Honda HRN 216 vs Toro Recycler 22 Lawn Mower Smartstow HRN216VKA Comparison
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- čas přidán 23. 11. 2020
- This was a decision to replace my Honda with the Toro. I do like the Honda but there are some things that were driving me nuts. I am super happy with the Toro and I will be keeping it. Maybe if Honda redesigns it in the future I will buy one. If they would allow vertical storage and redo the bagging area setup I would consider it again. Here are the links below to help out the affiliate channel. Also use ethanol free gas is a must to prolong your lawn equipment also link below you can purchase online and pickup at your near by store. Thank you
Honda HRN 216 is not beign sold at Homedepot or Lowes at this time..
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This link if for the new model that replaced the one on the video. This new model does not have the Smartstow to put vertical but does have the 163cc motor. I purchased and didn't notice so I returned it. The 150cc motor does come with the Smartstow setup model (21465) not sure why they did this since the one that I currently have does come with the Smartstow and the 163cc motor. Really Toro.
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Great Review; I narrowed the width of the Honda by cutting out 2 short sections on the top, added some industrial padding on the bends and glued some heavy duty shade cloth on the catcher to stop the dust. Does the job well with the mods which I need to do in order for it to work for me. I also brush the base when dry and spray it every now and then to reduce the risk of rust.
Thanks that is a good mod. I love the drive lever on the Honda and the cut quality. Oh and the mulch lever I dont like to add a mulch plug. I have been contemplating to buy the Honda again and adding a B&S 163cc engine so I can store on the corner. I think that would be a perfect setup and your idea of the mods. I ended up add a piece of foam to the Honda cover so it wont send the dust into my face and worked well.
Got the honda. Hope it last for years to come. Cuts good. I like the speed it will fly.
Great review vs. each other. I wish we can combine them to make a perfect mower.
Super review of these mowers!! Thank you
Very nice thorough review, lots of details
Thank you for the review great information.
Great comparison thank you for your opinion.
Spray the rust spot with Rustoleum Acid Etch automotive primer occasionally . Solved.
Thank you great idea..
Thanks for the very detailed review.. it was helpful.
You are welcome.
Based on experiences with Toro mowers by myself, a favorite nephew's and a best friend, they'll never get another penny of my money.
Please elaborate. Honestly.
Just bought a super recycler and my dealer has my back 100% (good lord willing I'll never need him).
Appreciate it!
@@jessemccarthy05 Simply stated, they all stopped operating properly during their first season of use. Different reasons, mine was carburetor. Not sure on Don's or Joe's. Never had a Craftsman or MTD stop operating during first season in my lifetime.
@@rkba4923 Appreciate the response my friend. I just sold my Craftsman with the 190cc Briggs motor for $100 this morning, and have the Toro Super Recycler with the Honda 160 slated to deliver on Monday. Selfishly, hope I dont have the same problems. My Craftsman started the first pull everytime across 8 seasons, great mower just wanted an upgrade 🤞🤞
@@jessemccarthy05 I wish you good luck. Our Toros have B&S engines??? Maybe the Honda engine will make a difference. ??
@@rkba4923 Did they atleast do the right thing and get you taken care of?
Great comparison love both but I think the Toro for me
Awesome comparison thanks
Great video comparison. Thanks
You are welcome
Great video its a tough decision to make. I am looking to go back to gas the battery thing is not working out for me. Thank you
Great Review!!! I agree with you on the vibration of the Honda. Mine was pretty bad that I ended up taking it back. I felt that when you rolled over any uneven surface that mower felt like it was hopping all the place too. I don't know if I will buy a HRX or a Toro. The HRX is almost $300 more then the high rear wheel Toro I want. Thanks again for the review.
You are welcome. Let me know how it goes. I was going to get the one with the aluminum frame, the commercial one but wasnt sure about the drive system so I didnt want to spend the high amount before trying it out. I am very happy with the Toro. The only thing I do like the drive system a little better on the Honda that has the handle. Thank you
I have a Honda hrx. It is a beast. It will cut through over grown jungles and not bog down . The 200cc engine is a beast and leaves a nice cut👍
Great review thanks
Agreed, The bagging system on the honda's drive me crazy too!
Dude, this is probably the BEST comparison video I've seen. You don't just compare "cosmetics" which is worthless when making a decision. You show actual real world testament of the usage between the two. THANK YOU!!
