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🙄As an ex trinitarian whos frustrated I spent my whole life bearing false witness of Jesus claiming to be God...
Would you mind starting off a Trinitarian conversation in a way that I'm suggesting one time and see how it goes?
Ask a trinitarian why all 27 New Testament books and all nine New Testament authors claim that Jesus has a god?
And make them count...
Revelation 3:21 Jesus says,
To him that overcomith ,
will I grant to sit with me on
🫱"My Throne"; even as I also overcame,
and ad set down with
❌"my father" on his throne.
COUNT 2 Separate Thrones and individuals
Also Clement was the "only" Church Father with Apostolic procession, trained by Peter and greeted by Paul in Philippians 4:3
60-90AD till Martyred.
Here's Clement:
Rev 3:21 KJV
1 Clement 59:4.
"Let all the Gentiles know that
❌Thou art the God alone, and
🫱Jesus Christ is Thy Son.
Good luck & God bless👍
@dawahwise
🙄As an ex trinitarian whos frustrated I spent my whole life bearing false witness of Jesus claiming to be God...
Would you mind starting off a Trinitarian conversation in a way that I'm suggesting one time and see how it goes?
Ask a trinitarian why all 27 New Testament books and all nine New Testament authors claim that Jesus has a god?
And make them count...
Revelation 3:21 Jesus says,
To him that overcomith ,
will I grant to sit with me on
🫱"My Throne"; even as I also overcame,
and ad set down with
❌"my father" on his throne.
COUNT 2 Separate Thrones and individuals
Also Clement was the "only" Church Father with Apostolic procession, trained by Peter and greeted by Paul in Philippians 4:3
60-90AD till Martyred.
Here's Clement:
Rev 3:21 KJV
1 Clement 59:4.
"Let all the Gentiles know that
❌Thou art the God alone, and
🫱Jesus Christ is Thy Son.
Good luck & God bless👍
He stunned when been mention ,the source came from Christian themself..
Yet, he reject it..
What a fine man ! They have civilized discusion and have respect each other at the end despite the differences.
I hope he find the truth ! 🙏
respectful christian,. very good ending 👍👍👍
When a Muslim has read and memorized enough of the Bible and has long experience like Bro. Mansur debated staunch Christians in the past with confidence refuting their misunderstanding of their Bible and was able to explain them. However, Missionaries have a Job to preach their Bible and with intent will ignore or dispute the fallacies that hurt or embarrass them so badly regarding their belief, unless they are truth seekers and are humble will check later. This debate was quite clear as the blue sky that Mansur intelligently spoke with great knowledge and the preacher had to submit and praise Islam and the Muslims for knowing so much.
Dua asking for firmness in faith
«اللَّهُمَّ ثَبِّتْنِي وَاجْعَلْنِي هَادِيًا مَهْدِيًّا».
allaahumma thabbitnee, wajalnee haadiyam-mahdiyyaa
"O Allah! Make me firm (in faith), guide me, and make me a means to guidance.
😂😂😂 Ego will be the end of some Christians.
post the entire interview where you show the whole hour of conversation prior to this
where should i search ?
I am the guy in the orange t-shirt. From my point of view, the man in the white shirt did not have an opportunity to make his points; he was constantly interrupted, yet he was respectful enough to allow the guy in the hat to speak. It felt to me like the man in the hat was losing arguments, as he resorted to dominating the conversation and did not allow the other side to make his points. I hope to see the man in the white shirt speak again, as I believe the few points he did make were great, even though he was not given the time to address them. This is in fact not a full conversation, which is a shame.
@@AndriusRut did you watch the part one ?
The guy in the white shirt he had the opportunity to make his points and he did
Yet he fails to answer any of manssur's arguments
Even the guy who came up in the end has knowledge in greek and he shows to the white shirt man that hen and hast are different, he still refuses to understand
May allah show you the straight path
If you are a Cristian just read the quran you're not losing anything
@@dra._gon I believe he did answer his questions. Can you point where he didn't? I'm still learning and need to read The Bible first. God bless you.
