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Mr Hashim. I saw a video of your's in which you claimed that God doesn't need sacrifice to cleanse us from sin and that only through his mercy it could be done and that Christianity's emphasis on Jesus sacrifice to redeem us from sin is illogical and that's not how god's love works.
My question is, please, as an islamic dawah expert, explain what is the necessity for/motive behind God to promise Abraham that he'll send a sacrificial lamb not only for Abraham but also for the whole humanity if as you say that God doesn't need sacrifice to cleanse our sins?
@@allan_0307Abrahamâs sacrifice was not for sin atonement. Thereâs no human sacrifice advocated by the Old Testament as itâs the hallmark of pagans and Satanic cults.
Of course it was for atonement for sin in the first place. Because Abraham couldn't find a ram, he chose Isaac believing that God will bring him back. So the ritual as a whole was meant for atonement for sin so that God will bring them to the promised land and Abraham's test is a part of it. That's why God proceeded by promising Abraham "...a sacrifice to save humanity..." because the ritual was meant for atonement. We'll that's a different subject to debate about.
There's a difference between the human sacrifice done by pagans and the crucifixion of Jesus. In both issues, atonement is common but pagans sacrifice to please their gods but Jesus's crucifixion was for not to please the God. Therefore Jesus crucifixion cannot be paralleled with the human sacrifice of pagans. I'd like to suggest you change your position on this sir.
My question was to your claim that God doesn't need any sacrifice to redemption. Here God himself promises a sacrifice. So how can you say that he doesn't need one to save us?
@@allan_0307
Youâve not quoted any scripture and just made claims.
Where in the bible does it state that Abrahamâs sacrifice was for sin atonement?
@@DawahWise Then I'll also have to say that you're making things up about crucifixion of Jesus without quoting a verse from Qur'an that explicitly says God doesn't need a human sacrifice but I can show you from your book about how he did sacrifice a human.
Every atheist show himself he is intelligent but actually they r foolđ
Exactly they are just as emotional as the Christians. So they don't think logically because their emotions get in the way.
Every atheist "think" They're intelligent....
True, And their arguments are always nonsense
No way this guy answered " I don't know" when Hashim asked him "can a mother give birth to herself " đ€Š
Are you surprised? đ
Don't be surprised, there are many of them with different weird answers đ
If he answered like that to Ali Dawah or Mansour, im sure they will shake his hand and said nice to meet you.đ
THanks. thats all I needed to know LOL
Shamsi be like: Bye Bye, Take care of yourself.
His eye is not blind but his heart
Indeed itâs not the eyes that are blind but the heart is
If there is a tree behind you and i ask you if the tree is there:
Your answer i dont know will not change the fact that the *tree exists* ..
The answer I dont know does not change the fact that there is *AN ANSWER* .
Good point
Makes sense
Facts only exist when it is observed . Tree cannot exist without a conscious observer
â@@rishabhthakur8773so when we people cease to exist the world is also non existend?
Despite the world existing for longer than us?
@@eafesaf6934 the world is only depend on your existence. If you cease to exist the world will also cease to exist.
And time is illusion, similar to a dream you experience that the dream is always existed, but it is not.
it is just an ego response you will get when having a conversation with someone who claims to be an intellectual atheist.
The American was more concerned with winning an argument and not looking bad than learning from the discussion or debate. SMH
Falsehood have no chance against islam
I came and i found Hashim is talking to Macgyver...feel sorry for the guy but my prayers will be he finds his way back to Islam. Ameen Thummah Ammen
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This is so funny, suddenly the guy looks like richard dean anderson himself đ
Well this will be the first time mcgyver don't have an answer....
His arrogance wouldnât allow him to admit his defeat. Sad
this Paul guy is like: " I'm an athiest, so the burden of proof of anything is not on me !! " đđ€Šââ
Problem his heart. May Allah guide him
Mashallah well done Hashim, valid logical points. Next time you can also go over the fine tuning argument that a lot of the physical constants are fine tuned in such a precise way that led to life to exist. One leading to another, it's like opening multiple locks blindfolded.
