actually be worth playing the game, but it's obvious that they won't.
This video reflects 100% of the conversation regarding RDRonline that me and the bois had few days back. The same missions over and over and over and over. Its such a lush and vibrant world, and yet you feel alone, without a purpose. Resulting of it getting old in just 100 hours.
Too bad, as its such a great game.
100? More like 20
Your statement kinda a metaphor for life as well.
more like 20 minutes for me literally. RDR2 online was always AWFUL
@@codman5239 life is what you make it
@@inparis5724 True, I just know for some people with no purpose they feel not only alone but unworthy.
I just wanted to say that this video inspired me to to play rdr2 for the first time. I now have 180 hours and am on my second playthrough where I’m doing everything possible. Great video!
I’ve found myself essentially using this game as an escape, sort of an outdoors sim lol, I hunt i fish, I explore. It’s like being at my Cabin, can’t go as much as I used to do it is nice to be able to simulate that
Is there any advantage to doing those things in the online rather than the single player?
better to do it in single player, there is just more stuff in general than online
I absolutely loved RDR2 2 years ago, just installed it again to check out the multiplayer.. couldn't hurt. Saw that you had to PAY MONEY to actually get the "main missions" and quit again, I'm way too cynical not to see the way they designed the whole game around microtransactions, it's awful.
Its a real shame. Ive played online a fair bit, but tbh thats only because i had a bunch of people to play it with. Its one fo those games where something hilarious happens pretty often, but that being said without friends online is shit. Even with friends its been pretty boring for a while now, since everytime i play it i think of how its just a worse version of the singleplayer
Pay money to get main mission? Huh? I aint paid a cent and played all of them
@@PhsykoOmen in online, if you want instant access yes, i didn't pay either but in order to get somewhere you need to play the same repetive boring shite for a long time. RDR Online, is a boring, empty shite
What are you doing here Rupty?
@@PhsykoOmen that was the singleplayer (which is fucking excelent by the way) then, online you need to pay gold bars just to get access to moonshiners missions in online
The fact that Skyrim was re-released several times over a decade and still hasn’t outsold RDR2 is amazing
Right? That blew my mind while researching. Shows the power that Rockstar's name has.
That’s the most impressive video game fact I’ve learned this year.
And yet I had way more fun with Skyrim each time than with scripted RDR2 where wrong turn means mission failed.
Yup, the curse of a big name. Rockstar fanboys are the most dedicated idiots I've ever seen, and they are singlehandedly responsible for Rockstar never upping their game design. Because if it keeps selling for minimal effort, why put in more? Who cares that the controls are still extremely unresponsive as if this is an indie PS2 game? Who cares that the physics are so fucked that pebbles make your horse trip like he stepped on a landmine? Who cares that the game actively takes away control from the player at so many different instances and never does what you actually want it to do because they didn't implement the AI for it to do so?
People buy it, so sell it.
It's honestly such a shame. As Jack says, there's so much potential. The gameplay is an absolute embarrassment that is outdated by a good 1-2 decades (literally, so many games like Skyrim and Dragon's Dogma have it beat by so much), yet Rockstar stans praise it as the Messiah.
@@TheStraightestWhitest I think thats the same as Nintendo Fanboys. Console so outdated the moment its released, my 2 years old phone can outperform it 10 times while my battery holds for half a day while playing not 2 hours as switch and yet its praised as somekind of alien technology send here by the gods.
There is a thing I learnt pretty quickly dont argue with Rockstar or Nintendo fanboys. Its pointless because they are satisfied with mediocrity :)
Now when I first went into red dead online the first thing I did was try and robbing a bank only to be met with a bounty and no money.
I got back into Red Dead this time on PC. Can say Online is an absolute shit show with modders and bugs. Such a shame they gave up on this game and are still updating GTA Online
I legit wanna cry when I think about all the things that R* will never do with this game, and all the wasted potential.
hey, you helped some chad in GTAV get another Heist mission 8 years later at least
Youre not alone brother
I feel you man, its really so heartbreaking they had this beautiful world with nothing to do
Rockstar is going to die in about 5 years
Me too :(
Things to add:
Train robberies
Bank robberies
More story missions
Reduce prices and upgrade payouts
Easier ways to buy wagons and more wagons
More roles like Native American (credit to some guy in comments)
Lawman like you implied
Bonuses for being in a posse
Posse only missions
A town up north
Guarma and the penitentiary available
More stranger missions
Better payouts for fishing and hunting
Being able to steal wagons and horses and keep some of them (like npc cars in gta)
Having missions with John marston??