Hard decision to make thank you for the review
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I have always had good service out of all the Toro mowers that I have owned , usually the self propel unit goes out after a few years, but the parts are easy to get and relatively cheap and not too difficult for a average skill home owner to do the repair , even when the drive unit goes out the motors have always started every time and never had any carb problems, I'm sure the Honda is better, but I can always find people selling a almost new Toro mower on Craigs list or other sites for about half their retail price all day, but rarely see similar Honda mowers at bargain prices or if people are selling one, asking too much for it
hello Honda units are expensive and they are good mowers but have no way of storing them vertical so I sold mine. Also bagging system is anoying and drove me nuts. I did own 3 Hondas now I love the Toro but do miss the self propelled better than the personal pace setup from Toro. Toro does turn on with the first pull every time. I just purchased the new version with the vortex setup but the 163cc engine doesnt come with the vertical storage setup but the smaller 150cc version does so I am reviewing this one and will post soon and will determine if to keep or send back. Also trying out Dewalt batter blower. Stay tuned thank you
Spraying a not-too-thick coat of "Fluid Film" under the deck helps for rust prevention and keeping grass from sticking. Any lanolin-based spray will do, and they are generally available at any auto parts store and Wally-World, too (sometimes). Dust will stick to it but that ends up actually being a good thing, keeping water from getting through to the metal and grass from sticking at all.
That looks good I have never seen that spray. thanks
Best comparison to date.
Thank you
This is a GREAT video. I do have a request - if you ever got around to putting decals on, could you show them to us and perhaps tell/show us how you made the decals or where you ordered them from (whichever applies)?
Hello thank you for watching. I started doing them but never finished but I will get to it.. thank you
I had that exact bagging system on a 1K plus Craftsman mower. Total crap blows out, clogs with grass, and falls off. Thanks for the review, especially good to know gas leaks. I'm going to try to find a Toro now.
Hello you are welcome hope you enjoy the Toro I definitely enjoy using mine.
@@ExtremDIY After weeks of watching reviews and carefully researching looking to get an electric mower I finally decided. I didn't want a paperweight or something I would have sent back to China to repair while needing to then pay someone else or buy another mower. Then I was really leaning toward Honda, but you made me make up my mind to go with the Toro. I am trying to avoid always fixing stuff! Honda is having a lot of problems with the Auto Choke, etc. Anyone who said this Auto stow thing isn't cool is too spoiled...lol I just bought this but from Home Depot for the 3 yr manufacturers warranty. www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/lawn-mowers/push-mowers/7398886 You and this other very funny guy did a side by side and he bought parts for the HONDA when he bought the mower and it acted up in weeks. Thanks again.
Thank you for the review I have been using Honda but want to store upright and they dont have that option.
I changed from Honda to Toro for that reason
i think you hit the nail on the head.. hopefully you got it sold already..Honda were Normally very reliable however as of 2021 they have fallen off i was in the market for a new mower and the frequency of complaints of drive belt issues and the drive engagement cable popping out of the house i just stay away went with a Toro super recycler and it's really smooth even more so than the regular recycler only thing i would recommend is adjusting the personal pace drive cable if u want it more snappy and less effort it felt like doing burn outs in the lawn after adjusting it.. For 2022 i haven't heard any fixes with the Honda mowers only that Honda is getting out of the walk behind mower business as of 2023 ..
Hello I like my Toro I removed the personal pace and its manual now and love it. For some reason mine doesnt climb well. This is my second one and does the same thing. I have adjusted the cable many times but still same issue on the climb only. Now its more snappy and love it. The climbing improved with the manual setup but still needs a bit more. I can adjust cable only so far because it gets to a point that wont let you reverse. I am good now and even tried adjusting the idle lever and it revs higher but still wont climb like the 163cc one that I had. I didnt buy the new 163cc because smart Toro didnt make it to smartstow and I love that option. I was hopping they would improve the mower for 2023 and nope still dont have the single height adjustment or labels on the wheels for height. I love the mulch lever for me is a must I dont think paying $600 for a mower and have to install a much plug is my thing. Maybe for 2024 they will fix these issues. I am very hesitant to go with electric mower. I have battery blower and do like it.
Thank you its a hard decision
*FYI My toro 22" is 24 years old and starts first time every time even after winter storage*
They dont make them like they used to. Nice
Nice idea
3 suggestions: 1) mulch instead of bag, it helps your lawn. 2) don’t hang your mower as it doesn’t take up that much room, 3) save money and buy a lawnmower with a Honda motor but not a Honda mower.
I own a lawnmower with a Honda motor but it’s not a Honda and I love it as it starts on 1 pull of the cord and it cuts beautiful.