It's much more probable to believe in a creator
I agree, but they will replay to this argument with the multi universe argument.(you should read about it to respond to them)
They will say all this fantasy thoughts except admitting there is a creator. It shows how Satan make people astray. May Allah keep us and guide us always to the straight bath till we meet him Amen
Not really because the multi verse argument argument still doesnt address the issues with the origin of the universe
It doesn't explain the machine or the thing creating the multiverse universes
@@momoscurry3398 they say there are infinite universe infinite big bangs happened .. and our universe is happened to be the fine tuning .. thatâs their argument itâs week and their main objective is to reject a creator
I would also reiterate strongly how quickly scientists are shifting theories rendering their "core beliefs" pretty unstable right now. Such as strong proposals of DOUBLING the currently held belief of the age of the Universe. from 13 billion to 26 billion is a HUGE disparity. And thats just one example -scientists just had a large astro-physicists event in which so many core beliefs were now being challenged on a multitude of levels. theres nothing inherently wrong with that as thats exactly what Science is supposed to do -but it also shows how limited and fragile our understanding is of Everything.
Intelligent design is the best argument. It doesn't have any good rebuttal at all.
One of the best Dawah ever. As a logical person, I loved it
MashaâAllah well done brother Hashim!
Paul is argumentative and thought himself clever, big fail.
Mashalah brother you educated him thank you
25:57 "Paul you wish you won that argument but you didn't" cracked me up ngl Hashim is too strong MashAllah
He is not going to come next timeđ .
no way bro thinks he can trap hasheem (theres no trap game here)
May Allah SWT rewards highly our brother Hashem and the others and grant them higher knowledge
Mashallah, beautiful, conversation, the brother just needed to be more honest that's All...may Allah increase your knowledge brother Hashim
A nice calm conversation no raised voices.
Best discussion i've seen so far...
Very good dawah ŰšŰ§Ű±Ù Ű§ÙÙÙ ÙÙÙ
Jazakallah khair brother Hashimđ©”
I've been so used to seeing debates against those who don't know Kalam cosmological arguments, such that to come across an agnostic who is familiar with it and proceeds to have an indepth back and forth drilling into it is quite refreshing.
This is also a good illustration on how to dismantle the "I don't know empirically, therefore you also don't know" rebuttal that they thought is a sign of intellectual humility on their part when in fact it is just a prematurely prejudicial projection of their ignorance onto others.
Sometimes I think it would be more fruitful to start discussions by establishing an agreement on the standards of epistemological evidence, because it seems to me a lot of atheistic/agnostic/antiislamic misconceptions stem from shaky epistemology (aside from intentional malice)
The fact that he is afraid to fall in a trap, it's a fact that he is "concious", yet he kept saying "probably" he is exist.
JazakAllah Hu Khairan Kasira
Love brother hasim cause of him I learned alot.
Wow, brilliant brother
great debate, i always learn something from Hashim point of view.
When he said I don't know,Mr Hashim should have politely walked away.
MashaAllah Br. Hashim rocks
Looking at the background one sees so many pointers of the Entity that cannot be perceived by the human senses. I thank the Lord for the insight to see the pointers.
God sends "guidance"..peace be upon you'll out there and assalamualaiqum wmt
It's hard for Christians to debate on this level because they reduce god to a man, something from within the universe and physical world
The Creator is, ALL that is. There is nothing else to make anything from. The ALL is one and the ONE is all.
"make me believe"
Subhan Allah, this guy may speak politely but he's playing mental gymnastics and being willfully ignorant how can anyone answer "idk!" to "can a mother give birth to herself?" Bro this is not the movie Predestination with the days of future-past time paradox lol
This is pure SOPHISTRY, Mr. idk got it all figured out like "i already know your arguments -which i'll graciously concede to- to which i have ZERO logical answers but SURELY they must all be wrong because faith in scientism and my genius answer is an argument from ignorance that defeats any logical argument brought forth"
Say no to drugs
Nothing=absence of everything
Atheist, "I don't know" of the gaps.
Consciousness is an axiom
If he has kids and tells them to get a job and leave the house and they reply "I dont know if i will succeed so ill stay home" and if he says just try, u dont know if you will fail and if they were to reply "well if i fail then i would be in the same situation as now and have to stay here so i might as well stay home" would he acceot that? I doubt it.
I always notice hyper skeptical people never do truly practice their skepticism in real life
Traveling on a one track train. Destination: "Gotcha". The Engineer never arrived at the planned destination but was able to leave the station with all his baggage still unpacked.
Qurâan Surah Ar-Rum: verse 19-22
30:19 He brings forth the living from the dead and the dead from the living. And He gives life to the earth after its death. And so will you be brought forth Ëčfrom the graveËș.
30:20 One of His signs is that He created you from dust, then-behold!-you are human beings spreading over Ëčthe earthËș.
30:21 And one of His signs is that He created for you spouses from among yourselves so that you may find comfort in them. And He has placed between you compassion and mercy. Surely in this are signs for people who reflect.
