Forrest Fenn: Unedited New Mexico True Stories Interview
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- This interview was conducted for the New Mexico Tourism Department's "New Mexico True Stories" series of videos. The ad made with this footage was released in 2015 and can be seen here: • The Searchers-New Mexi...
I was interested to see the raw footage from this interview because of Forrest's comment about "saying too much." (You can see that here in its original context at 43:08.)
As the Tourism Department is a state agency, I wondered if it would be subject to a public-records law. It turns out there is one: the Inspection of Public Records Act of New Mexico. This law says that not only are state agencies subject to the law, but materials made by others doing work for a state agency are subject to it as well.
My first attempt to get a copy of this interview was denied in November of 2018 by the governor's press secretary (of all people). She said the department did not have the footage.
I tried again with the director of the video. He did have a copy, and the Tourism Department facilitated my request in February of 2019 by sending me a DVD of the raw footage of the interview from a single camera. The DVD did not have any of the other footage used in the commercial.
As per the Act, this video is a public document, and I am sharing it in its full, raw form. There are no edits by me. I do not know why the crew seem to misnumber the takes in the video.
When I received it, I emailed Forrest to ask if I could post it online, and he initially said yes but changed his mind when I mentioned he said in the video that "the treasure is not buried where you're going to find it." Now that I've found the treasure, the buried vs. non-buried point is moot.
This is my favorite interview of Forrest. He's in rare form here, and I always chuckle at 29:25. I'm sharing this not because I think there are any hints or important slip-ups here (I don't), but because I think other searchers who miss Forrest will enjoy seeing it.
For the credits for this video, please see the description here: • The Searchers-New Mexi...
RIP Forrest Fenn 1930-2020
You can't watch this and help but love this intelligent, kind, honorable man. RIP dear friend.
He was a con artist. A criminal.
I miss him so much. I have faith in you jack that you will do him and his legend justice. Can’t wait to hear the last autobiography!
Jack is a fake. He doesn’t even know the solve.
Miss hearing Forrest tell stories.Treasures are not always found at the destination,many times they are found during the journey.Thank you Forrest for years of found treasures that were not gold!
U turn makes A new turn!
Beautifully written Frank. I feel he was the treasure❣️
I feel like, with the passing of people like Mr. Fenn, we are losing our real treasures. I could have sat and talked with him for ages. Thank you for sharing.
He was a con artist and thief. He's a "treasure" because he gave you the chance of getting rich.
For me the chase research was the treasure. The search was nothing more than an adventure. Being friended by Forrest was the thrill.
I suppose yes, it was an adventure in "learning", albeit it was done at my computer, sitting here at home....
I have never searched for this treasure, but I really fell in love with his stories. I think he reminds me of my dad. So happy for you for finding the treasure! You are so lucky to have got to hear some of his stories that nobody else has. That is the true treasure ❤️
Jack I hope one day you are able to put out the solve. 😁
He was a con artist. Jack has already said that he doesn’t know the solve
Thanks for giving us a little more Forrest! Miss him dearly.
For me, Forrest was the true treasure, money and things come and go, only one Forrest. I am saddened because I never got to meet him. Thanks for sharing this video Jack, thought I had seen all the videos, but had not seen this one.
Thank You for posting this! I love listening to Forrest. And also the pictures seeing Forrest so happy.
Forrest Fenn never lied to us, he was a man who never stopped trying to be a better. He seen his past mistakes and found that his fellow man was the reason to live.That family was the true gold in this world.
Dam Jack... Bringing a man to happy tears this morning eh? Thanks brother. This video is very special to a lot of us. Thank you for sharing.
Larry
R.I.P FORREST & PEGGY FENN 💕🇺🇲
Man I miss him, I got to talk to him once on the phone😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I LOVE YOU FORREST FENN GOD REST YOUR SOUL.
~WORLDFAMOUSGAMER
The bummer for searchers is not knowing what the solve is, it is everything, even more valuable than the treasure. The treasure was the solve.
Sounds to me like if you try messing with it you’ll get sued.
