Rhaenys Targaryen accusing Rhaenyra of killing her son Laenor Velaryon | House of the dragon S1E8
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Rhaenys Targaryen accusing Rhaenyra of killing her son Laenor Velaryon | House of the dragon S1E8 @gameofthrones
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I just like the difference in Rhaenys's attitude when Rhaena is with her, she loves so much her granddaughter, and when she is alone with Rhaenyra, where she is super cold and chooses very well the words to say
Targaryen ladies
Baela and Rhaena are all she has left of her children. She loves them.
Well it makes sense. Her granddaughters are all she has left of her children (though she is unaware Laenor faked his death). On the other hand, she is cold with Rhaenyra because she believes Rhaenyra orchestrated the "death" of Laenor in order to marry Daemon
Facts
I wish she’d just tell her “we let him go be gay somewhere bc he wasn’t happy” it would ease her suffering and grief
They can't tell anyone Laenor is alive or else Rhaenerya and Daemon's marriage isn't legal and their children together (Ageon III and Viserys II) are illegitimate.
@@xwinwinwinx I feel like you could trust his mother/her new hand of the queen with that info
"let him go be gay somewhere" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@stephengeist344 If he didn't trust her, how could Rhaenyra.
@@vangu2918 If Laenor would have told her, he would have had to tell her BEFORE which is way harder to accept than when the deed is already done.
Asking for forgiveness is easier than asking for permission.
Which would haved to be done by Rhaenyra.
Rhaenyra did care for Laneor they developed a friendship she would never kill him
Yes, and she didn't
I know that he escaped
But Rhaenys didn't know this
She believes that Rhaenyra and Daemon slaughtered her son
In the books, I think Laenor died under suspicious circumstances and there were rumours that Rhaenyra had him killed. Rhaenyra's different in the books so maybe they wanted to show a bit of that here.
@@kazzityangel Like I said, Rhaenyra was much colder and more like Daemon in the books but that's just what I've picked up from many comments of book readers of ASOIAF from CZcams. I have not actually read the books.
Saying that she will have to stand alone after the Hightowers have forced Rhaenerya to her knees--good grief, Rhaenys can throw the shade!
Yeah, and then she declares war on the Greens, who gave her a good offer and didn't do anything to her, but sides with the woman who she thinks killed her son and who whored arond and didn't give her house a legitimate heir. The characterization of Rhaenys is terribly inconsistent and dumb.
@@portishphonic She sides with the blacks because her granddaughters are betrothed to Luke and Jace.
@@konradcurze8942 yes, I know, which is dumb, again. She bethrothed her true born grandaughters to the bastards Rhaenyra spawned, Rhaenyra who she thinks killed her son, so she could bang and marry the man who was married to Rhaenys' daughter. Makes no sense at all. Rhaenys has all the reasons in the world to side with the greens and against the blacks.
@@konradcurze8942 Yes. Aegon is already wed to Helaena, so there's no chance to marry Baela to him. Also, Lucerys was sworn as Driftmark's heir. Rhaenys doesn't want to lose House Velaryon's inheritance to Rhaenyra's bastard, she wants it to pass down to her bloodline and her children's. In order for that to happen, Rhaena has to marry Lucerys. Having one of her granddaughters as Queen and another as the Lady of the Waves and Driftmark is better than Alicent's promise. Rhaenyra also has more dragons, and Rhaenys knows that.
@@portishphonic My guy, Viserys declared them to be Driftmarks heir. She only betrothes them AFTER that.
And dont give me that bs that she should've sided with Vaemond. She knew the political tides turned dramatically to Rhaenyra's favor after Viserys came in. And with Rhaenyra still being queen, Jace would be king and Luce would be lord of the tides. Theres no contesting that as these are the kings words. So she might aswell make her Granddaughter as a future queen. And with Luce being Lord of the tides, she might aswell marry her other granddaughter to him to ensure that Driftmark in the future would be ruled by actual Valeryons.
Yes she believes that Rhaenyra killed Laenor. But until she sees hard proof that she did kill Laenor, these are just suspicions. And not to mention, she'd rather have her daughters have a happy future than feed her desires.