When I switch between bagging & mulching, I don’t have to mess with a lever to switch modes & I don’t have issues with the bagging section.
I currently have the new Toro that has the 150cc motor thats a bit underpower. I also removed the personal pace which I dont like. I like the Hondas trigger better so I was about to adapt it to the Toro but ended up getting the simple hand trigger from Toro and works ok. I do mulch 80% of the yard but when I cut under the trees I do like to pickup the dried up leaves. I do like the Honda engine but I havent found any other mower to buy that I like. I was thinking about a battery one but I am not convinced yet. Wish mower do you have?
@@southfloridamtb8425 I have an older Craftsman with a Honda motor (yeah, it’s a Chinese clone bit it has served me well over the years) push mower with a pull cord start that starts on the first pull.
Also, I like the fact that I don’t have to move a lever to switch between mulching & bagging; I don’t know why Honda does that (?).
Hello DIY Shop , Thanks for your review, So as of today what is your opinion on the Toro are you still happy with the unit? Thanks Again
Hello I am love with the Toro. I feels solid and cuts great for me. I have about 11,000 sq ft lot and no issues. Starts up on first pull and great on gas. I love the bag setup which was one of the things I didnt like about the Honda. So far I am in love with it and I can stand it up against the wall. Thank you
Appreciate the truth here, I get fed up with bull from Honda and others... Like it ain’t hard to sort design for catcher, handle and oil and petrol fittings, not hard to change designs at all ???? Come on Honda get it RIGHT and I’ll buy urr damned products !
I like both companies but that model Toro is not sold any longer but the Honda is current. Tough decision
The Honda it advertised that you sit it up right to stowaway, the toro is!! I agree with you on the vacuum, it doesn’t pick up very well! You have to go over the same areas like 3 times to clean up. I bought the toro first and took it back and got the Honda instead, I’m not sure it was good decision 🙁
I would love to make one mower out of both of them to combine the great features of both but cant. I enjoy the Toro so far and having the option of the stowaway is great for me. Thank you
I've had a Honda and a Toro and I just love the personal pace on the Toro to the point that it makes it hard to consider ever switching. I agree on the design to raise and lower the deck, it's very aggravating as I cut the backyard at a different height than the front. A lever that changed the height on all the wheels would be a welcomed addition on these machines.
Yes that lever and labels will be a game changer for Toro. I dont understand why they are being so hard headed about that. They would sell so many more units and a couple of other updates but mainly that lever. I actually removed the personal pace and installed the lever on the cheap model and I like it better. I purchased the new one with the Vortex system and regret selling the model on this video because its better than the new one so if you have it dont sell it. I got the one with the 150cc motor since the one with the 163cc motor doesnt come with the smartstow. Here is Toro messing it up again they are the same model but one has the smartstow and the 163cc doesnt. My issue the new one doesnt have enough power to climb the back yard that has a slope. I returned it thinking it was one bad but the other one does the same so I have to constantly push it. By installing their regular handle it works better now it actually pull me instead of pushing it. I spent some time adjusting the clutch but didnt make a different. I look every week to see is someone is selling this model so I can buy it again. Take care of it and enjoy it I miss mine. Thanks
@@ExtremDIY I’m glad you mentioned that you wish you had your old one. I’ve thought about upgrading mine to something newer, but now you have me thinking twice. Currently have a 22” Recycler Smart Stow Model #20340 w/ the B&S 190 engine. I may have picked it up back in 2014-15 new at a HD.
Dont sell that machine is awesome, plenty of power and it bags excellent mine gets stuck sometimes. If you decide to get a newer one dont sell it till you are 100% sure. You always have 30 days to return it.
The link for the Toro at home depot says that it comes with a 150cc 6.25 torque engine which makes no sense. Why wouldn't it have the the bigger 163cc 7.25 torque engine that some of the cheaper models with stow and go come with? I wonder if the website is wrong?
Hello I just purched the new one which is the bigger engine but they have the 150cc also which is that link. The one I have there is the 163cc which is plenty of power for me. I will be reviewing the new one hopefully next week when I get it. the link I had put was for the older model looks like they must had changed it over to the newer one. the model of the 163cc engine is Toro 61462 with the vortex technology. Let me see if I can correct the link to the older version. Thank you
When I'm done mulching with my Toro recycler, the flip up door chute is packed with clippings.
Hello I get that too on mine. Looks like the cover has some small holes that grass goes through and collects on the flap. I usually use the blower and goes all over the place.