@@raygun9976 He'd never know where to serve me with a suit.
@digitaltreasuremaps agree
Thanks Jack for adding that Forrest interview since I never saw it before. I started my search for the FF treasure the same year you did and got to see a lot of VERY COOL places but I was in the wrong state (New Mexico). I did find a lot of cool things too on my hunts out in the wilds and did one video about the FF treasure hunt and showed what I found just after you announced the find though nothing impressive like your find !!! I hope you the best.....Eric
Eagle Eric...I too have followed the search for quite a few years, and never saw this interview before...
You said that you also did one video? That's awesome, I'd love to see it because I was also thinking New Mexico was the state...Do you have a link?
dude is enjoying telling his stories, interviewers interrupting him / rushing him to ask about the treasure. good stories
Yup, this interview appears to be against fenns will. He's holding back tears from the beginning. Body language tells its own story and it's not the story "jack's" attempting to present.
With TTOTC it dint take long to narrow down our search grid to a rock on the Madison river in just a few months around may 2019 and shared our findings and reasoning on CZcams, shortly there after. Well done especially if you viewed and used other people’s perspective to hone yours.
thank you Jack! So glad that you came out todAY! Hope to see you around the ranch in Wilson some day:)
Mr. Fenn is correct. If you grew up in the "countryside", outside of modern day suburbia, then you knew a life that was completely different, a life primarily in tune with nature/animals.
I am now 65 years old, and I was one of the highschool kids who had to take "the bus" to school. We were definitely NOT the cool kids. No football games for us, cus we had to "take the bus"...back home to the countryside.
As a kid, it was pretty magical for me, all I ever did was hang out, "outside", exploring the woods, skating in MY own pond in the "woods", eating my peanut butter sandwiches under a tree somewhere....Walking our PATH to the barn... we had two of them...
Going through the forest every day, tapping the maple trees, naming the baby calfs that had been born...
I can see that this is a positive "secondary" effect of this treasure hunt. On the other hand though, this treasure hunt has "ended", Mr. Fenn has passed away, and there seems to be a lot of questions as to the authenticity of it all....
I find this to be unfortunate, and disappointing. Surely the searchers would like to know how the poem was deciphered? Why not release the location?
L. Ryan, I completely agree with you. I think the 'bad apples' out there and those with sour grape attitudes because they weren't the ones to find the treasure are the minority. For all those of you who did seek it and didn't find it, but perhaps found something more important in the searching as well as making happy memories that would be treasured for a lifetime, I think Jack should lay it out and tell the story of where and how the treasure was found. I think it would mean so much to those who tried to hear the story. I also don't think Mr. Fenn would object to that. He seemed to want to share the special places in this country with all.
I think he should put something nobody would want to take there, simply to let people know they found the spot. Then drop an additional hint and what the object is, so people can still have fun.
Read the Description before commenting. I seen a bunch of comments that could be answered just by simply reading the description.
Dear Jack, i am the true solver.
Do you have enough respect for Forrest to accept this?
You of all people should appreciate the true solution to the Forrest treasure hunt.🐟🃏🐟🃏
If you're the true silver, how come Jack has the treasure chest and you don't 😂
@@JenJaquith3750 Well we all know the answer to that.
Ya see, solving the poem the way Forrest intended and being the Patsy in a staged " insitu" finding like Jack are two totally different things.
And the solve was derived after the chest was tripped over by Jack🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Quit being petty and try appreciating what Forrest did.
🍻
And who are you? Lol.
Congratulations, Jack! You didn't give up searching, and it paid off. Good luck in the future!
@ Great U.S. Treasure Hunt it paid off for him. Just not how you think
September 7 always remember never forget.
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Congratulations! You did it!! Intrigued. So many questions. Can’t wait to see how this all plays out. Thank you for sharing. Miss his voice.
I only found out about the treasure three days ago (Amazon movie). As far as I'm concerned, he is the treasure. Thank you for posting this.
Chase is still on to figure out the 'spot' for many.