And EVEN if she didnt betrothe them, she'd still be an enemy after the stunt she pulled.
I love the homage of the girls names.. Baela = Baelon (feminine version of Daemon's dad) & Rhaena = Rhaenys/Laena
Rhaena was also Aenys I's daughter's name
@@gennaronarducci1333and she was aegon the conqueror's favourite grandchild due to 🥁 🥁 🥁 the fact that she was named after rhaenYS his favorite wife who he lost in dorne, so rhaena the daughter of laena is more than likely also named after her own mother rhaenYS II
Every time I see Rhaenys her blank expressions always remind me of the Blackfish from GoT😂
Her mother was a Baratheon.
@@Treize132ours is the fury 🦌😤
@@Treize132the blackfish was a Tully?
Brilliant scene! Any scene with Rhaenys just captivates me!
Same, I cannot wait to see her fight with Aegon and Aemond. She’s a damn G!!
Eve Best is a scene stealer. Can’t take my eyes off her!! 🔥🔥
She reminds me of Olenna.
@@lennertcornette with a little bit of Tywin thrown in--remember him saying that the reason he distrusted Cersei was that she wasn't as smart as she thought? Rhaenys is just as cutting in letting Rhaenyra know, "You aren't as tough OR as smart as you think"
And I just love her lines, it demonstrates how wise she is
Rhaenys is so elegant.
They were having a princess off. Mothers slaying.
That term princess off. 😂👍
The funny part of all this is she didn't need Rhaenys's approval to make the match, she needed Daemon's. She was bargaining with an even weaker hand than she realized.
Actually, Rhaenys’ ascent did matter. She was acting Lady of Driftmark and both Rhaena and Baella were her wards. It would ultimately go to Daemon on final say, but Rhaenyra needed Rhaenys’ approval first.
Also, Rhaenyra doesn’t really get anything out of just marrying them without the consent of Rhaenys.
Baela was her Ward. Rhaena wasn't
@Thedemonhater Plus, there was definitely no protest from Daemon. With his daughter being married to her cousin Jacaerys, his dear wife's heir. Baela would be Queen, I don't know if he'd care much about it but it is quite marvelous.
That’s not really the point though. The point is to get Rhaenys on her side. She could betrothed Baela to Jace easily but that doesn’t matter. What matters is having Rhaenys recognise Rhaenyras three bastards as her own grandchildren.
I think Rhaenys is on Rhaenyra's side for the girls now, they are under Daemon's custody, he is their father, therefore the only who make their life choices, and he is on the Team Black so...
I know this was brought to Rhaenys to get her support, but this betrothal didn’t need her permission. Baela and Rhaena are Daemon’s daughters.
A show of good faith. Daemon and Rhaenyra understand that Rhaenys dislikes them, this ensures that House Velaryon continues to back them.
hope Baela and Rhaena get more screen time in S2.
and Daeron😂who for some reason was not mentioned at all, except by the intro.
They'll, baela is a full on badass, a female Daemon, complete wild and savage .. plus 4 of Daemon's children are the only ones who survive the dance rest all of the blacks die and greens line is completely finished with zero survivors
@daemontargaryen6757I thought it was Baela that married a Higtower?
@@WiccanRileyBaela marry Alyn Velaryon and Rhaena marries Garmund Hightower.
Rhaena is the supposed last dragon rider until Daenerys.
The acting in this show was🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Corlys would have jumped at that offer. Imagine a velaryon royal family, in name and in blood…. Targaryen Dynasty yes but that’s about it
True. But Rhaenys did not support Rhaenyra because of that. She did it for her and her granddaughters' survival. If Vaemond were to inherit Driftmark, he would cast them aside and their fate would be unknown.
If Luke lost his claim to Driftmark, the realm would see it as an affirmation of his illegitimacy which would cause Rhaenyra to lose the support of the lords of the realm. The Greens might end up inheriting the Iron throne and since the Hightowers did not have a good relationship with the Velaryons, it could put Rhaenys and her granddaughters' lives in danger.