@@ExtremDIY I hold the flap open while using the leaf blower to clear it out. Debris flying everywhere. I’ll have to find something to prop it open.
Yes, 2:10 the dust! I had to wear mask while mowing. Its quite annoying, brand new expensive machine and the bag issue. It got delivered yesterday and today I used it, tomorrow = return it? lol I really like the smart control.
I had 2 Hondas and they cut great and love the control. I do think if they make some changes it would be an awesome mower but I would get frustrated also when cutting with the bagging and dust. I purchased the new Toro and also has some things that need to be changed. I did sell the one on this video and totally regret doing so. I am looking to buy one when I can find it but are discontinued. I dont like the personalpase you still need to push it a bit. I cant understand why these companies make a product that is not an improvement. I know people have many issues with the Honda motor. The quest to find the perfect mower is still a challenge. Let me know what you purchase and how you like it. thanks
@@ExtremDIY will do! : )
I own the Honda mower and I've also used the Toro Recycler 22". I've noticed when bagging with the Toro mower, a lot of the grass still comes out from underneath. My Honda mower gets everything in the bag. The Toro Recycler is designed to be stored standing up, the Honda needs to always lay flat. That leak is your fault.
Also, my Honda mower does not shoot any gas outside the bag. Perhaps you got a faulty one. Not sure. In short, Honda all the way!
I like both machines but the honda doesnt stand up and it was confirmed with Honda techs. I will leak gas and oil if you stand it up and its not the clippings that get in your face is the dust when cutting in the dry season. It does cut awesome and the mulch is excellent I just wanted to stand it up in a corner of the garage. Still a great unit and it was only due to the standing that I sold it not the cut quality. Thanks
Yes the Honda isn’t designed to be stood up . I buy Honda for the motor . My current mower iHRX is 25 years old . I just bought 2 HRX217 HYAs new still in the box just to have because they aren’t going to make them anymore
Hello I do love the cut and mulch lever on the Honda but the new engine has some issues and it vibrates a bit. To me the best drive setup is the Honda. I have been considering buying it again and adding a 163cc briggs engine so I can store it on the wall. I have the Toro super recycler and the cut quality is a bit better than the Honda but not too noticeable difference.
@@ExtremDIY does Kawasaki or Subaru offer a option that would work as I think they may be more reliable , and last longer than a Briggs
@@marklloyd4153 I think they also have a 190cc motor but I have never had any issues with the Briggs. The 163cc is pretty strong for what I need. We had one in the mountain bike trail and we beat it up and never broke.
maybe it wasnt made to hang on the wall. the honda will outlast that toro i know had a toro the honda ran circles around it .
Hello it was not made for the wall I was told by Honda after I noticed leaking. Too bad it looks great on the wall, maybe their next model will.
Good review, but you didn't mention the Honda has a twin blade design.
Hello thank you I think you are correct I did forget to mention it. The Honda cuts fantastic I wish they would make them for better storage.
I just use and air wand on mine when I’m done mowing. I don’t give a damn about dust and grass being in places. Blows right off in 10 seconds. No big deal. And I don’t understand the dust you’re getting in your face. Mine has no issue. I’m not going to re-engineer a great push mower.
I do use my blower on the machine when done to clean it. Most machines need to be cleaned after use. In dry season when I bag all the dust goes on your face. If you dont have the bag on the machine you wont have that issue. This occurs in areas where there are a lot of dirt or dry leaves. When cutting areas where the grass is nice and green there is no issue with the dust. Specially under trees were the grass doesnt grow I would have the issue not in areas where the grass was nice and green. Like I mentioned I do like the machine but I wanted to store it vertical so decided on the Toro.
I’ve never once thought I needed to stand my mower up against a wall.
I love the space saving and looks good. Also easy to clean under or service the blade.
It's a great space saving design.
If you want to stand your mower on a wall. maybe an electric mower might suit you better. Gas mowers weren't deigned for that storage!
Hello, there gas mowers that do have that option like the Toro which I currently have. I am looking into possible getting an EGO lawn mower to try out. I have a large yard and not sure if the battery will work for me but will try it out. Thank you
The Honda leaks gas cause it’s not made to be stored upright. It’s not advertised as a stow able mower.
Hello I wish they would make it to be stored upright. Thanks
@@ExtremDIY they won’t cause Honda quite making outdoor power equipment
@@falgianibrandon I heard that from someone its a shame. We had a Honda 4 stroke weed eater and it was awesome.