I obtained this footage during my quest too (great minds), yes, the reason for saying he said a little too much was rather frustrating...
Dave, did you find any additional video from other sources?
@@bavetta No, sorry Ryan, I didn't.
Thank you for sharing this. Forrest meant so much to us. And Congratulations my man!
Jack Stuef or High jack or whatever I would like your opinion about some things!
This video was uploaded on CZcams the same very day jack said he found the chest to outside magazine, yet fenns says in this video it hasnt been found and people try to bait him, and details all the jewels of missing
Favs:
Min 36:50 i was born looking out a window 🤔
Min 39:45 treasure's not be buried where you're going to find it.
Min 40:55 there are no clues in the book. Hints in the book, they won't take you to the treasure, they will help you unlock the clues.
Min 41:15 look at the pictures & drawings they may help you if your mojo is working.
Inside his memoir, you will find a 24-line poem that includes nine clues, which, Fenn writes, “if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure….” Other clues can be found in the memoir’s TEXT, he says. (This is from True West Magazine, Nov. 2013) Very good article!!!
I like how he starts out with how he won the bracelet from Byron!
Did you notice, this video is not uploaded by jack as this video was recorded in 2015, he said he didn't even know of Fenn then, Fenn says he was lured to Bandalier, this person loaded this video for the fact that f said people claim to have it and they don't and f puts them on that list, why would Jack logically load this video about himself others then a threatening may a payment was in need
F makes a deliberate to itemize the jewels of beautiful, as none of said did Jack find, yet this is said to be Jacks page
One of the guys sounds spot on of Ben
Jack, amazing interview, I agree - probably the best. Thank you for sharing.
thanks for closure...I sat, and worked around, that X inscribed rock for so long. Glad for me its finally over and I can go on with my life. I understand wanting to keep the location silent. Eric's bell tolls for all of us.
Are you the cruel searcher?
I don't understand wanting to keep the location silent, speaking for myself that is. Doesn't make any sense to me at all, and I sure don't feel any "closure". In fact, it feels like there was some kind of misrepresentation here, purchasers of the book were expecting they would eventually learn what the solve is. Some searchers spent YEARS researching...Nope.. No closure at all, and it's not right imo.
Good memories... Thanks
Couldn't help but feel like this entire interview was just an attempt to catch an old man off guard and get him to slip up.
It’s either that or it feels like the whole interview was a set…movie set…to set the scene for Jack’s finding…..why mention ziplog bags….(ironic pictures show ziploc bags) I like the fact he said “a part of me wants someone to find it…part of me don’t” hint…2 treasures! The one found is definitely not the one that’s showcased as the one! Did you gasp when you saw the pictures? I didn’t! Knowing fenn…he’s not lieing….his real chest is probably friggin treasure chest!!
"the treasures not buried where you're going to find it" f.
That is not a hint, he just meant you are not going to find it stumbling across it because he hid it very well in a spot that people normally wouldn't go.
Oh it was buried. Right Jack?
@@chayankhoidream yes,it was buried.
@@ralphtaylor787 no it was never burried "Rralph"
@@Ag3nt_X it most certainly was. I have pictures.
The time is drawing nigh for all of us. Perfect
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WOW, Congrats Jack!! I'm so excited to watch and hear more, THANK YOU 😇
PS-IF we can help with the doltish lawsuits, let us know? MANY of us would be willing to help shut them down for you and the family!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Forrest is the Best!❤❤❤
I dont think its been found, because the " finder" says i dont want the location to become a tourist attraction " but forest finn purpose was EXACTLY to get people out there to see nature ..so i think its bs i think its only been said itsfoind cause ppl were dying and the police told finn to call it off..
Maybe he retrieved it , after that
Congrats! Were there any similar materials that aren't readily accessible that you encountered?
What a fishing exposition! Those questions were very well thought out. Everyone should have paid more attention to these. 😉
Jack, congrats on the find. You are inspiration for us all in the search community. I wish you the best of luck as you navigate your new life in the spotlight.
