Total Recall and Prosthetic Memory
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Re-uploaded this video because the reach of the previous upload got messed up by a copyright block. The old video is unlisted but if you need to see the old comments, you can see it here: • Total Recall and Prost...
I could have sworn I saw this already. But maybe that memory was not my own.
Nah, that's just a glitch in the Matrix.
This weird dream again, dejavu
Same, but maybe I was just high. Who can tell? 🤔
Mandela Effect
Could be prosthetic… OR… prophetic.
How can one claim that this is a serious exploration of the postmodern themes in Total Recall when the woman with three breasts isn’t discussed AT ALL?!
Thank you.
C'mon, man!
This guy totally put her prosthesis in his memory if you get what I'm saying ;)
😂😂😂
That would require a feminist reading of the movie lol "If you don't trust me you can tie me up!"
The poetry of a video on this topic getting algorithmically memory-holed and recreated.
The optimism theorists had for emerging technologies in the 1980-2000 period is lowkey refreshing but also makes me feel kind of sick in retrospect
We're all on the Fisher bed now
Alison was one of my professors when I was earning my PhD. I think I took a film and prosthetic memory class with her. Crazy to see her theory pop up in my feed.
Oh I'm very grateful for the reupload as the original never reached me! Really enjoyed this one, thank you.
Okay
Surprised that this video only talked about video games once (and it was just doom). Certain games force you into the shoes of that character, making decisions as them, in essence almost formulating that immersion as a sort of prosthetic memory in itself. Unfortunately this is usually hampered by mechanics such as a clearly indicated morality system, where the game judges your actions, functionally extracting yourself out of the equation rather than existing in said world as that character.
Now I have to decide if my memory of already watching this is real
I think this "benevolent" shaping of collective memories, that Landsberg envisions, would and in fact does include the "memory holing" of certains events and realities so as to aid in forming a worldview and an identity most beneficial to the class or group of people holding power and those weaving the memories. This can be used to stifle or to even possibly totally eliminate the possibility of revolt or change. I would also argue that comodifying culture by necessity includes bringing it down, transforming it to achieve the maximum and the widest appeal, because this leads to greater sales and revenue to the publisher.
Culture Industry
Only the actions it produces makes it benevolent. She certainly doesn't argue shaping memories is good in general, or even that most applications would be good.
I often see lefties bring up that the powerful have more power, therefore endorsements of this or that method of using power always serves them more. So don't endorse them neutrally. Ends justify means.
Disney and disneyfication.
A.I. agents soon will *simulate* your alternative futures and *threaten* you with them if you cross the invisible barriers. Scary ,
*Proceeding to erase my memories of the first time I watched it so I can enjoy it again*
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind can help!
This is meta, we have all been implanted with the fake memory of watching this video for the first time and only now is Jonas actually uploading it just to fuck with us and prove a point
Total Reupload
We can archive (your old video) for you wholesale
I offer these, my meagre words, to the glory of the algorithm; may they repay you in engagement for years to come.
Beautifully done ✔️ 👏
I could hardly love this video more.
Great video as always, i really enjoy your analysis. Could you, however, add your bibliography in the description ? I'm browsing your channel for references and it would really help me save time if you did so. Thank you -- and looking forward your next video !
I remember watching this while high.. what a trip!!
Really good pop to philosophy connection
This reminds me of "Rifters" by Peter Watts. The basic premise is that people are modified to live and work at the very bottom of the ocean. One of the characters has their memory altered to better suit the environment. Won't say how because spoilers, but it's messed up.
Wow I'm algorithmically engaging with this brand new content !
I don't see how a memory of watching a movie ISN"T a memory of lived experience, namely, one's experience of watching a film. One still can only view it from one's own perspective.
depends on your degree of immersion and empathy, it can be both also
He meant it in the sense that you are passively sitting down to experience the movie, not actively contributing to that experience. It wouldn't have to change the emotions you felt, just saying.
Watched this while I was high. Sent me down a wormhole of crazy thoughts.
I try to never think or read about philosophy when i'm high because it NEVER ends well.
I genuinely don't remember watching this, but I appear to have liked it already.
Copyright sucks and so does the fact you had to reupload this amazing video.