30:22 And one of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your languages and colours. Surely in this are signs for those of ËčsoundËșknowledge.
Watching a debate between hashim an agnostic people makes me smile along the show. I wonder how these people are so ignorant..đ
Basically every atheist :
" I don't know but you're wrong!! "
Guys a waster... Feel sorry for his girl
Education system in America seems in a mess.
The best part is that Quran also talks about his behaviour and people like him that their hearts have become like stone đȘš and we can clearly see that in the video that he is intentionally trying to accept the All mighty All powerful
Anything that begins to exist must have a cause. Presumably that applies within our universe as it is based on observation of creations in our universe subject to the rules and laws that apply in our universe. Since our universe was not created within our universe, it's creation is not necessarily subject to the laws of our universe and require a cause.
I setup Traps but Iâm not sure about my consciousnessđ
Joke of the year!
Do you have consciousness?
Probably.
Hashim is an asset
The young brothers in the background look really intelligent.
Ot is a pity to see what liberalism, matterialism and se ularism has done to these young menđą
I dont know, the most honest position to take when the evidence to accept positive claims is lacking.
I thought that the Americans were more clever than this. By the look of it, this guy even hasn't had primary education
why paul kinda spittin tho
Ideas and beliefs from the middle ages com to Speaker Corner. đ€Ł
As-salamu alaykum
This is a pretty good debate on philosophy and science. No da'wah.
All civilizations since the beginning believed in a higher creator and studies show that we are born with an innate belief in a higher creator but apparently the burden on proof is on us and not the atheist đđ
He enjoyed the conversation? hopefully he reflects on it.
wow shame on him, just be sincere brooo
ĐĄ ŃĐ°ĐșŃĐ°ĐŒĐž ĐœĐ” ĐżĐŸŃĐżĐŸŃĐžŃŃ.đ
Mr.Paul should try and stay in US.
He is a time waster.
Again with i don't know therefore you can't possibly know
Indian here
Hashim is too knowledgeable that Paul can't keep up đ
This American is in the muddddd
I feel soooo bad for this geezer , he thinks that he got something đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Time to get married
Hahahhaa so he says i dont know to everything but cant stand to accept that he would rationally say i dont know to a test. He has to find a way out because he doesnt like how it feels.
That's so convoluted that he doesnt even stick to his own standard in the example.
Religion for narcissists who can't accept their mortality.
Does "greed" exist !!??
ego exists. greed and selflessness is part of ego. as demonstrated by agnostic. keeps on about science science science but when asked "does universe has a beginning?" answers "i don't know" (scientific consensus states big bang happened or at least universe came into existence 14 billion years ago approximately). just ego, that's all. proof is in the scientific pudding.
if you say I dont know, you get 0, if you answer wrong, you may get participation points đ
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know . Find the Ans first then argue
his reference is dam harris đ
known clown and affraid of debate
I dont know is a state of knowledge of a person in a matter.
Mr Hashim. I saw a video of your's in which you claimed that God doesn't need sacrifice to cleanse us from sin and that only through his mercy it could be done and that Christianity's emphasis on Jesus sacrifice to redeem us from sin is illogical and that's not how god's love works.
My question is, please, as an islamic dawah expert, explain what is the necessity for/motive behind God to promise Abraham that he'll send a sacrificial lamb not only for Abraham but also for the whole humanity if as you say that God doesn't need sacrifice to cleanse our sins?
God tested Abraham, asking him to sacrifice his only son. And Abraham passed the test. God is no Dracula asking for blood in order to forgive you.
@@carliemorales204 What test...please could you clarify?
@@allan_0307
Abraham was waiting for so many years for offspring, now when he had one, God asked Abraham to sacrifice him. That was the TEST. Did Abraham obey God, as a faithful servant, yes he did.
@@carliemorales204 Could you tell me what was the promised offspring for Abraham indicative of?
@@allan_0307
Are you okay with the explanation of the TEST?
Ethan never replies any question put by Hashim. I donât know, probably, are his best choices. Yet he assumes he has won the discussion. He wouldnât even listen to Hashimâs replies and questions.
Why Paul thinks he is super intelligent lol
Not sure why this guy taking this position. You mentioned he comes from LDS background⊠basically a Mormon, but he is not comfortable having a discussion as a Mormon. The question is Why?? Is he worried that his LDS beliefs get destroyed on camera by Hashim? Or perhaps he does no longer believe in the church and is leaning towards becoming an Atheist but doesnât want to come out of the closet on camera, and risk his family finding out. Very possibleâŠ..