@Larry Kingsley , Please get a life; unless, of course, you are content with being the poster child for the disgruntled, bitter and disillusioned. You were predicted to appear after the chest was found and sure enough, here you are!
@Larry Kingsley Jack did not steal a solve! Game Over!
@Larry Kingsley well i do hope he provides us with the answers to a couple clues or what the Blaze was.
I know why you're not selling it. It contains FAKE gold in the chest and you can't sell it if you can't declare what it is.
Jack why post this after the find?
Thank you for the video, Jack. I wish I had been able to talk to him in person. He was an adventurous soul who lived his life in full measure. Blessed with so many gifts, yet seemed so down to earth. He was a very wise man.
In my book Forrest Fenn accomplished exactly what he wanted to. My family has had a ton of adventures that we would’ve never, ever, done if not for him. It brought us closer in ways that are indescribable.
I was very lucky to have corresponded with him quite a bit, I miss that rascal!
“The treasures not buried where you’re gonna find it”
Haha exactly!
Aka....it was not buried people🤯
Cuz he set it on the ground and walked off. He never buried it.
It's got to be more than that. Why would Fenn not want this out in Public. He already told people it's not buried, that he hid it. This could imply the natural treasure in the area is not buried or that there is a treasure that is buried, just not at the location of the treasure chest. Maybe more metaphorically, like self belief is buried within all of us. IDK..just talkin out my arse now.
@@brigginspa for one, because it was in a nook. Two, maybe a dead giveaway for NP land. Three... Maybe it's put at the edge of an incline.
Hello Jack can you point us to the edited version I can’t find it was it thrill of the treasure or perhaps dals?
Your contract has 5 more years.
This interview appears to be against fenns will. He's holding back tears from the beginning. Body language tells its own story and it's not the story "jack's" attempting to present.
God Bless F for not walking down the center line. Every time I listen to him I come up with new thoughts and ideas. I think finding a 🛎 is important for getting some answers. You found the treasure chest and now I need to find a bell.. I can think of one possible place.. or being like Forrest we probably need to collect all of them anyways 🤦♂️ 🤣
he wanted 2 die on a mountian along a stream thats 1 of his trip ups ?
Hey Jack: Lt. Col Jack Modica was the 1500th person rescued in Vietnam on July 1st, 1968, by Coast Guard Captain Lance Eagan.
This publisher is not Jack if f is telling all this person lured him out to bandilier and this is recorded in 2015
Thanks for this. It is... good. It showed Forrest Fenn rationale and some diversion. It helps to see keywords. In the end on the cut version he said he probably said too much. I think he said much more than he realized.
Right on man! It’s good to here his voice again. Congrats on beating me to it!
Forest finn town in Texas was not far from where I grew up , the town I grew up, " Proctor" was sheriff
Mr Forrest Fenns special place it would teach us about ourselves and your part of the story in a narcissistic way
In this video Forrest said he hid the treasure first then he wrote the poem. He said the poem was the vehicle to find the treasure. But in other videos Forrest says he architected the poem over 15 yeara. Which is it?
Congratulations and thank you for sharing! It means a lot to all of us.
Aww, I miss Forrest the old rascal! What an amazing adventure his life was. May you carry that torch and bring it's light to all Jack!
I went to look in August, 2017 in the Rocky Mountains, in Wyoming. A painting in the Smithsonian by an artist named Grafton Brown led me to believe I might know where the treasure might be, since Forrest loved art and he mentioned the Smithsonian in one of his interviews. This painting was of the upper falls in Yellowstone. I went looking but the Trail (Uncle Tom's Trail) I wanted to go along was closed. My foot was also hurt at the time and I could barely walk so going down a closed trail with wild animals was not in my best interest. I always wondered if I was in the ballpark of the treasure.
This is amazing
A special place it will teach us about ourselves
When was this made before or after the find ?? Is this your interview or copied from someone else I haven’t seen it before. Congratulations bye the way!
Made in late 2014 or early 2015, released 2015.
Congratulations to say the least!I have so many questions…
If Forrest Fenn aided you to the treasure, it means the two of you cheated.