Is the toro recycler considered to be commercial grade?
Hello I believe this model if for the homeowner use not the commercial grade ones. They have the commercial ones on their website. I almost purchased one and it was solid but I wasnt sure if I was going to like the Toro since I had been using Honda for so long and the price was too much for me. It will take a beating but I am little concerned about the drive system. Mine makes a little noise but I did purchase pre owned. I love the motor it starts right up with no issues. I also have one that I use on the mountain bike trails and that one we abuse it like hell and its still runs like a champ. We cut super high grass with rocks and pretty rough surfaces and no complaints yet. I believe the commercial ones are heavier also with cast aluminum deck. I was going to get the super recycler but was more money and didnt like the all black so I went with this one and love it. Also its light enough that I can pick it up and put in the back of my suv or in the trails we also have a Toro Utility ATV and can easily pick it up on my own. The deck is rusting a bit thats the only beef I have with it but it was like that when I got it. I think this one runs like $399 at Homedepot I have the link above. Might want to take a ride to your local Toro dealer to check them out. I fell in love with the commercial models but was too expensive for home use. Hope this helped. thank you
@@ExtremDIY thank you for taking the time to reply!!
Make it an even comparison. For the price put a Toro super recycler against it. Honda cut is horrible compared to the super recycler. Bagger? Who bags now days? Super recycler leaves your lawn looking fantastic with no clippings.
I agree. I kept the Toro and I have not looked back since. Super happy with the Super Recycler, I do use the bag for areas under my olive tree with lots of leaves but the rest I mulch it or areas that have some weeds I bag those also. Thank you
The double blade system in my Honda puts the Toro recycler to shame. I had both. Mulch or bag, Honda does it better. No comparison.
How many people hang a lawnmower on wall? Just asking?
Hello at the time I wanted the space like some of the new ones now. I like the Honda but ended up getting the Toro that stands up so I can store it against the wall. At the time it seemed like a good idea.
@@ExtremDIY seems like the honda would not be leaking
The Honda bogs down in high grass ,I herd one guy say the toro is not very good at bagging what your opinion ,jimmy australia
Hello the Honda performs good on high grass with the twin blade but if grass is too too high it can suffer a little since it doesnt have a side shoot. Honda has a rear shoot which I am not a fan of. I never had an issue with the Honda and I owned 3 different ones. I just wanted a mower that can be stored against the wall so I went with the Toro. Honda cuts a little better to my opinion and bags with no problem. Its got power but I think the Toro has a little more as long as you get the Briggs 163 cc or higher. This Toro on the video bags perfect and has the side shoot so when you have high grass it shoots out the side and works awesome. We have a Toro just like this one in our mountain bike trail shop and we use it to cut super high grass and it works great. Now the new Toro system with the new rear shoot and black bag dont work the same in my opinion. I have the newer Toro with the 150 cc motor and it doesnt bag as good it gets stuck sometimes not sure if its the lower power or the new design of the deck. I have a video posted if you want to see it. The reason I didnt buy the Toro with the 163cc motor it doesnt come with the smartstow setup like the 150cc motor which makes no sense to me. If you need power and will be cutting a large lot with higher than normal grass maybe the Toro TimeMaster can work but its $1500 with twin blades. Toro has the super recycler with more power also but more money. Hope this helps.
I have a toro recycler and I personally hate it I have had it for 3 or so years and there is no easy way to change the oil I find if it had a 21 inch deck instead of 22 it would be slightly better because the engine will bog down less, I find it is an extremly underpowered machine everytime I use it it stalls out at least once when I mow my lawn (I mow once a week) I am never going to buy another toro
Hello which engine do you have? In my home its never even slowed down or turned off on me. I have a large lot with some incline. This one has the Brigs motor on it with plenty of power. maybe the one you have is either defective or has a different motor on it. I also have one in the mountain bike trails that we maintain and we abuse the crap out of and it does sometimes turn off but its like 2 feet of grass or it picks up a rope or debris. Changing the oil is super easy just warm it up and take the dip stick out and tilt it into a drain pan. Love to Toro so far but I do miss the drive train on the Honda but that is it. Hope you find the one you like. I do enjoy the mowing and it makes the cutting experience better when you love your equipment. Thank you
Agree. The Toro I used was the 140cc and it was terribly underpowered. It stalls out like crazy. I had to mow the grass at a higher height, then lower it on the 2nd pass. My Honda mower is a GCV170 and it destroys everything in its path. Love it.
my Toro has the large engine and its a beast never even flinched. We also have one with same engine I think its the 170cc Briggs at the mountain bike park we use to cut and its very strong when we cut wet and very high weeds from time to time. I do miss the finger push lever on the Honda.