I find it interesting when people tie themselves (or their tongues) in knots attempting to pronounce one name, like an "authentically" French pronunciation of Baudrillard, yet happily resorting to a natural, English language pronunciation of Schwarzenegger, not feeling a need to give it a touch of Austrian inflection. 🤔
This memory implant theme (first encountered in the anime *Space Pirate Cobra* ) resembles a lot to *Time Travel Movies* .
Usually the protogonist follows a mysterious character who turns out to be himself that traveled through time. And the paradox is if he may kill himself in the past.
Similarly the protogonist may never be sure if his previous memories were erasen by his own will. And even may try to 'remember' or 'day-dream' memories as if time travelling. This time however it is quite easy to override his previous determination with He-Man attitude:
'I have the POWER' and no paradoxes whatsoever.
But still you may not kill yourself after time travelling and get away with it easily. Similarly God and Adam
(or say Mars owner and previous body-holder) may not be such easily discarded as in the movie.
"first encountered in the anime Space Pirate Cobra"
The short story that Total Recall is based on precedes the Cobra manga by some 12 years, and it probably wasn't the first story with implanted memories too
Saw it before the takedown so I'm just leaving a comment to say I enjoyed it very much and I hope it reaches many people 🙌✨
This is a great video I'll enjoy watching for the first time again :)
Thank you for your very informative videos. Happy to see tendies123 is still going strong as a patron. Yes, I‘ve been watching your videos for a long time haha😂
Ok that b+w film looks cool.
I don't remember the original upload, my fav Verhoeven movie
I'm gonna beleive that the reupload was a stylistic choice lol
Copyright taking down is stupid the OG video caused me to rent the film on Amazon prime and fork over money to mega corporation.
Stremio is your friend. Embrace torrents!
It motivated me to pirate it lol
Really great work once again
Sorry you had issues with the previous version of this. I hope the reupload has better reach. You did a great job on this.
You know the idea of prosthetic memories being used to teach empathy is what happened to me, but it was through, ironically enough, reading old books instead
Retro memories are truly weird
Niice
No one truly knows if the person in the photo is them. Used that to help people understand evolutionary biology
Hi Jonas, I recomend you to watch Amenabar's film "abre los ojos" wich explores this same philosophischen topics
Great video, really interesting topic
the popular view is that as soon as Doug is in the chair everything else is clearly a dream, everything points to it but officially it's up to the viewer and thus a question mark. but no technology can change a planet in seconds, end of that discussion, everything Doug asks for happens, everything he is warned about happens aka the scenario change. Melina is not real and he perceives her based on the computer screen image, the aliens on mars thing is part of the scenario too, which he first hears about from the technician while drifting off. clearly Doug was a down on his luck worker who went to Rekall and figuratively got a trip to mars. implanted memories like the Rekall scenario are still a decade at least away but will be common, however cybernetic/mechanical augmentation are becoming more commonplace and robotics globally are common worldwide.
There is no such thing as prosthetic memory, rather there is in theory now and possibly within a decade or such real implanted artificial memory engrams yes, but memories are not prothesis or prosthetics like modern mind controlled cybernetic arms and legs, since memories are not physical.
I hardly see how cultural appropriation and comodification could in any way be liberating or render culture universal.
Popular culture =/= Mass culture
The difference being?
But there _is_ one culture that would become universal: be born, work, consume, die. That doesn't matter whether you live in say, Norway or in Pakistan. Pretty much the while world has been conquered by capital nowdays.
The only good part about is more like a happy accident: that at least that defintely means the working-class is worldwide and thus will have similar experiences of alienation and decay. Arguably it could have happened even without that (iirc Marx in the years before his death for example was looking into the Russian Mirs and how the capitalist stage could be bypassed) but now there's no doubt about that, at least.
Love this channel
New upload! Yippie!
Yes yes yes
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Does anyone remember their thoughts before language acquisition started?
Not at all. Sounds cool though! What're your memories like? all of my early memories involve crying though, lol. And i have one of a speechless recurrent dream that just gives me the creeps.
How bout thr movie The trial
Again, a delight
How bout cronenberg's movies
I guess we've all been...recalled to view this video again.
Great work. I missed the first version. (I think.)
Total Recall includes hints (actually more than hints) that the entire experience really is the "Blue Skies on Mars" virtual vacation Quaid paid for. Never heard about the lobotomy twist.
It's the guerillas who put Quaid where he can take the final step to liberate Mars. Although he gets the privilege of doing it, he's clearly joined himself in their struggle at that point. So, for a commodity, it's a pretty subversive one and Landsberg's reading of TR is right IMO.