I don't know, Corlys also believed they plotted to have his son killed as well. House Velaryon have been screwed over by the Targaryens way too many times to trust them like that again.
@@s_shaleh the only thing that put her granddaughters lives in danger was marrying them to known bastards and tying their fate to Rhaenyra's.
@@s_shalehbefore Aegon's coronation, Alicent spoke to Rhaenys and tried to get her on the green side.
@@andyrobin7196well the main concern was house strong proclaiming the throne given the relation to the children, however since the father and grandfather are both gone, there really isn’t much of a threat, especially if their children carry both Targaryen blood and Velarion.
Honestly, I think it might've been safe to tell Rhaenys the truth. She'd already proven herself trustworthy. Knowing the truth about what happened likely would've strengthened her resolve and loyalty even more.
Looking back on Rhaenys' scenes in these episodes makes me think. Obviously she was quite depressed over surviving her children and despite the Faith's stance on looking upon the dead. The interesting thing is this scene with her looking upon the God's wood that is sacred of the Old God's religion. Despite the subtlety, I do appreciate that some time could be spent on the character's wrestling and showing their religious beliefs.
I agree
In the great council of 101 the houses that were staunch for her and her children were from the north worshipers of the old gods
No god but Allah
Islam way for peace and real monotheist
Search about the truth with honest heart.
My questions is what happened to Laenors dragon normally dragons follow there rider so if his dragon went missing too then rhanenys might suspect he is alive regardless why the hell did rhaynera not tell her the simple truth as his mother she deserves to know her son is not dead
In the book it says that seasmoke stayed on driftmark but wouldn't take another rider for 10 years after his "death" which means laenor actually died around 10 years after if the book is accurate
@@austinn5766 Laenor died in 120. Dance started in 129-130. So the timeline fits.
The show diverts from the book where he actually dies.
@@LaLaAnn0.0 The book is an account from maesters based on hearsay. The world believed that Laenor died, so it only makes sense that the book would reflect that. The show is showing us what actually happened, which was that Laenor faked his own death and fled.
She likely didn’t tell Rhaenys because Rhaenys could use that information to blackmail Rhaenyra. She also might try to find Laenor, which I doubt he wanted.
Rhaenys is so powerful if both rhaenyra and Alicent begged for her support
Yesss I love me some Rhaenys.💚
It's a reminder to the audience that all of this comes back to the assumption inheritance is best based on gender than character. Rhaenys has the bearing and strength of a queen. Viserys was not a terrible man, but he was a weak one and not truly a ruler at heart.
In this scene Rhasenyra says that Jace and Baela's sons will be heirs, not their children, just their sons. She sees herself as the exception to the rule and plans on enforcing the patriarchy for everyone else. She doesnt want another woman on the throne after her and her son.
The Targaryen ambition. That was what brought down that house
I don't think so thats the case .. it's just the wordings .. but u r right if we follow the words thats what it means
@@tanxeelhanif It literally is the case. Rhaenyra is not some feminist like people like to see her as. She canonically only ever supports sons inheriting over daighters, she sees herself as the one exception.
@@jackg.1683Jace is the first born, Rhaenyra is the first born of Viserys, Rhaenys was the daughter one Jaeharys children while Viserys was the son a grandchild… succession is a matter of who was born first and that’s what she is following. How can you be that dense?
@@jackg.1683 I don’t think that’s a fair statement. Rhaenyra was only queen for half a year. Over the years and many decades she would have time to review the rule of male primogeniture.
From what we saw she never took any efforts to improve women’s rights to rule, but she was busy with her own war. I’d argue we may have seen her help first born daughters if she continued to live. But we will never know.
I don't think she sided with her because of the offer. Her cousin's efforts to protect his daughter with all his might changed her position. Whether she hated her or not, she decided to respect her cousin's wish to help her become queen
I think she never saw his cousin as a compitition. As she knew he never wanted the throne in the first place. He was indirectly forced to have it. While choosing his successor he was not bias towards her daughter. He wanted throne should go to someone who really wants it but should also to wise so he chose his daughter over his brother.