It’s not buried where you’re going to find it. This phrase bugs me, it almost sounds like you are going to find it before you recover it from the spot in which it’s buried. Then I think about the photo of it where it was found and I’d argue that it was somewhat buried. This makes me think that when you at the blaze you will see something that identifies the spot found in the marvel gaze. He also mentions sage brush which I find interesting. He didn’t go way up a mountain. It was recovered in early June and the area wasn’t covered with snow so that seems to add up. I’m dying to know what that last thing was that took you to the exact spot.
F. Never met Jack as said to end the treasure, Jack created this prior to his endind!!
I’ll never forget how nervous I was the first time I sent Forrest an email. I was literally on the fence. It must have taken lots of guts to find!
Forrest words are so rehearsed. ( He basically says the same words over and over again.)
Did you find any hints in TTOC ...if so could you name the chapter ?
The chapter where he talks about his past.
@@tomszabo7350 thanks that was helpful
Question please, when was this interview recorded?
Jack conducted the interview few years ago.
Make no mistake...that interviewer is Jack.
Sounds like him…
Thanks for this video, I have never seen it before. I don't know how old Forrest was at the time this video was made but he was pretty sharp! The interviewer tried many times to bait him and each time Forrest would dodge and not give him the satisfaction of a straight answer. He was not going to let the interviewer get the best of him! I think it would have been a thrill to meet Forrest - his stories are fascinating. I love how he laughs at his own stories - he was the lead character in his own play, that's for sure! He will be missed. Congrats to you & best wishes.
I can't say I blame you for not saying anything, it's like money in the bank. Also I've noticed how many obsessed ppl there is still about the solve, not even the money, that is crazy how ppl can get so obsessed that they convince themselves in delusions. I would be interested in finding out how you felt when you first realized you probably had a detector heard or saw that beep, and then before you opened it the excitement of looking upon all this gold. Them after you picked up the peices. Revealing the solve will make sense as your older, but I doubt ppl will ruin the site, I think that is not the point, but getting ppl out in the woods is more Forrest Fenn ish than keeping it hidden, but only my two cents. Enjoy your money you earned it
I love the Quote ff made
When I do things with out thinking
It gives me time to think 🤔
How cool is that ?
Just because Jack posted this a year ago the interview was done way before that. So FF said didn't know Jack but that's a huge lie. Why would you say didn't know him but did interview with Jack prior to your book release TTOTC. But yet you want everyone to believe Jack a medical student you didn't know that stumbled and found your chest. This is so fraudulent and sad all the people who died. The truth should come out the Fenn family should make this right Jack was not the true finder. Sad this treasure has made people insane. People have lost loved ones because of your fraud sad I would hate to be in your shoes when you go to meet your maker.
the crazy conspiracies like this, just make the story better. you have no proof that Jack is the interviewer, but you assert it as fact. I love it.
Well, done, Jack. Congratulations on getting it right.
Congrats, so happy for you and sorry for the handful of bad apples that gives reasons. Still was hoping to see you have an episode on the discovery channel
Mr. Forrest Fenns special place it will teach us about ourselves
Jack,
Nice video. You’ve mentioned before you got a couple clues from some of his interviews. I can only assume that one of them has to be in this video because why post it otherwise.
I likely spent 50 hours of my life on the treasure hunt. My best guess solve wasn’t in Wyoming so I’m pretty grateful for that.
I’d love to sit and talk with you for an hour or so.
My one suggestion would be to return to where you found the treasure and leave a small plaque, that way should someone find the right spot they’ll know it.
he wont because Forrest is buried the illegally
@@guitarlearningtoplay ok then just put the plaque there illegally. who would know
If Jack ever tells the truth I will buy him a sandwich.
Congrats. You deserve it. We all put in so many years of our life into this. Most of us will not have closure until we read your book of explaining the clues hopefully. Stuff like what did riches new and old mean? Was this a spot that Forrest found some older treasure? Especially home of Brown and what was his blaze. Even if the exact location is not revealed, we could have a few more answers. Congrats again.