@@AndriusRut for example God cant be God and not God at the same time
But anyway this not the point
the truth is one either Christianity is wrong or islam is wrong or both are wrong
There is only one truth
Now when you look at the bible you can't find any verse that proves jesus is god
However christians like to say "i am and the father are one"
But at the same time jesus says in other verse that he is and his students are one
Does that make his students god ?
They say jesus is the word of god
Yes he is because he is a prophet
He teaches the revelation that's been given to him from god
Ine the bible "before abraham was iam"
Well adam was before abraham
Many people were before abraham
Does that makes them god
Also the bible is full with contradictions, numerical contradictions and others
How can you trust this book
However the quran has none of this contradictions
Just read it with open mind
If you find one contradiction in quran i will leave islam
I am just giving an advice
Everyone is born in different sociaty but how do you know you that your religion is the truth
Why can't you be wrong and the others are correct
This is just an advice just read the quran that's all i am asking
When heart is blind, there is no way eye can see.
Defend the truth and you’ll become an enemy is Islam. If Jesus only claimed to be One with the Father is purpose why did the Jews try to kill him once He said those words. We are 2024 years removed from the events we therefore have to rely on how the people who were there at the time interpreted Jesus’s words. They tried to kill Him in that moment and eventually the did for the ‘Crime’ of blasphemy. Case closed!
Post the whole video
where did you look it ?
@@CHA880YIt’s not up yet, he has only posted this clip
@@CHA880Yjk he just posted a longer one
September 19, 2021 Topic: Islam Region: Middle East Tags: IslamReligionMuslimsAtheismIraqYemenSaudi Arabia
Atheism Among Muslims is “Spreading Like Wildfire”
Atheism among Muslim populations was once unthinkable. But individuals are now renouncing Islam at greater rates than ever before.
I don't why the Christians are still blind in their faith and some Christians are still reverting to Islam Alhamdulillah they found the truth "He found you lost and guided you [ Quran 93:7] ❤
And many millions every year convert to Christianity or atheism Islamic communities contain 'tsunamis of atheism' that are being suppressed, says leading ex-Muslim
Documentary exposes 'silent challenges' facing those who abandon their Muslim faith
@@johngurvan8279 Specially the most are converted to Islam bro
@@SPIDEY_EDITZ594 Six Million Muslims Convert To Christianity in Africa Alone Each Year
By Muslim Statistics Admin
December 14, 2012
According to Al-Jazeerah’s interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, in every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity.
Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity in Africa alone so you can imagine the worldwide numbers. How many others of them convert to Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism or just plain atheism? MILLIONS.
@@SPIDEY_EDITZ594 According to the director of the Inter-religious Council in Russia, Roman Silantyev, in the last fifteen years two million Russian-born Muslims have converted to Christianity, while only 2,500 Russians have converted to Islam.
In an interview published by the magazine Itogi, Silantyev said, “This phenomenon of Christianization is due not so much to the positive results of a successful missionary campaign as to the influence of Russian culture and its Christian roots.”
@@SPIDEY_EDITZ594 Alethophobia works quick Islamic communities contain 'tsunamis of atheism' that are being suppressed, says leading ex-Muslim
Documentary exposes 'silent challenges' facing those who abandon t
God is not a man, that he should lie; Neither the son of man, that he should repent: Hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
- Numbers , 23 : 19
Alhamdulillah
❤
I like to think that he would have years of restless and haunting nights from this debate
He (God) alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever.
(1 Timothy 6:16)
NOTE: This verse says God is immortal means not subject to death. Also, the verse says "No one has seen or can see God". Now, read 1 Timothy 6:16 again and answer two simple questions.
1. Did Jesus die or not?
2. Were people able to see Jesus or not?
Such a weak argument😂
1 Timothy 6:16 , the verse is referring to God in his original and gloried state, it is a reference to Exodus 34. John 1:18 explains how no man has ever seen God in his original glorified state, however, Jesus who is God incarnate has revealed him(God). John is literally saying Jesus revealed God in the flesh.