Imagine being Rhaenys and that your daughter-in-law wants to place someone who is not your grandson as your husband's heir.
Rhaneyra and Laenor were very unfair to her, they never told her anything.
Rhanyra only thought of her when there was no other option and proposed to marry her sons to her granddaughters.
For a second I wanted her to ally herself with Alicent ;(
She was in a situation where everyone was doing wrong... She had to choose on who is less corrupt and will understand her to some degree
@@HouseOfBlackTargaryen Yes, of course.
But what if Baela had a bastard who was not Jace's son?
Would Rhaenyra accept him as heir to the throne?
Since he is not of her blood.
No doubt she would be upset.
If only she had put herself in Rhaenys' shoes and not only thought of herself and played the victim.
If I were Rhaenys and Corlys, I would have waited on the sidelines and picked off whoever was left. Literally, nothing Rhaenyra or Daemon did warranted the loyalty of Corlys and Rhaenys.
But through backing Rhaenyra, they would have the “Velareon” name in history. If Rhaenys and Corlys sat back and let the Greens destroy all of Rhaenyra’s kids, the Velareon line as Lord of the Tides ends. Cause the Greens would need to kıll Rhaenyra, Daemon and all their children: Jace, Luce, Joff, Aegon, Visarys, Baela and Rhaena.
@@maygirl1595 Rhaenyra’s first three kids are irrelevant to Driftmark. That’s why Corlys legitimized his two illegitimate sons. Plus, Rhaena and Baela could have stayed with Rhaenys and Corlys since Daemon didn’t seem to care for them. The Velaryon name would live on.
@@khfan4life365 Corlys legitimized his barstard sons because all of her Velaryon kids are dead, in the books that is. Baela and Rhaena has Targaryen surname, they're more Targaryen than Velaryon anyway (Laena's 1/4 Targaryen anyway)
And yet you forgot that it was not Rhaenyra's fault that they couldn't have a trueborn Velaryon child. Rhaenyra said it herself that she had wanted a legitimate child with Laenor, if only to quell the rumours that her other children were bastards and even that Laenor could not deliver on. You're so bent on hating Rhaenyra for something she literally had no control over. Her arranged marriage with Laenor was one that benefited both houses and something that Corlys had coveted ever since Rhaenyra's mother passed away. Remember Corlys wanted Viserys to wed a child Laena. And Corlys was no fool either. He knew the boys weren't of his blood but he didn't care. So long as they carried the Velaryon name, he was willing to play along.
@@s_shaleh It seemed Rhaenyra really enjoyed the deception of marrying Laenor but giving birth to Harwin Strong's children, it was a big middle finger to everyone who insisted she must marry out of duty and follow the rules. It was a big "you can't tell me what to do" gesture.
If she truly wanted to have kids with Laenor then she would have at least one kid with Laenor over the years. It's not as if being gay renders a man infertile, Laenor could have done the deed with his partner and just given Rhaenyra the material she needed for pregnancy.
To me, it seemed they both enjoyed their sham marriage and enjoyed how Viserys never allowed anyone to bring it into question. I don't think they ever put significant effort into having trueborn children.
One thing I wasn't too clear about: did Daemon and Rhaenerya plan / allow Laenor to fake his death, or did he concoct that plan with his lover at the last moment?
All 4 pre-planned it
@@HouseOfBlackTargaryen oh thanks. 👍
Daemon kills the dude they threw in the fire
@@HouseOfBlackTargaryen How do you know that? They haven't showed it in the show did they?
@@varshaemmady174 They did.
I laughed so hard during the talk laenor had with rhaenyra. She made it seem like she gave him the world. You gave him nothing that he didn't already have. His mother is a Targaryen, his family is wealthy and well off. He has a dragon. All you gave him was worthless bastards and a space next to you on the throne that he never wanted. Rhaenyra is the most selfish, annoying character even over Cersei in my opinion.
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Rhaenys was just as pissed as her dragon here.
Does Corlys and Rhaenys have any idea that their son is gay? Rhaenyra has been Laenor’s “beard” for a long time and she should be given credit for that.