Regardless I find it interesting that someone who comes from LDS background, and who is technically a Polytheists, takes the position of No God at all, while he was always taught in church there are multiple Gods⊠although Mormons claim they are Christians, they donât believe in Trinity and rather believe in God head concept instead, which is basically that there are three different & separate Gods but are one in đ» LOVE, but the father has the ultimate authority and power. I am still curious why he is afraid to adopt the Mormon beliefs during this discussion. Perhaps others can weigh in about his motivations.
Someone ask for evidence point to the quran also the quran say God will show them within themselves and around the universe until it clear that the quran is from the Lord
So yes science show these people till they it's clear for them
Also the best evidence is the written word
We use it in court and in every day life
This atheist tries to used âsmartâ way and failed. I never understood how people donât believe in the Creatorđą
Very simply. Just a question how many religions are in the world?
@@centrifuga8736 one! Believing in One God. Monotheism.
I asked about religions, not how many gods is?let's be clear. You can open a google and you can find out that is over 200 religions is in the world and each of them have a god or gods. And that you believe in one selected god does not mean that are not other religions whitch have their own gods and its own set of rules
@@centrifuga8736 you can open your mind and try to understand my answer.
đđ€ŁđMy mind is more open than yours. I gave you facts and you give me your beliefs. It is doesn't look very good. Imagine that a 1,70meter person is standing in front of you and says that he is the tallest person on earth, because that's what his mother, father and uncle told him because he was the tallest in his village. But despite the fact you see that you are taller than him, he still convinced and clams that he is the tallest person on earth. What would you think of such a person? Because in this conversation you are that 1,70meter person
one more thing i don't know why but i have an invisible respect for the last messenger of Allah â€â€
ANIMALS HAVE BRAINS TOO BUT THEY HAVE NO CONSCIOUSNESS
how do you know that?
You are a false observer.
Christianity because of Paul
atheist because of Christianity
Islam because of the truth.
Isn't ??
well intellectual christians often become hardcore atheists
@@cartiace6522 and most of them end up islam
@@jibriilmohamed6080 the ones who donât get traumatized by religion due to strict upbringing do explore and eventually become Muslims yes
He just wanna want the easy way ignorance
Why do you claim knowledge? Most people agree that consciousness is immaterial. Even scientist agree. Did you wear shoe when you sleep? If no, who wear it to your foot? Nothing? Or something? Did you eat donut yesterday? If yes, who make it? Nothing? Or something? Everything happened in this planet, galaxy, and universe have cause and yet somehow universe doesn't have a cause?
My brother Paul is a spider, who gets trapped in it's own Web
We don't say we KNOW there's a God because we just want to decide which answer is more appealing. We say we know because that's the only POSSIBLE answer. It's like saying "There's a freshly baked cake sitting at a house. 3 people could have made it - one person lives in a different country, one person is on the ISS for a few months now and the last person owns that house with the cake." If we ask who baked the cake, this guy will still say "I don't know", while there's only one logical answer here.
âI donât knowâ is the honest answer. To insist itâs not an answer is total bllx.
36:05
Brothers Hashim, May Allah have mercy on you, be very careful when speaking and be conscious not to say what contradicts the QurâĂąn and Sunnah - Allah says in the QurâĂąn, Ibrahim ŰčÙÙÙ Ű§ÙŰłÙŰ§Ù was a muslim, and was not of the mushrikeen. Meaning the faith or religion of Ibrahim ŰčÙÙÙ Ű§ÙŰłÙŰ§Ù was al-islĂąm - Christianity and Judaism are NOT âAbrahamic Faithsâ. And as it is revealed in the QurâĂąn that they are mushrikeen for many reasons, one of those being taking their Rabis and priests as gods besides Allah, which Rasoolullah ï·ș explained that they committed shirk in Obedience, by obeying their order against the order of Allah ÙŰȘŰčۧÙÙ. Also, the obvious fact that Christians attribute partners to Allah in many ways. So in shĂąâAllĂąh be conscious not to speak words of kufr, the only âAbrahamic faithâ is al-islĂąm and that is clear in the QurâĂąn and Sunnah. Barakallah feek
Ask âHow fast light travels?â to any atheist or agnostic, he will reply, correctly. Yet, he wouldnât have measured it by himself. Here, he is replying not based on subjective experience but based on other scientists who measured it and he read such results.
Here, this person is replying âI donât knowâ repeatedly quoting subjective experience, even though he could answer based on things he has read. Thatâs being dishonest.