Missions with strangers from story mode
And that’s it, according to me
The thing is if you reduce the prices it would be bad the prices now are low a Mauser used to cost 1000 each
A few little houses to buy wouldn’t be to bad either
You already have missions given by Strangers from the story mode. Like Sadie Addler, before her husband was killed.
How would having missions with Marston work story wise. Rdo is set before rdr2 story mode.
dude... you reminded me how much fun i had with my friends and deadeye on the improvement needed.... amazing!!!
For me Red Dead Online was dead right from the start. They never put in free aim servers like RDR1. This meant any player I crossed paths with while I was hunting/fishing etc could insta lock on to me and shoot me dead in an instant without me having a realistic chance to react. I'm decent at gunplay in most games so I tend to win more encounters than lose but this forced auto aim on everyone just made every PvP element of the game dogshit.
Imagine cinematic heists with each heist member having a unique task, imagine building your own house or even farm and raising cattle and crops to sell, imagine your mentioned lawman role, imagine nuevo paraiso unlocked with yet another revolution going on...
there is so much that could be done to get players back but i guess rdo doesn't make nearly as much money from microtransactions as gtao does...and that is all take two and r*care about while destroying their reputation and pissing off their fans more and more.
Edit: they should bring back a slightly younger landon rickets and make us help him on his journey to mexico while the general diaz or whatever his name was is on his conquest, finish the already existing main quest, bring back beloved characters and not just make them generic mission dealers again...
Everythin for free of course?!
@@reddeadcannoli2668not sure if i understand what exactly you mean
@@knightofnightside like if it won’t cost like 40 gold bars to do a heist
@@retrosrobloxreviews9564 well i guess we will need some sort of base of operation or similar which will cost money and can be bought with gold aswell, prep missions that you can skip with gold probably, something like that
"each heist member having a unique task". I assure you, normal matchmaking is going to be a nightmare, playing with people who don't know english and think using their feet.
The thing that got to me the most when I first played online was when I realized just how many characters that should be alive in the main story at this point weren't there at all. Not even a mention of any one character that had such a huge influence on me. No O'Driscolls, Lemoyne Raiders, Pinkertons, Braithwaites, Chelonians, not even the Wapiti Indians are in online. Those guys had so much life to them that I felt betrayed to see that none of them were there at all. And when they were there, it felt like they were added in just to appeal to whatever new content drop was coming that I would later have to pay for out of pocket due to the absurd price of roles.
I think the online was supposed to take place after the story because you see for sale properties in the epilogue
Bro ik this is pretty unrelated and good point bye but do you know what the song is at the bounty hunting part?
@@rufflesthegreat2264 bro do you happen to know what the song is at the bounty hunting part??
@@rufflesthegreat2264 I'm pretty sure it takes place before the main story since you can still find characters like sean and Sadie's husband
all of in game gangs are in, they just dont spawn as frequently as in sp.
Here's the funny part. Rockstar announced they were not going to update the game at all save for some seasonal things.
Reason? Here's a hint: What game is Rockstar constantly updating that has been doing pretty well for almost 10 years?
I played recently and grinded out the dailies for about 2 months. I unlocked all the roles and hit level 100. Only thing left to do is max out all my roles. I've had a good time by myself but stopped playing because it got old. Maybe I'll pick it up again later.
I can understand putting more attention into GTA since it’s such a lucrative money maker, but the way Rockstar has just completely left the game out to dry is inexcusable. The game has the potential to be one of the greatest multiplayer experiences out there
It seriously does. SO sad for a game with such an incredible single player experience.