Yes they know it
They knew it before Laenor and Rhaenerya wed. Corlys said Laenor would grow out of it but Rhaenys knew that wasn't going to happen. I wonder if she thought she'd truly have heirs by Laenor. She should have talked with him about it. I swear, 95 percent of the plot would disappear if these people actually communicated in a respectful manner with one another
@@my_quiet_riotlaenor couldve just yknow just nutted it wouldnt even be difficult
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Laenor I loved him like a brother in law
Your son, Laenor, whatever happened there.
I still have a hard time believing, be it the books or the show, that Rhaenys and Corlys were on Rhaenyra’s side when it was suspected that she and Daemon killed Laenor.
"Her sons will be heir to the throne" so Rhaenyra understands the system that prefers a male heir but she wants to be the exception.
Man... still wild she slept with Harwin of all people 😅
Like, come on man. Of all the Dragonseeds she could've walked into in King's Landing, or lowborn Valyrians on Dragonstone, anyone with the blood of the dragon.
Nope, slept with a man with "
Everybody kept calling her trying to marry her children as desperate but I see it as her making peace. If the marriages that she proposed had happened everybody would have gotten what they wanted and peace would prevail but because she’s a woman who is especially loved by her father they kept denying it and blaming her when things get worse
The elegance and regality that Eve Best portrays is bar none. She demands respect and exudes power all without raising her voice or using commandeering body language. The poise is enthralling to watch.
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What always interested me, did Rhaenys and Corlys know that their son was gay? I mean did they understand, why he could be a husband to Rhaenyra and why they didn't have children, i mean his biological children
They knew. And they wanted to accept it, but politics put strain on everyone
Who’s here after episode 4 of season 2?
Rhaenyra wasn't lying about Laenor..
Similar music as “surrender”. Interesting.
Such a boss character
She was my favourite character
Love? I truly don't think you really know what love is Rhaenyra. But if there is one thing you love nad in fact crave it is power and that damn ugly chair.
I don't agree to you, she never looked for power. If she really wanted only to rule and use her powers she could have learnt how to fight in wars like Arya Stark. Arya was just opposite to Rhaenyra. Arya wanted to be powerful and never wanted to rule and Rhaenyra wanted to rule to keep the peace where she never have to show her powers.
Can anyone share the link of complete soundtrack of that scene
Why did Laenor never come back to visit his mother? 😢😢😢
She later says she knows the enbaming well and lenore saying he'd taken a lance through the shoulder she probably released its not he sons body. Cause she stays with the blacks
That's a lot of jumping to conclusions there. 'Laenor's body' was burnt to a crisp, there were no distinguishable features about the body, that was the only way they could make it convincing, so any recognisable scars would've been well and truly gone. Besides, Rhaenys said in this very scene she believed Rhaenyra had her son killed.
Didn’t she see the body after? A MOTHER knows her child
@@gezenews a mother has a connection to her kids that only they can understand. they feel when something is wrong or when their kids are in trouble. she can very well know
@@shadowpsykie does a baker know one burnt piece of toast from another?
@@Johnsmith69448 depends on the years a baker has been with the burnt toast.
Spoiler!!!!
I wish she told her before she died😢
Me too
House Valaryon is dead because of her
I think some characters will still be alive
Ones who can continue the line in their name I mean. Rhaenyra was so pathetic, just like her father. But Laenor should have tried harder too
House Velaryon continued
@@gennaronarducci1333but they were nowhere near the prestige they were before and during the dance.
House Velaryon does not die out but go off
The diversity Targaryens look ridiculous
I wonder is rhaenys still hates rhaeynra even when taking up with the blacks
Not sure about Love, but she indeed do respect her.
@@les4dieux600I think only because she wants Rhaenyra to crumble
I think she never hated her... She liked her cousin and they had great understanding...
@@HouseOfBlackTargaryentrue and they have similar names lol
@@HouseOfBlackTargaryen But she thinks Rhaenyra killed her only son.
Rhaenys was the ephipany of regal cvnt. love her.