I like toro but not Briggs and Stratton with plastic carburetors. If Briggs carburetors were still metal, it would be acceptable. I have a toro with a Kohler engine and the honda mower
I have seen some Honda owners complain about issues with carburetors also. So far I have had no issues with the carbs on the Toro. I also use ethanol free gas and never have I had any issues with carbs on any of my lawn equipment. Thanks
I’m really torn between these two mowers. I’m not sure if I need the stand-up feature. Great review.
Buy American your American not a Japanese 🤨
The Honda is manufactured in the U.S.
@@The1Karking 😂😂. You know u have made in China sitting in your garage. Plus Toro uses Honda motor also.
@@AJ-ds9xq brigg and Stratton not Honda
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I bought a Honda HRR 5 years ago and ended up giving it away. Worst piece of crap I ever owned. Had a defective carburetor right out of the box. The Honda power products dealer put a new one on it under warranty, and that one didn’t work either. Three times a charm.
A year later, the self propelled transmission failed. The next season the axle bushings seized. (Honda uses a steel axle, that runs thru a steel bushing, that passes thru a steel holder.) Geez... what could go wrong?!?! Toro uses sealed ball bearings.
Lastly... I had to cut my lawn twice with the Honda as it left stray grass blades sticking up with one pass (even with new or freshly sharpened blades).
Most of my neighbors have Toro Personal Pace mowers (two are 20 years old) and they never have problems.
I dumped my Honda for a Toro and and never looked back.
That is great to hear. I still have 3 Toro mowers in my garage and love them all. Looking to possibly upgrade the gas one to the new 163cc Recycler Max with the 5 year warranty and the handle suspension like the super recycler. The gas one I have has the 150cc motor and sometimes struggles. I have also the 60v super and 60v recycler. I enjoy all of them. I did remove the personal pace out of the gas one and kind of like it better but lacks power to move when cutting on inclines I end up pushing it. Thanks
all the complaints on the honda I do experience i fell like i will return it the dust is horrible all over me and the lawn mower i love the engine but too inconvenient for the negative
Hello yes engine is great but the dust drove me crazy. I did glue a piece of foam across the top of the cover and helped a lot plus like I mentioned in the video I used Flex seal from Homedepot and sprayed some on the inner part of the bag but only the top section and also helped slow down the dust. I had made a video about it but never put it together and now I cant find it. It did help overall with the cutting in the dry season. I was told also to cut early in the morning the day after the sprinklers turn on and would help with the dust issue. Hope this helps. Thank you
Guaranteed to start toro buy toro
I got the new one recently and yes it starts every time on the first pull.
Toro is the best
Pretty sure you have a bad one. I tilt mine over on the oil fill side. No leaks. Bad review dude
Hello I called Honda and they confirmed it will leak oil and gas. They said it was not designed for the vertical storage. Mine started leaking like the second day it was on the wall. I would had loved to keep the Honda but both the gas and the oil leaked. I then added a seal to the idle lever and still would leak in about 3 days. Thats when I called them and they said no no to the wall idea. So I kept the Toro but its not a bad machine despite many reviews with idle and carburetor issues. I had 3 Hondas and never had an issue with the machine or cut quality but the bagging section was a common issue many have. I just wanted to store it vertical that's all.
Toro looks a lot nicer lol the honda is ok but way over priced my relation got a comercial Honda mower heavy as hell and honestly doesn't cut any better then any other mower he is a Honda fan so I just go with it 😅😅
Been using my Toro super recycler 60V I recently got for a review and wow does it cut smooth. Still have the gas Toro too just in case.
So you're upset that the Honda which wasn't meant to be stood up leaks gas and oil when you stand it up? Lol
Hi not really upset I was trying to make some space and its not design for that so I sold it and kept the Toro simple as that. I had 3 Honda lawn mowers and never needed to stand it up but now I thought it would be good to have a clean look on the wall but didnt work out. Some people like the space saving idea why not. They just lost a customer for now maybe once they make some improvements I will purchase again but for now the Toro is killing it, super happy with it..
The Toro is the cheaper option, but it still will serve you well
I am having fun with the Toro.. love it. thank you
Why you buy honda mower
Hello I sold the Honda and kept the Toro which I like very much.
honda mowers sucks
Great review I do know what you mean almost like combining them together to make the perfect lawn mower.