Well, i think for them it is just a job. Today we make this, tomorrow we are moving to something else or we are concentrating on the last project that was way more lucrative. I started my gaming with ZX Spectrum, than moving on c64, amiga, some segas and nintendos on the way finishing with PC as a main gear. The Rdr 2 is the best game ever made. Period. But golden chicken needs a golden stew
I believe they should remove gold bars give roles for free and also smth very anoying i want to see the price of a bounty in the posters ahhh
All rockstar creators, are enjoying their money
Why even make an online mode like this if you aren't gonna deliver? It's a a ghost town where content goes to starve out....
I love that your critique of this game not only contains appreciation but solutions as well. Too many essays do not include constructive criticism. This was very well done. Funny, great great great editing and cinematics, as well as a killer moustache. Cheers man.
this is what i was thinking😭 i had to rewind a few times cause i was too focused on the lighting or the costume he set up
Excellent comment.
Too many essays also fail to include appreciation where it's due and I'm glad he included that (especially as someone who loves RDO simply for the fact that I can turn off my brain and do stuff for the different occupations / do daily challenges / etc.). Yes, it's certainly flawed, but it's also not really THAT terrible which is why I'm glad he focused on both.
@@TrickyTricky914 I completely agree. It's not the best game ever (RDR2 is, but RDO ain't) and it does deserve some of its criticisms, but IMO RDO is much better than GTAO, despite its many flaws.
They could add in annual events. Like during Halloween, Undead Nightmare all October with 2x XP and cash/gold. They could literally do this for every major holiday.
I whole-heartedly agree with your statements. With what you've said, I believe RDR 2 online has so much potential! I really hope they change their minds. I haven’t played the online version, so I hope something was done at this point.
I just got red dead, the story is a masterpiece. The online however, feels desolate and spread out. And when I do run into players it’s a bunch of dick heads who camp and kill your horse repeatedly
Get friends to play with if you can makes it more fun online also Horse Insurance while expensive (125$) heals your horse for you all the time and jus parley everyone who kills you
@@Saucycrzy what does parley do? i always see the option but have no clue what it does
@@TurboMusicArtist it means you're a pussy (Joking,) but basically it puts you into a position where that player can't kill you
@@TurboMusicArtist it stops them from killing you for like 10-15 min and if they kill you after the parley ends just parley again
Unfortunately that's probably the only fun they got out the game
This is my biggest “what could’ve been” game of all time. If only rockstar decided to put more effort and focus on online.
Idk, kinda hypocritical of the community, y'all hate GTA Online but wanted something more than what GTA had to offer outta RDR2, and at this point it's clear to see that rockstar never gave a damn about RDRO, but they knew that they could easily replicate some version of the success of their previous titles. I can't understand why you would expect them to give more of a damn than they already did. They could but even still, the people that made the games we love, aren't with the company anymore and they aren't working for the online division.
@@Super_Broly because it would make billions more if the online was somewhat enjoyable lol
@@unbalancedlibra9788 it really wouldn't though. If that was the case and Rockstar saw the same potential, they wouldn't have shit all over the online for RDR2.
This game isn't for kids and teens that wanna hang out and drive cars and cause chaos . It's for older men, probably 20 something with a beard, that gets off after a long day of work and plays some Red Dead to relax. They aren't gonna be buying gold every week, not gonna play every day, and they won't be there for the updates day one like these kids are. And that's simply why RDO isn't supported like GTAO, look at who you are trying to sell to, and you tell me which one of those groups is gonna make you more money. Lol
@@Super_Broly you can say RDR online is for manly men and that's why I dislike it... lol but I think it's an empty shell of what it could been, monetary system is f%cked. Can't even buy a house/cabin. It's lacking my friend
@@Super_Broly dude rd is more for teens then gta is. You can do the most wild shit in gta like strip clubs and prostitution. You can’t even do that in rd. You can’t even rob banks like you can in gta. Rd definitely has more gore but it’s not as violent as gta.
Hey there ! Very nice video mate .You maybe just forgot about the treasure maps.I've been only grinding those maps for 3hr and I got 10 golden bars + nice amount of cash.I know those can get tedious but it's nicely rewarded (tip: I switch to my XBOX controller to get the vibration feedback ==> closer you are to the chest the more it vibrates)
On the opposite side of your suggestions, I would like a "lawman" position that's mixed with the bounty hunter. I wanted to play RDRO as a "good guy", but there never seems to be an opportunity to do so.