2. Jesus' humanity died on the cross
@@theworshipsession Sorry, I didn't understand you properly. So, you believe in two Gods original and fake? What about the Holy Spirit? Do you believe in human sac'rifice for your atonement?
@@ranawaqasahmad3982
Lol,
The Trinitarian position is that there is One God existing in three co equal persons.
Father(God), Son(God), Holy Spirit(God) are equally God in Essence(Whatness) or Nature(Whatness), but 3 distinct functionalities(Persons).
Jesus who is God, chose to assume(take on) a second nature as human, so he was both God and Human at the same time, truly God and truly Human.
Assuming(taking on) a second nature does not mean Jesus isn’t God, it’s called the incarnation.
@@theworshipsession Did any prophet of God preach trinity? Even Jesus didn't preach the trinity. Jesus being God was decided in 325 AD and Trinity was decided in 381 AD. Your current beliefs come from the councils of Nicea and Constantinople, not from the Bible.
He (God) alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever.
(1 Timothy 6:16)
NOTE: This verse says God is immortal means not subject to death. Also, the verse says "No one has seen or can see God". Now, read 1 Timothy 6:16 again and answer two simple questions.
1. Did Jesus die or not?
2. Were people able to see Jesus or not?
@@ranawaqasahmad3982
This shows you don’t actually study the church fathers at all😂😭
How was Jesus’ deity established in 325 AD at the Council of Nicaea if the council was caused by Arius who did not agree with Jesus being God, and he assumed that Jesus was a created being. That means Arius was addressing and disagreeing with a belief that Jesus was God way before the council of Nicaea.
The Council of Chalcedon started as a continuation of the Arian controversy but also another person came to the scene, Apolinaris, that believed Jesus was not fully human, and that his divine nature has fully displaced his human mind and will, obviously according to scripture we believe that Jesus existed as fully God and fully human. So each council is addressing and clarifying what the early Church has always believed, There is One God and that is Father(God), Son(God), Holy Spirit(God).
According to the English dictionary the word “son” means -
1. A male child of either parents
2. A male descendant
3. A male off spring
4. A boy in relations to either parents
The question is WHERE did god get the “ son” FROM?
I rest my case
Jesus didn't come to paul. satan did. that's why he contradicts Jesus teachings. Jesus in bible: Father is greater than I. Paul: they must be coequal. Jesus in bible: If you want eternal life ,keep the commandments. Paul: Jesus is cursed. law is finished (God's eternal commandments finished?). they rather follow paul then Jesus. not Christianity, they follow paulianity.
”The Father and I are one.” The Jews took up stones again to stone him.“
John 10:30-31 NRSV
They took up stones because they knew what he was claiming: he was claiming to be God.
@@derpsquad1o142 Read John 17 20-23 where Jesus explain what 'I and my Father are one'.
@@pijesz Hebrews 1 and 2 expands upon this. But Jesus is the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through him.
@@derpsquad1o142 So what did he say about the only true God?
@@pijesz huh? I don’t even know what you’re implication is. Jesus never stops people from worshipping him. He says an advocate will come after him so he must return to the Father. There is unity in Christ to those who the Father has given to him-whatever that means. I already mentioned his claim to be divine. What else do you want?
They are both God. Three in one.
Honestly. All of these criticisms are non-critiques. We’ve answered all of these questions and have for thousands of years
No even 5 Minutes he change the topic about the corruption in bible
Edited interviews always make me nervous
Great analysis of Paul. THEN they turn around a believe Bukarhi had a vision of the Prophet to create comic book stories about him hundreds of years later which have numerous statements that go against the Quran. So smart about others flaws yet deaf, dumb and blind to their own.
You ignorance is expected.
Oral memorized and written Hadith existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad Salalahu Alayhi Wa Ta'ala.
All bukhari did was classify them into grades between authentic and weak, listing chain of narrators etc, using Hadith science he developed.
Your silly meme is dead on arrival. Educate yourself.
@@reesecane7878 - LOL. U think knowing that line of garbage is being Educated on the subject. THATS the funny part.
@@restlessnative3818
Obviously.