Is there any connection between prosthetic memories and learning?
Good question
Can you do a video on anti semitism??
I've actually been considering that lately!
1. The usage of empathy is IMHO not correct. Empathy is the capability of understanding someone else his fate and the projection it could happen to one self.
2. Going back in time, the question of authenticity and identity was not relevant. Until modernity people lived in collectives. They were important as a human and part of the collective to help with production of food and housing. Their life was important. The change became visible with the raise of the modern nation looking at the human as the abstract citizen, who was in a war expandable and was the foundation for income of the state by taxes. With the industrial revolution the human became the abstract worker, living behind the TV in the evening with a bottle of beer and wasting it's live at a workplace. The commodification develops at this point to it's fullest power. People are attempting to be someone, someone important for themself and for others. The migration from behind the TV to a scene of Friends is a consumer.
Authenticity and identity are are part of commodification. It was Marx who wrote when people losing all abstractions putted on them, they will be really free.
Good points. I thought there was something jarring with his definition of empathy.
Thank you
so is this the third reupload
as an amputee i know more than you
Pretty sure I was the one who uploaded this
If it's worth getting copywronged, it's probably worth re-watching. ;)
Knights of the Old Republic could've been mentioned in this vid RIP
rlygood video
How bout hans george moller channnel?
Video game SOMA
what happened? i watched the first upload like 4 times
Had to re-upload because the first upload being copyright-blocked at first completely ruined its reach
@@jonasceikaCCK What was different about it that made it infringe copyright?
Nothing, the copyright-block was because of the Total Recall footage, but this time I filed a dispute claim and waited for it to be approved before publishing the video
I need ya to talk about The Big O ;)
"People ar not ruled by their memories!"
Keeping on Landsberg's interpretation my own lecture about Total Recall would be more on the existentialist side, even sartrean
The displacement of Hauser's original personality by the better performance of Quaid 's prosthetic memory( & personality) would qualify as full prosthetic authenticity , analogous let say to Daniel Gilbert 's "Fake happiness"
In Kuato's most aristotelian words, you aré defined by your own actions.
I’d like to view a commentary from mr Jonas čeika. On Darth Dawkins as a postmodern review or censure. This’ll be a mirthy unity by the fusion consisting in happiness and reason.
Prostatic memory?
Is this the point where I mention that I did work at Recall for a couple of months?
It's a company that did OCR work for government institutions here in Sweden at the time...
Probably the most boring work I ever had.
I used to sing the jingle, "for the memories of a lifetime, Rekall, Rekall Rekaaaaall"... Noone knew what I was on about.
bump
Oh, and I'm in a fourth camp about what happened in Total Recall. In my head canon. Quaid simply wakes up from the memory implant device, goes home to his oblivious wife. He proceeds to break down mentally as he has tasted action and adventure but can never return to it. Succumbing to depression and ptsd, his wife leaves him. He gets drunk, dreaming back to the fiction of the Mars adventure and gets pulled into organized criminality. But as the muscle memory he has was based on made up circumstances, he gets himself killed in his first real world confrontation. As he lies there. Bleeding out from the gut in a smelly alleyway. He sees a last vision of the dream woman.
Nice
Blood for the blood god.
Pay no attention to this comment, it is written with the solely purpose of simulating engagement so your content is promoted by the platform.
Culture is most valuable commodity of human civilisation
Is memory as a choice driven by capitalism really better than memory as belief or duty driven by nationalism?
The ideas presented in this video kill both human evolutionary drives, and the adventure, the experience of being human. Dehumanizing what little we have left.
Commodification of human memory would lead to the most sterile, useless, weak and pathetic humans in history. People who never leave their homes, never climb a mountain or visit a pyramid; just lazy, boring and cowardly men and women who find lights refracted through glass to be their whole world.
Just wait and watch. This is exactly what will happen eventually. The ultimate commodification of memories and the brain.
Synthetic engagement
There is an obvious dichotomy between map and territory. The modernist would say that the map doesn't include all of the territory. The postmodernist, on the other hand, would say that the territory cannot exist outside of the map.
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This time I don't have wait to see how you, or rather mrs Lindsberg, butchered Total Recall
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Ive seen this movie recently for the first time. It was fun but cheap looking
Funnily enough, it was one of the most expensive movies made in 1990