KD
Jack told Daniel B that the blaze was not around anymore, so it was part of nature and either got destroy over time, through a storm/forrest fire or just the plants died that made up the blaze..
Hint of riches new & old = new Mexico
Home of brown = Eagle Nest Lake
Along No. Kiowa rd (no paddle) in Questa NM there is a natural and manmade blaze up on the hill. And there is a creek running along No. Kiowa rd..
Not too far, but too far to walk from Sante Fe.
I solved it August 11, 2019
@@TheRealGrinch313 Did you go BOTG to check it out?
@@kidd8200
BOTG???
@@kidd8200
By the gallery?
Man I hope his family decides to publish some of that unfinished work in his computer! Congrats Jack.
I wish we all got to see this when the Chase was going on.... Not so fair...
Great interview…
And I know you didn't use all the clues in the poem. That must trouble you. I also know you know your story is bigger then the contents.
---The Dirrector really pushed him .
Congratulations to the finder. I hope the place will be revealed someday. Rest In Peace Forrest and Peggy Fenn.
'the treasure is not buried where you're going to find it'... Is he saying it can't be found!?
Fair play Jack, Well done 👏👏
Listen theres 2 different sorys in different jars.
Hey, Jack! Are you still following the narrative that is being played out?
I never did get to go where I thought it might have been. Always like the Nez Perce trail looked nice. Maybe try some porcupine 😊 if you know what I mean
Jack did you use amobarbital on Forrest while interviewing him some how you found a short cut because you don't seem to know how you found the treasure where you say you did 6 feet away and didn't know where to look you must of just happened upon it because you don't know what Forrest has really done to give one confidence.
The interview is by a film crew for the New Mexico Tourism Board, not Jack. He used an FOIA request to obtain the raw footage because in the final cut Forrest stated that he said something that he shouldn't have said. Since there wasn't anything in the edited version like that, Jack thought maybe the unedited video might have something. There were only two spots that could be potential slip-ups: the first is when Forrest says that he hid the treasure before he knew what he was going to do with it. I'm having a hard time understanding this, he definitely didn't mean to say it that way. I think he meant that he hid the chest some time before he had actually made a final decision to release TTOTC. Perhaps this points to 2009 vs 2010. The second mistake or slip-up could be more serious. He states that he hid the chest in a dear place but he didn't want to talk more about it because that would give a "timeline" which would be a hint. Logical deduction is the dear place is one that he was associated with during a specific period in his life vs. a place where he lived (or alternatively wasn't known to spend any time). I believe this is a slip-up that allowed Jack to confidently eliminate both New Mexico (Forrest lived there since 1970 so a specific timeline wouldn't probably constitute a clue) and Colorado (because there is no publicly-available tjmeline of him being in that state). Not everything has to be positive confirmation, a hint that eliminates half the states was pretty huge before we all knew the chest was in Wyoming.
I don't know what "amobarbital is"...but I do agree that it doesn't appear that the clues were followed precisely, and that the steps taken to the chest weren't made in confidence... Isn't that what Forrest said? Follow the clues in the poem precisely, and you will move with confidence?
@@tomszabo7350 the interviewer is 100% Jack.
Amazing how many "searchers" missed that.
Even the credits in the original edited video make no mention of the interviewer...Its Jack.
@@lednuge 100% not Jack. He did an FOIA request because he didn't know what Forrest said in the raw unedited interview. Obviously if he was the one doing the interview that would not have been necessary at all.
I remember watching this video with intent! Congratulations!!!! So happy for you and RIP Peggy and Forrest.
And regards to the Fenn Family!
Lovely man.
Inexperienced and awkward interviewer. Wish Streuf could have interviewed him!
Hey Jack: Wasn’t Ora Mae considered to be one of the greatest African American female athletes in basketball and tennis? Even the white female champions refused to play against her.
Hey Jack: Wasn’t Frank Robinson the first African American baseball manager in the major leagues?
Does the number 4113 mean anything to you Jack?
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