I'm right and your ignorance was expected.
Educate yourself
@@reesecane7878 - LOL. Whatever makes you feel like less of a robot...
@@restlessnative3818
Your projection reveals your mindset, blind faith.
Your inability to evidence your claims was obvious.
You have my condolences.
Well done Christian brother, you spoke clearly and faithfully
How ?! Your God died make it make sense?! And why you always talk about Jesus and forget the father and the Holy Spirit?!?! Aren’t they Gods as well?!?!
@@jojoahmd123 your questions have been answered before Islam existed
He lies and you said well done. No wonder most of christian preacher lies.
@@SuapaSua almost an hour of this video has been cut out
@@derpsquad1o142
Still waiting for an answer
post the entire video you won’t
They did, just look it up. Its posted in 2 parts
They did, posted in 2 parts
hey u should try posting the whole video of your conversation instead of a short cut where you lecture points without giving the man a chance to speak or refute his side.
You should try watching videos in this channel where you will find whole videos and part videos before spouting nonsense.
@@SuapaSuaEither way this isn’t a full video.
@@holdenlewis2676 It means they're not particularly cut this conversation on purpose. Full video may come later.
@@SuapaSuaOh I understand what you mean now. Yea I’m just saying they should’ve just dropped the full video from the start, I would’ve loved to hear the entire discussion, not sure if I trust a short 12 minute clip
@@SuapaSuaJust kidding, he just posted part 1!
indonesian caption please
read john 10:30. you quoted it wrong.
If you would like to learn more about jesus go to my podcast - peaceing it back together
Jesus become God, Poul become prophet
How can god become god 😅😅😅
I have a strong feeling that some people who commented here did not even watch the video until the end. They read the video's title and made a comment based on their negative comment. 😂
There's no double standard in God "law's" and there's no "gentiles" in Islam. every body is equal..peace be upon you'll out there and assalamualaiqum wmt
In the Quaran and throughout all of Islamic history your faith has deprived equality to both women and infidels.
Islamic communities contain 'tsunamis of atheism' that are being suppressed, says leading ex-Muslim
Documentary exposes 'silent challenges' facing those who abandon their Muslim faith
May Bulman
Tuesday 04 October 2016 19:55 BST
😂 i dont understand how people choose Jesus over God like that makes no sense. I don't even want to know how angry this would make jesus, and i cannot and will not even fathom the punishment that Allah will have for people who do this.
That s why ISA will come back to break the cross
If Islam is such a great religion
Why do they spent all their time
Attacking Christianity instead
Of preaching islam.
These people are insecure.
Attacking and explaining to non muslims the message of one true god is 2 different things.
@@Whitepillow
Show me in the Quran where jesus calls Allah the only true God
@@user-fg9nc6zg2z christians don’t believe in the Quran is a reliable source so that defeats the purpose. I can show you where it says in the bible.
John 17:3 states, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent”.
@Whitepillow
Good, you are right
@@user-fg9nc6zg2z As requested, verse from the Quran :
116 And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
117 I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things.
Surah Al Ma’idah verse 116 & 117
Desmond singh ,
Jesus is not god as he worshipped his God
Ha ha. He says Muslims are the ones misinterpreting what the Greek is. Rethink it, bro. Calm yourself. Clear your mind.
Christian brother is an actor
Lol Stop lying dawah bois, they picked up stones to stone Jesus for blasphemy when HE said He and the Father are One lol The law of Moses commanded death for the crime of Blasphemy and eventually the killed Jesus because He claimed to be God. There’s no escaping the truth!
Sure he denies the clear evidence but to be fair he was respectful which i like. To any hecklers/argumentative christians watching this let this man's behaviour be an example for you to LEARN from✌🏼
Your truth has no basis. Please go talk to Sam shamoun he will clearify your false knowledge. Christianity is the only true religion and reveals the true God.
Says the one who doesn’t even understand their own bible.
Jesus is not God. There is only one true God and that is Allah.
Sad..keep believing jesus is god = 1 way ticket to hell..
alan is drunk...😂