It's weird because there was so much love put into the singleplayer. It's almost unbelieveable it's the same company that made Red Dead Online.
Probably wasn't the same people. The story mode was a world-class model of grace and beauty, who, when they were finished with her, Rockstar handed her off to another team tasked with turning her into a money-making whore.
Maybe a different team. Thousands worked on rdr2. Conceivable that different people worked on the online portion. People that DIDN'T GIVE A FUCK
It's about greed. If people stop doing micro transactions. They would stop doing them.
@@davidcook680 that’s not how that works
this is an incredible and accurate analysis of the game from the player's point of view- amazing work. We can only hope that rockstar will eventually put some sort of effort into keeping this game alive.
Thanks!!
As long as GTA online is alive RDO is dead and forgotten and it's a damn shame because RDO has potential and rdr2 was an amazing game in general.
They can do it easily,but doesnt for some stupid reason
@@mistersandman5811 they don't wanna risk their golden goose, which is why their isn't a gta 6, and gta 5 has now been on ps3, ps4 and ps5. Because microtransactions is the focus of Rockstar.
They made a billion dollars last year, and most of it is microtransactions.
@@Robert53area just as bad as Bethesda at this point
My first ever delivery, I fell off that same cliff, and I said the same thing before I fell
i know i'm very late to the game but i recently finished RDR2 the story is amazing, it's so funny that the EXACT experienced you described at the start is what i experienced when i started. when i realized how fkd the economy is i genuinely questioned if i would be playing it at all. as you mentioned the western setting wasnt really my thing and the economy sucks. that being said, i just abused the fk out of the 2x moonshine last month and now i am in a weird position where idk what to spend my money on.
i completely agree the game had so much potential and they just FK'd it for what is clear and blatant greed.
😢rdr2 online should be the best Rockstar project
The Lawman is an excellent role idea that I've told my friends about over a year ago.
Rancher/farmhand
Mining/panning for gold
Gambler
Hell even a stage coach driver 😭😂😂😂
Lawman = Bounty hunter prestige. you can go after players with a high enough bounty on them.
and Gambler already exists, hit up any saloon, they all have card tabled
would like a prospector role that allows you to gold pan and mine for valuable gems and gold nugs
Horse Breeder = take wild horse and raise certain breeds to make good money
@@PMMillard But the Lawman role he suggested is a lot more beneficial and fun.
@@theonlyMoancore This is what the Naturalist role should have been. A way to work with animals. The more you progress, the bigger the animals you can track, herd, and tame, eventually ending around role level 15 by including bears. Right now the Naturalist role literally does nothing new. Shoot > interact. Sure you sedate instead of kill, and you take a sample instead of skinning, but the effective gameplay is *literally* the same.
You hit the nail on the head with the inconsistent cost of “things” in online. If I was grinding for $4 dollars at a time and the new gun I wanted was $12 dollars I’d have no problem. If anything I’d be happy with the cost of things relative to the time period… but a $50 gun compared to a $1000 gun belt… 😂 what
Literally, a thousand dollars back then is literally worth over 33,000 today. You're literally buying a 33,000 dollar gun belt
@@ntfoperative9432 worth it, a “small” price to pay hold my 5 more bullets
You know what would’ve been cool imagine buying and building a stud farm for noble stallions that way you can make money by betting on them, maybe even be able bribe the Jockeys to lose and you’ll make even more profit, so much wasting elements.
Such a great and clean video congrats and respect man!!!
I'm so conflicted because they put so much love into the single-player and they just kicked us in the balls for the multiplayer
same thing happened with gta 5
The single-player ball kicks for both RDR2 and GTAV is the complete and utter lack of story mode DLC. The devs pour love into the games, the execs kick us in the balls.
Usually how it happens when the single player is great, I wasn’t mad though since I only bought it for single player
There's no need to be conflicted when there's been a pattern of extremely bad & negligent behavior on Rockstar's behalf. It's basically like being on the receiving end of an abusive relationship. I've played their games since the original GTA on PS1, and I'm never giving them a dime again. I'd rather support indie devs that actually give a shit about their communities.
@@Shrieqer There wouldn't be a conflict at all if the games were shit through and through, or even mediocre like most EA and Ubisoft titles. The frustrating part is that the single-player stories are incredible to the point where you're doing yourself a disservice if you're avoiding them without a good reason.
And even without DLC, or a fair and balanced MP, the games are 100% worth full price for story mode alone. Indies are great in a lot of different ways, but they literally can't offer you what RDR2 does.
Finally someone who appreciates the online but recognizes that it has some major issues! This was a really good video to watch
Appreciate the opinion, but still not sure what you meant by that. From what I saw anyone who cared to play rdro more than a couple of hours appreciates it but eventually leaves because of the issues. Everyone knows it's a grindy drag designed to milk your muneh
There is nothing to appreciate about the online play
@Dante Toshiro64 just read my username
@@christopherbeehler7276 grow up.
Not adding new stuff is the thing that destroys this perfect game. Most griefers are either people whove done everything and just kill people or new people who don't know any better. It has so much potential, yet so little care.
I don’t need Rdr2 Online, I just need the Garrack Hat. Give me the Garrack hat. *Now.*
God damn this video is great. Really well done dude, was a great watch from start to finish and really reminded me of all the stages of gradual disappointment I'd been through with RDO as well. It's the sheer potential the entire experience has that makes its current state so frustrating. Looking forward to more vids mate, I enjoyed this a lot!
Love ur channel, im very excited for the next TGB. How is frank doing by the way
Arent you the guy who played fall guys on twitch?
Hi man, just wanted to say I love your content, and you made many of my days way better :)
The gamemode you came up with on your own would be badass! Like Rockstar hire this man.
Yooooo its the Guy!!
One of the largest things in GTA online, one that keeps people playing to this day is heists. If we could get massive buildup robberies with your posse, doing missions like finding the dynamite, or different ways to come up with a plan like we had in the campaign. Heists would add a whole lot of content and bring a lot of people back, myself included.
They even did this in the single player in a small scale. Cornwall's train - you find the info, dynamite, Dutch plans it and you execute. Train in the Scarlett Meadows - John thinks about the plan, you get the oil wagon and then you execute the job. Last train job - first you get the dynamite with Bill, next blow the bridge and in the end rob this train. To be honest the only thing that I like in GTAO is heists with all this work you put as a team to make it.
This idea is gold! I've wanted heists in rdo since 2019... I thought it would have happened honestly.
They don't give a fuck. Unless GTA online bitches stop paying so much they won't go out of their way to do something for the fans if they have stacks of money keep going down the chimney for low effort.
We all want more content its a shame that they dont see the potential like we do
For the Lawman role, once you fully completed one mission, you get given the police badge (that you can add or remove through your wardrobe).
Maybe the more missions you do, the better the badge. Bronze, silver, gold, platinum, etc
This video actually made me really sad. I had so much fun playing this game even though the majority of it I’ve been playing alone. I really don’t have any friends. This game was sort of a self reflection of my life. Just me myself and the frontier. I guess once again, after putting so much time into something that I love. I’ll be forced to ride off into the sunset. You got it GTA. Enjoy.
What platform? If we are the same, I'll ride with you.
Same.....same :(
You might be alone in the physical way, but you'll always be a part of the posse. Ride on lone spirit
Psn: Arctic_Phenix2
I'm on PS if any of you all are interested. My posse is about four but usually we run 2 unless I can raise my brother from the dead. We live across the country from each other and are quite old. Otherwise I'd just go kick him
I’ll ride with you any day. Psn: Jake Aselin
No one is really alone, they just haven’t met enough people yet
I want to mention that hideouts used to have almost a guaranteed $50/treasure map/ or crafting pamphlet. It was cut the same time they cut consistent random stranger activities(that cut the monotony of traveling the map and paid pretty well) along with absolutely nuking animal encounters (at the least animal encounter got fixed with naturalist)
Oh. I almost forgot. THE STRANGERS USED TO HAVE TREASURE MAPS THAT YOU COULD GET AS REWARD OR STEAL THEN THEY RIPPED IT OUT COMPLETELY
love watching ian hecox talk about red dead online. great stuff man